London Bombs - Four Burning Questions On Press TV

[TonyGosling]

Tommorrow Iran's Press TV are transmitting Yvonne Ridley's 'agenda' discussion show with Myself, David Aaronovich, some Chatham House guy and Kenyon Gibson about the London Bombs and whether there should be an enquiry.

http://www.presstv.ir

In it I propose four 'burning questions' about the 7/7 London bombings any one of which smashes a major hole in the official version and is the basis for holding a full and open enquiry into the attacks. I also rammed home the point, I hope, that without this there has been simply a 'trial by television' with the likes of Aaronovich deciding who did it.

1. Peter Power's 'coincidental' Visor Consultants' exercise which has a 275 x 275 x 275 x 365 = 7,000million to one chance of him telling the truth about having no link to the attack.

2. The 15 minute warning relayed to Associated Press and published under the title 'Netanyahu Changed Plans Due To Warning' by the Israeli Embassy then denied by Scotland Yard that meant Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu didn't leave his hotel to head for Liverpool Street that morning.

3. The cancelled Luton train that means the four alleged bombers couldn't make it to where they were supposed to have blown up the bombs.

4. no CCTV evidence that the four alleged bombers were even on the tube network that day - CCTV snaps being from a 'dummy run' ten days before.

I also went into the concept of targeting innocent people and whether that might help the Islamic or the MI6 cause and about them not being 'clean skins' as we were originally told.

I'd be interested on some critical feedback when they transmit it.

[TonyGosling]

Press TV have just told me that this edition of 'Agenda - Should there be an enquiry into the London Bombings?' is airing on Monday 15th October at 14:00 GMT. I think that's 3pm BST but correct me if I'm wrong.

Annie Machon also appears in a pre-recorded insert and struts her stuff rather nicely.

It will be broadcast both on the web and on Satellite TV.

http://www.presstv.ir/

[David WJ Sherlock]

Press TV have just told me that this edition of 'Agenda - Should there be an enquiry into the London Bombings?' is airing on Monday 15th October at 14:00 GMT. I think that's 3pm BST but correct me if I'm wrong.

Annie Machon also appears in a pre-recorded insert and struts her stuff rather nicely.

It will be broadcast both on the web and on Satellite TV.

http://www.presstv.ir/

Is that going to go out on TV too Tony?

[TonyGosling]

Did anybody manage to record this?
I'd welcome some feedback at my performance against Aaronovich

[karlos]

ok i have seen the broadcast
that Aaronovitch guy was a total * and unfortunately him and the ex CIA guy seemed to simply be there to derail any discussion. The streaming quality was poor but i think they will post up a recording in the archive section which can probably be downloaded
www.presstv.com

one thing that would be good is to try and get a wider audience for pressTV because it is a really good source for uncensored news

Well done Tony and Kenyon, and Annie i though all of you put forward the issues very well despite the obvious disruption from aaronovitch.

[Muncher]

A copy of the programme is up on Conspiracy Central.
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/

[TonyGosling]

Just restored this thread!!

Just like my Verint thread this thread was moved into the private section of the forum so not viewable by the public nor spiderable by the search engines.

Somebody - either Visor Consultants, Scotland Yard or Verint systems - doesn't want the public and honest cops to know about this broadcast so it must be highly significant evidence.

This is why the crooked Blair government blocked an enquiry - because it would reveal that this was a diabolically botched operation.

I advise everyone to keep copies of this information on their own home computers.

[alwun]

Tony G,

are you telling us

1. that a thread on these forums can be moved without your or an other admin's consent or involvement??

2. clandestine hacking sort of thing?

3. Leaving no trace behind?

cheers Al..

[TonyGosling]

As far as I know yes it can!
Passwords can be hacked as well.
As for finding traces I'll PM Mick about that one.

Tony G,

are you telling us

1. that a thread on these forums can be moved without your or an other admin's consent or involvement??

2. clandestine hacking sort of thing?

3. Leaving no trace behind?

cheers Al..

[Mick Meaney]

As far as I know yes it can!
Passwords can be hacked as well.
As for finding traces I'll PM Mick about that one.

Tony G,

are you telling us

1. that a thread on these forums can be moved without your or an other admin's consent or involvement??

2. clandestine hacking sort of thing?

3. Leaving no trace behind?

cheers Al..

No trace in the admin section of who moved it, that I can find. I suggest all admins and mods change their password immediately.

[astro3]

Tories call for July 7th Inquiry

Concerning Question 4, no CCTV evidence, the Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said last May,

According to their report the ISC were told of a poor quality photograph of Mohammed Sidique Khan - we now know there were six still photographs, at least one of them quite clear, and a video. This was not shown to the committee. It looks as though someone is being economical with the evidence.

He is CALLING FOR AN INQUIRY! That is the view of Britain's Conservative Party:

The case for an independent inquiry into the attacks of July 2005 is now overwhelming. It is the only way to achieve clarity for the British public, closure for the bereaved and ensure the security services and the government learn the lessons to help prevent another attack.

www.batterseaconservatives.org/record.j ... ws&ID=1199 The ISC is the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee, and I guess 'their report' is the anonymous 1st-anniversary Report of July, 2006. So, senior Conservative Party bigwigs have been assured that there is more photographic evidence - presumably, of Khan in London on the day.

[rodin]

Tommorrow Iran's Press TV are transmitting Yvonne Ridley's 'agenda' discussion show with Myself, David Aaronovich, some Chatham House guy and Kenyon Gibson about the London Bombs and whether there should be an enquiry.

http://www.presstv.ir

In it I propose four 'burning questions' about the 7/7 London bombings any one of which smashes a major hole in the official version and is the basis for holding a full and open enquiry into the attacks. I also rammed home the point, I hope, that without this there has been simply a 'trial by television' with the likes of Aaronovich deciding who did it.

1. Peter Power's 'coincidental' Visor Consultants' exercise which has a 275 x 275 x 275 x 365 = 7,000million to one chance of him telling the truth about having no link to the attack.

2. The 15 minute warning relayed to Associated Press and published under the title 'Netanyahu Changed Plans Due To Warning' by the Israeli Embassy then denied by Scotland Yard that meant Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu didn't leave his hotel to head for Liverpool Street that morning.

3. The cancelled Luton train that means the four alleged bombers couldn't make it to where they were supposed to have blown up the bombs.

4. no CCTV evidence that the four alleged bombers were even on the tube network that day - CCTV snaps being from a 'dummy run' ten days before.

I also went into the concept of targeting innocent people and whether that might help the Islamic or the MI6 cause and about them not being 'clean skins' as we were originally told.

I'd be interested on some critical feedback when they transmit it.

You are on the money with that set of points Tony

How do I find your needle in conspiracycentral haystack?

[WyldeChylde]

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/index ... h=press+tv

Here ya go mate!

[TonyGosling]

I just got asked for a copy of this, has anyone got a link to an .avi or similar I haven't yet mastered bit-torrent

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/index ... h=press+tv

Here ya go mate!

[TonyGosling]

okay - found it

For those who haven't seen my battle with David Aaronovich.

Someone has put it on Google Video and you tube
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBO6dWCtu8w[/youtube]

Second section is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqytiKnWdNI

and the third
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4nqM9PnTCQ

fourth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjWjd2bkMlM

fifth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQlhBgJXtTs

[agent orange]

Thanks for the links it was a very interesting watch.
must admit Mr Aaronovich has a striking resemblance to a certain Mr Jeremy Beadle in both his looks and the fact that he has to be one of the most irritating men i have ever had to listen to.
he was not simply interested in answering or debating any of the facts put before him. Anybody who dares question his point of view is simply labeled a conspiracy nut or lunatic. But he took every opportunity to push his new book.
And as for his right hand man saying that any certain item that could be considered proof is not important unless it matches up with all the other evidence or his perceptions of evidence had me falling off my chair laughing.

[paul wright]

Aaronovitch is horrible. The most deceitful man I've ever encountered. But What about that Chatham House guy? This is the Dark Force encountered. What about this Dr Who automaton, the voice the style the everything.This was the most horrible thing I've ever seen on video. How did you ever restrain yourself from grabbing this freak by the neck, Tony?
I respect your restraint

[ian neal]

As ever it is easy to think of the answers with the luxury hindsight and thinking time and I applaud Tony and Kenyon for having the courage to appear on the programme.

DA made many familiar attacks on conspiracy theories.

Questioning that there has been prior precedent

That the authorities would never keep everyone quiet

That there would inevitably be whistleblowers

The media would cover the story

These responses are standard fair for journalists like DA in rebutting the whole notion of conspiracy theories so it would be an useful exercise to compile some standard answers.

When talking of the UK I think you have to focus on the present day or recent past and UK history

So prior precedents of proven UK/Nato complicity in terrorist acts and fabricating and covering up evidence I would cite

The evidence of the Stephen's inquiries into Irish terrorism
Bologna train bombing and Operation Gladio
Terror trials like the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6
Lies, deceptions and media manipulations around Iraq (eg Niger Yellow Cake, Jessica Lynch, complicity in rendition and torture

Lack of whistleblowers/ability of the authorities to cover up I would mention US examples such as Iran Contra (of which only a fraction of the truth came out and which allegedly involved 5000 insiders who choose not to fully whistleblow) and USS Liberty. I would also mention the existence of whistleblowers who are then ignored by the media or taken to court by the authorities (eg Katherine Gunn)

[ian neal]

As ever it is easy to think of the answers with the luxury hindsight and thinking time and I applaud Tony and Kenyon for having the courage to appear on the programme.

DA made many familiar attacks on conspiracy theories.

Questioning that there has ever been prior precedent for such a state conspiracy

That the authorities would never keep everyone quiet

That there would inevitably be whistleblowers

The media would cover the story

These responses are standard fair for journalists like DA in rebutting the whole notion of conspiracy theories so it would be an useful exercise to compile some standard answers.

When talking of the UK I think you have to focus on the present day or recent past and UK history

So prior precedents of proven UK/Nato complicity in terrorist acts and fabricating and covering up evidence I would cite

The evidence of the Steven's inquiries into Irish terrorism
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/n ... nquiry.pdf
Bologna train bombing and Operation Gladio
Terror trials like the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6
Lies, deceptions and media manipulations around Iraq (eg Niger Yellow Cake, Jessica Lynch, complicity in rendition and torture

Lack of whistleblowers/ability of the authorities to cover up I would mention US examples such as Iran Contra (of which only a fraction of the truth came out and which allegedly involved 5000 insiders who choose not to fully whistleblow) and USS Liberty. I would also mention the existence of whistleblowers who are then ignored by the media or taken to court by the authorities (eg Katherine Gunn)

[TonyGosling]

I was in the competition as runner up in Press TV's 'rudest person of the year awards' for my comment, to Global Vision's Kenyon Gibson, about Aaronovich's increasingly paranoid ravings, "Don't interrupt him, let him hang himself."

http://www.presstv.com/prg_detail.aspx? ... ID=3510509

see here
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13001

I have also started a new topic here Ian in response to your sensible idea to consider the standard conspiracy dismissals

[Ravenmoon]

Just watched it all tony & (like i would) you reacted too much to DA's goading,emotions are a bind aren't they
The trouble is with someone like this you just want to smash their face in ( & i'm not violent ) but obviously you have to engage in rational discourse.
I think i'd pick on pertinent, questionable evidence & stick to that. The stuff about the train bombs being underneath is open to much conjecture for example (unless we had the carriage to examine by experts for example).
Overall,i'd say no ones perception would have been swayed by this ( i found myself agreeing with you & kenyon).
Talking of kenyon,i think he spoke well & coherently,but to go on about a nazi false flag would have most ordinary people scratching their heads.

P.S. Please don't take any of the above criticism personally, i've a lot of respect for anyone who puts themselves out there

[TonyGosling]

I didn't bring that up, I think it was the Chatham House rules guy.

The stuff about the train bombs being underneath is open to much conjecture for example (unless we had the carriage to examine by experts for example).

[Ravenmoon]

Yep & he probably brought it up for a reason ,because nothing can be proved either way about the explosion (without an investigation).
It's hard to keep level headed with people like this interupting all the time,but i would have tried to mention the bus bomb, the 'bomber' getting 2 buses,the second of which gets diverted to tavistock square where the first bus was going in the first place. I'm sure any member of the public watching would find this puzzling & sow a seed of doubt in their mind. That's easy for me to say in hindsight though, i wasn't there in the hot seat !!

[Wibble]

Yep & he probably brought it up for a reason ,because nothing can be proved either way about the explosion (without an investigation).

They have already proven that the explosions came from inside. They also have eye witnesses who saw the bombs go off.

Having just watch the links above I cant see how anyone has gained from it. I doubt anyone would have decided there should be an enquiry based on that.

I am shocked to hear people think 7/7 was an inside job. Can anything bad happen in the world that is not done by peoples own governments? This is just getting crazy now.

[Chi_of_life]

Re: The Agenda

Very well done Tony.

Hi Kenyon.

===========================================

Daniel Obachike

[kbo234]

I am shocked to hear people think 7/7 was an inside job.

Well.....yes......so was I when I first came across 9/11 evidence. 'Shocked' is the word.

Here's a critical but fairly unreastrained take on 7/7 that should, at the very least, leave you with a few doubts lingering in your mind.

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q ... itesearch=

Can anything bad happen in the world that is not done by peoples own governments? This is just getting crazy now.

Yes, it is getting 'crazy'.

Just because governments do bad things doesn't mean nobody else does....which seems to be the drift of your statement.

[xmasdale]

Well done to Kenyon, Annie and Tony. I thought Tony had the best technique for dealing with the infuriating Aaronovich. Speak loud, interrupt constantly and don't stop talking when interrupted. That's what he does.

Annie of course had the easiest job, and did it well.

The precedents are of course meaningful to those who have studied false-flag ops, but may not mean much to the public. The Irish precedents are particularly relevant to a British audience, but was this programme primarily for a British audience?

The idea of compiling a list of standard responses to standard dismissal of so-called conspiracy theories should be followed up on. Who's going to do it?

I don't think questions (even rhetorical ones) should be asked to people like DA. They merely give him an other opportunity to speak.

Interrupting makes the original speaker's points inaudible. Presumably that's why DA does it when a good point is being made. We can learn from his "debating" techniques.

The big question is "Does such a debate bring an independent inquiry any closer?" Well, as Annie pointed out, recent UK legislation means a truly independent inquiry would be almost impossible to achieve. But I think a programme like this may put into the minds of the public that the issue is not as cut and dried as they had hitherto thought.

Well done everyone.

[Wibble]

I am shocked to hear people think 7/7 was an inside job.

Well.....yes......so was I when I first came across 9/11 evidence. 'Shocked' is the word.

No im shocked because there is no evidence of an inside job.

[Stefan]

I am shocked to hear people think 7/7 was an inside job.

Well.....yes......so was I when I first came across 9/11 evidence. 'Shocked' is the word.

No im shocked because there is no evidence of an inside job.

Then why are you here?

With comments like "it's been proved the explosions came from inside" it's pretty clear that you haven't researched the event at all. And with comments like "there is no evidece of an inside job" it shows you have no intention of ever doing so and have come here to pop up on every thread as a contrarian.

Don't you have better things to do with your time?

[Wibble]

Then why are you here?

Looking for evidence of a conspiracy.