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Just what we have come to expect, eh?Two of the nine men arrested during anti-terrorism raids in Birmingham last Wednesday have been released without charge by police.
The two said in a statement after their release that there had been no mention of an alleged kidnap plot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6337335.stmTheir solicitor, Gareth Peirce, said: "They have left the police station without any better understanding of why they were there than when they first arrived seven days ago.
"Not a word was ever mentioned to either of them about a plot to kidnap or the grisly suggestion of a beheading or even of a soldier at all."
Both the men had been met with a "consistent refusal" of an explanation for their arrest, Ms Peirce added.
He's been told to take a couple of aspirins, drink a hot toddy and get an early night.mark_e wrote:I wonder how long this will stay as the main headline on the bbc site. the 'Brown Calls For Formation of New World Order' was top news for about 45 minutes, before being replaced by something else such as Jade Goody.
Maybe something big is scheduled for today, has that vet got bird flu?
Apology not required !spiv wrote:Scuba, if you are correct then I apologise for my error in using the word "pardon"
Thank you Paul.PaulStott wrote:I think what you have to ask yourself in this case is:
1. Are the British police/security services capable of fabricating a plot like this? To which the answer is obviously yes.
2. Are there people in the British Muslim communities capable of committing a crime along the lines of the press reports? To which the answer is obviously yes.
Given that, it is too early to judge if this was a genuine plot that has been thwarted, or more MI5/SB bs.
Point 1 agreed. Our insecurity services have a long history of false flag terrorism.PaulStott wrote:I think what you have to ask yourself in this case is:
1. Are the British police/security services capable of fabricating a plot like this? To which the answer is obviously yes.
2. Are there people in the British Muslim communities capable of committing a crime along the lines of the press reports? To which the answer is obviously yes.
Given that, it is too early to judge if this was a genuine plot that has been thwarted, or more MI5/SB bs.
What are you on about Mark? Anybody at any time could suddenly decide to go out and kill someone. Your question is therefore irrelevant and provocative.Mark Gobell wrote:where is your evidence that anyone in any community is capable of kidnapping someone, recording their decapitation and publishing that recording on the internet ?
Yet another shill outed.Mark Gobell wrote:Planet earth calling Mr Brown.
I have never, ever in my life, before today, heard anybody suggest that anyone whatsoever, could go and kidnap somebody, behead them, film it and publish that film on the internet.
You, Mr Brown, are the second person to make such an absurd suggestion in as many minutes.
Err Noblackbear wrote:Do you have a problem with muslims.?
Ex-terror plot suspect speaks out
Abu Bakr works at the Maktabah bookshop, raided last Wednesday
A man freed after he was arrested over an alleged plot to kidnap a UK Muslim soldier has criticised the police investigation.
Abu Bakr, who works in the Maktabah bookshop, targeted in anti-terror raids in Birmingham, also told BBC News the UK was "a police state for Muslims".
Mr Bakr, one of nine men arrested during last week's raids, was released without charge along with another man.
He said he would be affected for the rest of his life by the arrest.
A spokesman for West Midlands Police said it was normal that some people would be arrested and released without charge in large and complex criminal investigations.
Mr Bakr, who is studying for a PhD in Political Islam at the city's university, said he became aware of the police forcing their way into his house early last Wednesday morning by his wife screaming.
I was looking for weapons, I didn't see any and that cooled me down a bit
Abu Bakr
"Then I see that the light has been put on and I hear lots of officers come up, shouting my name," he said.
The officers asked him to get on the floor before telling him he was being arrested on suspicion of terrorist offences, he said.
"At this moment, all I was thinking about was my family."
He referred to a raid in Forest Gate in east London, where two Muslim men were arrested and later released without charge. One was shot during the raid.
"In my mind, the case of Forest Gate was going though my mind.
"I was looking for weapons, I didn't see any and that cooled me down a bit."
Film crews
Mr Bakr said that after he had been taken into custody and fingerprinted, his solicitor told him of the alleged plot to kidnap and kill a British Muslim soldier.
It's a police state for Muslims
Abu Bakr
He said he only realised how big the story was when his solicitor told him film crews were at his house.
Mr Bakr said that, of the other men arrested, one was his friend, he had previously met another and did not "have a clue" about any of the others.
Asked how he felt about being singled out he said: "It's a police state for Muslims.
"It's not a police state for everybody else because these terror laws are designed specifically for Muslims and that's quite an open fact," he added.
"So we're the ones who are being locked up, detained and then told to go back to our lives."
'Virtual torture'
He had been released by police on Wednesday morning and told to "go back to things how they were", he added.
"But they don't realise that, after seven days of virtual torture for my family, it's going to be hard to readjust," he added.
"This is going to affect me for the rest of my life."
Mr Bakr said his parents had told him they had aged 10 years while he had been in custody.
"Now who is going to replace that?" he said.
He also criticised "amateur-type interrogation" by the police who, he said, had subjected him to "random questioning" about notes written on pieces of paper by his young children.
Community's concerns over raids
Sonia Deol hosts the Asian Network's breakfast radio show
The arrest of nine people in Birmingham under the Terrorism Act has prompted a host of calls to the BBC's Asian Network.
Listeners called Sonia Deol's breakfast show with concerns over the police handling of the situation and whether charges would be brought.
Ms Deol said she thought people in the community felt they lacked information about the raids.
"People can't believe they are part of what is a huge story," she said.
"I think they want to co-operate with police but they are a little suspicious over where all this is going to go.
"People are annoyed with the way it all happened, with the raids in the morning. They don't understand why police would need to do it that way.
"I think people feel they are lacking information at the moment."
Eight people were arrested early on Wednesday on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism as police carried out raids on 12 addresses in the Sparkhill, Washwood Heath, Kingstanding and Edgbaston areas of Birmingham.
A ninth was later arrested during the afternoon on a motorway in the city area.
Ms Deol said a lot of people texting the show raised concerns that police had previously arrested people under the Terrorism Act who had subsequently been released without charge.
"A lot of people who texted in think this is what is going to happen," the presenter said.
"I think the feeling among the community is that they want to co-operate with police but they are wondering if there is any real evidence to bring charges against these people."
A 31-year-old man has been arrested in east London for encouraging terrorism, Scotland Yard has said.
The man was arrested by officers from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism Command at 0930 GMT in Leyton High Road.
He was taken to a central London police station where he is being held in custody under Section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2006.
It is understood the arrest was a result of an ongoing inquiry.
I can't see how Gobell can doubt this (but of course he does). British Kashmiri separatist sympathisers kidnapped, brutally tortured and murdered the Indian Deputy High Commissioner in Birmingham in 1983. Merely filming a decapitation is clinical by comparison (normal black ops practice is to physically deliver the head).PaulStott wrote:I think what you have to ask yourself in this case is:
1. Are the British police/security services capable of fabricating a plot like this? To which the answer is obviously yes.
2. Are there people in the British Muslim communities capable of committing a crime along the lines of the press reports? To which the answer is obviously yes.
Given that, it is too early to judge if this was a genuine plot that has been thwarted, or more MI5/SB bs.
