Links with occultism - are they significant?

Pugwash · Post by **Pugwash** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:34 pm

Bill Bailey's recent DVD Tinselworm - he gives two handed devil's 'Horned' salute to audience

Worth noting, the "devil's 'Horned' salute" is used in sign language by the deaf community to indicate that bullsh*t is being expounded.

rodin · Post by **rodin** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:34 pm

How many deaf @ Bill Bailey concert?

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:56 pm

rodin wrote:How many deaf @ Bill Bailey concert?

Make you right, Rodin.

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:13 pm

andrewwatson wrote:I ask this because I myself knew nothing of the activities at Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones, or of the alleged connections between masonry and satanism, until now. Coupled with the fact that half the company logos in the US and UK seem to incorporate masonic imagery it is easy to see where the more bizarre allegations of 911 being a sacrifice to Moloch - or whichever devil showed his face in the smoke on WCT1. Dear me - it's all more than my addled brain can take in... Life is starting to read like a cheap and particularly lurid bestseller.

Here are all the answers you need up to an intermediate level:

A whole Magazine issue (Republic Magazine Issue 11) devoted to Secret Societies, including Illuminati:

32* Mason spills the beans; Skull & Bones; CFR;

http://www.republicmagazine.com/issue-1 ... f-history/

Just click the link, and scroll away!!

To the 'Revelation' aficionados (and I know that includes Tony!), my take is that was the psychotropic drugs which grew wild on the island in Greece John was living on at the time. Plenty of 'foreknowledge' (remember the 'Tree of Knowledge'?), mixed with plenty of untruth, a product indeed of the occult, but not of God. And for 'occult', read 'Devil'.

heart-earth · Post by **heart-earth** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:21 am

Pugwash wrote:
Bill Bailey's recent DVD Tinselworm - he gives two handed devil's 'Horned' salute to audience
Worth noting, the "devil's 'Horned' salute" is used in sign language by the deaf community to indicate that bullsh*t is being expounded.

Hey Pugwash
From this link I see the "devils horned salute" as the sigh for I love You
http://deafness.about.com/od/expression ... ouhand.htm

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:37 am

@ outsider:

To the 'Revelation' aficionados (and I know that includes Tony!), my take is that was the psychotropic drugs which grew wild on the island in Greece John was living on at the time. Plenty of 'foreknowledge' (remember the 'Tree of Knowledge'?), mixed with plenty of untruth, a product indeed of the occult, but not of God. And for 'occult', read 'Devil'.

Might I also remind folks that Masons claim 'second sight' (a claim I believe is true); I am not for one moment suggesting that John was a Mason; I am also not accusing John of deliberately misleading us; I believe most people who receive 'revelations' or see 'visions' genuinely believe they come from 'God'.

Thermate911 · Post by **Thermate911** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:36 pm

outsider wrote:I believe most people who receive 'revelations' or see 'visions' genuinely believe they come from 'God'.

Where is this 'God' if not within each of us? What we do with 'It' is our choice - good or evil...

Have you never heard 'celestial' music from within (sans drugs!)? Is this good or bad, if you have? Have you never had an 'intuition' that saved your life? Is this divine, good or bad intervention, if you have?

ad inf. ;-)

IMO, as long as we externalise our doubts, fears and perceived problems, 'It' will remain 'out there', beyond reach, ineffable, etc. etc. Soul energy is universal, become one with 'It' and there is nothing one cannot achieve - good or bad. It's up to each of us.

The Illuminati made their choice; it is now set in stone - very powerful but far from divine because they have arrived at the erroneous conclusion that what they have within is Theirs to control rather than Ours to share.

Ah, words...

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:42 pm

Thermate911 wrote:
outsider wrote:I believe most people who receive 'revelations' or see 'visions' genuinely believe they come from 'God'.
Where is this 'God' if not within each of us? What we do with 'It' is our choice - good or evil...

Have you never heard 'celestial' music from within (sans drugs!)? Is this good or bad, if you have? Have you never had an 'intuition' that saved your life? Is this divine, good or bad intervention, if you have?

ad inf.

IMO, as long as we externalise our doubts, fears and perceived problems, 'It' will remain 'out there', beyond reach, ineffable, etc. etc. Soul energy is universal, become one with 'It' and there is nothing one cannot achieve - good or bad. It's up to each of us.

The Illuminati made their choice; it is now set in stone - very powerful but far from divine because they have arrived at the erroneous conclusion that what they have within is Theirs to control rather than Ours to share.

Ah, words...

No problem, I'm a Christian, you are not. Our ideas of God differ. So be it; my post can be filtered through whatever filter readers have on board.

Post by **TonyGosling** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:32 pm

Interesting YouTube vid about something called Eastern Orthodox Christian witchcraft in Romania
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJpaAlk9VQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJpaAlk9VQ

rodin · Post by **rodin** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:47 pm

?Missing posts?

So where does this construction of the horned salute as I Love U for the deaf originate exactly? Enquiring minds want to know

PAULA · Post by **PAULA** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:20 pm

personally i think most occultism goes back to the sunworshipping cults of ancient egypt and babylon ..why anybody gets hooked on this ritualistic dross is beyond me

eogz · Post by **eogz** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:14 am

The horned salute as it is descibed in this thread, I'm not convinced that everyone who uses it knows what it means, i.e. Bill Bailey.

Certain trends come onto being through the mass media, surely the issue over using something like this is about intent rather than practice?

Frank Freedom · Post by **Frank Freedom** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:53 pm

Glastonbury- the pyramid stage with capstone highlighted, loads of worship going on there.

Frank Freedom · Post by **Frank Freedom** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:16 am

...and how many more times are they going to say "Shamanistic"?

Post by **TonyGosling** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:12 pm

The Brotherhood of Darkness
"An understanding of the forces which have shaped the 20th century is predicated not on facts to be learned but on secrets to be discovered."
What was the origin of the Council on Foreign Relations, and what is its relationship to Freemasonry, Theosophy, Socialism and Communism? This video is felt by many researchers to be the best single source of information on the movements working to create a New World Order.
[GVideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6923817439[/GVideo]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6923817439

Post by **TonyGosling** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:50 am

Not quite sure how relevent this is to this thread but an interesting 1970s documentary featuring occultist Eleanor Bone, Alex Sanders.
Demeter, Zeus. Handfasting.
Midnight Black Mass in Bedford, England.

Occult Experience
1970 documentary on occultism and witchcraft
[GVideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7709086047[/GVideo]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7709086047

Post by **TonyGosling** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:07 pm

And another similar one - quite an insight into this murky world
[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 6357169426[/GVideo]
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 6357169426

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:49 pm

Just pulled this up when I watched Tony's '175 still flying':

Obama's Secret Initiation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvPhSUZgzxo&feature=fvw

Do any of you know who the other 'guy' in the video is?

It's just occured to me that this doesn't look like a Masonic initiation at all, but I wonder what it was? One does not laugh when one is taking an oath.

Post by **TonyGosling** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:40 pm

The six part documentary 'Inside The Brotherhood' was made by veteran investigative journalist Martin Short... who also wrote a book of the same name as a follow up to 'The Brotherhood' by Stephen Knight. I didn't know a documentary existed!
In parliament mentions the Gallery lodge (press men and lobby journalists) and the New Welcome lodge (for non Tory MPs).

One 'critical' documentary of Freemasonry is 'Inside the Brotherhood'. It can be watched here for anyone with time on their hands. The quality isn't great and the first episode has a annoying noise but its great stuff:

Episodes 1 and 2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 3851926293

Episodes 3 and 4
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 2115954895

Episodes 5 and 6
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 9025710672

Episode 1
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVrIFFTbbE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTkz0SQbCYQ
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI3nd60z1_4

Episode 2
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEZF5R5squc
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQedo_uA8MU
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppMED5j6H4s

Episode 3
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofy7j1XPi4A
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QpLArNz3qQ
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGWWqh9VcrQ

Episode 4
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUHTS1AFeCY
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp9pgtalXxQ
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpGufTMNmE

Episode 5
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVvao-eBQA
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UvZ0LoQo4w
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRqsRcJlvbM

http://www.thefreemason.com/community/T ... 5-8-1.aspx

Caz · Post by **Caz** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:03 pm

The occult are now in the schools across the UK, via Psychosynthesis, founded by Roberto Assagioli, a student of Alice Bailey's, who founded the Lucifer Trust.

http://paulmcguireblog.blogspot.com/200 ... rence.html

The Thule Society had its roots connected to the same occult beliefs as Alice Bailey...

and here it is, brought through from Alice Bailey, via Roberto Assagioli's 'Psychosynthesis', now at work across UK schools under the 'Teens and Toddlers Sustainability Replication Programme.' (Eugenics).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxQpft5F_k

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GodSaveTheTeam · Post by **GodSaveTheTeam** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:39 pm

I remember touring schools a few years ago with issue based theatre and seeing posters all over the place in all of them with the slogan "YOU ARE GOD" on them.

Whilst I can see the spiritual message in this slogan, it does seem very NWO'esque.

Not sure I like the idea of kids running around believing they are God.

Of course, it sets the precedent of people being "gods".

Just what the elite ordered as they rule from their very own mount olympus...

Life · Post by **Life** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:13 pm

Hi All.

It is good that people are allowing the idea of secret or occult knowledge to enter the arena, because if one truly wishes to understand what the hell is going on in this world presently, understanding the occult world is an essential ingredient, without it one is dealing only with a tenth at best of the knowledge to which those at the higher levels of this world exist within.

Unfortunatley I have solid experience of the occult, its doctrines, its aims, and the means by which it is used against the populations. It is nothing new, it is just that at the end of the last 13.000 year cycle man had gone mad, and thus this solar systems frequency fell to a lower frequency, the very cycle we are leaving as we head into the expanded frequency range and enter the new, under this last cycle the abyss has had 'open house' as far as men wanting power in order to feel secure, thus in the hunt for such power man has opened more and more to the children of the shadows, man has given them this power.

We are today at the point at which the 'old order', the old power, has to defeat the natural cycle of man, by means of the creation of a Temple, a Temple within which man will not be able to synchronise with the higher frequencies in which the solar system is entering.... enter the 666 Grid.

Satallite, microwave technology, pollution, chemical overload, NLP programming direct into the mind of man, all these weapons are creating a frequency prison, preventing our connection with that which has been promised for 2000 years as the Christian calendar counts.

Christ is not a geezer in sandals, it is an energy and it is open to every living creature always....it is called love, and it's availability to man has returned.

Given we exist within the frequency prison created by the children of the shadows, to express love today is in direct opposition to the genetic programming which is called on to survive as its root program, love does not compute with logic or the mind, it is the language of the heart, therefore it would seem to be the exact opposite required response in todays madness.

Building fences and walls , protectionism is the dictate of the DNA, it is the demand of the serpent.

Love is the call to ascension of the spirit from the bondage of the DNA, not as religious institution commands and to physically die, it is the call to rise above the dictate of the genetics and to become the rider of the horse and let the ascended self shine in this world while alive.

The greatest means to keeping man out of the spiritual, is to have him believe he must die, but it is the identification of the physical self as the only self that must die, it is a spiritual death, or a series of many deaths, this is the eightfold path of initiation, the path of the grail, etc.

Fear controls man, man only aknowledges the physical, the genetic programme, therfore the idea of death is a subject one runs away from.

"By my ownself I am nothing ", such a truth is missed by the masses, who of course existing in the genetic programme equates this to forming likeminded groups.... the spiritual look for the connection within, the journey to life begins.

It is a spiral, the looking glass, most do all they can to exist on the merry go round at the centre of the cone, round and round going niether up nor down.

The Kabbalah speaks of the journey to ascension requires first...a journey into the underworld to face the dweller on the threshold, or 'YOU', your shadow self, then it is a breaking down of all that is false, the journey of ascension begins, you move on the spiral but head up.

If succsessfull you will re-connect with the higher frequencies, you become spiritualised, energised life, all you do is the programme of the higher frequencies and your genetic horse becomes a vassel for the heaven entities to bring forth heaven on earth.

What the children of the shadows have accomplished through the last cycle, is to connect with enough of man to bring their world into the physical, 'they are coming to their Kingdom'.

The event known as the Tower of Babel, giving the means and the leg up in this regard, giving the rulers of the pre deluge agethe ability to come back into the following cycle, and rule, but thats another story.

The truth of this world is the fact we are all parts of the same source, individualised, but always a hologram of the whole, thus your only duty is to ascend while in body to the hights of the heavens, individually.

You cannot take your wife or husband with you if they wish to remain entranced by the glamour of the serpent, it is a very lonely journey.

As one moves up the spiral one becomes energised by those enrgies, you connect with the inhabitants of the same, you then express that frequency.

All is going on at an individual level, were are you fixed on the grid matrix is very important because no matter how high minded one is, if your grid connection is low, all you do can only serve that level, I cite the current elite for the proof of this, highly intelligent, but rooted in the base chakras, they bring forth only fear.

There is a great truth in the fact, reality is going on on an individual level in the Pineal Gland, if one takes ones influence from without, the physical matrix has you, if you look within for your influence....well one is surprised what can be seen and made manifest, energy follows thought and makes manifest, we each create our own reality.

The elite despise the heavens because the heavens keep them out, they failed on the path, they connected with genetic programming hence their obsession with bloodlines.

chek · Post by **chek** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:34 pm

It must be a great feeling, being a semi-literate sage.
Not a problem that Gandhi, amongst others, in recent times suffered from.

Caz · Post by **Caz** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:02 am

A few 'sages' here;

'the three men of peace',

Ikeda, Martin Luther King, Gandhi.

Ikeda: the Club of Rome

King: a little publicised background
http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html

Gandhi: not sure yet what he is doing in with this bunch

Unless what Gandhi represented has been corrupted:

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire ... /index.php

Certainly, two of these 'men of peace' are not quite what has been presented to the public.

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=140323

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Post by **TonyGosling** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:01 pm

Caz

I think your 'perfectabilis' approach with King Ghandi etc. misses the point in a rather spectacular way.

These are all great men of peace and freedom who may have been compromised... yes.

The Order Of The Garter is no such organisation. Keeps British royalty on the dark side. Yes, even her nibs.

Occultic from it's foundation in the days when witchcraft was encircling the court.

Blair not allowed in cos he was a puppet not a mover!!

I'd like to see an exposee of this Order... and More on the Bullingdon Club from you.

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:23 pm

Thanks, 'Life', but I'll stick with 'the guy in sandals'.

insidejob · Post by **insidejob** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:40 pm

There is a strand of racism within the 'truth movement' that culminates in this smear attempt on Martin Luther King. Note the title 'BEAST as Saint'. Yet we are supposed to believe he is a beast because he plagiarised some of his academic work. (This perpetuates the notion that blacks are intellectually inferior and you'd have thought that his university would have noticed.) Then we are told that he had links with Communists. Of course, the US patriot movement is full of racists but that's OK. Then, we are told, he had sex outside marriage. Big f****** deal.

King has been projected as saintly by the establishment but that because they preferred his non-nationalist approach compared to Malcolm X.

There are some absurd, pernicious, gobbledygook allegations against King, which was that the NWO order sponsored him to ‘create the illusion that white people have been racist toward black people’. They, of course, never explain the NWO strategy behind this – perhaps because there isn’t one. They fail to mention that NWO kingpin, Albert Pike, (probably) helped to maintain racism by creating the Klu Klux Klan. They also never investigate King's membership of the boule, a black Freemasonic fraternity controlled by the NWO to contain black protest. And, of course, they fail to mention that the NWO killed King. And they don’t because they’d have a hard time explaining why the NWO killed someone who was supposed to be a key agent.

If anyone comes up with something more substantial than supposedly cheating on his exams, working with people who professed opposition to exploitation and having sex, then give us a call, otherwise, why waste our time?

Post by **TonyGosling** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:03 pm

Former Satanist shows everyday occultism - from the ever interesting Prophecy Club - this time it's an alleged former Satanist
Stephen Dollins, a former Satanic Priest turned Christian teacher
[GVideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5882834497[/GVideo]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5882834497
Claims he can fill a box from any Christian's home with toys and objects linked to satanic symbols and worship
http://www.veoh.com/collection/amikkwe/ ... 20d22bZfKs

Post by **TonyGosling** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:53 pm

Satanic sect leader gets prison term
Published 19 July, 2010, 14:32
The leader of a satanic sect that practiced orgies as part of the initiation of adepts has received a 20-month prison term.
Aleksandr Kazakov, 25, was found guilty of creating an organization that violated human and civil rights, and of indecent actions directed at a minor. His right-hand man, Denis Danshin, 23, received a year-and-half suspended term, reports Interfax news agency.
The two men organized the so-called “Noble Order of the Devil” or “Nobilis Ordo Diaboli.” Adepts, who were mostly high school or university students recruited via Internet, gathered in secrecy to perform death-themed rituals and indulge in promiscuity.
Prosecutors also accused Kazakov of rapes and beatings of dissident members, but failed to gather evidence.
http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-07-19/satan ... rison.html

Post by **TonyGosling** » Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:37 pm

Happy Bank Holiday Everyone!
And here they are in England and Wales:

1st January - New Year's Day

The Friday before Easter Sunday - Good Friday

The day after Easter Sunday - Easter Monday

First Monday in May - May Day Bank Holiday

Last Monday in May - Beltane - Spring Bank Holiday - in 2012 this holiday will be moved to 4 June. It will then be followed by an extra holiday on 5 June, making a four-day weekend to celebrate the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II. Until 1973, Whit Monday was a bank holiday in the United Kingdom until 1967. Whitsun Bank Holiday weekend was formally replaced by the fixed Spring Bank Holiday on the last Monday in May in 1971.

Last Monday in August - Summer Bank Holiday

25 December - Christmas Day

26 December - Boxing Day

Cross Quarter Days
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5–10 November: Samhain - Between Midautumn and Midwinter
Traditional winter begins
Middle of astronomical autumn

2–7 February: Imbolc - Between Midwinter and Midspring
Traditional spring begins
Middle of astronomical winter

4–10 May: Beltane - Between Midspring and Midsummer
Traditional summer begins
Middle of astronomical spring

3–10 August: Lughnasadh - Between Midsummer and Midautumn
Traditional autumn begins
Middle of astronomical summer

There are Christian and other holidays that correspond roughly with each of these four, and some argue that historically they originated as adaptations of the pagan holidays, although the matter is not agreed upon. The corresponding holidays are:

Candlemas (2 or 15 February)
Walpurgis Night (30 April) and May Day (1 May)
Lammas (1 August)
All Saints (1 November) and All Souls' Day (2 November)

9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom

Links with occultism - are they significant?

Re: Links with occultism - are they significant?

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