9/11 truthers should distance themselves from David Icke

[The Watcher]

Xmasdale wrote:

"Reptoid" to me means covered in scales, with a tail and cold-blooded.

"Reptoid" to me (& the Penguin English Dictionary) means, 'sly, mean, base, cold-blooded(fig) or treacherous person'.

Other meanings in common usage:

- incapable of empathy
- incapable of self-reflection
- incapable of humility
- Devoid of compassion
- Devoid of emotion
- Devoid of Humanity

Based upon Peter Mandelson's political career, Reptoid would seem to be a fair description of his behaviour!

The Watcher

[xmasdale]

Xmasdale wrote:

"Reptoid" to me means covered in scales, with a tail and cold-blooded.

"Reptoid" to me (& the Penguin English Dictionary) means, 'sly, mean, base, cold-blooded(fig) or treacherous person'.

Other meanings in common usage:

- incapable of empathy
- incapable of self-reflection
- incapable of humility
- Devoid of compassion
- Devoid of emotion
- Devoid of Humanity

Based upon Peter Mandelson's political career, Reptoid would seem to be a fair description of his behaviour!

The Watcher

Then why not use those descriptions rather than implying that people are shape-shifting reptiles descended from an alien race?

[gruts]

Then why not use those descriptions rather than implying that people are shape-shifting reptiles descended from an alien race?

This is also my problem with david icke - I've seen his "secrets of the matrix" and found myself agreeing with most of what he said in the first 2 parts - but then in the last part when he starts pushing the reptilian/shape-shifting stuff it's almost as if he's trying to discredit all the good points he made earlier.

He's definitely not using it as a metaphor - this is even clearer if you read "The Biggest Secret", or watch "Revelations of a mother goddess"....

[paul wright]

Why do people have problems with this stuff? In the royals it's difficult to distinguish. But in Barbara Bush and in Hilary it's overwhelmingly out there
Mandelsohn and Michael Howard - obviously reptoid
Blair and Reid- simple emotionally flat tools of the agenda

Paul, please explain yourself. "Reptoid" to me means covered in scales, with a tail and cold-blooded. All of the people you mention are certainly human with blood temperature around 98.4F or 36C.

You single out Peter Mandelson and Michal Howard as particularly obvious reptilians. What do you mean? Peter is an old friend of mine, though I certainly have big political differences with him. I have seen him partially undressed at a party in Oxford when he was a student there and I can assure you he has no scales and no tail. The only thing in common between him and Michael Howard that I am aware of is that they both have some Jewish ancestry. Peter is not religious and not Jewish, according to Jewish law, because his mother was not Jewish. She, Mary Mandelson ne Morrison, was the daughter of Herbert Morrison, Foreign Secretary in Atlee's Labour government. I was welcomed at her home on several occasions.

I find nothing "obvious" about these reptoid allegations and believe that to say so publicly simply brings our campaign into disrepute.

Urrgh Noel, please don't say Mandelsohn is an old friend. For once I'd agree with the Prince of Darkness slur, never mind his orientation or jewish background. I don't really care what he looks like undressed or whether he has a tail or not. It's the degree of revulsion at their public persona which in the end must be the judge.
take the women, - Barbara and Laura Bush - feel any bile yet? - Hilary Clinton, Hazel Blears, Ruth Kelly Patricia Hewitt, get on to the Royals - Duke of Kent, damnable softy Charles
Use your own judgement - by their deeds shall ye know them and when you see them on the telly they look like they just wiped the blood from their chin whilst coming up through the slime, then you can judge them as such
It's rough justice and has nothing to do with race or religion
I have a lot of difficulty with the Edward Heath number cos I just don't see it

[zoomer]

Is 'soul dead' not enough to describe people who have lost all feelings, morals, ethics?.......rather than this reptoid--what you seem to think Icke means--metaphor?
JUST concentrating on the very rich and elite is not enough. This soul deadeness is promoted throughout. Fro m the very top to the very bottom. You have gangs at the bottom stabbing, shooting, kicking peoples heads like footballs in the street, etc, and you have gangs at the top who lie, stage false flag attacks murdering thousands, and then lieing and doing preemptive wars, where they murder and maim hundreds of thousands, and pollute water and earth and air with depleted uranium, and other waepons outlawed, and secret weapons they experiemnt with on defencless children, women and men.
The elite who plan these 'terrosrist' attacks, and wars, and conflicts, they too belong to secret gangs, like Skull and Bones, and Bohemian grove, etc

So there is this sadism from the bottom to the top. But diverting our energy to having to imagine David Ickes 'reptoid' theories diffuses the necessary energy to really look close WHy this is happening. It IS to do with myths, yeah. But we have to look at the myths and not get caught UP in them

[xmasdale]

Why do people have problems with this stuff? In the royals it's difficult to distinguish. But in Barbara Bush and in Hilary it's overwhelmingly out there
Mandelsohn and Michael Howard - obviously reptoid
Blair and Reid- simple emotionally flat tools of the agenda

Paul, please explain yourself. "Reptoid" to me means covered in scales, with a tail and cold-blooded. All of the people you mention are certainly human with blood temperature around 98.4F or 36C.

You single out Peter Mandelson and Michal Howard as particularly obvious reptilians. What do you mean? Peter is an old friend of mine, though I certainly have big political differences with him. I have seen him partially undressed at a party in Oxford when he was a student there and I can assure you he has no scales and no tail. The only thing in common between him and Michael Howard that I am aware of is that they both have some Jewish ancestry. Peter is not religious and not Jewish, according to Jewish law, because his mother was not Jewish. She, Mary Mandelson ne Morrison, was the daughter of Herbert Morrison, Foreign Secretary in Atlee's Labour government. I was welcomed at her home on several occasions.

I find nothing "obvious" about these reptoid allegations and believe that to say so publicly simply brings our campaign into disrepute.

Urrgh Noel, please don't say Mandelsohn is an old friend. For once I'd agree with the Prince of Darkness slur, never mind his orientation or jewish background. I don't really care what he looks like undressed or whether he has a tail or not. It's the degree of revulsion at their public persona which in the end must be the judge.
take the women, - Barbara and Laura Bush - feel any bile yet? - Hilary Clinton, Hazel Blears, Ruth Kelly Patricia Hewitt, get on to the Royals - Duke of Kent, damnable softy Charles
Use your own judgement - by their deeds shall ye know them and when you see them on the telly they look like they just wiped the blood from their chin whilst coming up through the slime, then you can judge them as such
It's rough justice and has nothing to do with race or religion
I have a lot of difficulty with the Edward Heath number cos I just don't see it

I see that certain people come across to me as cold and calculatingly deceitful. I just don't get this shape-shifting lizard stuff. I find it important to distinguish between judgements made on knowledge of deeds and judgements made on prejudice.

Norman Baker, for example is literally chinless, but I don't let that cloud my judgement. I have the greatest respect for his recent deeds.

[karlos]

I read through some of the comments with amusement.
I feel i must repeat my previous views.

I believe that David Icke does not believe in lizards or shapeshifters or aliens. He uses this ploy in order to stay just that little bit of a nutter to keep him out of jail and to keep him alive rather than assasinated.

I used to think Icke was a complete loony tunes. But look at what he said.

911 was an inside job
7/7 was an inside job
The european Union is like the new soviet union
america is a corporation
Bush and blair are freemasons
The pope is the top freemason
Babylonian god molech is who george bush and tony blair worship.
Fluoride is giving us brain damage.
Aspartame causes cancer.
Vaccinnes cause more disease by destroying our immune systems.
David Icke was the first person to publically expose the illuminati and inform the world of their existence.

Now contrast all of this with talk of lizards, shapeshifters, Dick Cheney shapeshifter, the queen is a lizard. We know that is all nuts, but because he says that he keeps out of jail and appears mad enough to slip below the radar.
If anyone was an alien, or a lizard or a shapeshifter, then it would be very easy to prove. I have shaken hands with prince charles before at a polo match and it would be easy to collect a dna sample from any of these people, a hair, a gob, a used chewing gum, a used fag butt, in fact i am surprised nobody like a reporter has taken a dna sample from harry to prove he is james hewitts son.
But the fact is none of these people - bush, cheney, blair, gordon brown, or anyone else is anything other than human rotten to the core

[zoomer]

Now contrast all of this with talk of lizards, shapeshifters, Dick Cheney shapeshifter, the queen is a lizard. We know that is all nuts, but because he says that he keeps out of jail and appears mad enough to slip below the radar.
If anyone was an alien, or a lizard or a shapeshifter, then it would be very easy to prove. I have shaken hands with prince charles before at a polo match and it would be easy to collect a dna sample from any of these people, a hair, a gob, a used chewing gum, a used fag butt, in fact i am surprised nobody like a reporter has taken a dna sample from harry to prove he is james hewitts son.
But the fact is none of these people - bush, cheney, blair, gordon brown, or anyone else is anything other than human rotten to the core

Well, stelios, you are just plainwrong. I challenge anyone here to argue what you seem to be, and some others here in different ways--that David Icke is not deadly serious about his belief members of the elite shapeshift into reptilian beings.
Please view this video. You of course don't have to watch it all, it is three hours!! But you will see at the parts of the video play i recommend you watch, that far from being some ploy to deflect dangerous attacks on David Icke's person, his reptilian theoriy is CENTRAL to his theories. In fact he titled his book what he believes is 'The Biggest Secret' !!

The video is AZ_wilder.avi http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... ona+wilder

and checkout 30:00 , 31:53 and then we have him interviwing supposed mindcontrolled victim of the elite, Arizona Wilder, where he is particularly interested in her 'reports' about shapeshifting reptiles. She believes the 'Aryans' came from Mars, but were pursyed and persecuted by the interdimensional 'Reptilians, who pursued them to the Moon, and then to Earth! 53:00 ff

First dig that this myth IS being promoted by David Icke

[bananalive]

http://www.myspace.com/davidicke

Thanks I have added him on MySpace.

All Publicity is good, even if David Icke is a nutter.

[sidlittle]

http://www.myspace.com/davidicke

Thanks I have added him on MySpace.

All Publicity is good, even if David Icke is a nutter.

you do realise that isn't really icke on myspace?

[karlos]

David Icke's person, his reptilian theoriy is CENTRAL to his theories. we have him interviwing supposed mindcontrolled victim of the elite, Arizona Wilder, where he is particularly interested in her 'reports' about shapeshifting reptiles. She believes the 'Aryans' came from Mars, but were pursyed and persecuted by the interdimensional 'Reptilians, who pursued them to the Moon, and then to Earth!

I do not believe in LIZARDS< ALLIENS or shapehifters and i dont believe anyone has ever been to the moon.
Well if Icke does believe this and that this is central to his views i must disagree with him.
Why has nobody yourself included gone out there to prove his theory?
As i said and as all of you know you only need a very small dna sample such as a hair to prove your case.
Prince charles hairdresser, tailor, chaufeur, even members of the public like me and you can get close to these people and can collect dna samples.
so why has nobody done it?
The reason is because it is not true, Icke knows full well that if he believes a certain person is not human a simple dna test will prove it and is easy to organise and cheap as well.
Thanks to the most evil former home secretary it is fairly legal to do a dna test on ana third party even an unborn child, so if you are of that persuasion and think a particular people is reptilian collect a sample and deal with it.

[Cruise4]

"The reason is because it is not true, Icke knows full well that if he believes a certain person is not human a simple dna test will prove it and is easy to organise and cheap as well.
Thanks to the most evil former home secretary it is fairly legal to do a dna test on ana third party even an unborn child, so if you are of that persuasion and think a particular people is reptilian collect a sample and deal with it."

If an entity takes over a human individual there are 2 groups indicated.
1. The entity and
2. The human

The entity is a reptilian and exists naturally in another dimensional framework.

The human thats taken over can occasionally be seen as 'shapeshifting' under certain conditions.

So where does DNA alter to non-human in this scenario, because I don't think it does. A DNA test would still show 'whoever' as human... even though they could be being controlled by 'the reptilian'.

Mind you David Icke also talks about Real Reptilians here on this planet that look like Reptiles. So DNA test them and its a different story but looks would have been the first clue.

Not saying I believe or disbelieve... its just an interesting thing to wonder about at the moment. But David has a certain track record that demands an open-mind.

[scar]

David Icke was the first person to publically expose the illuminati and inform the world of their existence.

Not true, many came before him.
Jordan Maxwell is one, influenced Icke rather a lot, hes been researching this stuff 50+ years apparently.
Check out Maxwells 'Matrix of Power' (1993) and compare it to Ickes 'Secrets of The Matrix' (2003) several sections are nigh on identical...

[rodin]

Googling Jordan Maxwell (who I did not know about) throws up the following

FTC Targets Sellers Who Deceptively Marketed International Driver's Permits over the Internet and via Spam

The Commission's Complaints
The FTC filed complaints in federal district court against the following defendants:

1) Yad Abraham (Abraham), also known as (a.k.a.) Tim Thorn and Timothy Thorn, individually and doing business as (d.b.a.) Sharpthorn Internet Solutions and Internex, LLC; 2) Jaguar Business Concepts, LP d.b.a. Libertymall.com, Cheyenne Investment Alliance, LLC (Cheyenne), and Jacqueline Demer, individually and as member/manager of Cheyenne; 3) Jordan Maxwell, a.k.a. Russell Pine, individually and doing business as BBCOA, a.k.a. BBC of America, a.k.a. Better Book and Cassette of America, and Vic Varjabedian, a.k.a. Victor Varjabedian, a.k.a. Varouj Varjabedian, individually; 4) William Scott Dion, individually and d.b.a. PT Resource Center and PTRC, a.k.a. Don Glessner; 5) Carlton Press, Inc., Carlton Press, Ltd., and Kim Fleming Bo Weiss; and 6) one or more parties d.b.a. the Institute for International Licensing (IIL), Aladdin Financial Management, University Systems, and Wheelie International Limited.

In each complaint, the Commission alleges that, in violation of the FTC Act, the defendants falsely claim that their IDPs are a legitimate alternative to a state-issued driver's license, and misrepresent that: 1) their IDPs authorize consumers to drive legally in the United States; 2) their IDPs allow consumers to avoid points or traffic violations, as well as sanctions for driving with a suspended or revoked driver's license; and 3) their IDPs can be used in the United States as an identification document in the same ways that a person uses a government-issued photo identification document.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/01/idpfinal.shtm

Not the kind of credentials you would want from a man who seems to have influenced David Icke, and whose research into the esoteric seems to have led him to similar conclusions as Alan Watt about the roots of the elite.

Food for further thought.

UPDATE

Having read his site I am reminded of H P Lovecraft and the Cthulhu mythos - a ficticious space-alien construct of several like-minded writers in the early 20th century - not unlike the world created by J R R Tolkien but more cosmic in its scope.

I see connections between Jordan Maxwell (any relation to Robert?) and one or two dodgy characters.

1) There is a pic with him & Sitchin. Sitchin, self proclaimed expert on ancient Jewish history, has IMO been convincingly unmasked as a fraud.

2) The scam involving driving licences - first defendant was Abraham something or other - I note he was charging 4x the others for the same fraudulent documents...

The best disinfo is wrapped in truth. This is how it gains traction.

There are shysters and fraudsters and swindlers everywhere posing as conduits of intelligence. Like I keep saying, trust nothing but your own intelligence. I am sure the truth is out there, but far more of what is out there are diversions to keep us occupied. It is beginning to look as though most sources of most peoples information about the matrix are contaminated.

I suspect that a dark history (the story about the King James Bible for example, and the Masonic Elizabethan court) are based on truth. There will be sources that can be verified. But as for the occult/alien origins of man, this is IMO more likely another psyop, laced with various bits of 'evidence' and apparent confirmations. Too many people in this area seem crooked.

So I give weight to what I know.

I know our Royal Family and other Euroyals came by way of Bavaria and are intimately linked to the Rothschilds.

I know there is a Rothschild building in Israel with high masonic symbolism that is likely destined to be the world court.

I know Israel and the US and the UK have been perpetrating false flags.

I know 911 and 7/7 and the Liberty were inside jobs.

I know that 50% of the chairmen of the Federal Reserve were Jewish.

I know that fiat debt money is a scam.

I know that bloodlines (DNA) are vitally important to the aristocracy, not to the commoners, who are being encouraged to mix. Interesting that 'pedigree' dogs, bulls etc are given high value, and pedigree humans also are a distinct ruling class. Alan Watt says eugenics are at the heart of the matter. Could be...

From Jordan's biog

He has conducted dozens of intensive seminars, hosted his own radio talk shows, guested on more than 600 radio shows, and written, produced and appeared in numerous television shows and documentaries (including three 2-hour specials for the CBS TV network, as well as the internationally acclaimed 5-part Ancient Mystery Series - all devoted to understanding ancient religions and their pervasive influence on world affairs today.

Promoted by the (controlled by one group) MSM

On with the search...

[karlos]

On the subject of Lizards and alternative creatures.

Well as everyone knows all the day of judgement and armageddon prophecies talk about a race of people known as the Gog and the Magog. They are different from other humans and in fact it is stated that they are a different race altogether.
Geographically theologians have at times stated that the Chinese could be the ones refered to as the Gog and the Magog.
Others have refered to the Ashkenazis.
I would guess although i am not an expert that Icke's lizards could be his version of the biblical prophecy the Gog and the Magog.
A race of people who consume the living flesh and are as plentiful as there are grains of sand in the sea.

Just food for thought chaps

[TonyGosling]

Arguably, nobody has done more to reveal the hidden shenanigens in our modern world.

Three hours of iffy but interesting interview.....

For Reptilian read Demonic?

David_Icke_Revelations_Of_A_Mother_Goddess.avi

[GVideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9823657735[/GVideo]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9823657735