The 7/7 Bus Bomb

[karlos]

This is copied and pasted from:

http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/#6

We are told that Hasib Hussain started from King’s Cross Thameslink station, and was seen on a number 91 bus travelling West along Euston Road to Euston Station, where he caught the number 30 bus, that would have then travelled East, back along Euston Road retracing his steps, back to where he started from at King’s Cross, if it had not been diverted into Tavistock Square. Why would someone carrying a large, heavy backpack do that, unless he was following a script, written by someone who knew, in advance, that that particular number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, would be diverted into Tavistock Square, and that Hasib Hussain would therefore not be able to get on it at King’s Cross Thameslink, which is where he had arrived at, on the train from Luton? Only someone who is a stranger to London would do that without asking why, because it is a totally illogical thing to do, for someone who knows London, and knows that the number 30 bus goes past King’s Cross Thameslink station, so that they could have caught it there, instead. It would be a complete waste, of time, energy, money, and an unnecessary risk to take, and thus a totally illogical thing for a real terrorist to do.


It now gets unbelievably weird, because the number 91 bus, that Hasib Hussain is reported to have taken from King’s Cross, along Euston Road to Euston Station; to board the number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, that got diverted into Tavistock Square; actually goes to Tavistock Square. So, if he wanted to get to Tavistock Square, he could just have stayed on the number 91 bus, and been sure of getting directly to Tavistock Square. The number 91 bus route goes from King’s Cross to Tavistock Square.


That is conclusive proof that that particular number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, was part of Peter Power and his customer’s mock-terrorist drill, pre-rigged with explosives, like the three tube-trains, and was pre-planned to be diverted into, and blown up in, Tavistock Square, rather than blown up by a backpack bomb. Whoever planned this, obviously planned to kill Hasib Hussain with that bus explosion, so he could not tell anyone what had happened, just as they had planned to kill the other three Muslim actors with the explosions on the three tube-trains.


At 09.00 AM a number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, left Marble Arch on its return journey to Hackney Wick. It arrived at Euston Bus Station at 09.35 AM, but was then diverted from its normal route, into Tavistock Square, and stopped outside the medical offices of the BMA, where it was blown up, at 09.47 AM, as part of the terrorist exercise gone live. This also fits with the BBC Panorama mock-terrorist programme of May 2004, where the explosion of a road vehicle was scheduled to take place AFTER the three tube-train explosions.

This BBC mock terror programme featured Peter Power and was based around the bombing of 3 tube stations and a chlorine tanker
Surely not another prophetic coincidence?

[Muncher]

This BBC mock terror programme featured Peter Power and was based around the bombing of 3 tube stations and a chlorine tanker
Surely not another prophetic coincidence?

A transcript of the programme can be found here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi ... attack.txt

There is also an incomplete copy of the programme on the eDonkey network. If anyone knows where a complete copy can be found please let me know.

[Nick Cooper]

That is conclusive proof that that particular number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, was part of Peter Power and his customer’s mock-terrorist drill, pre-rigged with explosives, like the three tube-trains, and was pre-planned to be diverted into, and blown up in, Tavistock Square, rather than blown up by a backpack bomb.

Would you care to identify another such "drill" which not only used real explosives, but actually deonated them in a public place? More to the point, would you care to identify any such assumed widescale or complex exercise in which the public were not made aware what was going on and suitably prevented from getting mixed up in it? The fact is that you are suggesting that what you claim Power was doing is unlike anything that has ever been done before or since.

Whoever planned this, obviously planned to kill Hasib Hussain with that bus explosion, so he could not tell anyone what had happened, just as they had planned to kill the other three Muslim actors with the explosions on the three tube-trains.

If, as you suggest, the bomb was already on the bus, and not carried by Hussein, then how could it be guaranteed that he would be killed?

At 09.00 AM a number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, left Marble Arch on its return journey to Hackney Wick. It arrived at Euston Bus Station at 09.35 AM, but was then diverted from its normal route, into Tavistock Square, and stopped outside the medical offices of the BMA, where it was blown up, at 09.47 AM, as part of the terrorist exercise gone live. This also fits with the BBC Panorama mock-terrorist programme of May 2004, where the explosion of a road vehicle was scheduled to take place AFTER the three tube-train explosions.

It may have escaped your notice, but the BBC did not actually blow anything up for Panorama in the manner you are suggesting happened on 7/7.

This BBC mock terror programme featured Peter Power and was based around the bombing of 3 tube stations and a chlorine tanker
Surely not another prophetic coincidence?

Or that whoever was behind the bombs on 7/7 previously saw the programme and thought, "that's a good scenario, we'll go for that one"? Part of the inspiration for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was the Royal Navy's surprise attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto. Nobody would see that as grounds for suggesting that the Royal Navy had a hand in Pearl Harbor.

[The Watcher]

Staraker asked:

If, as you suggest, the bomb was already on the bus, and not carried by Hussein, then how could it be guaranteed that he would be killed?

Where is the evidence that Hasib Hussain was actually on the No.30 bus?

Where is the evidence that Hasib or any of the other alleged perpetrators were actually in London on the morning of July 7th, 2005?

How is it that the bomb detonates at the back of the bus, the roof gets blown clean off, the front destination board gets blown out but at least 12 upper deck 'passengers' show no sign of any injury or even damage to their clothes?

The Watcher

[guzman]

Staraker asked:

If, as you suggest, the bomb was already on the bus, and not carried by Hussein, then how could it be guaranteed that he would be killed?

Where is the evidence that Hasib Hussain was actually on the No.30 bus?

Where is the evidence that Hasib or any of the other alleged perpetrators were actually in London on the morning of July 7th, 2005?

I agree that there's a complete lack of credible evidence to show that Hussain was on the bus.

How is it that the bomb detonates at the back of the bus, the roof gets blown clean off, the front destination board gets blown out but at least 12 upper deck 'passengers' show no sign of any injury or even damage to their clothes?

The Watcher

I think the bus roof is made of quite flimsy material, which is why it was blown off relatively easily.

This story illustrates how easily a bus roof comes off in a violent crash.

Even though several of the passengers showed no outward sign of injury they eventually succumbed to internal injuries caused by the blast wave. Most of the surviving passengers were left with perforated eardrums.

[Nick Cooper]

How is it that the bomb detonates at the back of the bus, the roof gets blown clean off, the front destination board gets blown out but at least 12 upper deck 'passengers' show no sign of any injury or even damage to their clothes?

The Watcher

I think the bus roof is made of quite flimsy material, which is why it was blown off relatively easily.

This story illustrates how easily a bus roof comes off in a violent crash.

Indeed. Bus roofs are just held on by the windows and the (relatively) thin frames between them. Partial or total shearing is a not uncommon occurance when drivers take wrong turns and come up against an unforgiving low bridge. A very recent example, with picture:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7077725.stm (04/11/07 - London)

[numeral]

How is it that the bomb detonates at the back of the bus, the roof gets blown clean off, the front destination board gets blown out but at least 12 upper deck 'passengers' show no sign of any injury or even damage to their clothes?

The Watcher

I think the bus roof is made of quite flimsy material, which is why it was blown off relatively easily.

This story illustrates how easily a bus roof comes off in a violent crash.

Indeed. Bus roofs are just held on by the windows and the (relatively) thin frames between them. Partial or total shearing is a not uncommon occurance when drivers take wrong turns and come up against an unforgiving low bridge. A very recent example, with picture:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7077725.stm (04/11/07 - London)

Easy to do then. Evidence that Hasib Hussain was on the bus?

[karlos]

Staraker, that passage was copied from the weblink attached.

The point is, why would the 18 year old alleged bomber get the bus 91 and then the bus 30 when he could have got the bus 30 directly from Kings Cross Thameslink?
It makes no sense.
Myself i believe the whole 7/7 story is a cooked up rehash of the BBC programme from 2004.
ICTS/Fortress GB was probably the'client' of the drills.
The same day as the 7/7 London drills according to Webster Tarpley there were simultaneous drills in the usa and canada.

Reports from people like the accountant Mr Lee suggests that his office was being evacuated BEFORE the bomb went off

[Nick Cooper]

Staraker, that passage was copied from the weblink attached.

The point is, why would the 18 year old alleged bomber get the bus 91 and then the bus 30 when he could have got the bus 30 directly from Kings Cross Thameslink?
It makes no sense.

How would an out-of-towner be expected to know which bus went where. Hell, even I have very little idea of the bus routes outisde of the areas in which I live or work.

Myself i believe the whole 7/7 story is a cooked up rehash of the BBC programme from 2004.

Except for the completely different stations and the absence of a chlorine tanker, of course.

ICTS/Fortress GB was probably the'client' of the drills.
The same day as the 7/7 London drills according to Webster Tarpley there were simultaneous drills in the usa and canada.

Reports from people like the accountant Mr Lee suggests that his office was being evacuated BEFORE the bomb went off

I would beg to differ on that interpretation.

[karlos]

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

[Prole]

Staraker, that passage was copied from the weblink attached.

The point is, why would the 18 year old alleged bomber get the bus 91 and then the bus 30 when he could have got the bus 30 directly from Kings Cross Thameslink?
It makes no sense.

How would an out-of-towner be expected to know which bus went where. Hell, even I have very little idea of the bus routes outisde of the areas in which I live or work.

So you don't agree with DAC Clarke who claimed that the 28/6 was a dummy-run?

London bombers staged 'dummy run'

CCTV footage of 7 July bombers during their practice run outside Luton station

Newly released CCTV footage shows the 7 July London bombers staged a practice run nine days before the attack.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's Anti-Terrorist Branch, said: "What we want to know is where else they went and did they meet anybody else while they were in London?

The new footage shows the three men travelling to King's Cross from Luton station on 28 June

"If any member of the public thinks that they know something about the movement of these men on that day, they should call us on the anti-terrorist hotline."

He added that it was "part of a terrorist's methodology" to check timings, lay-out and security precautions.

[Nick Cooper]

Staraker, that passage was copied from the weblink attached.

The point is, why would the 18 year old alleged bomber get the bus 91 and then the bus 30 when he could have got the bus 30 directly from Kings Cross Thameslink?
It makes no sense.

How would an out-of-towner be expected to know which bus went where. Hell, even I have very little idea of the bus routes outisde of the areas in which I live or work.

So you don't agree with DAC Clarke who claimed that the 28/6 was a dummy-run?

London bombers staged 'dummy run'

CCTV footage of 7 July bombers during their practice run outside Luton station

Newly released CCTV footage shows the 7 July London bombers staged a practice run nine days before the attack.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's Anti-Terrorist Branch, said: "What we want to know is where else they went and did they meet anybody else while they were in London?

The new footage shows the three men travelling to King's Cross from Luton station on 28 June

"If any member of the public thinks that they know something about the movement of these men on that day, they should call us on the anti-terrorist hotline."

He added that it was "part of a terrorist's methodology" to check timings, lay-out and security precautions.

I would suggest that being up on the exact the intricacies of every single bus route in the area wouldn't be expected to be included in that.

[Prole]

How would an out-of-towner be expected to know which bus went where. Hell, even I have very little idea of the bus routes outisde of the areas in which I live or work.

So you don't agree with DAC Clarke who claimed that the 28/6 was a dummy-run?

London bombers staged 'dummy run'

CCTV footage of 7 July bombers during their practice run outside Luton station

Newly released CCTV footage shows the 7 July London bombers staged a practice run nine days before the attack.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's Anti-Terrorist Branch, said: "What we want to know is where else they went and did they meet anybody else while they were in London?

The new footage shows the three men travelling to King's Cross from Luton station on 28 June

"If any member of the public thinks that they know something about the movement of these men on that day, they should call us on the anti-terrorist hotline."

He added that it was "part of a terrorist's methodology" to check timings, lay-out and security precautions.

I would suggest that being up on the exact the intricacies of every single bus route in the area wouldn't be expected to be included in that.

Any thoughts on why Hasib wasn't present on the 28/6 while this 'dummy dummy-run' was supposedly taking place?

[karlos]

28/6 was a dummy run ofcourse, but not in the literal sense.
These guys were told by their handlers to make the trip. 3 of them did 28/6. But this was either a drill or a trial or a recruitment exercise. They were duped by somebody.

On 7/7 we would expect to see the same type of footage but either as the researcher claims they were too late because the train was cancelled and so the cctv was useless because it was timestamped or they were not there in London at all and were killed elsewhere. Such as the two shot in Docklands.

[blackcat]

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

I think Stelios is asking Staraker. Any takers?

[The Watcher]

Stelios asked:

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

This particular #30 bus was selected so that the real perpetrators could leave their Calling Card ... for those with the eyes to see it!

Outright Terror ...

Bold & Brilliant...

There was nothing random about the selection of this vehicle.

The Watcher

[conspiracy analyst]

How is it that the bomb detonates at the back of the bus, the roof gets blown clean off, the front destination board gets blown out but at least 12 upper deck 'passengers' show no sign of any injury or even damage to their clothes?

The Watcher

If you ever go to the theatre or see how a tv programme is made there is an answer to your question.

There were probably three explosions on that bus not one. Because there was one suicide bomber that doesn't mean he had one bomb, he could have been carrying three. Here I am infected with Starakerness.

That why the got rid of the evidence.

[Nick Cooper]

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

Because it was pre-arranged that the fourth device would be used at a set time - i.e. approximately an hour after the previous ones? Maybe there weren't "enough" people on the 91?

[Nick Cooper]

Stelios asked:

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

This particular #30 bus was selected so that the real perpetrators could leave their Calling Card ... for those with the eyes to see it!

Outright Terror ...

Bold & Brilliant...

There was nothing random about the selection of this vehicle.

So you think it was the only bus in London on that day with a advertisement for the film The Descent on the side? The film opened on 8 July and such advertising was widespread in the capital. This page muses on the subsequent media use of images of the advert on other buses.

[The Watcher]

What are the chances of:

1). Outright Terror ... Bold & Brilliant

2). The date of the event being encapsulated in the bus serial # 17758

3). The driver casually walking away from the incident (as caught on camera).

4). The driver disappearing for approx 90mins before turning up at a West London hospital, seven miles from Tavistock Square.

5). At least one witness to the event (Richard Jones) being proven to be a 'plant'.

6). None of the upper deck 'survivors' coming forward (despite large sums of money being offered by at least one tabloid).

7). No evidence for Hasib Hussain being on the bus.

. Random posters turning up on this forum, relieving RN fron her lonely task, to fight a rear guard (Rear Task?) action in defence of the OCT!

It is very apparent that there are two parallel versions of concensus reality emerging in the world today. The version that we sign up to may well determine the next stage of the evolutionary process.

The Watcher

[guzman]

So you don't agree with DAC Clarke who claimed that the 28/6 was a dummy-run?

I would suggest that being up on the exact the intricacies of every single bus route in the area wouldn't be expected to be included in that.

Any thoughts on why Hasib wasn't present on the 28/6 while this 'dummy dummy-run' was supposedly taking place?

Perhaps he forgot his drivers license.

[guzman]

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

Because it was pre-arranged that the fourth device would be used at a set time - i.e. approximately an hour after the previous ones? Maybe there weren't "enough" people on the 91?

The official narrative and the media speculate that it was pre-arranged for them to form a 'burning cross' and that Hussain was to take the northern line. So not a bus and not an hour later either.

[Nick Cooper]

Excuse me stating the obvious, why wouldnt a suicide bomber simply blow himself up on the number 91?
Why not?

Because it was pre-arranged that the fourth device would be used at a set time - i.e. approximately an hour after the previous ones? Maybe there weren't "enough" people on the 91?

The official narrative and the media speculate that it was pre-arranged for them to form a 'burning cross' and that Hussain was to take the northern line. So not a bus and not an hour later either.

But then, that is just speculation. The media also speculated that the bus bomb was intended to provide a visible "above ground" scene for the news, which would not have been the case for the Underground bombs.

[Prole]

Because it was pre-arranged that the fourth device would be used at a set time - i.e. approximately an hour after the previous ones? Maybe there weren't "enough" people on the 91?

If Hasib Hussain really intended to kill 'enough people', the back of the top deck would be the least likely place to trigger a bomb.

[Nick Cooper]

Because it was pre-arranged that the fourth device would be used at a set time - i.e. approximately an hour after the previous ones? Maybe there weren't "enough" people on the 91?

If Hasib Hussain really intended to kill 'enough people', the back of the top deck would be the least likely place to trigger a bomb.

Or that was the only place with spare seats upon boarding. Or it was thought to be the least conspicuous place to wait until the appointed time. I suspect that if you asked 20 people to say where they thought the "best" place to detonate a bomb on a bus was, you would get at least ten different answers.

[Prole]

Because it was pre-arranged that the fourth device would be used at a set time - i.e. approximately an hour after the previous ones? Maybe there weren't "enough" people on the 91?

If Hasib Hussain really intended to kill 'enough people', the back of the top deck would be the least likely place to trigger a bomb.

Or that was the only place with spare seats upon boarding. Or it was thought to be the least conspicuous place to wait until the appointed time. I suspect that if you asked 20 people to say where they thought the "best" place to detonate a bomb on a bus was, you would get at least ten different answers.

I suspect not one of those answers would be the back of the top deck. Unless of course the intention is to splatter blood over the front of the BMA.

[karlos]

I dont think the issue of BEST place or best bombs should be worried about.
None of the bombs were set off or placed in the most 'optimum' locations.

More the point is according to the official narative why would a person get onto one bus then change to another and not set off the bomb on the first one?
The official story makes no sense it is simply being cooked up to fit the reality. The number 30 runs past Kings X Thameslink and anyone getting on would not have known the bus was being diverted. His alleged journey involved him going westwards on the number 91 the getting on a number 30 and heading straight back in the exact opposite direction EAST. does that sound at all plausible or logical?

[Nick Cooper]

I dont think the issue of BEST place or best bombs should be worried about.
None of the bombs were set off or placed in the most 'optimum' locations.

More the point is according to the official narative why would a person get onto one bus then change to another and not set off the bomb on the first one?
The official story makes no sense it is simply being cooked up to fit the reality. The number 30 runs past Kings X Thameslink and anyone getting on would not have known the bus was being diverted. His alleged journey involved him going westwards on the number 91 the getting on a number 30 and heading straight back in the exact opposite direction EAST. does that sound at all plausible or logical?

Entirely, if they were "killing time," of if - in ignorance - they got on the wrong bus initially.

[conspiracy analyst]

I dont think the issue of BEST place or best bombs should be worried about.
None of the bombs were set off or placed in the most 'optimum' locations.

More the point is according to the official narative why would a person get onto one bus then change to another and not set off the bomb on the first one?
The official story makes no sense it is simply being cooked up to fit the reality. The number 30 runs past Kings X Thameslink and anyone getting on would not have known the bus was being diverted. His alleged journey involved him going westwards on the number 91 the getting on a number 30 and heading straight back in the exact opposite direction EAST. does that sound at all plausible or logical?

I've heard of the travelling circus.
This story is about the travelling 'suicide bomber'?

Made up stories need no logic. They are made up.
Anything goes anything can be said and no logic needs to be applied.

You can be a happily married man and suddenly become a 'suicide bomber' cos the checkpoints sorry checkouts at ASDA are too harsh when growing up or they didn't serve halal chicken in school canteens and you became an alienated rebel.

The Hollywood writers aren't really on strike.
They are alive and well when justifying every illogical stupidity of the events of 7/7.

[Nick Cooper]

What are the chances of:

1). Outright Terror ... Bold & Brilliant

The fact that the media were able to quickly come up with other pictures of other buses with the same poster reflects how prevalent they were at the time - as I have said, the film opened the day after, and pre-publicity was widespread.

2). The date of the event being encapsulated in the bus serial # 17758

Why would this be anything other than coincidental?

3). The driver casually walking away from the incident (as caught on camera).

You read "casual," most people would read "shock."

4). The driver disappearing for approx 90mins before turning up at a West London hospital, seven miles from Tavistock Square.

Shock. Also, there is a possibility one journalist - from which all other mentions of this stem - mistook that hospital for one just round the corner from Tavistock Square, due to their similar names.

5). At least one witness to the event (Richard Jones) being proven to be a 'plant'.

Nobody has "proved" anything of the sort.

6). None of the upper deck 'survivors' coming forward (despite large sums of money being offered by at least one tabloid).

So? If I'd been involved in a traumatic event in which I may well have died, my first inclination would be to tell the Sun and its ilk to fúck off, no matter how much money they were offering.

7). No evidence for Hasib Hussain being on the bus.

The police say otherwise.

. Random posters turning up on this forum, relieving RN fron her lonely task, to fight a rear guard (Rear Task?) action in defence of the OCT!

RN wasn't posting here when I started. The name I use is one that can be linked to me in the area of one of my other interests since 1986, which kind of pisses on your faux anagramtic efforts (although someone whose nickname includes the letters to make up the word "twat" should probably steer clear of such activities). Still, it is a rather apt illustration of a mindset - so prevalent here - for people to see what they want to see.