Anthony Lawson and Jim Hoffman on Truth Revolution Radio

gareth · Post by **gareth** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:48 pm

January 5 2008 show

Deconstructing the No Planes TV Fakery disinformation campaign with guests Anthony Lawson and Jim Hoffman.

September Clues debunked - Full spectrum dominance disinfo - No planers with fake accents - and more!

TRR MP3

http://911review.com
http://911disinformation.com
http://ca.youtube.com/alawson911
http://truthaction.org/debunkingseptemberclues.pdf

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk[/youtube]

chek · Post by **chek** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:12 pm

That was a good show.

I especially liked the lunkhead no planers calling in claiming to be top aero engineers and ex air force etc..

After hearing them speak, I don't think I'd have let them so much as change a fuse without double checking it afterwards.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:05 pm

Please move to 9/11 Controveries

I've been frettened with being banned for deliberately posting in the wrong section. Moderators Chek is promulgating this thread and is a Valid Poster yet this thread is in the wrong section something not right here?

This isnt the fist time people on this forum has been posting anti-NoPlane theads on the front page, if I dont complain about it nothing much gets done, they just get left on the home page its happened about a 6 times, but if I or other No planers post controversal stuff on general then it usualy gets moved strait away.

Will Gareth be getting a PM warning about this?

chek · Post by **chek** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:34 pm

I don't know what the moderator's criteria are, but maybe it's because planes were actually used at the WTC, its not controversial except to a minority sub-sect (with no valid evidence).

But anyone promoting no planes is a controversy - because of their daft claims (with no valid evidence).

ollieb · Post by **ollieb** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:50 pm

The host is sounding like Fox News.As for Lawson he is ex BBC.Funny hows he's defending the media.They're both Popular mecanics

chek · Post by **chek** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:14 pm

ollieb wrote:The host is sounding like Fox News.As for Lawson he is ex BBC.Funny hows he's defending the media.They're both Popular mecanics

Even funnier how some people perceive things.

I wonder if no planers will ever get it that exposing their un-evidenced theory with all its spin off corollaries is not the same as supporting the official story.

ollieb · Post by **ollieb** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:14 am

Chek.....you really hate this stuff.You love Lawson's "work".So I'm assuming you also think this no plane stuff is designed to discredit the truth movement,dissinfo or whatever.The problem I have with this,is simple.Surley, if it was the case that there were no planes,it would leave demolition as the only explaination for the buildings collapsing.And thats the thing you want people to know,is'nt it?So that accusation makes no sence.Just give me a good explaination for that Chek.You have ago too Lawson.

ollieb · Post by **ollieb** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:27 am

Is that gareth?

chek · Post by **chek** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:29 am

ollieb wrote:Chek.....you really hate this stuff. You love Lawson's "work". So I'm assuming you also think this no plane stuff is designed to discredit the truth movement,dissinfo or whatever. The problem I have with this,is simple. Surley, if it was the case that there were no planes, it would leave demolition as the only explaination for the buildings collapsing. And thats the thing you want people to know,is'nt it?So that accusation makes no sence.Just give me a good explaination for that Chek. You have ago too Lawson.

This thread may explain my take on this stuff to you better than a straight reply.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13395

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:47 pm

reading the posts of no-planers, i have to assume that these people are either joking or desperately cretinous.

jfk · Post by **jfk** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:49 pm

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFmmwMopsr0[/youtube]

chek · Post by **chek** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:09 pm

And that's your response is it, jfk?

Making fun of genghis and his total failure to understand perspective and direction in the 3-D world when translated into a 2-D image.... dear God.

What actual point were you trying to make?
Or can't you say till you find a suitable video to link to.

chek · Post by **chek** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:29 pm

Jack wrote:reading the posts of no-planers, i have to assume that these people are either joking or desperately cretinous.

I tend to think of them as the wasting disease of the "truth movement". Though I freely admit that I'm not always feeling that charitable.

Dogsmilk · Post by **Dogsmilk** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:43 pm

chek wrote:
Jack wrote:reading the posts of no-planers, i have to assume that these people are either joking or desperately cretinous.
I tend to think of them as the wasting disease of the "truth movement". Though I freely admit that I'm not always feeling that charitable.

I sometimes find myself wondering if there's something about people who have been raised constantly surrounded by TV, the net and films chock full of CGI; a need to interpret events solely via flat screen images and base everything around what they (think they) see on TV. It interests me that the medium itself is so heavily promoted by wannabe music videos and cack-handed attempts at video titillation. The total output of little films on a narrow and repetitive theme by a small number of people in a short space of time is pretty immense. Perhaps I'm talking sh!te, but I think a sociologist would certainly get a paper out of it.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:32 am

Stephen wrote:Please move to 9/11 Controveries

I've been frettened with being banned for deliberately posting in the wrong section. Moderators Chek is promulgating this thread and is a Valid Poster yet this thread is in the wrong section something not right here?

This isnt the fist time people on this forum has been posting anti-NoPlane theads on the front page, if I dont complain about it nothing much gets done, they just get left on the home page its happened about a 6 times, but if I or other No planers post controversal stuff on general then it usualy gets moved strait away.

Will Gareth be getting a PM warning about this?

I've made a mistake with complaining on this thread, sorry Gareth.

Alulim · Post by **Alulim** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:22 pm

I have trouble listening to Cosmos at all, but I've decided to suffer through it in order to hear what Jim Hoffman had to say. So far I have no reason (beyond his affirmation of Arabesque) to question Jim's credibility.

One thing that strikes me right off is Cosmos is pushing "In Their Own Words" just before he dives into "no planes and TV fakery". I have serious misgivings about the message of the video he's promoting. IIRC it's promoting the fall-back story. That would make a pretty good shtick. Set up your subtle disinfo juxtaposed with blatant disinfo so that yours appears to be credible info in comparison.

gareth · Post by **gareth** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:29 pm

Alulim wrote: ..One thing that strikes me right off is Cosmos is pushing "In Their Own Words" just before he dives into "no planes and TV fakery". I have serious misgivings about the message of the video he's promoting. IIRC it's promoting the fall-back story. That would make a pretty good shtick. Set up your subtle disinfo juxtaposed with blatant disinfo so that yours appears to be credible info in comparison.

From the Press for Truth website

In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground hit. It exposed the story of the "Jersey Girls" and their allies -- the 9/11 families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing 70% of their questions answered.
IN THEIR OWN WORDS: THE UNTOLD STORIES OF THE 9/11 FAMILIES is the new, official companion DVD to 9/11 Press For Truth. Over 2 hours of unseen families' interviews and rare news clips originally intended for inclusion in the movie ended up on the cutting room floor -- until now.

A unique, balanced look at a diverse group of topics includes:

- Top officials' whereabouts and changing stories on the day of 9/11
- Insider trading before the attacks
- War games coinciding with Sept. 11th
- A confrontation between the families and FBI Director Mueller
- British reports that some of the hijackers named by the FBI are simply wrong
- Government whistleblowers' calls for accountability
- The FBI informant who lived with 2 of the hijackers
- A Defense Department program that identified 4 hijackers in 2000
- The families' push to receive the Pentagon crash tapes
- Bin Laden extradition negotiations after 9/11
- The Project For the New American Century
- And much more...

In Their Own Words on google video

Press For Truth on google video

Apart from your other nonsense i'd like to know what information in either Press For Truth or In Their Own Words is deliberately incorrect or misleading? I ask because i've found both films to be the best introductions for newcomers to these matters and i'm interested in why you would associate either of them with the term 'subtle disinfo'.

Please explain...

Alulim · Post by **Alulim** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:27 pm

I am NOT saying any of the victims' family members are intending to mislead. I will have to review ITOW before I say too much more, but I do recall having the sense that the producer was cobbling together pieces in order to produce a whole which would likely not have represented the opinions of the contributors.

I have recommended Press for Truth, and will continue to do so. I believe it is flawed in so much as it leans too much toward LIHOP with Islamakazi terrorists. OTOH, there is more than enough BS about what happened in Afghanistan that calling attention to it is a worthy cause.

gareth · Post by **gareth** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:31 pm

Alulim wrote:I am NOT saying any of the victims' family members are intending to mislead.

I didn't say you said any of the victims family members were intending to mislead. Rather i asked you what information in the film was deliberately incorrect, misleading or as you say... 'subtle disinfo'.

If the best you've got is a...

Alulim wrote:...sense that the producer was cobbling together pieces in order to produce a whole which would likely not have represented the opinions of the contributors

..then i would ask you to reconsider what you label 'subtle disinfo'. I haven't heard of one single complaint about the film from those involved regarding being misrepresented. Unless you know otherwise.....?

Michael Wolsey interviews the Executive producer of In Their Own Words, Kyle Hence (mp3)

Michael Wolsey interviews 9-11 family member Bob McIlvaine (mp3)

9/11 Family Members Patty Casazza And Bob McIlvaine 11/3/2007 Hartford Conference Transcript

9/11 Truth Tuesdays "Special Night" - 1/29/2008 featuring Bob McIlvaine, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg

Alulim · Post by **Alulim** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:02 pm

Small world.

gruts · Post by **gruts** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:06 pm

Dogsmilk wrote:I sometimes find myself wondering if there's something about people who have been raised constantly surrounded by TV, the net and films chock full of CGI; a need to interpret events solely via flat screen images and base everything around what they (think they) see on TV.

you reminded me of this golden oldie....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOWTM5R2DA

Alulim · Post by **Alulim** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:27 pm

Something I wrote around 1980. A couple years after I had stopped watching TV.

Hypnovision

It fills you full of bs
At thirty frames per second
Whilst protraying the illusion
That the hero always wins

A sudden pause for a brief message
Post-hypnotically suggested
And the daemon wins again

Used to pacify your children
And to pass your own free-time
You live in television
And you loose your own free mind

Anthony Lawson · Post by **Anthony Lawson** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 am

Getting it Wrong

ollieb:
First, you have deduced, from my voice, I assume, that I am ex-BBC. Wrong. I am not; I just like to talk proper, like my mum taught me to. So what else are you wrong about?

ollieb wrote:Chek.....you really hate this stuff.You love Lawson's "work".So I'm assuming you also think this no plane stuff is designed to discredit the truth movement,dissinfo or whatever.The problem I have with this,is simple.Surley, if it was the case that there were no planes,it would leave demolition as the only explaination for the buildings collapsing.And thats the thing you want people to know,is'nt it?So that accusation makes no sence.Just give me a good explaination for that Chek.You have ago too Lawson.

There were planes, but controlled demolitions caused the buildings to collapse, not the planes.

Why do you consider that a scenario which excludes planes is the only scenario which allows for controlled demolitions?

You might like to consider using a spell-check and grammar utility, when you post your answer. Low-tech dictionaries work.

gruts · Post by **gruts** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:36 pm

gareth wrote:[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 4007973679[/GVideo]

thanks for posting this - I've only just got round to watching it and thought it was every bit as good as "9/11 Press For Truth".

Anthony Lawson · Post by **Anthony Lawson** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:50 am

Download?

gruts wrote: thanks for posting this - I've only just got round to watching it and thought it was every bit as good as "9/11 Press For Truth".

Does anyone know if there is a downloadable version of this video that can be saved to disc?

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:40 pm

Anthony Lawson wrote:Download?
gruts wrote: thanks for posting this - I've only just got round to watching it and thought it was every bit as good as "9/11 Press For Truth".
Does anyone know if there is a downloadable version of this video that can be saved to disc?

If any one does download it, please pm me because I'd also love a copy.

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