Fri22Nov1963 - JFK Dallas assassination CIA LBJ +Chicago Mob

[TonyGosling]

"The Assassinations of Kennedy and Oswald as Never Seen Before"
This is a mind-blowing 6-part video documentary series, the purpose of which is to present publicly unavailable and suppressed historical audio, video and film recordings which have remained largely unseen to this day.
The recordings relate to the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers, the little known and classified "Black Ops" used to intentionally create the war in Vietnam, CIA "mind control" programs relating to the RFK assassination, the Jonestown massacre, and the MLK assassination.
The U.S. Government's Orwellian "Office of Public Diplomacy" has been in existence in various forms and under various names since first world war. The union of American governance and American corporate interests has been in existence since the birth of the nation and the doctoring of 'public truth' began long before that.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDAiC8Bb75M[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDAiC8Bb75M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwYoB-YRZqw

[gruts]

Evidence of Revision is indeed very interesting stuff.

check out these links (better than youtube)....

http://www.archive.org/details/Evidence_of_Revision_1

http://www.archive.org/details/evidenceofrevisionpart2

http://www.archive.org/details/Evidence_of_Revision_3

http://www.archive.org/details/Evidence_of_Revision_4

http://www.archive.org/details/Evidence_of_Revision_5

[jesussdad]

its good to see people have found the same independent gems that i have, among the masses of nonsense.
i will assume you guys have seen the jfk jr video by the jfk 2 dude.

[outsider]

@gruts: 'Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde'

Make you right there, (I guess?)!!

Shto eto?

[gruts]

it's just a bit of russian irony....

see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

"As the names of the main Communist newspaper and the main Soviet newspaper, Pravda and Izvestia, meant "the truth" and "the news" respectively, a popular Russian saying was "v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy" (In the Truth there is no news, and in the News there is no truth)."

incidentally, part 6 of EOR - about the assassination of martin luther king - is also worth watching....

http://www.documentary-film.net/search/ ... p?&ref=157

[outsider]

it's just a bit of russian irony....

see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

"As the names of the main Communist newspaper and the main Soviet newspaper, Pravda and Izvestia, meant "the truth" and "the news" respectively, a popular Russian saying was "v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy" (In the Truth there is no news, and in the News there is no truth)."

incidentally, part 6 of EOR - about the assassination of martin luther king - is also worth watching....

http://www.documentary-film.net/search/ ... p?&ref=157

Thanks for interpretation and posts. I've been posting the videos around, as well as downloading them.

[TonyGosling]

Businessman Clay Shaw, prosecuted for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shaw

...was the head of the New Orleans International Trade Mart....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Trade_Mart

Here's the audio
http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/45807

[Thermate911]

"The Mossad Role in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy
by Michael Collins Piper "

Before the 'hystericals' get their teeth into this review from February, 2010 (that IMO needs re-emphasising), I would like to point out once again that I favour no ideology or author and that AFAIAC, Mossad is an effect, not a cause:-

http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... ation.html

"As an Israeli/American peace activist I welcome this book . This book is especially topical today as the search for peace in the Middle East continues. As Israelis as well international Jews who care about our country I believe it right and proper to engage in an informed and vigorous debate about the undoubted wrong-doings of our government in an open and informed way. This is the only way in which the worst excesses of Zionism can be curbed."
-- David L. Rubinstein from Tel Aviv
See Reviews.

and

...Since November 22, 1963 many have spent vast amounts of time researching the assassination, putting forth a wide variety of theories.

Most of the research has been devoted to what one more perceptive critic described as "a consuming preoccupation [with] the microanalytic searching for facts of how the assassination was accomplished," while at the same time, he points out "there has been almost no systematic thinking on why President Kennedy was killed."

So while people have focused on how many assassins were involved, and how many shots they fired at JFK and where the shots came from and where the bullets hit, the real question of who was ultimately responsible for the assassination—not who fired the bullets, but who sponsored the assassins who fired those bullets—has been ignored. ... ... ...

[outsider]

Here is part 5 of a very good series of videos; watch them all, and also part 6 (which you'll have to 'search' for; parts 1 and 2 can be accessed directly from this link, and are about the JFK assassination:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0777778333#

Also check out this interesting video by Jesse Ventura, with some new info (re JFK's widow):

http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/video ... hare_video

[TonyGosling]

Digital data lies
Interesting bs new take on JFK

The end of JFK conspiracy theories? [no, ed.] Digital technology proves Oswald DID act alone... and reveals grainy image of him standing at window.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... alone.html

Look at this guy - journalist or hit man himself?

[TonyGosling]

Explosive Jackie O Tapes ‘Reveal How She Believed Johnson Killed JFK & Had Affair With Movie Star’
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/07/129153/
In the tapes, Jackie allegedly blames Lyndon Johnson for the death of JFK, who took over the post from her husband after his assassination
Explosive Jackie O tapes ‘reveal how she believed Johnson killed JFK and had affair with movie star’
She will allegedly reveal affair with actor William Holden
Believed Vice-President Johnson was behind husband’s assassination
by Rachel Quigley and Liz Thomas
Jackie Onassis believed that Lyndon B Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved in the assassination of her husband John F Kennedy, ‘explosive’ recordings are set to reveal

[Firsk]

Knowing that many 9/11 truthers are also JFK truthers, I am posting this here. It concerns a new observation about the "Doorway Man" from the famous Altgens photo about whom there has been decades of controversy as to whether he's Lee Oswald or Billy Lovelady. But, this new observation about his clothing points to Oswald.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcKgSUumAPc

[fish5133]

Knowing that many 9/11 truthers are also JFK truthers, I am posting this here. It concerns a new observation about the "Doorway Man" from the famous Altgens photo about whom there has been decades of controversy as to whether he's Lee Oswald or Billy Lovelady. But, this new observation about his clothing points to Oswald.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcKgSUumAPc

For what its worth IMO Man in doorway looks like he has a checked shirt (like Lovedays) on and his hairline looks more like Lovelady.

[Firsk]

This is a 9/11 truth site, so I presume you are capable of thinking outside the box. The picture of Doorway Man was released by the corporate media. Do you really think they would have released a picture that looked directly like Oswald? Realize that in 1963, there was no internet. And the original Altgens photo, which got publicized, showed no detail, just the broad sense that it could be Oswald. So, of course, when they got around to releasing an enlargement, they made sure it could pass for Lovelady. I hope you don't think I am being paranoid because, after all, you are a 9/11 truther, and you know what the corporate media is capable of doing in distorting the truth about 9/11. So, forget about the hairline. And forget about the pattern of the garment. Assume they took care of that. I am pointing to something which I think they didn't notice, and that is, the unusual form and fit of Oswald's shirt. It truly did have a lapel like a man's jacket, and there is no doubt about that. Just look at the form and fit of that shirt on Doorman and compare it to Lovelady. Did you notice that Lovelady's shirt looks very tight-fitting, while Doorman's shirt is very loose? He's swimming in the darn thing. This is for real. They simply did not observe how different his shirt was. They thought it was enough to doctor his hairline and adjust the pattern on his shirt. But, they were wrong.

[scienceplease 2]

The video has been removed... what did it contain?

[Firsk]

I redid my JFK video to put more into it. Here is the new address:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ ... e=youtu.be

But, as a followup to the other guy, this is a 9/11 truth site, and you know the corporate media lied about 9/11. You don't take everything they say for granted. They show you a burnt driver's license of a hijakcer's that fell to the ground with skepticism, right? So, please don't take the plaid, checkered pattern on Doorman's shirt as valid either. That was added. And it would have been very easy to do, even in 1963. It was just a matter of alternating darkness and light. But, the form, the fit, and the lay of the shirt could not be altered, and it was pure Oswald. The Doorman in the Altgens photo was Oswald! He was standing outside watching during the shooting! They just did what they could to transform him into Lovelady. There is no longer any doubt about it. My video proves it. The shirt Oswald was wearing was very distinctive, and Doorman's has the same distinctive features. You can see it particularly around their collars, which I demonstrate. Please watch my videos, starting at the above link. There are 10 of them, but they are 5 minutes or less each, so you're talking 45 minutes total. And if you won't watch all of them, please just watch the first. Just 5 minutes! It will change your perspective on the JFK assassination forever. Every 9/11 truther needs to be a JFK truther.

[Firsk]

Here's the link to my revised video on Oswald's innocence. I didn't change anything, but I did add more to it. Dr. James Fetzer, one of the most prominent and prolific JFK assassination researchers in the world, agrees with it. He and I have co-authored a paper about it which is available upon request. And here's the new link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ ... e=youtu.be

[scienceplease 2]

Have you seen this? Very strange...

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.p ... ld_Clothes

[Firsk]

I have seen the picture of the brown shirt before, and there is another picture of another shirt which is claimed to be the shirt he wore. But I don't put stock in any of these pictures. For instance, considering that we only saw Oswald with his outer shirt unbottoned, why would they show it to us with it all cinched up? There has been so much fraud and corruption of evidence involved in the JFK case, I wouldn't trust anything they claim.

The only shirt I know for sure that Oswald was wearing is where I can see him in it. Don't trust anything else.

If you want to get a good view of Oswald's shirt, including the lapel I talk about, go to Youtube and type in: What Did Oswald See. It's not my video, but you will get a good look at Oswald's shirt. And he is most certainly in it.

[scienceplease 2]

I agree it is very hard to find anything you can rely on in the JFK case...

Lone Gunman? I don't think so... This deathbed confession is enough for me...

http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm

[Firsk]

Yes, I'm sure all those people were involved. It had to go to the top. How else could the media have been so well controlled afterwards? It goes to show that even then, in the 1960s, we had a controlled media.

But, this thing about the Doorman's shirt being that of Oswald's is the kind of physical, tangible, visible evidence that the other side can't deny. They can't defend against it. Doorman is wearing Oswald's shirt, and that makes him Oswald and no one else. Oswald was standing outside watching during the shooting. There is no longer any doubt about it. See for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ ... e=youtu.be

[Bob.Dobby.dobbs]

< This is a request for further evidence about the dates of the deaths of the following named people - especially specific sources which can be properly quoted. Did these people die on the dates specified??>

JFK - DEAD FBI & CIA & MAFIA

Some writers who have investigated the assassination of John F. Kennedy have claimed that a large number of witnesses to the event have died in mysterious circumstances. The Sunday Times reported that "the odds against these witnesses being dead by February, 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one."

By my count :- 7 FBI, 9 CIA and 3 Mafia people connected to the JFK assassination died just prior to some relevant Congressional investigation.

DEAD FBI WITNESSES

William Sullivan - FBI (third in command)
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William Sullivan was shot dead near his home in Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, on 9th November, 1977 - a week before he was to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. An inquest decided that he had been shot accidentally by fellow hunter, Robert Daniels, who was fined $500 and lost his hunting license for 10 years.

Sullivan had been the Number-3 man in FBI, heading division 5:- Counter-espionage and Domestic Intelligence

At the time of his death Sullivan was working on a book with journalist Bill Brown about his experiences with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Bureau: My Thirty Years in Hoover's FBI was published posthumously in 1979. The book was highly critical of both J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon B. Johnson.

Sullivan was one of six top FBI officials who died in a six month period in 1977. Gary Revel, a "Special Investigator" for the House Select Committee on Assassinations said deaths of these FBI SAs could be more significant than what many realized because all six of these FBI SAs were identified to Revel as being important witnesses for the HSCA.

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Five other SPECIAL AGENTS
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Louis Nicholas
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Louis Nicholas, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover and Hoover's liaison with the Warren Commission; (June 1977 louis nichols former number-3 man in fbi

heart attack. worked on jfk assassination

Alan H. Belmont
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Alan H. Belmont, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover - Dies August 1977 "long illness"

James Cadigan
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James Cadigan, document expert with access to documents that related to death of John F. Kennedy - died from an accidental fall in his home in August 1977

J. M. English
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J. M. English, former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested - Dies October 1977 of a heart attack. He

supervised the testing of the rifle that was purportedly the weapon that killed President John F. Kennedy and the pistol that belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald

Donald Kaylor
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Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist who examined prints found at the assassination scene - Dies October 1977 of a heart attack,
before his scheduled testimony. Kaylor was an FBI fingerprint specialist who examined prints found at scenes of both assassinations (JFK and MLK).

ALSO FBI (but not one of the six SAs)
Regis Kennedy
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FBI agent witness, Regis Kennedy might have given private interview evidence, but he was killed **the day before** he was to meet with the CHURCH COMMITTEE.

Regis Kennedy confiscated the film of "The Babushka Lady" in Dealy Plaza
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[TonyGosling]

Jim Garrison did the best work ever on the Kennedy Asdsassination - what a star - three hours of riveting listening for a winter evening in or a long car journey perhaps

He was 43 years old and had been district attorney for less than two years when Kennedy was killed. "I was an old-fashioned patriot," he writes in On the Trail of the Assassins, (Sheridan Square Press, NY), "a product of my family, my military experience, and my years in the legal profession. I could not imagine then that the government would ever deceive the citizens of this country."
http://www.jim-garrison.com
http://radio4all.net/index.php/program/45807

[outsider]

I think there is a better thread than this re JFK, but due to hopeless 'search' possibilities I'll have to settle for this.

Dr. Mary's Monkey':
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/vacc ... aslam.html

This video (from Alex Jones) shows links with 'Black Ops' of Lee Harvey Oswald, plus much more.

Also, for JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King etc. see 6 part 'Evidence of Revision':
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1355447870#
(you can access 5 parts from this link; for 6th, just search 'Evidence of Revision Part 6').

[outsider]

Absolute blockbuster:
'Lee and Me' book by Judyth Vary Baker.
Judyth and Lee fell in love in New Orleans in 1963; Lee Harvey Oswald was working for the Government; he had been an agent all along, and had been sent to 'defect' to Russia, among other reasons to take info re U2 to enable Russians to shoot it down (CIA wanted to disrupt upcoming UN meeting between Eisenhower and Kruschev, believing Ike was getting too old and manipulable, and might be led up the garden path by the wily Russians; Gary Powers' U2 was of course shot down (I heard from a Pakistani that the U2, flying out of Pakistan, actually had a 'Russian' spy switch the altimeter on the U2, while it was on the ground on Pakistani base so it showed a much higher reading than the true one; this 'Russian spy' would hardly have got within miles of the plane, unless the US let him).

Back to the book: Lee spoke to Judyth 2 days before the assassination, and told her he was in the assassination group, but that he had no choice, would do what he could to foil the hit.
Judyth asked him 'Is there any way you coulld get out of this? Something you haven't thought of?', and Lee replied 'They'd just get another gun to take my place. If I stay, that will be one less bullet aimed at Kennedy.'
He had also found out who his handler was, and asked Judyth to remember the name of the traitor, CIA man David Atlee Phillips, of Fort Worth (interestingly, E. Howard Hunt also included Phillips in the group responsible for JFK's assassination, in his death-bed confession).

He had already almost certainly foiled a similar plot days before, when a hit was planned on Kennedy in Chicago, but this time, in Dallas, he did not succeed.

Judyth was warned by David Ferrie to lie low, and to say nothing about what she knew (Ferrie 'committed suicide' - or far more likely, was 'suicided' a couple of days after DA Jim Garrison said Ferrie was a prime informant in his investigation); Judyth said nothing for years, and settled into the humdrum domestic housewife routine, raising 5 children.
After her divorce, and after the children where old enough to fend for themselves, Judyth decided to speak out, and wrote her book.
She has been persecuted since then, with her car being rammed 3 or 4 times, physical attacks, some 4 concussions, death threats, brake lines on her car cut, tyres slashed and more.
She was driven to seek political assylum in Europe, which was I believe temporarily granted.

Her book is really rivetting; apart from the historical and personal content, it is extremely well written. You won't want to put it down once you start to read it.

[outsider]

Sorry, double posted above comment.

[scienceplease 2]

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease.

[outsider]

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease.

Who says so? Try googling 'Cancer viruses' (but far more informative, read the books 'Me and Lee' and 'Dr Mary's Monkey').

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTmlhQaIeg

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

And, on another level, check out how many 'enemies of the State', or 'enemies of the Establishment' (pretty much the same thing in most cases) die of cancer (Penny Lernoux - never heard of her? Check it out; Aaron Russo - how handy for the Rockefeller's, after Nick R. failed in his attempt to recruit Aaron;... plenty more if you search around).
Yes, 'Monkey cancer viruses' were injected in most of us in our polio vaccines; the doctor who tried to blow the whistle was dumped upon and marginalised (can't remember her name now, but if I were you I wouldn't play on that; my memory has always been poor, and gets worse with age).
Yes, if I search, I can find the Doctor who warned of the Monkey Viruses.

[scienceplease 2]

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease.

Who says so? Try googling 'Cancer viruses' (but far more informative, read the books 'Me and Lee' and 'Dr Mary's Monkey').

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTmlhQaIeg

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

Shame, 'scienceplease2', shame and shame again.
Check out your 'science'.
And, on another level, check out how many 'enemies of the State', or 'enemies of the Establishment' (pretty much the same thing in most cases) die of cancer (Penny Lernoux - never heard of her? Check it out; Aaron Russo - how handy for the Rockefeller's, after Nick R. failed in his attempt to recruit Aaron;... plenty more if you search around).
Yes, 'Monkey cancer viruses' were injected in most of us in our polio vaccines; the doctor who tried to blow the whistle was dumped upon and marginalised (can't remember her name now, but if I were you I wouldn't play on that; my memory has always been poor, and gets worse with age).
Yes, if I search, I can find the Doctor who warned of the Monkey Viruses.

No need to shame me, Outsider.

If I check out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncovirus

... there was no research that would allow a cancer virus was available during 1950s/early 60s... certainly nothing lethal...

I'll check out the video shortly...

(Nb Polio vaccine is not generally injected - I got mine on a sugar lump)

[outsider]

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease.

Who says so? Try googling 'Cancer viruses' (but far more informative, read the books 'Me and Lee' and 'Dr Mary's Monkey').

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTmlhQaIeg

"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.

(sentence removed, as I went OTT
Check out your 'science'.
And, on another level, check out how many 'enemies of the State', or 'enemies of the Establishment' (pretty much the same thing in most cases) die of cancer (Penny Lernoux - never heard of her? Check it out; Aaron Russo - how handy for the Rockefeller's, after Nick R. failed in his attempt to recruit Aaron;... plenty more if you search around).
Yes, 'Monkey cancer viruses' were injected in most of us in our polio vaccines; the doctor who tried to blow the whistle was dumped upon and marginalised (can't remember her name now, but if I were you I wouldn't play on that; my memory has always been poor, and gets worse with age).
Yes, if I search, I can find the Doctor who warned of the Monkey Viruses.

No need to shame me, Outsider.

If I check out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncovirus

... there was no research that would allow a cancer virus was available during 1950s/early 60s... certainly nothing lethal...

I'll check out the video shortly...

(Nb Polio vaccine is not generally injected - I got mine on a sugar lump)

Hi scienceplease2;

I'm sorry I got carried away, and will remove the offending words. It was of course pretty tongue-in-cheek. I intended to remove the 'shame' tonight anyway; I had realised it was not warrented.

But if you possibly can, read 'Lee and Me', Judyth Vary Baker, and 'Dr. Mary's Monkey', Ed Haslam.
They (particularly the first) are very good books for Truthers.
Judyth makes a good case that not only was Lee Harvey Oswald not a lone assassin, but that he was not an assassin of JFK at all, and that he was a Government agent (pretty clear from loads of evidence, even without her input).