David Shayler - Manchurian Candidate?

Post by **TonyGosling** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:52 pm

Dave Shayler on More Four News Thursday 10th August 2007

lets see how he gets on
what is this about???
Check it! Record it! I can't

Previous discussion around Daves 'coming out' at the Glasonbury Symposium 10 days before
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=10579

mark_e · Post by **mark_e** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:52 pm

i missed this, tony. what did he have to say?

The Watcher · Post by **The Watcher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:59 pm

What else is there to say?

Shayler pronounces himself to be the new Messiah on More4.

Brilliant ... absolutely brilliant! I salute the players who pulled off this cunning stunt!

The Watcher

JimB · Post by **JimB** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:05 pm

Behold, the foremost UK spokesman of your non-movement speaks!

David:"Do I sound mentally ill?"
Everyone else: "Errrrr......"

WATCH ONLINE HERE

Edit: This board is featured in the report.

PaulStott · Post by **PaulStott** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:14 pm

mark_e wrote:i missed this, tony. what did he have to say?

Quite a lot!

here's a report for you:

http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwat ... y-who.html

JimB · Post by **JimB** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:24 pm

Edit: Message removed due to threads merge.

Thermate911 · Post by **Thermate911** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:46 pm

PaulStott wrote:
mark_e wrote:i missed this, tony. what did he have to say?
Quite a lot!

here's a report for you:

http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwat ... y-who.html

How could you could possibly call that a 'report'?

Looks more like a vapid and rather bitchy character assassination to me.

Now what was it ex-Chairman Kean had to say about 'his' commission last year?

Let's stick to the facts, please. Personalities have no place in court, whereas Rockefeller, Cheney and crew most certainly do...

kbo234 · Post by **kbo234** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:59 pm

If David has progressed from being one of our foremost spokespersons to performing miracles I think we might put forward a few suggestions for his next one.

What about his casting a spell on the BBC that they produce a candid documentary investigating the collapse of building 7....?

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:10 pm

Dont really want to be the one who states the obvious.

I dont think he sounds or looks mentally ill
i think he knows exactly what he is doing
NOBBLING the movement and giving the UK campaign it's last rites.
Watch the film, where did they get all the graphics from, it must have all been laid out well in advance.
Anyone who associates with him will be tarred with the same brush and will never be taken seriously again.

Mentally ill would be an excuse. This is an act of deliberate and calculating cunning, and i am afraid we are the patsies. I read on the other topic many people sticking up for him and praising him and even denying he had said what he had.
Well they cant deny it any more.

outsider · Post by **outsider** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:10 pm

Ah, well, looks like we'll have to limp along without David, lads and lassies! Guess we'll manage! But thanks for your help while you were with us, Dave. Looks like the 'occult', which you battled, has sucked you in.

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:13 pm

Does this mean that Word Trade Centre Building 7 was demolished by Al Qaeeda after all ?

Was Shayler "meditating" when the BBC reported that WTC7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it, erm, collapsed ?

This could explain things . . .

John White · Post by **John White** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:15 pm

Thermate911 wrote:
PaulStott wrote:
mark_e wrote:i missed this, tony. what did he have to say?
Quite a lot!

here's a report for you:

http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cultwat ... y-who.html
How could you could possibly call that a 'report'?

Looks more like a vapid and rather bitchy character assassination to me.

Now what was it ex-Chairman Kean had to say about 'his' commission last year?

Let's stick to the facts, please. Personalities have no place in court, whereas Rockefeller, Cheney and crew most certainly do...

Vampire's can't help but suck: 'Tis their nature

John White · Post by **John White** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:15 pm

JimB wrote:Behold, the foremost UK spokesman of your non-movement speaks!

David:"Do I sound mentally ill?"
Everyone else: "Errrrr......"

WATCH ONLINE HERE

Edit: This board is featured in the report.

I can never get sound on that C4 Java browser: anyone got another version?

Post by **TonyGosling** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:18 pm

More Four didn't give him the Terry Wogan treatment

He got a very easy ride.
An ethical bit of journlism, resisting the temptation to ridicule.

Dave said he was 'the teacher' but didn't have anything much to say about the War on Freedom. Was that bit lost in the edit? Or lost in the self-obsession? Who knows?

It would certainly be useful to be able to download this if anyone can help.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/u ... hic/664847

The Watcher · Post by **The Watcher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:43 pm

My initial sympathy with David's condition is dissipating at a rapid rate of knots. He has had ten days, post-Glastonbury Symposium, to reflect on the absurdity of his revelations; yet is determined to destroy any credibility he may have once had.

He doesn't even appear to recognise the contradictions contained within his psuedo-spiritual discourse. One minute he's talking about unconditional love and not judging, then without a hint of irony, goes on to say that he's here to 'test people', concluding by saying, "... the great compassion is wired to reward those who help Yeshua and to punish those who hinder him." Same sh*t, different god!

Having reviewed the Channel 4 piece a couple of times, I'm not sure what to make of David Shayler's appearance. The white asylum suit, coupled with the pudding basin haircut, suggest that he has either hired Carole Caplin as his stylist or he has already been sectioned but was allowed a few minutes in the asylum garden to share his drug induced, ego-driven narcissism with the gullible masses.

David also revealed that one of the signs he received was seeing an anagram on Aaron's rod, which was an anagram of, 'David Shayler, righteous King.' My research would indicate that David has not got this quite right, it is actually an anagram of 'David Shayler, self-righteous pr*ck.'

The news crew must have been peacing themselves all the way back to the studio.

The Watcher

marky 54 · Post by **marky 54** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:44 pm

i find it utterly disgusting, and repulsive and i aint talking about david im talking about the mainstream media.

david is entitled to believe what he wants(although he should of realised the controversary it would cause by going on the record with it), if it is on purpose or not does not matter as much as the following fact.

the so called mainstream media will report on someones 'awakening' in order to discredit him and all he stands for or claims to stand for, but will not report on the people who have genuine storys and information on the attacks of sept 11, the jersey girls, willie rodriguez, the fireman interview that was recently done etc etc, i find it disgusting and repulsive they have the resources and time to report such things on shayler but will not report or show the truth of what some of the victims from 9/11 are saying.

the mainstream media is a fix and are doing more than goverments to hide the facts and if anything they are the bigger criminal in all this.

WHATS WRONG WITH REPORTING ON THE PEOPLE WHO RAISE GENUINE QUESTIONS! the fact they do not but will spend time making or helping to make someone look crazy should make people aware of just how biasis and controlled our media really is!

as for shayler, there is nothing you can really say, as its based on what you believe rather than fact so it has to be left for each individual to judge, but my point here is the media can report this and proved they are watching yet cannot and will not report important true facts about 9/11.

the worlds population is being screwed where the sun don't shine and our information is controlled to the point of only being allowed to hear what they hell they decide, regardless of truth lies and conspiracy, and thus control your thoughts and reality. a great mindf*** establishment for the sheeple.

911Eyewitness · Post by **911Eyewitness** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:47 pm

TonyGosling wrote:Or lost in the self-obsession?.

Well it was nice to get a taste of what is really going on. You seem to have understood him from the start and right here in his middle.

When I met him in London and he was to do the quickee introduction for me I understood that.

So, what is the problem? Other than being himself he said nothing about 911, freedom, liberty, crimes, coverups. He was just there being him alone for a change. Why did you hide this? Just because he decided not to talk about your stuff and only his own? He was doing that all the time.

Censoring his hour long was tragic for you. Tony sees Shayler now, and I think he knew it before because everyone in the UK told me what his problem was a year ago. In the hour long did he tie in anything but his own self unawareness? Now that this is out can you get over you vanity and release it?

John White · Post by **John White** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:53 pm

I know its a little hard for you, not being used to our "strange English ways" Rick, but exactly how hard is it for you to understand that "Peacing It Together" forum is NOT "The Glastonbury Symposium"?. Though I suppose that demanding answers in the wrong places is consistant with your form

paul wright · Post by **paul wright** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:04 am

Shayler seems proper sane as well as insane from this report
The energy remains columnar and then spirals out after a few inches, seems to be the true pattern of it.
David Shayler is spiralling out and cant conceal his own truth seems the top and bottom of it
http://orgonegifters.aceboard.com/27796 ... rators.htm

kbo234 · Post by **kbo234** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:14 am

dh wrote:.......The energy remains columnar and then spirals out after a few inches, seems to be the true pattern of it.

Ugmmffffh?? Pardon. Could you explain what you mean by this?

paul wright · Post by **paul wright** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:35 am

Ummm Spirals out
David consumed by mushrooms - an expansive path - spirals out
Conceives self as Messiah= mistaken imho but nevertheless
Give him time

Sherlock Holmes · Post by **Sherlock Holmes** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:58 am

I don't know what can you say...???

I speak for myself when I say I feel like getting strung out on Strongbow, Bacardi, mushrooms and skunk, right now myself, after hearing this.

I feel still feel slightly (only slightly) sorry for Dave, but those ba$tards in the media, they know he's sick and look at them parading this sick guy on TV. It's infuriating! Everyone knows what is going on, this message board is totally infiltrated by main stream media whores. This is unprofessional, they wouldn't do that to any person in a psychiatric hospital, and they wouldn't find some guy shouting at himself in the park and put him on TV that would be unethical. But they can do that to Dave. It’s sickening and perverse. I’m glad I don’t have a TV or a TV license, it’s Big Brother on acid – literally.

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:32 am

Give the Strongbow a miss...

http://www.flamesong.com/aspartame/missingthepoint.html

flamesong · Post by **flamesong** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:05 am

I don't know if this is in the public interest or not but it was requested so I uploaded it to Google Video:

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1944842079[/GVideo]

John White · Post by **John White** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:17 am

flamesong wrote:I don't know if this is in the public interest or not but it was requested so I uploaded it to Google Video:

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1944842079[/GVideo]

Thanks. It was worth watching

I don't see this has any reflection on the 9/11 Truth Campaign at all

From the 9/11 Truth Campaign perspective, thats it for Shayler: theres no coming back from this inside of several years as anyone whose going to get a platform, (though obviously if Shayler threw his support behind NPT, that could be helpful! Rick's not a thinker

) and if 9/11 truth hasnt broken through by then, we will have a whole new pile of feth to deal with

From a UK spirituality perspective, things look potentially different: I forsee that Shayler teaching himself through this experiance will be a potent lesson for others

There are important clues in the film: the childhood crop circle, if the one shown in the film, has a decidely masonic feel: the religous metaphors obviously link back to childhood also. Shayler may well find an interesting life story to share with the world within his personal past

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:43 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvmqK9ubes[/youtube]

watch what Jonathon Margolis says
start your own disinformation cult

Easy Rider · Post by **Easy Rider** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:58 am

stelios wrote:Dont really want to be the one who states the obvious.

I dont think he sounds or looks mentally ill
i think he knows exactly what he is doing
NOBBLING the movement and giving the UK campaign it's last rites.
Watch the film, where did they get all the graphics from, it must have all been laid out well in advance.
Anyone who associates with him will be tarred with the same brush and will never be taken seriously again.

Mentally ill would be an excuse. This is an act of deliberate and calculating cunning, and i am afraid we are the patsies. I read on the other topic many people sticking up for him and praising him and even denying he had said what he had.
Well they cant deny it any more.

You may be onto something Stelios

Why do you think he wants to nobble the truth movement?

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:48 pm

While i dont want to sound totally paranoid. He did look very much fitter, slimmer, healthier than people have made him out to be recently. He was talking very coherently - so drugs plays no part. Although many people have suggested he was addicted to skunk and mushrooms.
So one is left with a snagging doubt.
Ofcourse WHAT he is saying is total crud, especially to those of us who believe in God and the prophets. And the way he talked about 'chavs' and had a smirk across his face during the interview. Who knows how many retakes were needed every time they must have burst out laughing?

This website was featured on the programme so it means channel 4 do read it? Or did he instruct them to read what people have been saying about him? Either way it was not like the Wogan hitpiece on David Icke this was made fully with the cooperation of both interviewer and interviewee.

It is more damaging than the Sky interview because in fact that was quite good, Half hour of primetime and in fact the other guy Margolis was agreeing with him about many things. But Margolis said samething interesting and i suggest you all watch it before commenting.
Margolis said "what if he is still with M15"
Personally i do not think he is. But i do think something fishy is going on and it is DAMAGING to the movement because right about now we are a laughing stock and a bunch of conspiraloons.

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:07 pm

Channel 4 website quote

The path from mainstream whistleblower, to 9/11 conspiracy theorist to self proclaimed messiah - could, arguably, be a wish come true for the secret services that once tried to gag him.

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:37 pm

Apart from personal concerns about his state of health, why should anyone be overly bothered that a former spy now appears to be providing evidence that he may be suffering psychologically.

After all, the current, unelected Prime Minister has been described as being "psychologically flawed" by the former Prime Minister's Chief of Communications.

That alleged handicap did not prevent him from rising to the top to run an entire country.

One seems to be under the rather benign and probably, chemically induced impression that he has been anointed as the new messiah and yet, as far as I am aware, has murdered precisely zero human beings.

Whilst the other has signed the cheques, using our money, to invade, bomb and occupy two countries and murder hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians whilst, presumably, entirely sober and drug free.

One poor deluded fool represents, in total, himself.

The other a war financier, whether you like it or not, represents an entire country.

Funny old world.

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