stelios wrote:I am sorry STARAKER but you are misrepresenting the photos.
There should be loads of people around the bus, pulling people from the wreckage as is shown in the sun's photo for example, and people who are injured upstairs would recieve treatment in situe
peaple who are walking wounded or pulled from the wreck would be just outside the wreck recieving treatment. Actually it looks like a ghost town scene in some of the photos
but people think about it, if you were walking past and that happened surely you would run towards the scene and render assistence.
Some pictures do show people helping, or running to help, but these are few and far between for the very reason that while the British media does not have an aversion to showing gruesome images shot abroad, they are far more cautious when it's something shot at home. Take last week's shooting of the two armed robbers - pictures of their dead bodies lying in the street are conspicuously absent for precisely the same reason. Basically, you seem to be complaining about the lack of the sort of pictures that we would not normally expect to see, anyway.
As Guzmans very useful analysis shows there are clearly questions the bus driver needs to answer
It looks like the area was cleared before the explosion and that is undisputable.
No. When viewed as a whole, all the available pictures show that the area was crowded before the explosion, most people were subsequently cleared by the emergency services, and once all the injured had been dealt with, everyone cleared the immediate scene, pending the arrival of the forensic teams.
As i have stated the demolition firm is unconnected, how many hundreds of building white vans do we see every day? So it is a red herring. More important is if the area was cleared and if the bus was stopped, whether parked or just stopped, it means people knew there was about to be a n explosion which means it is all an inside job not an act of terror.
No known witness has said anything that remotely corresponds with your theory.
The bus driver claims he stopped the bus, to ask two traffic wardens for directions. I have already stated my view that drivers dont normally swap route and diversions are always planned. but lets for the moment say that he stopped and asked directions then where are the traffic wardens.
Presumably living their lives, trying not to think too much about what happened. You seem to expect everyone even remotely connected to the event to be giving full and frequent interviews saying what they saw. If you look at other similar traumatic incidents, whether it be bombs, shootings, accidents, natural disasters, or whatever, you will see that this is rarely the case, so why should this be any different?
The picture from the high level is apparantly an office worker who took the picture so it must be reliable.
Remember everyone has a camera phone and many carry digital cameras on their keyrings.
No they don't. Stop making such ridiculously inflated claims. In any case, previously you complained that everyone should be rushing to help, then that some should be standing around screaming, and now you think they should all be taking pictures, as well. Inadvertently, you have confirmed what I have been saying all along, namely that different people react in different ways. Saying, "They're not reacting like I would," is worthless, because
you probably don't really know how you'd react, either. You might think you do, but you can't know it's true until it actually happens.
It is NOT also possible that the deserted pictures are AFTER the crowded pictures. because the area would stay crowded for days afterwards but would only be deserted at the beginning of events. You see people in white forensic clothing would be picking up bits of evidence with tweezers and the human remains (i apologise) so it cannot happen that you have a crowded scene and everyone leaves and then comes back.
Wrong again. At any major incident, the uninjured and walking wounded would be removed as quickly as possible, leaving the emergency services to deal with the seriously injured in situ. After all this has been done, the immediate site will be cleared to avoid evidence being further disturbed or contaminated, pending the arrival of the forensic teams. The latter make take several hours to do so, even if there are no other incidents to be dealt with, as of course there were on 7/7. A friend who works in fingerprinting says that there would usually be eight forensic experts at most at any incident, but not all would be working at the same time, in order to avoid confusion. To compare again to the bungled robbery last week, the pictures below shows the similar "lull" between the scene being secured - with everything left in place, whether the cash box, paramedic packs, or even a police rifle - and the forensic teams arriving, although in this case the area is much more localised compared to how much of an explosion site would be cordoned off, due to the liklihood of evidence being scattered:
The London bus bombing was not Hasib Hussein, it was not an act of terro it was an inside job from start to finish.
Contrast the photos taken by office workers which show the area deserted with the official news photos which show the area covered with people.
Media outlets favour picture with "more going on" in them. Wow! What a revelation!
Can so many people STAND upstairs on the bus after it has been exploded? Can it support their weight?
Your grasp of structural engineering is obviously as weak as your knowledge of the effect of explosives. A smaller device would have just blown out the back windows and killed one or two people, if any; a larger one would have totally destroyed the bus and killed and/or sereiously injured everyone. What happened was somewhere inbetween.
The sun's photo that shows an elderly asian man being pulled from downstairs by two onlookers. Who is the man? Regina friel does not mention any asian man nor does daniel nor does richard jones.
Both of them were on the bottom deck, Jones apparently getting off before the explosion. You seem to be reading something into them not seeing someone you wouldn't have expected them to see in the first place. Did you get on a bus this morning? Do you know who was on the top deck when you got off? Did you bother looking round to see who else got off before or after you?
This was a drill that went real time and people involved must be official secrets act signators.
Such exercises would not involve live explosives, dead civilians, and body parts scattered in a public place, and it would not happen amongst members of the general public who were not even aware a "drill" was taking place. Even when public fire alarms are tested, they are immediately preceded by an announcement that a test is about to take place, and followed by one to the effect that the test is over.
