Vapour trails, contrails or chemtrails? Fact or fiction?

Abandoned Ego · Post by **Abandoned Ego** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:55 am

from the editor wrote:Contrail Science
http://contrailscience.com/
http://contrailscience.com/contrail-avo ... echniques/
Scientists Published An Article On 'Chemtrails' (They Aren't Real)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisal ... hemtrails/
The first peer-reviewed journal article focused on so-called “chemtrails” concludes that this long-held conspiracy theory is nothing but fog and air.

Ive been asked on behalf of David to make the following observations known to a wider audience.

It would appear that there is a lot of Chemtrail activity around these parts of late. On a personal note, as I was cycling home the other evening, I noticed the long trailing plumes against the moon.

The following morning we get the fog.

This morning it would appear that exactly the same thing has happened again. Its quite frosty here today, which in theory would suggest that the skies be chrystal clear.

We want to believe that this is simply the result of perhaps an overactive imagination, but we strongly suspect not. What on earth is going on ?

on edit - a quick appeal to the moderators. I tried to log in this morning in David Hugo Boyles name to make this post, but without success. I subsequently recieved a new password and repeated the process, again without success. We clearly have a problem here. Does this have anything to do with the fact that another account (mine) is logging in from the same ISP address ? - Thanks in anticipation,

Mark.

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:34 am

Funny, that!

My mate and I were walking on the (Blackpool) beach on Thursday evening shortly after the fog fell. We have both got marine navigation qualifications, ergo have studied meteorology. Also, he is a lifeboatman and has a 'feel' for weather.

We both agreed that the fog was a sure sign that there would be frost in the morning, there being moisture in the air and an expected low temperature.

I have been watching trails for many years and my observations are on hold for the time being as I have become aware that the more pervasive trails seem to occur only during certain atmospheric conditions. That isn't to say that I am not suspiscious - there still isn't any evidence that such trails existed before c. 1983 - but all the evidence is circumstantial and it is too easy to leap to conclusions.

fixuplooksharp · Post by **fixuplooksharp** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:34 pm

the whole thing with the pathogens, blood, barium and aluminium in these trails is a worrysome development. What u rekon about morgellons, real or not real?

i personally think they are trying to block out the sun. and there defo is a correlation between global dimming and contrails. see - http://sanityforsale.wordpress.com/2007 ... dimming-2/

stav · Post by **stav** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:22 pm

us gov admitted in an article in the guardian last saturday that they are develpoing plans to place mirrors in space and leave cloud trail in the sky to reflect the sunlight in an attempt to stem global warming. the same day blaire leaves that meeting in swiss mountains saying that they have made great progress on plans to stop global warming.
my bet is they have been testing it out chemtrails for a while now and have now decided to make it abit more public.

when i spoke to the sun about a year ago about this i was called a nutter and a conspiracy theorist and then hung up on. now its in the guardian. how times change.

marky 54 · Post by **marky 54** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:10 pm

if the above is true why the secerecy? i carnt see it being kept from us when they scare us with global warming every day and have been suggesting it for years.

fixuplooksharp · Post by **fixuplooksharp** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:08 pm

Why the secrecy? Seems obvious to me, if you look at what has actually been found in these 'chemtrails' then i rekon what you are seeing is 'them' messing around with our immune system without consent.

Hey we are all dumb enough to go and get mercury laced vaccines, why not this?

fixuplooksharp · Post by **fixuplooksharp** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:10 pm

oh yeah, theyre now teaching this in schools!

http://sanityforsale.wordpress.com/2007 ... s-schools/

fixuplooksharp · Post by **fixuplooksharp** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:05 pm

Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc

4 molds and fungi

7 viruses

2 cancers

2 vaccines

2 sedatives

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:21 pm

fixuplooksharp wrote:Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there...

Just curious how the samples were obtained.

utopiated · Post by **utopiated** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:47 pm

Today was mad as f*ck sky-wise.

I have 4 pics from cam phone showing 4 planes formation flying and BLATENTLY covering the whole area.

Within 3 hours the blue sky was gone and the haze I can now spot instantly took over.

A group of us who log this stuff thought they had gone to nite shifts only or found a new way to spray minus obvious trails but it seems not.

Page I did a while back: http://tinyurl.com/2jbds7

and possible links to dis-ease [not confirmed]

http://tinyurl.com/sf2bx

If you can spare 2 mins a day to log your area's activity - pls contact me or jackamo23ATgmailDOTcom as we are databasing this in UK.

Ignatz · Post by **Ignatz** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:25 pm

fixuplooksharp wrote:Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc

4 molds and fungi

7 viruses

2 cancers

2 vaccines

2 sedatives

If this thread was over on CC, I might be allowed to ask what "2 cancers" (airborne) might actually be.
And what your source for this info is.
But it isn't, so I can't. Shame.

telecasterisation · Post by **telecasterisation** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:31 pm

fixuplooksharp wrote:Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

etc

I am interested to know which are the several that shouldn't be there? Plus I agree, whatever are 'airborne cancers'?

Bicnarok · Post by **Bicnarok** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:04 pm

david who?

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:08 pm

David Boyle, proprietor of the Conspiracies Exhibition in Blackpool.

I decline to make any further comment.

ian neal · Post by **ian neal** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:23 pm

Abandoned Ego wrote: on edit - a quick appeal to the moderators. I tried to log in this morning in David Hugo Boyles name to make this post, but without success. I subsequently recieved a new password and repeated the process, again without success. We clearly have a problem here. Does this have anything to do with the fact that another account (mine) is logging in from the same ISP address ? - Thanks in anticipation,

Mark.

I will refer this to JHR for advice

Thx and sorry for the probs

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:30 pm

Hi to you all,

We too have TRAILS, X's and U turns over us nearly everyday

They make a mess over our skies,, some people say it's just another conspiracy theroy,, my answer to them is look at the pics below,

These trails are not a figment of my imagination (I wish they where) they are real, they are above me nearly everyday and I really do think we should make people aware of these awful trails... we are penalized for pollution on the ground but nothing is been done about the Air pollution/chemicals comming down on us and our children.

The sky just ends up like a white milky mess after these trails have spread into each other throughout the day.

I don't know what they are doing to our health or the enviroment, but IMO it can't be a good thing..

Care to you all

Di

Last picture is courtesy of John from Norwich 9/11 Truth, the rest are what we have taken, all are over Kings Lynn.

Disco_Destroyer · Post by **Disco_Destroyer** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:31 pm

The bottom pic is the most compelling and if planes were seen in formation I'd start to take it on board but planes follow strict flight paths one at a time.

Fallious · Post by **Fallious** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:35 pm

What we need is "Pilots for Chemtrail Proof"

Newspeak International · Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:58 pm

Fallious wrote:What we need is "Pilots for Chemtrail Proof"

Well when I get to my place of work,I look up and all I see is the viscous
remnants of trails laid by jets what does that tell you?

Global dimming by jet exhaust, to what end I don't really know but you really have to be blind not to see it,especially at 6.45 in the morning on a clearish day followed by clouds a plenty and an overcast sky!

(I know I'm paranoid, but the above is still true)

The "End of days" scenario is a man made phenomenon utopiated.

paul wright · Post by **paul wright** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:10 am

You want to get up to West Yorkshire where the chemtrails were very messy in 2002 and then one or two cloudbusters were lifted and the trails began to break up.
there were some towerbusters (tbs)put around the phone masts over an interim period, and over the past year or so this gifting of masts with tbs was done in a methodical fashion all over the west of West Yorkshire
Since this brave and expensive one-man-band-ship the skies have remained remarkably clear and the chemtrailing exercises have failed
We don't see so much of this around here now
http://westyorkshiretruth.aceboard.com/ ... tivism.htm

Ignatz · Post by **Ignatz** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:41 pm

flamesong wrote:.... That isn't to say that I am not suspiscious - there still isn't any evidence that such trails existed before c. 1983......

Would WWII do?

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:13 pm

Ignatz wrote:
flamesong wrote:.... That isn't to say that I am not suspiscious - there still isn't any evidence that such trails existed before c. 1983......
Would WWII do?

How do you know they are not just contrails?

I'm not being facetious but do you know the difference between contrails and what are known as 'chemtrails'?

StopThe9/11CoverUp · Post by **StopThe9/11CoverUp** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:45 pm

Read somewhere that the US Government spends more money on weather control than it does anything else, including war.

Thats why the US have taken so long to come into the fray regarding global warming, they didnt put their ideas to stop global warming forward because they knew it doesnt exist, they control all the weather thats why the weather around the world is so messed up. Global warming is like another story to fuel everyday people whilst something more sinister going on in the background is actually the case ^^.

Just an off the cuff thought!

Newspeak International · Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:24 pm

Newspeak International wrote:
Fallious wrote:What we need is "Pilots for Chemtrail Proof"
Well when I get to my place of work,I look up and all I see is the viscous
remnants of trails laid by jets what does that tell you?

Global dimming by jet exhaust stuff, to what end I don't really know but you really have to be blind not to see it,especially at 6.45 in the morning on a clearish day followed by clouds a plenty and an overcast sky!

(I know I'm paranoid, but the above is still true)

The "End of days" scenario is a man made phenomenon utopiated.

Just to add, I made a comment to a work colleage and he said " It's so clear today"
CLEAR FU CKING CLEAR! he obviously didn't notice the obvious residue of whatever, that was and is filtering the suns rays for whatever reason!

paul wright · Post by **paul wright** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:56 pm

Ignatz wrote:
flamesong wrote:.... That isn't to say that I am not suspiscious - there still isn't any evidence that such trails existed before c. 1983......
Would WWII do?

This is always total ball works.
I've seen this before They always have to return to the dogfight planes of WW2 to prove their point. Nothing from the skies of the 60s 70s early 80s or even most of the 90's because it wasn't like that then National Geographic skyscapes produce nothing of the kind
They can't find them!
Look in and back here and through here
It is solvable
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/main/ind ... opic&t=341

Ignatz · Post by **Ignatz** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:51 am

dh wrote:
Ignatz wrote:
flamesong wrote:.... That isn't to say that I am not suspiscious - there still isn't any evidence that such trails existed before c. 1983......
Would WWII do?

This is always total ball works.
I've seen this before They always have to return to the dogfight planes of WW2 to prove their point. Nothing from the skies of the 60s 70s early 80s or even most of the 90's because it wasn't like that then National Geographic skyscapes produce nothing of the kind
They can't find them!
Look in and back here and through here
It is solvable
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/main/ind ... opic&t=341
A few lines from your link:
"Since the sun started rising in the northeast and setting in the northwest a month or so ago the weather's been kind of screwy--way too much rain and it's too hot, at least in Eastern N America. Typically, we wake to almost clear skies here in the morning, with heavy cloudcover offshore to the east. By mid-afternoon there are thunderstorms all around us and this goes on for a week or so at a time, with a week-long break of normal skies in between.

At this latitude, which is close to the Tropic of Cancer line (the north limit for coconut palms is forty miles north of us), the sun should be rising and setting due East and West this time of year. Before and during the previous axis wobble the moon's orbit became bizarre and erratic but this time it's 'normal.' "

The author seems to be suggesting that, at the time of writing, the sun was rising in the "wrong" place, and that on a previous occasion the moon's orbit became temporarily erratic.
Could you clarify this please as, if true, I'm wondering why every news medium isn't screaming blue murder about these truly astonishing astronomical events.

Snowygrouch · Post by **Snowygrouch** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:22 am

Can someone explain WTF this is all about....you see for a minuite there I thought we were discussing vapour trails. Problem is see, hot air holds much more water than cold air. When the hot jet exhaust mixes with the very cold air at altitude the water comes out of suspension and becomes vapour trails.

I`m guessing the health effects are due to the burning of hundreds of thousands of gallons of Kerosene. Some of the by-products from which no doubt get into the lungs of persons who live below high air traffic zones.

Or am I missing something here?

C.

stav · Post by **stav** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:18 pm

snowy there is a huge difference between vapor trail (contrails) which are what you describe, they disappear from sight very quickly though and chemtrails which are the trail we all see in the sky now which linger in the air for a long while spreading out into a milky cloud covering.
there are a couple of schools of though, one is by will thomas you can look him up he also has a few videos on google video, his main view is that the spraying is done as some sort of bio programme on the populus.
then there is the view that this is being done to counter the effects of global warming (it links in with global dimming), by spraying a layer of cloud chemicals they can reflect rays of sunlight back into space. the guardian had a piece on it in sat edition two weeks ago.
then there is the view that its to do with weather engineering.
all can be found through google. and some of it is very interesting indeed.
as of yet i am undecided which way to go as there is just not enough direct evidence pointing to one thing, alternativley it could be all of the above + some more we dont know about.

all we do know is that these trail are not normal contrails.

fixuplooksharp · Post by **fixuplooksharp** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:58 pm

[quote="Ignatz"][quote="flamesong"].... That isn't to say that I am not suspiscious - there still isn't any evidence that such trails existed before c. 1983......[/quote]

Would WWII do?

[img]http://members.interlinc.net/phantom/vapor-trail.jpg[/img][/quote]

the image posted above is from ww2. What they are doing there is, i forget the correct term for it, but they are releasing heavy metals into the atmosphere in order to improve our radar system as the turbulence to the air with the heavy metals is more clearly seen by radar.

I see these things all the time. What they are for is another matter. But the reason i know that it is not just the resultant residue of the burning of kerosene is because when they are flying through the air they suddenly start emitting the thicker contrails, then will suddenly stop then start up again. I have even seen them flying in formation then turning around and doing it again. Cannot get anymore blatant than that.

watch the skies is all i say

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:29 pm

I think the term is 'chaff'. I learned about it as a radar/radio mechanic in the Fleet Air Arm but I was only aware of aluminium foil strips being used. I never heard of heavy metals being used.

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