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prole art threat wrote:....and each and every one of these lucky callers managed to get through, despite the fact that they were in the midst of an hijacking and making panic-stricken calls from planes flying at such high speeds. Ah, September 11th, 2001, the skies were full of magic and wonder....
Yes, almost every call was made from a magical device called an air phone.
You were standing next to them all were you? It must have been a big queue??
It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.

How does the phone company know how much to bill you? Do you have a phone tech living with you writing down all your calls?
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chipmunk stew wrote:
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chipmunk stew wrote: Yes, almost every call was made from a magical device called an air phone.
You were standing next to them all were you? It must have been a big queue??
It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.

How does the phone company know how much to bill you? Do you have a phone tech living with you writing down all your calls?
So, all the time this long and orderly queue was gathering momentum, none of the 'hijackers' intervened and told them to sit down and get their asses away from this 'magical' communication system?
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chipmunk stew wrote:Seriously? Here, I'll make it easy for you.
Err I'll need transcripts and witness statements as well.
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prole art threat wrote:
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prole art threat wrote: You were standing next to them all were you? It must have been a big queue??
It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.

How does the phone company know how much to bill you? Do you have a phone tech living with you writing down all your calls?
So, all the time this long and orderly queue was gathering momentum, none of the 'hijackers' intervened and told them to sit down and get their asses away from this 'magical' communication system?
You haven't been on a plane in the past decade, have you? There are air phones on the back of every seat.
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chipmunk stew wrote:Seriously? Here, I'll make it easy for you.
Err I'll need transcripts and witness statements as well.
Go for it. Tell us what you find.
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chipmunk stew wrote:
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chipmunk stew wrote: It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.

How does the phone company know how much to bill you? Do you have a phone tech living with you writing down all your calls?
So, all the time this long and orderly queue was gathering momentum, none of the 'hijackers' intervened and told them to sit down and get their asses away from this 'magical' communication system?
You haven't been on a plane in the past decade, have you? There are air phones on the back of every seat.
So, whilst all these callers were obviously using the air phones, the 'hijackers', out of the goodness of their hearts, let them make 'one last call'?
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chipmunk stew wrote:
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chipmunk stew wrote:Seriously? Here, I'll make it easy for you.
Err I'll need transcripts and witness statements as well.
Go for it. Tell us what you find.
I'm not going to look for it. Point it out and I may show an interest. Although I doubt there is much real evidence for hijackers with box cutters.
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prole art threat wrote: So, whilst all these callers were obviously using the air phones, the 'hijackers', out of the goodness of their hearts, let them make 'one last call'?
Airfone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone

And do you think that the hijackers are watching all the passengers all of the time? And what are the passengers going to do, ring 911?

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I notice that Airfone is a service offered by Verizon.
The Verizon building is right next to WTC7.

Coincidence? I think not ..... 8) 8) 8)

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Johnny Pixels wrote:
prole art threat wrote: So, whilst all these callers were obviously using the air phones, the 'hijackers', out of the goodness of their hearts, let them make 'one last call'?
Airfone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone

And do you think that the hijackers are watching all the passengers all of the time? And what are the passengers going to do, ring 911?
so if these calls were real, and im not saying they are not. howcome the people recieving these calls didnt alert the authoritys? the attacks started at 8.45 am it would of been impossible for the authoritys not to know hijackings were going off as they must of had calls from familys members calling the police ect after receiving such a call, and then passed on by police. so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long after the first impact at the wtc's. especially after the hijackers kindly allowed the passengers to give a tip off to the familys who could then pass them onto the police foiling the remainder of the plan ect. please dont tell me these family members didnt make someone aware an hijack had took place and that those at the top we not alerted in case of more when knowing alqeada were planning an attack before hand. ok the first plane may of been two late but i dont get the confusion they were having on the day that these planes might be hijacked or not when early phone calls gave the game away, or at least should off.
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also were there calls made from all 4 planes? or just 3, if just 3 why? if people on the other 3 flights managed why not on the other? also i thought they never found any blackboxes? or am i behind on info.
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marky 54 wrote;
...so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long after the first impact at the wtc's. especially after the hijackers kindly allowed the passengers to give a tip off to the familys who could then pass them onto the police foiling the remainder of the plan ect.

Marky, whilst it may seem easy for the police to simply pass on info and the plane/s are 'hindered' - what does this mean in practice?

If you did a bit of research you would realise just how many planes were in the air at that time. Which plane/s actually have 'hijackers' on? What exactly are you going to use to do the 'hindering' with?

There was a distinct lack of aviational resources available and even if you had 100 fighters at your disposal - are you simply going to start shooting down airliners willy nilly? There was tremendous confusion in the first hour as to what was happening and even if every passenger actually phoned the police directly, there would be a substantial lag whilst the message at to who and what made its way up the ladder to someone who could make a decision and have something to act upon it with.

It seems perfectly reasonable that there was confusion and to say 'so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long' - is plain daft given the circumstances and numbers of aircraft concerned.
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Smith, John your son mother...

Thats the way to make a call. Its original and the best way to do it when you are in a tricky situation.

Pretend your mother is a teacher and you are a pupil again...

Brilliant. Who could have thought this.
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telecasterisation wrote:marky 54 wrote;
...so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long after the first impact at the wtc's. especially after the hijackers kindly allowed the passengers to give a tip off to the familys who could then pass them onto the police foiling the remainder of the plan ect.

Marky, whilst it may seem easy for the police to simply pass on info and the plane/s are 'hindered' - what does this mean in practice?

If you did a bit of research you would realise just how many planes were in the air at that time. Which plane/s actually have 'hijackers' on? What exactly are you going to use to do the 'hindering' with?

There was a distinct lack of aviational resources available and even if you had 100 fighters at your disposal - are you simply going to start shooting down airliners willy nilly? There was tremendous confusion in the first hour as to what was happening and even if every passenger actually phoned the police directly, there would be a substantial lag whilst the message at to who and what made its way up the ladder to someone who could make a decision and have something to act upon it with.

It seems perfectly reasonable that there was confusion and to say 'so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long' - is plain daft given the circumstances and numbers of aircraft concerned.
Whilst I agree with you that you cant shoot down airliners 'willy nilly' would it of been 'plain daft' to even maybe scramble a couple? You know, just to get them in the air, following proceedure, like the other 67 times in the same year? Were there 1000's more planes in the air than usual?
And what was the reason for the 'distinct lack of resources available' on this day?

But hold on, thats right, sept 11 was some how different....
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telecasterisation wrote:marky 54 wrote;
...so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long after the first impact at the wtc's. especially after the hijackers kindly allowed the passengers to give a tip off to the familys who could then pass them onto the police foiling the remainder of the plan ect.

Marky, whilst it may seem easy for the police to simply pass on info and the plane/s are 'hindered' - what does this mean in practice?

If you did a bit of research you would realise just how many planes were in the air at that time. Which plane/s actually have 'hijackers' on? What exactly are you going to use to do the 'hindering' with?

There was a distinct lack of aviational resources available and even if you had 100 fighters at your disposal - are you simply going to start shooting down airliners willy nilly? There was tremendous confusion in the first hour as to what was happening and even if every passenger actually phoned the police directly, there would be a substantial lag whilst the message at to who and what made its way up the ladder to someone who could make a decision and have something to act upon it with.

It seems perfectly reasonable that there was confusion and to say 'so seems very starnge that they could of been confused about these planes and allow a few of them to fly around unhinded for so long' - is plain daft given the circumstances and numbers of aircraft concerned.
good points tele, but my point isnt that they should of shot them down or anything just that the confusion going of at the time ie: the air traffic controller asking if they should scramble some planes to an suspected hijack, and the guys says he dosnt know and that everyopne just left the room. my point is if the phone calls were real they would 100% knew it was hijacked from the suspitous behaviour of the airliner the fact they lost contact plus family members getting in contact about the phone calls they recieved, how much evidence is needed of a hijacking before they try to do something about it? the first plane might of slipped through and the second but with all the phone calls being made and family members raising awareness to the police how could the pentagon not be on alert for example?
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how can the whole world know it was a hijacking at the second impact 9am yet the american goverment not know untill an hour later? that dosnt make any sense. i knew soon as the second plane hit and my first thought was how many others are there? why wasnt that what those in control thought and why was they the last to know it was a terrorist attack? planes should of been in the air no matter how thick you are or how much confusion was going on. it was obvious at 9am and if family members were phoning to say they had received a phone call from a loved one saying they were on a hijacked plane , how on earth was it so hard to figure out?
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what would you do if your loved one made a call saying they were on a hijacked plane? sit there and do nothing or phone the police or something in the hope they can intercept somehow and bring them home safe? when its obvious they will die you would alert someone surely. so we have no contact the planes of courseand phone calls coming through, like i said the last two planes would of stuck out like a sore thumb, the first two may have not been enough time to act.
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chipmunk stew wrote:It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.
You do know American phone records are held by a private company? That company is Israeli owned, its partly funded by the Israeli government and its head office is in the same town as the head office of Mossad?

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Thermate wrote:
chipmunk stew wrote:It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.
You do know American phone records are held by a private company? That company is Israeli owned, its partly funded by the Israeli government and its head office is in the same town as the head office of Mossad?
The same town as the head of office of Mossad ????
Gasp !!!
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Whilst I accept what everyone has said about the phone calls, marky summed it up for me;
my point is if the phone calls were real they would 100% knew it was hijacked from the suspitous behaviour of the airliner
If you were an air traffic controller, or a military official, you hear about a call from a relative, forwarded by the police from a so-called relative on an airliner somewhere - how could you possibly know it was 100% genuine? Given time, perhaps you could satisfy yourself it was real, but in the circumstances, how do you know it wasn't a hoax, even now we question the authenticity of the calls??

I am still unsure what 'hindering' actually means.
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Thermate wrote:
chipmunk stew wrote:It was confirmed by phone records, doofus.
You do know American phone records are held by a private company? That company is Israeli owned, its partly funded by the Israeli government and its head office is in the same town as the head office of Mossad?

Just a heads up.
What kind of white nationalist, Jooos Did It conspiraloon website did you get that information from? Let me guess: American Free Press? Christopher Bollyn?

The phone records are held by the phone companies themselves. In the case of Airfone, that company is Verizon, based in New York.
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Ignatz wrote:I notice that Airfone is a service offered by Verizon.
The Verizon building is right next to WTC7.

Coincidence? I think not ..... 8) 8) 8)

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telecasterisation wrote:Whilst I accept what everyone has said about the phone calls, marky summed it up for me;
my point is if the phone calls were real they would 100% knew it was hijacked from the suspitous behaviour of the airliner
If you were an air traffic controller, or a military official, you hear about a call from a relative, forwarded by the police from a so-called relative on an airliner somewhere - how could you possibly know it was 100% genuine? Given time, perhaps you could satisfy yourself it was real, but in the circumstances, how do you know it wasn't a hoax, even now we question the authenticity of the calls??

I am still unsure what 'hindering' actually means.
And also, what are 911 going to do? Tell ATC that flight x has been hijacked? They still can't say where the planes are, which was the trouble. You can launch all the fighters you want, but you still have to find the airliners.

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chipmunk stew wrote:What kind of white nationalist, Jooos Did It conspiraloon website did you get that information from? Let me guess: American Free Press? Christopher Bollyn?
From a video, I don't do websites. I watch anything/everything I think can fill in another piece of the puzzle.
chipmunk stew wrote:The phone records are held by the phone companies themselves.
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Patrick Brown wrote:
Ignatz wrote:I notice that Airfone is a service offered by Verizon.
The Verizon building is right next to WTC7.

Coincidence? I think not ..... 8) 8) 8)

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Err whats's your point? You sound just like a CTer!! :roll:
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Thermate wrote:
chipmunk stew wrote:What kind of white nationalist, Jooos Did It conspiraloon website did you get that information from? Let me guess: American Free Press? Christopher Bollyn?
From a video, I don't do websites. I watch anything/everything I think can fill in another piece of the puzzle.
Ever researched in areas that are critical of the CT's, or just plain neutral ?

They can be quite enlightening. For example, just trawl around professional CD websites and you'll learn something about that particular subject. You might even be tempted to change your moniker.
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Bushwacker wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
Ignatz wrote:I notice that Airfone is a service offered by Verizon.
The Verizon building is right next to WTC7.

Coincidence? I think not ..... 8) 8) 8)

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Err whats's your point? You sound just like a CTer!! :roll:
That was the point, old chap!
Hmm more sophistry. :roll:
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Patrick Brown wrote:
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Patrick Brown wrote: Err whats's your point? You sound just like a CTer!! :roll:
That was the point, old chap!
Hmm more sophistry. :roll:
No, just sarcasm.
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Bushwacker wrote: And Mark Bingham's mother's comment that when he was in work, "official" mode he often used both names to her, are we to ignore that?
This is just such utter, utter *. Maybe someone answering a phone in 'official mode' would greet the caller with their full name. Im sure if this John Bingham character was calling his own mother this would not happen unless he was a half wit.

Everybody who works is in official mode during working hours, what is so special about this bloke.

This is just utter bs.
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prole art threat wrote:
Bushwacker wrote: And Mark Bingham's mother's comment that when he was in work, "official" mode he often used both names to her, are we to ignore that?
This is just such utter, utter *. Maybe someone answering a phone in 'official mode' would greet the caller with their full name. Im sure if this John Bingham character was calling his own mother this would not happen unless he was a half wit.

Everybody who works is in official mode during working hours, what is so special about this bloke.

This is just utter bs.
Then why wasn't his mother surprised or suspicious when she took the call? If she didn't think it was her son, why didn't she hang up?

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