Jon Ronson 9/11 Truth hatchet job

[suspecta]

Ronson's strings are being pulled by the 'berg' mafia[Lundberg] so you can bet there is a zionist agenda somewhere in what he does like most of the zionist television bs we have to suffer.

Ronson reacted unfavourably to to Mason-free's comment above, whereupon you accused him of playing the race card.

Mason-free's remarks were exactly what a rabid anti-Semite would say. It's the kind of thing rabid anti-Semites frequently say. Mason-free might not have meant it in an anti-Semitic way, but as a Jew myself, if I was Jon Ronson and came here looking for some debate about 9-11 and been regaled with that soon after I arrived, I would think: 'eek, anti-Semites. I'm outta here.'

Yes he treats the whole 9-11 thing too lightly, I couldn't agree with you more, but I'll say it again - he wasn't wrong to react to Mason-free the way he did - I'd have done the same myself. And I say that as an anti-Zionist.

Suspecta

[Abandoned Ego]

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[mason-free party]

no coincidence that 'Ally' posts the Ronson article...brothers in crime..just look at the number of thread views,bloody infestation of mi5 shills

[kbo234]

Henry Makow is a Jewish writer who lives in Canada. He invented the board game "Scruples". From all the reading and other research I have done around 9/11, I find his interpretation of our global political reality is spot on. More than any other writer, this guy, for me, has got it right.

His latest article is particularly apposite for posting on this thread. Read it to the end and you will see why.

The Illuminati World of "Make Believe"

November 04, 2006
By Henry Makow Ph.D.

If you asked Genghis Khan for his formula for world conquest, you'd expect to hear "overwhelming force" or "brute violence."

You would NOT expect him to say, "'Make-believe.'"

"Make-believe?" Who is this, a diabolical Disney?

Yet in the First Protocol of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the author says three times, Our Countersign is "Force and Make-believe."

By "make-believe" I assume he means Mass Deception.

I finally noticed this because of something I read in "The Truth About the Slump" (1931) by A.N. Field. It appears that Illuminati Jewish bankers financed the Bolshevik Revolution in exchange for ownership of Russian industry. (pp.62-72)

German Secret Service documents instructed the Bolsheviks to "destroy the Russian capitalists as far as you please, but it would by no means be possible to permit the destruction of Russian enterprises."

The German Imperial Bank sent the Bolsheviks in excess of 60 million rubles. In this context, Field cites Documents 10 and 11 between the bankers and the Bolsheviks: "They give a complete synopsis of the terms on which the German banks after the war were to control Russian industry." (p. 69)

Of course German Secret Service Chief Max Warburg, the brother of US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Warburg, was behind this. We're talking about international bankers and their confederates here.

Excuse me but I was taught Communism was about equality and "public ownership," and the workers rose up to overthrow capitalist tyranny. I was not taught that Communism was a clever scheme by which certain capitalists paid Lenin and Trotsky to steal the wealth of other capitalists while pretending to promote the cause of workers.

The international bankers used US Treasury money to finance both the Bolshevik Revolution and the USSR. (Collective Speeches of Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman, House Banking Committee, p 397.)

What a triumph of "Make-believe" Communism was! Think of the millions of idealists who devoted their lives to this farce? Think of the millions who died in World War Two when the same bankers financed Hitler to keep Stalin in line? Think of the trillions of dollars spent in the Cold War? "Make-believe!" Think of how little we in the West hear of Stalin's or Mao's atrocities compared to Hitler's. (See my "The Other Side of Holocaust Denial")

If Communism was a ruse, we can assume that every major historical event and cultural trend in modern Western History, including the religion of "secular humanism and modernism", are also the product of "Make-believe."

If they could pull off the Communist fraud, the 9-11 attacks and the "War on Terror" are small potatoes.

How do they do it? They control the instruments of "Make-believe": the mass media and "education" system.


ZIONISM

Some people think the central bankers are instituting their world dictatorship on behalf of the Jewish people. This is understandable since the same bankers (Rothschild, Schiff, Warburgs etc.) have been the official leaders of the Jewish community. They finance Jewish organizations and political movements where Jews are prominent. But if Communism was a ruse, certainly the others, Feminism, Liberalism, Socialism, Neo Conservatism and Zionism, are also fraudulent. As much as anyone, Jews are the target and victims of Illuminati banker "Make-believe."

Louis B. Marshall, (1856-1929) the Counsel to bankers Kuhn Loeb, which represented the Rothschilds said in a letter Sept. 26 1918, "Zionism is but an incident of a far-reaching plan: it is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon."

Gee, how would Jews who dedicated their lives to this dream of a "national homeland" react to this news? Or to the information that the new Israeli Supreme Court is filled with Masonic symbolism designed to serve the New World Order?

Recalling that "force" is the other half of the formula, Marshall's letter ended with a threat to non-Zionist Jews: "All the protests they may make would be futile. It would subject them individually to hateful and concrete examples of a most impressive nature. Even if I were disposed to combat Zionism, I would shrink from the possibilities that might result."

This letter was addressed to Max Senior, a businesman and philanthropist, who had asked Marshall to speak against Zionism at a rally. The threat is indicative of the gangster tactics Zionists used against the Jewish community. Senior was quick to react. He replied to Marshall Sept. 30 1918:

"I repudiate any connection on national, religious, racial or cultural grounds, with 'national home-land for the Jews in Palestine.' We have seen how demoralizing a divided allegiance was to the Germans in this country. I do not pretend to know the inside political history and intricacies of policy at which you hint...I am not to be intimated into silence by either of the threats you mention...I regard the real danger to the Jew to lie in the silent acquiescence to the Zionist claims." (L. Fry, Waters Flowing Eastward, p.55)

CONCLUSION

J. Edgar Hoover famously said: "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

Communism and Zionism are just "incidents in a far reaching plan" to create a "world government" dictatorship run by the central bankers dedicated to Lucifer. The "powerful weapon" is the energy of organized Jewry in helping to overthrow the Christian basis of Western Civilization and ushering in the "New Age." If necessary, Jews again can be sacrificed in the bankers' twisted megalomaniacal game.

Communism is satanic. Its emblem, the five-pointed star, is Satanic. The Communist Manifesto calls for the destruction of the family, culture, science and religion (atheism), the confiscation of property and inheritance, control of communication and dictatorship. It also called for private central banks and income tax.

It troubles me that the central bankers behind Communism are also behind 9-11 and the War on Terror. It troubles me that Zionists ( i.e. Neo-Cons) figure largely in fostering the next stage of the "Far reaching plan", which is the "Clash of Civilizations."

I don’t believe Jews could have accomplished this without the cooperation of non-Jewish elites organized in corporate cartels and secret societies like Freemasonry, the Pilgrim Society, Skull and Bones, Mormons, Fabians, Theosophists and the Bilderbergs. Essentially the New World Order is the extension of British-American imperialism, which always was the expression of a small Jewish-Gentile plutocracy.

It troubles me that, thanks to "Make-believe," the masses (Jewish and non-Jewish alike) live in a fool's paradise unaware of the darkness descending on them. And those who pierce the "Make-believe" to alert the masses are accused of "hate"
http://www.savethemales.ca/

[Abandoned Ego]

Henry Makow is a Jewish writer who lives in Canada. He invented the board game "Scruples". From all the reading and other research I have done around 9/11, I find his interpretation of our global political reality is spot on. More than any other writer, this guy, for me, has got it right.

His latest article is particularly apposite for posting on this thread. Read it to the end and you will see why.

The Illuminati World of "Make Believe"

November 04, 2006
By Henry Makow Ph.D.

If you asked Genghis Khan for his formula for world conquest, you'd expect to hear "overwhelming force" or "brute violence."

You would NOT expect him to say, "'Make-believe.'"

"Make-believe?" Who is this, a diabolical Disney?

Yet in the First Protocol of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," the author says three times, Our Countersign is "Force and Make-believe."

By "make-believe" I assume he means Mass Deception.

I finally noticed this because of something I read in "The Truth About the Slump" (1931) by A.N. Field. It appears that Illuminati Jewish bankers financed the Bolshevik Revolution in exchange for ownership of Russian industry. (pp.62-72)

German Secret Service documents instructed the Bolsheviks to "destroy the Russian capitalists as far as you please, but it would by no means be possible to permit the destruction of Russian enterprises."

The German Imperial Bank sent the Bolsheviks in excess of 60 million rubles. In this context, Field cites Documents 10 and 11 between the bankers and the Bolsheviks: "They give a complete synopsis of the terms on which the German banks after the war were to control Russian industry." (p. 69)

Of course German Secret Service Chief Max Warburg, the brother of US Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Warburg, was behind this. We're talking about international bankers and their confederates here.

Excuse me but I was taught Communism was about equality and "public ownership," and the workers rose up to overthrow capitalist tyranny. I was not taught that Communism was a clever scheme by which certain capitalists paid Lenin and Trotsky to steal the wealth of other capitalists while pretending to promote the cause of workers.

The international bankers used US Treasury money to finance both the Bolshevik Revolution and the USSR. (Collective Speeches of Congressman Louis T. McFadden, Chairman, House Banking Committee, p 397.)

What a triumph of "Make-believe" Communism was! Think of the millions of idealists who devoted their lives to this farce? Think of the millions who died in World War Two when the same bankers financed Hitler to keep Stalin in line? Think of the trillions of dollars spent in the Cold War? "Make-believe!" Think of how little we in the West hear of Stalin's or Mao's atrocities compared to Hitler's. (See my "The Other Side of Holocaust Denial")

If Communism was a ruse, we can assume that every major historical event and cultural trend in modern Western History, including the religion of "secular humanism and modernism", are also the product of "Make-believe."

If they could pull off the Communist fraud, the 9-11 attacks and the "War on Terror" are small potatoes.

How do they do it? They control the instruments of "Make-believe": the mass media and "education" system.


ZIONISM

Some people think the central bankers are instituting their world dictatorship on behalf of the Jewish people. This is understandable since the same bankers (Rothschild, Schiff, Warburgs etc.) have been the official leaders of the Jewish community. They finance Jewish organizations and political movements where Jews are prominent. But if Communism was a ruse, certainly the others, Feminism, Liberalism, Socialism, Neo Conservatism and Zionism, are also fraudulent. As much as anyone, Jews are the target and victims of Illuminati banker "Make-believe."

Louis B. Marshall, (1856-1929) the Counsel to bankers Kuhn Loeb, which represented the Rothschilds said in a letter Sept. 26 1918, "Zionism is but an incident of a far-reaching plan: it is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon."

Gee, how would Jews who dedicated their lives to this dream of a "national homeland" react to this news? Or to the information that the new Israeli Supreme Court is filled with Masonic symbolism designed to serve the New World Order?

Recalling that "force" is the other half of the formula, Marshall's letter ended with a threat to non-Zionist Jews: "All the protests they may make would be futile. It would subject them individually to hateful and concrete examples of a most impressive nature. Even if I were disposed to combat Zionism, I would shrink from the possibilities that might result."

This letter was addressed to Max Senior, a businesman and philanthropist, who had asked Marshall to speak against Zionism at a rally. The threat is indicative of the gangster tactics Zionists used against the Jewish community. Senior was quick to react. He replied to Marshall Sept. 30 1918:

"I repudiate any connection on national, religious, racial or cultural grounds, with 'national home-land for the Jews in Palestine.' We have seen how demoralizing a divided allegiance was to the Germans in this country. I do not pretend to know the inside political history and intricacies of policy at which you hint...I am not to be intimated into silence by either of the threats you mention...I regard the real danger to the Jew to lie in the silent acquiescence to the Zionist claims." (L. Fry, Waters Flowing Eastward, p.55)

CONCLUSION

J. Edgar Hoover famously said: "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

Communism and Zionism are just "incidents in a far reaching plan" to create a "world government" dictatorship run by the central bankers dedicated to Lucifer. The "powerful weapon" is the energy of organized Jewry in helping to overthrow the Christian basis of Western Civilization and ushering in the "New Age." If necessary, Jews again can be sacrificed in the bankers' twisted megalomaniacal game.

Communism is satanic. Its emblem, the five-pointed star, is Satanic. The Communist Manifesto calls for the destruction of the family, culture, science and religion (atheism), the confiscation of property and inheritance, control of communication and dictatorship. It also called for private central banks and income tax.

It troubles me that the central bankers behind Communism are also behind 9-11 and the War on Terror. It troubles me that Zionists ( i.e. Neo-Cons) figure largely in fostering the next stage of the "Far reaching plan", which is the "Clash of Civilizations."

I don’t believe Jews could have accomplished this without the cooperation of non-Jewish elites organized in corporate cartels and secret societies like Freemasonry, the Pilgrim Society, Skull and Bones, Mormons, Fabians, Theosophists and the Bilderbergs. Essentially the New World Order is the extension of British-American imperialism, which always was the expression of a small Jewish-Gentile plutocracy.

It troubles me that, thanks to "Make-believe," the masses (Jewish and non-Jewish alike) live in a fool's paradise unaware of the darkness descending on them. And those who pierce the "Make-believe" to alert the masses are accused of "hate"
http://www.savethemales.ca/

Sigh.......

"What a good thing it is for nations leaders that their people dont think" - Adolf Hitler

KBO, might I just ask you to look at this thread ?

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewt ... 5789#35789

Having read "Blackbear"s Identical post, perhaps you might address my concerns about the likes of this kind of stuff ?

[kbo234]

Sigh.......

"What a good thing it is for nations leaders that their people dont think" - Adolf Hitler

KBO, might I just ask you to look at this thread ?

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewt ... 5789#35789

Having read "Blackbear"s Identical post, perhaps you might address my concerns about the likes of this kind of stuff ?

OK, Suspecta. You are obviously offended by Makow's article which you see as racist. I am pretty offended by your Hitler quote.

9/11 was not some sort of abstract reality. Someone did it....or, rather, some group of criminals did it. Without blathering on at length, I aggree with Makow's analysis. The Rothschilds and their extended network have moved from having a small local influence in Germany in the mid-1700's to controlling the vast majority of the world's currencies today. This has not happened by accident. They joined forces with and married into European aristocracy. This most powerful group have created wars and destroyed empires to get where they are today. Also, they have the power to do these things. They control governments. One of their lesser achievements is, having planned and implemented 9/11, keeping controversial 9/11 evidence from the public by keeping it out of the mainstream media. You do accept that there is happening, don't you.

If you see anti-semitism everywhere then it is difficult to know how to continue to engage with this. The truth is the truth. Zionism is central to what is and has been going on for the last 100 years or so.

A Jewish elite together with a broader European/US elite are the dominant interest creating our nightmares......to further their goal of achieving a NWO one-world government.

If you expect us to address these issues without referring to Zionism or a Jewish elite in any way, I don't think it is possible.

[ian neal]

My advise to everyone who believes that the world is controlled by a zionist cabal is to dig deeper and understand the games that are played.

Ultimately the faith and origin of those that hold and abuse the most power in the world is irrelevent.

It is irrelevent to us, the bulk of humanity who are treated like little more than sheep, by the ruling elites.

Our responsibility is to understand we have been systematically hoodwinked, to realise we are many and they are few and to retake control over our own destinies.

And I believe you will find it is irrelevent to them. The fact that GWB proclaims himself a born again Christain doesn't make it so, so why imagine that those who proclaim themselves Jewish zionists are necessarily sincere in their faith.

This has nothing to do with zionism or judaism or christianity or islam other than as useful labels to push peoples' buttons and manipulate opinion. So I say to all those who constantly want to educate us as to how a cabal of powerful zionists run the world, you are being played.

Indeed many of you may be the players, deliberately linking 9/11 truth with zionism and zionism with anti-semiticism and 'racism'. Muddying the waters and stoking the fires until we end up with polarised belief systems and a clash of civilisations between 'good' and 'evil'. Now whose agenda does that fulfiul I wonder?

[kbo234]

... so why imagine that those who proclaim themselves Jewish zionists are necessarily sincere in their faith.

Of course.

[kbo234]

This has nothing to do with zionism or judaism or christianity or islam other than as useful labels to push peoples' buttons and manipulate opinion. So I say to all those who constantly want to educate us as to how a cabal of powerful zionists run the world, you are being played.

Indeed many of you may be the players, deliberately linking 9/11 truth with zionism and zionism with anti-semiticism and 'racism'. Muddying the waters and stoking the fires until we end up with polarised belief systems and a clash of civilisations between 'good' and 'evil'. Now whose agenda does that fulfiul I wonder?

Whose agenda does it fulfil to completely ignore these issues? Understanding these things will not 'muddy the waters'. Ignoring them will inevitably reduce conflict between us, yes......but this is because we are all so brainwashed in the first place.

[andyb]

Why do all you people who bang on about the Zionists always seem to fail to mention the security services(CIA, MI6, ISI, Mossad,etc) who had the power to carry out something like this? This is where the eveidence takes us the rest is speculation that is harmful to the campaign.

[ian neal]

Andy, I think you hit the nail on the head. It is not that discussion of zionism and Israel is off limits. The activities of PNAC and MOSSAD have a place on discussion forums such as this.

But it is a question of balance and the impression that is given to the casual reader. Other security services, elites and cabals are as relevent in terms of placing 9/11 in context. What about the masons or the papal cabal or skull and boners or the mafia or various drug cartels or bilderbergers or CFRers or the web of interests and connections that link so many seemingly disconnected people and organisations, etc, etc.

When someone's mantra is, 'it's all a zionist conspiracy' I tell you, I say they are playing straight into the hands of the PTB. KBO, you acknowledge that many Jewish zionists maybe insincere in their faith, presumably merely using it as a smoke screen behind which to hide in much the same way as GWB is born again whilst owing a blood oath to the skull and bones. That then leaves the question, why would they do that?

Surely if that is the case it is because they use their proclamations of jewishness' as a protective barrier, so that whenever anyone criticises powerful zionists they can cry anti-semiticism. In other words the more people portray the global elite as a zionist controlled elite (which I don't believe anyway), the more they play straight into their hands.

If you want expose the wickedness of successive Israeli governments, here are my top tips for issues to focus on

The terrorist outrages that underpinned Israel's formation
The ongoing state terrorism against Muslim civilians in the West Bank and Gaza
The USS Liberty

And when looking for sources to make a case, keep to the mainstream media and jewish sites which are critical of zionism such as jews against zionism.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Do that and you won't go far wrong. And then move on to expose the others crimes of global elites who aren't jewish or zionists. That way as a forum we present a more balanced picture and rebuff the claims of people like Jon Ronson.

[brian]

I posted this interview the other day on this thread -

An extract -

--Silvia Cattori: An investigation on what, exactly?



Youssef Aschkar: On the neocons who rule the Pentagon and are the cause of so many humanitarian disasters! On what really happened on September 11, 2001! On who is really running the war in Iraq! Is it Mr. Bush, or is it these monsters at the Pentagon who use mercenaries to carry out secret operations in the Middle East? --

-- The new masters are of a different kind: they are connected to the monstrous team of the neocons, who act in all four corners of the globe by means of their networks and their mercenaries. The economic sphere is in full submission to their project --

Full interview below -

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20ed ... %20Opinion%

Who has the power to have "The economic sphere is in full submission to their project"

Rothschild on central banking -

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests." - Rothschild Brothers of London communiqué to associates in New York June 25, 1863
-

Who has the power to control the media?

Who has the power to gain silence and aquiescence from other States and their agencies?


Who gave us the document "A Clean Break" - the Zionist forerunner to the PNAC document calling for the New Pearl Harbour"? The PNAC document itself a mainly Zionist concoction.

Who are clearly up to their necks in the events of Sept 11?

To go on about a global elite without specifics makes us sound like any old leftist conspiracy theorists. Without doubt many in major positions of power are not in any way Zionists but as the Rothschild quote above shows they are hostage to the bankers.

To start to unravel the crime of Sept 11 it is surely sensible to point to those who called for it, were clearly involved, have gained from it and are milking it dry.

They are the Zionists. Wherever that unravelling leads we can let the chips fall where they may.

[Skeptic]

Yes, Andy's point re: intellegence services is spot on. If you are going to point the finger at any groups, intellegence services are by far the most pragmatic target.

On the other hand, once discussion turns towards groups and not individuals focus is drawn away from those responsible.

Instead of attributing responsibility for crimes to 'zionists', why not discuss Richard Perle, Douglas Feith etc instead and let their mtoivations and affiliations be discovered/ proved later.

[alkmyst]

Ever wondered why there is so much effort put in to preventing open debate on Zionism?

As I am sure that many contributors to this forum are aware, there is absolutely nothing Christian about the Catholic church.

Whilst it must be acknowledged that there are many, within the Catholic faith, who endeavour to live their lives according to the basic tenets of the Christian teachings, the reality is that the Vatican is rather more patient (and subtle) than the child-like arrogance of the NeoCons, in pursuing their hegemonic goals.

However, the Vatican and their Jesuit 'military' are well aware of the 12th Century prophecy of St. Malachy. Malachy is accredited with foretelling the destinies of a total of 112 popes from Celestine II. It is reported that Pope John Paul II (#110) lived in trepidation that he would meet the Anti-Christ during the course of his lifetime.

The present Pope (Benedict XVI) is therefore #111 in the sequence.

St. Malachy said of the final incumbent, "In the final days of the Roman Church, there will reign Peter of Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful judge will judge the people."

Consider the possibility that the reference to the seven-hilled city, is actually a reference to Jerusalem. The dreadful judge perhaps being a reference to the Anti-Christ; Pope #112?

In 1909, Pope Pius X experienced a mystical vision which absolutely terrified him; writing, "Will it be myself or one of my successors?"
In his vision, he saw the Pope leaving Rome, for the last time, walking over the dead bodies of his priests.

If this is to be the case, the next Pope will preside over the destruction of Jerusalem and take his seat in the Holy City; the stated goal of the Jesuit extremists.

Although many people are waking up to the Machiavellian agenda of the Jesuits, most are still hung up on looking at the machinations of the Zionists! Thus the role of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is to prevent any debate over the role of the Zionists by crying "Anti-Semite" at any given opportunity. The outcry over Dr. Steven E. Jones' recent comments, leading to his 'resignation' from Brigham Young University, being a classic example.

This is a brilliant strategy; failure to penetrate the Zionist agenda ensures that there is very little comprehension of the Jesuit power play. To put it in perspective, the Zionists to the Jesuits are as Al-Qaeda to the CIA. The name of the game is to establish exactly who is manipulating whom!

The Zionists are nothing more than a patsy front. Protecting the patsy is very effective in protecting the puppet master(s). To those who hold the (purse) strings, the state of Israel is as expendable as the 655,000+ Iraqi civilians and the 4,000+ US & British servicemen killed in the illegal post 9/11 military incursions.

To deny the role of the Zionist agenda in the current geopolitical hegemony is as intellectually dishonest as denying the extreme terror tactics used by Ben Gurion and the Stern gang, in their quest to establish a Jewish homeland in the 1940's. To raise this point in open forum will inevitably invite cries of 'anti-semitism' from intellectual pygmies as well as those who have sold their soul to the most brutal deity in recorded mythology. Such a reaction should be the first clue that you might actually be on to something!

9/11 was the opening play, signalling the commecement of the final stages of this particular game. If participants of this forum are genuinely interested in making a difference, they must be prepared to probe without fear of where the cards may fall.

As a matter of interest, Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, leader of the Jesuits (Black Pope) since 1973, announced earlier this year that he will retire in 2008. The choice of his successor will be most telling ... to say nothing of the successor to Pope Benedict XVI!

Now Jon boy, drop the whinging victim BS that you present as a poor excuse for quality journalism and do some serious research, preferably without the constraint of seeing anti-semitic 'code-words' at the turn of every page!

Al K Myst

[lostpomme]

Bravo. I agree one hundred percent.

...and here comes the predictable "Anti semite" backlash... 5...4...3...

[kbo234]

.....In other words the more people portray the global elite as a zionist controlled elite (which I don't believe anyway), the more they play straight into their hands.

I'm tired and dejected by this argument. Let me acknowledge that even discussing these issues is probably harmful to this movement in as much as it gives persons who wish to attack us, ammunition to go about it. It is harmful because the people we are trying to relate to have been conditioned to feel outrage at some of the suggestions that have been made by quite a few individuals in earlier posts. This does not mean that those posts were untrue.

The Elite is not Zionist controlled ( I am baffled that you should think I have been saying that, Ian). The Elite use Zionism as a tool to achieve their agenda, which is quite a different thing. They are not controlled by Zionism. They don't give a fig for it or for the Jews. All they care about is achieving a NWO and getting complete control of the world. These worshippers of power and wealth are Satanists if they are anything. There is plenty of evidence that indicates that this is, amazingly, the case.

Yes, the CIA, Mossad, maybe MI6, the SIS ( the security services) organised and carried out the crime. We know this. I don't even see the point of saying this Andy, it is so obvious....but these people are all employees. They are not the real power that made it happen. The question is who gives these secret services their orders.....anyone who thinks it is George Bush or Tony Blair needs their head examining.

The reason, I think, that it is important for society at large to examine Zionism is because it is the wicked offspring of an already false faith, Talmudic Judaism.
I am a Christian, or try to be. And although Christianity is firstly about the love and acceptance of all humanity, indeed all that is, Christ did not hesitate to expose spiritual wickedness. His targets in the new Testament were the lawyers, the scribes and, most of all, the Pharisees, the original Talmudists who took the 'Golden Rule' and turned it into a race- and ego-centred creed, a principle for Jews alone. The Talmud, a 'holy' book, is still full of the most shocking passages that describe how a Jew is allowed to treat the 'goyim'. Most Jews take no notice of this at all. Fine. However, it must be noted that 'Zionism' takes the Talmud's (Godless, in fact) message to a whole new level. The divisions caused by these creeds should be examined. It is no accident that a determinedly wicked disposition creates a disastrous consequence. You might think we should just shrug our shoulders and look away from this thing but I don't, although I will endevour to say no more about it here.

Exposing and attacking Zionism is about destroying Satan's tools. If Zionism is understood by people it will be rejected, for people are God-made and will reject evil when they can recognise it as such.

There is a God. This is the bottom line for me. I know there is a God and though anyone on this site might attack me for saying so (although most, I know, will not) words cannot touch a faith that is beyond words. God is Love. We have a mind. Behind that we have a subconscious and somewhere behind that we are all one in a universal connection with the great light and loving reality we call God. Humans sometime experience this light. Normally, it seems, during an experience of total psychic collapse although for others such experiences can arrive quite unexpectedly and gratuitously. In this place we are all one, in losing your sense of identity you become, paradoxically, more yourself than you ever were before.
Christ was possessed by this Spirit to an unparalleled degree. What is good enough for Him is good enough for me. He said,

"Satan is Prince of this world" and commanded us to choose God and follow His commandments.

Ultimately, the struggle today is the same as the struggle was then. Although we may hope for it, we must not expect a victory in this world but by choosing what is Good we will transform the world more than we know and, moreover, move ever closer to our creator in the eternal realm.

THIS is the battle most worth winning. It is why every individual is here.

[alkmyst]

Perhaps the time is now right to encourage more researchers to focus some energy towards the Jesuit agenda.

As you have surmised, the Zionists are the patsies in all of this. The Jesuits would like to see all those who consider themselves to be Jewish to return to their 'homeland'...so that when they initiate the final war between the Muslim nations & the Jewish 'homeland', there is as much mutual destruction as it is possible to engineer ...and believe me, they've had a lot of practice.

The Jesuits other agenda is to subjugate all 'Protestant' nations ....regardless of the cost, because the US Tax Payers fund the Jesuit wars via Federal Taxes, which go directly to the Jesuit controlled Federal Reserve, otherwise known as the 'Bank of Rome'. As portrayed most eloquently in Aaron Russell's recently released film ''From Freedom to Fascism'

Ultimately, the Holy Office (21st Century Inquisition) wishes to return to a time when the heretics can be eliminated. There are scores to settle, mainly with the UK and the US because these nations rebelled against Rome. Tony Blair's recent visit to the Vatican probably gave his Jesuit masters an opportunity to brief him on the next stage of the gameplan.

"...but he's not Catholic," I hear you shout.

Well, not yet ... but there is a strong possibility that he will adopt the Catholic faith just as soon as he leaves No.10. If he does go Catholic, it will be a signal to the Jesuits that he has addressed his given tasks ... i.e. eroding personal freedoms and British national sovereignty. Thankfully, he cannot now achieve his primary goals of either taking Britain into the Euro zone or forcing the obscenity known as the European Constitution on the British people.

As I mentioned this Rabbit Hole runs so deep that it is beyond the comprehension of some of the most seasoned researchers. It is certainly not possible to introduce the Jesuit connection until people have worked through the following stages:

1). 9/11 Truth
2). The NeoCon Agenda
3). The history of Fake Terror
4). The Zionist Connection
5). Mossad/CIA(ISI)/MI6 Black Ops

Then and only then, is it possible to probe the next layer of the onion!

As mentioned in a previous post, it is prophesised by St. Malachy, that there will be just one more Pope after the present incumbent. Will that be because the next Pope assumes the role of Global Dictator ...or will it be because the people start to realise how the Roman Church has subjugated humanity by their perverse religion ... and reclaim their birthright?

The rabbit hole runs very deep and if you elect to go deeper ... you must be ready to re-learn everything that you thought you knew. This is the process of Metanoia...and it has nothing to do with 'repentence' as it was mis-translated in the KJ version of the orthodox canon ... but everything to do with changing the way you think!

Make no mistake ...this next leg of the journey is not for the faint-hearted.

FYI - Bill Clinton attended the Jesuit financed Georgetown University and as for the Jesuit relationship with Skull & Bones, see the last link below.

Peruse the following links for a bit more information:

www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html

www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Conspiracies.htm

www.reformation.org/secrets-of-the-bank-of-rome.html

www.reformation.org/federal-reserve.html

www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/ ... tanic.html

www.reformation.org/don-francis-borgia.html

Bon chance.

By the way, this ain't the end of the story... not by a long chalk!

Al K Myst

[ian neal]

I'm tired and dejected by this argument. Let me acknowledge that even discussing these issues is probably harmful to this movement in as much as it gives persons who wish to attack us, ammunition to go about it.

KBO

It is not so much discussing these issues that is harmful, but how they are discussed that is the issue. Hence my advice to use mainstream sources or sources such as jews against zionism and focus on a few key issues such as the Stern gang terrorism, USS Liberty and the history of banking. This type of approach will be both effective and far less likely to offend others than say revisiting the holocaust.

There are numerous layers to the onion. The reason I choose to focus on 9/11 is the doors it will open. It will lead to a re-evaluation of press: why have they covered up so completely on the issue of 9/11 truth, re-evaluation of the military-banking-industrial-security-government complex in all major nations: it is not credible that they too are not implicated.

Once the PTB are held to account over 9/11 I expect a whole range of further dominos to topple. That is when the time will be right for the next layer of the onion to be peeled away. Hopefully this explains why my advice to other campaigners is to focus on 9/11 and issues directly related to the war on terror. It's not because I am unaware of a larger picture

[Abandoned Ego]

The Elite is not Zionist controlled ( I am baffled that you should think I have been saying that, Ian). The Elite use Zionism as a tool to achieve their agenda, which is quite a different thing. They are not controlled by Zionism. They don't give a fig for it or for the Jews. All they care about is achieving a NWO and getting complete control of the world. These worshippers of power and wealth are Satanists if they are anything. There is plenty of evidence that indicates that this is, amazingly, the case.

Agreed. "Zionism" is simply code language. Unfortunately it isnt the same code as was so cynically decoded by Mr Ronson. Perhaps he fell for the religion thing too ? I seriously, intuitively doubt it.

Yes, the CIA, Mossad, maybe MI6, the SIS ( the security services) organised and carried out the crime. We know this. I don't even see the point of saying this Andy, it is so obvious....but these people are all employees. They are not the real power that made it happen. The question is who gives these secret services their orders.....anyone who thinks it is George Bush or Tony Blair needs their head examining.

Again I would agree, but this time to a limited extent. I personally believe that these guys ( Bush and Bliar ) are about 2 rungs down the ladder. But they know the deal IMO

The reason, I think, that it is important for society at large to examine Zionism is because it is the wicked offspring of an already false faith, Talmudic Judaism.

Here, I completely disagree. The Talmud is the sacred text of anyone ultimately "au fait" with how the universe really works, which is of course why this book is the true base of belief of those Freemasons AT THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID. . Which is of course, to my mind at least why the Global elite observe it to the letter.

But of course anyone confusing the Talmud with Judaism , and what the Judaic religion stands for in general, is being conned.

I am a Christian, or try to be. And although Christianity is firstly about the love and acceptance of all humanity, indeed all that is, Christ did not hesitate to expose spiritual wickedness.

I would make 2 points here. Firstly just as christianity is about love and respect and being human, so is judaism, indeed SO IS HUMANITY. But secondly, the "christian faith" was principally established at the Council of Nicea in circa 320 AD, and the talisman of the faith, the Bible, is little more than a manipulative hoax.

KBO, I fully appreciate that you arent a bad guy. But were you aware of the above ? Are you aware of the ridiculous fallacy of the "official" life of Jesus ?

The bible is little more than yet another method of control. Ever considered that ? It was edited by Constantine the Great, who is incidentally a direct descendant of Bushco and the usual suspects.

If you care to IM me, I will give you some truly excellent links to prove what I just said.

Meanwhile, If you truly wish to know who God is. Have a look in the mirror.

And ,If you truly wish to know who Satan is. Have a look in the mirror.

I would challenge you to find anything in the talmud that would contradict the above comments. Ive never even read it , but I would be most surprised if there was

Meanwhile, of course the bible doesnt tell you this. Why ? Because its a damn control mechanism, used by the usual suspects to "put the fear of God into you" .

So the bottom line is this. When I see the likes of Ronson using the religion card to paint this movement as racist, I smell a real big rat.

I find it rather amusing that someone can allegedly take offence against what he describes as personal insults against his particular religious denomination, especially when He himself doesnt , according to himself, have any such faith !

I would of course give our friend the benefit of the doubt, except that as someone who has followed Icke around, he should as such should be all too familiar with the logical conclusions of Ickes research.

And finally, What did Icke say about 9/11 ?

"Alice in wonderland".

Are you there Jon ?

[alkmyst]

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ." - Pope Leo X; 1475 - 1521

There is nothing Christian about the Roman Church!

Al K Myst

[kbo234]

I'm tired and dejected by this argument. Let me acknowledge that even discussing these issues is probably harmful to this movement in as much as it gives persons who wish to attack us, ammunition to go about it.

KBO

It is not so much discussing these issues that is harmful, but how they are discussed that is the issue. Hence my advice to use mainstream sources or sources such as jews against zionism and focus on a few key issues such as the Stern gang terrorism, USS Liberty and the history of banking. This type of approach will be both effective and far less likely to offend others than say revisiting the holocaust.

There are numerous layers to the onion. The reason I choose to focus on 9/11 is the doors it will open. It will lead to a re-evaluation of press: why have they covered up so completely on the issue of 9/11 truth, re-evaluation of the military-banking-industrial-security-government complex in all major nations: it is not credible that they too are not implicated.

Once the PTB are held to account over 9/11 I expect a whole range of further dominos to topple. That is when the time will be right for the next layer of the onion to be peeled away. Hopefully this explains why my advice to other campaigners is to focus on 9/11 and issues directly related to the war on terror. It's not because I am unaware of a larger picture

Yes, OK Ian, you are right about showing restraint....and the rest no doubt. This thread is definitely not the best reading.
But, Let's face it, they take the biscuit, those Bl**dy Zi......(oops........)

[lostpomme]

Meanwhile, If you truly wish to know who God is. Have a look in the mirror.

And ,If you truly wish to know who Satan is. Have a look in the mirror.

And hence! the human condition!
The main point that everyone misses, the boogey men aren't out there, they're in here. It makes no diference wether you read the Bible, Koran, Talmud or the Yellow Pages, you will find the subject of your focus.