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Whenever I click on to open up the 911 forum it takes a long time for it to first appear.

Usually nothing at all happens for 30-40 seconds or so (I haven't counted), then the front page suddenly opens.

If this is happening for others then it is surely sending away many would-be visitors to this site.

Any clue about what's going on Tony?
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Post by Pikey »

I definitely find opening up slow.

I have noticed a slump in traffic here however what do you expect when measures are instigated that divide the movement.

The decision to shut down the domain name www.nineeleven.co.uk and create two sites was imo a huge error of judgment for the UK 911 truth movement. Its put us back a couple of years and as a unified force imo we may never recover.

I see that Tony has retained the www.nineeleven.co.uk look under his domain name and that Ants site is a new look with not as many features as this site.. Was that part of the agreed arrangement? Personally I'd rather Ants have retained this site look and Tony set up the new look site.

The looks and faetures of this site imo remain the best however many 911 truthers I speak to remain unhappy with Tony and no longer visit here.

Can I suggest a way forward thats in the best interests of the UK 911 truth movement: Let Ants have this site under his present domain name and let Tony make up his own site.
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Pikey wrote: The decision to shut down the domain name www.nineeleven.co.uk and create two sites was imo a huge error of judgment for the UK 911 truth movement. Its put us back a couple of years and as unified force we may never recover.
I had no choice in the matter - it was the only way Ian Neal would hand the site over to me. IMO better to have two copies of the previous content rather than just the one than to have another protracted and energy-consuming battle with Anthony Beckett like the one with Andrew Johnson for control of this site.

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I too have noticed a slowing down in page delivery almost as soon as I took the site over and complained to the ISP UnitedHosting - they in turn denied anything was happening and tried to blame me - but Jim who originally designed the site tells me he's had no problems at all with page delivery. So we've reached something of an empasse.

One thing I love about you lot of users is you feel free to post about absolutely anything which could be construed as an attack on our freedom of speech however underrhand and technical such as an attack on our server.

Jim is sorting out a robots.txt file for the server as we speak I believe to bring the bandwidth down. He's been having a look at where most of the bandwidth demands are coming from and it seems its almost all the google bot. Maybe that could be a form of attack on us all by whacking up massively what I have to pay each month??

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Pikey wrote: The decision to shut down the domain name www.nineeleven.co.uk and create two sites was imo a huge error of judgment for the UK 911 truth movement.
As Tony says it was no error of judgement but rather imposed on us by the owner(s) of the original domain name.
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TonyGosling wrote: Ian Neal
You neeed say no more.
TonyGosling wrote: I too have noticed a slowing down in page delivery
sorting out a robots.txt file
Ian, it may not be Google's bot screwing with you. There are several new bots that come in as browsers, ignore Robots.txt and suck EVERYTHING dozens of time to get EVERYTHING you have. You even announced one of them!

You are not a technical guy I take it? I have been working on the Internet, since 1979 and have some knowledge that I would share. In particular a fine .htaccess and an updated robot.txt that will shed those abused gigabytes of bandwidth from the California, Lithuanian and Russian startups that are crushing many sites. The bigger the depth of the site the more they chew. They hit 10 times at least on every file for every visit and the DO NOT COME IN AS ROBOTS ALL THE TIME! So you have to know their IP to block them.

Anyway, go to TekTalk for one story and files and read about another one here

You can go to your account at Google and tell them to search your site less but that is counter productive as they may hit you all day but they only take a small bit each time and it has to be new bits. They don't come and eat your site each day.

By the way, pages load just fine from where I am (you can check your logs for that info)
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As Tony says it was no error of judgement but rather imposed on us by the owner(s) of the original domain name[/quote

Plse note:-

At the 2006 AGM in Blackpool it was agreed that we give Simon A some cash for the domain name as he had indicated that he wanted to offload at this stage.

This never happened. It would be interesting to know why not and why Simon allowed us to continue use of the www.nineeleven.co.uk domain name until June 2008.

Simons last blog on here was:-

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:

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Anyone want to make an approach to try and get the website publicised at the event?

And anyone fancy adding this (and other events) to the online calendar?
Could you clarify what happened Simon and put an end to the speculation. Please expalin to us why you pulled it or would not sell the domain name to Ants, Tony or the UK 911 truth movement elected committee.

Following the pulling of the domain name and Ian Neals wish to no longer pay the monthly ISP fees (understandable, imo this situation need not have arisen anyway; if a request for donations had been made imo the monies would have been forthcoming if the site was in the hands of those who the majority wished to be in control)

The best option imo was to create one new domain name linked to www.nineeleven acting as a portal. Sadly due to the division that had been created by this stage we are told this was not possible.

Division in the movement began imo when Tony Gosling and his associates gained control here.

IMO the UK 911 truth movement has been robbed of its best asset.
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Simon got badly burned financally because of his role in the Jimmy Walters tour of 2006.

He's Jewish and has since got pissed off with the way the forum's been going in an unspecified way.

We all met in an open meeting about the future of the forum at Belinda's in March this year. Keith Mottherson took notes but missed some of the discussions out.

Ian Neal is the most familiar with Simon A's grievances but the fact stands that he bought the domain in trust for the campaign and subsequently decided that the campaign as a whole wouldn't decide its future, he would.

That's a pretty accurate decription of the debacle as far as I know it.
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It's taking up to 45 seconds for a page to appear here.
Looks like some degree of skullduggery.
Is anyone else suffering this???
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Pages are loading like greased lighting for me Tony. You know where I am so judge from that.

Use this url to find your response times and to see if your site is available to all parts of the world. http://www.internetsupervision.com

Another way is to use tracert (trace route) to see how the traffic gets to you and compare to others. It also shows where there may be a sticky point of a down router that is slowing you down. Because of the bizarre way packets fly on the Internet it is usually something between you and the object site that screws it up.

As I get a very fast response at 9:00am Madrid time (so if you fixed it you know what time it is for my fast responses) if you are getting slow response at the same time it is somewhere between your provider and its getting the data.

Hope that helps. I can't help more because it is moving fine into south Europe and I can't get the data from your point of access.

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ps, you seem faster than 911researchers for sure and MUCH faster than the old days.
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Simon got badly burned financally because of his role in the Jimmy Walters tour of 2006.

He's Jewish and has since got pissed off with the way the forum's been going in an unspecified way.

We all met in an open meeting about the future of the forum at Belinda's in March this year. Keith Mottherson took notes but missed some of the discussions out.

Ian Neal is the most familiar with Simon A's grievances but the fact stands that he bought the domain in trust for the campaign and subsequently decided that the campaign as a whole wouldn't decide its future, he would.

That's a pretty accurate decription of the debacle as far as I know it.
Having first met Simon in Sedgefield in the spring of 2005 and last seen him in Manchester in September 2005 acting as gatekeeper at the hotel were Jimmy Walters and the speakers were staying I'd appreciate Simons own response here plse.

Yep Tony there is certainly a problem on the site concerning speed of access for me. :shock:
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Post by TonyGosling »

Looks like they have fixed this now.

Seems it was probably caused by a modification (mod) our creator Jim installed at about the same time - very roughly

"I would suggest that particular mod or hack needs some attention, maybe its not closing MySQL connections or poorly coded and could be improved."

Any further problems please let me know here or if a different problem elsewhere in About This Website
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Is the site slowing up again mods?
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ISP say nothing's wrong but....
I'm currently waiting around 9-10 seconds for the main front 'portal' page to load. Similar time for the search page... anyone else noticed this?
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Is any one else having this trouble?
Searches even longer.
Takes nearly a minute sometimes to post too.
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seems ok here, have you checked your ISP?

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ive not been having any probs. Slowness in the past for me has usuallybeen slow broadband speed or virus. Also deleting browsing history can help.---i think
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