Roadrunner
Once again you have a golden opportunity to convince people of your theories - as you have just made several claims which you also say you have evidence to prove, so perhaps you could support them with said evidence and the conversation can actually start going somewhere:
1) Please link for us the testimony of the actor, so that we can confirm he has retracted (I believe you - but we want this all presented in an evidential manner) - and more importantly hear what he claims his motives were - i.e. getting his face on TV perhaps because he was an actor - or whether he admits to being part of a media fakery campaign to cover up a no-planes plot.
2) In terms of us knowing as a fact that the planes did not fly on that day - I don't believe we have established this yet - could you present the full body of evidence for this please? You said yesterday that the "official position" of American Airlines was that they didn't fly - have you contacted them by phone to make sure this really is their official position yet? If not could you do so and let us know what they say. If it can be established that both flights did not fly, it is of course equally useful to all views of 9/11 - not just NPT - however I am not convinced it will.
3) You claim we have strong evidence for the taping off of the areas of NY the debris from the planes was found in. Can you present us this strong evidence so we can judge its validity for ourselves please?
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genghis6199
so i registered to talk to u guys jennifer said
that somewhere in here there might be someone worth salvaging, so i'll give it a go.
my synicism, isn't all fair as i've had a gutfull of forum wars as you might have guessed.
so i'll try and give u guys a quick answer to everything i see here
and get on my way. i'll come back and see if there's anything worth responding to ,
debate is not a problem. PEOPLE'S ATTITUDE SOMETIMES IS.
I completely agree. I have said many times that this no plane issue could be a genuine debate if posters like Fred not launched onto this forum with the intent of attacking and insulting everyone who disagreed with him, or even asked him simple questions, several other posters have continued in the same vein, throwing mud and making accusations that anyone who didn't believe them were cointelpro.
Sadly this has left legacy of distrust for posters at the 9/11 Research forum and Killtown forum, many who have followed in Fred's footsteps and some who have probably tried to be polite but are suffering for the sins of the father.
Here's hoping that you can lead this debate into a civilised area, where our questions about NPT will be answered with evidence, not with insults or by simply being ignored.
Best of luck to you.
firstly pepe. you are disgusting individual.
does everyone here know that you constantly email jennifer
begging for her phone number?.
then you come here and act like shes' scum ?.
and ridicule her?.
you should take a chill bro and think about your
attitude to the human race before you worry too much
about 911.
Pepe's childish threats had no place here, he has now been ejected.
john white, your first question is half valid.
'if they had one still or video yadda yadda'
MEDIA CONTROL. you are ignoring the very cornerstone
of the idea. lots of videos showed no plane,
but they were handed to the media [umm hello].
at which point the men in black would have seen it first.
planes added in, or they were thrown in the bin.
or you could have read my post that jennifer quoted where i state
This is an interesting claim - that lots of amateur camera owners actually are out there demanding people acknowledge that their videos showed explosions and not planes, while the world ignores them.
Could you list them please?
If the amateur footage we have was infact, to start with, no planes footage - where are the cries of dismay from those people who taped them?
I remember NPT/Fakery proponents claiming Fairbanks was stating this - when in fact he was saying it "looked unreal" WHEN HE FILMED IT not that what the authorities did to his film was to present something unreal.
So please, do bring us the names of all of the recorders of no planes footage currently campaigning around the fact that their videos were doctored.
"we don't all believe they are all fake"
because i actually believe some are real.
Great!
I've actually asked this question in the "I'm No Troll" thread and so far had no answers -
What I was looking for was a simple run down of what was faked and what wasn't -
For example - a lot of you believe not just planes were inserted but entire sky lines and buildings
at the same time, when you see something in a video you want to be there (such as a helicopter you can claim is a missile) then the video is definitely real.
I'm not aiming any of this at you personally, but since you seem to be a NPT/Fakery proponent who is happy to actually stand behind his claims rather than run away when questions are asked, maybe you'd like to answer?
but this is where after reading this thread i really don't think you guys
are interested in discussing it.
REALLY? Take a second look - posts from several posters here have made every attempt to present lucid counter points to the NPT/Fakery scenario -
this is where a debate should start.
A problem, a recurring problem, I have found with internet chat rooms in general is that no one seems to understand what a debate actually is -
For a start it requires more than one view point - the audience for both sides are those reading it - in some rare cases you may win over the person you are debating but that is not the point - the point is to show that your viewpoint holds up against interrogation and win over the people observing the debate.
A lot of NPT/Fakery people who have come here have made a few claims, and then when other have challenged the claim they have said this makes them "trolls" and they didn't debate with "trolls" - well if the definition of a "troll" is someone with an opposing opinion - how can a debate ever happen?
I hope you don't fall into this trap as well.
you guys seem to be asking the same banal loaded debate team questions that
can't be aimed at true research. i have 300 videos on you toob guys.
my ideas are well laid out.
Such as?
The questions we ask are the natural questions that arise from the things you are proposing - failure to answer them only fuels suspicion that you aren't serious about your ideas and are just trying to cause division.
I'm not aiming that at you - just letting you know what the general perception is.
Now you have 300 YT videos. Well done. Doesn't mean a whole lot to me to be honest with you, unless you are willing to counter criticisms aimed at the points you make in them and prove them to be valid.
I could post a thousand videos claiming the moon is made of cheese - the point wouldn't get more valid with each video I posted.
if you want to look at them and debate some of the more finite issues i'd be happy to.
but you guys are still asking some really naive broad questions
as if the media wouldn't lie to you.
that kind of thinking i thought was left behind long ago.
and it is not debate worthy, for my part.
No ones saying the media won't lie to us - we all know they will - we are looking for some evidence behind the claims that they have deceived us in this case in the way you describe.
You talk about broad statements….
but to be honest guys it's really hard to find a serious question in here.
Non-serious questions should be even easier to answer.
I've already given you one question above - which originators of the amateur footage are claiming that planes were superimposed onto it - a claim you have made.
Here's another one for you
1)a) Do you claim that a plane cannot penetrate a steel framed building?
b) If yes, then how do you square this claim with the fact that exactly this occurred at the Empire State Building which was also clad in stone?
If that's not a serious question - bat it away and we'll get on to something meatier.
i'm happy to debate it, but after dealing with so many small minded people
for 18 months my attention span for fools is quite thin.
i totally accept that you might not believe the same things as me, that's cool.
i don't think less of you and hope that one day you will see what we are saying.
but until then i wish you well,
and hope that the current hate you guys have towards us chills out soon
it's getting kinda old. we're taken seriously now.
peace.
You are?
Where?
As far as I know this is the last remaining major 911 truth site which doesn't ban 9/11Researchers/Killtown Forum people from posting - and none of you seem to want to do anything here but call everyone shills and trolls.
You claim you are different - great - good to have you here. Look through the 9/11 controversies board and attend to some of the dozens of ignored questions your partners in theory refuse to acknowledge.