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Well done, you've wasted all your precious time saying....er....er...let me see.....absolutely nothing!

Your devotion to prove me wrong is admirable or is it just shear desperation that you feel it necessary to trawl through my posts in the hope of catching me out. Quite pathetic really.
My devotion is to the truth. You suggested that I wasn't clear on the beliefs that I attributed to you, so in the interest of fairness, I MADE myself clear. I went through your posts and learned what you ACTUALLY said, so I wouldn't mistakenly attack a position you didn't hold.

This is what people who really want to learn the truth do.
The fact that last night I made a statement of my beliefs surrounding the mystery of the twin tower collapses to which you now state that no CT ever says what they believe just shows how twisted your own understanding is of the debate. And when people have made reference to the bigger picture of 9/11, the issues of Iraq, Afgahanistan and Neo-Con policy, you suggest that such talk is just diversionary tactics.
Iraq and Afghanistan occured after the 9/11 attacks. You can't use them to explain why Larry Silverstein thought it would be a good idea to destroy his own building, or how a flight recorder was found in the Pentagon if no plane crashed there, or any number of other inconsistencies that make the CT "theory" non-viable.
What do you believe fluffy little owl beacause I haven't got a clue, basically because you don't appear to be clever enough to debate the issues properly.
A group of pissed-off Muslims did it. Isn't that obvious? I find nothing suspicious about this story because it does not require rampant speculation and the construction of numerous unknown entities to explain it. If there were a competing theory that came anywhere NEAR this criteria, I would certainly consider it.
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chek wrote:
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chek wrote: If we didn't already know better, your child-like innocence would be almost touching.
So you think that this plane can interrupt the holding pattern, be the plane that ATC is looking for, yet not be recognised by ATC as they guide it in to land, be guided to a non-existant landing spot, because all the others are taken by the commercial flights scheduled to land at that time, and then ground crew unload the passengers and baggage, but then forget that they ever did this? And if you're suggesting a substitute ground crew, how did they get past security, and not be remembered as a 100% brand new ground crew?

Like I said, more people in on the conspiracy
If you want to speculate, at least put some effort into it.
IF you want to make up conspiracy theories you could at least put some effort into them. You haven't come up with anything plausible yet. But keep trying, you'll get the hang of it.

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aggle-rithm wrote:
James C wrote:
Well done, you've wasted all your precious time saying....er....er...let me see.....absolutely nothing!

Your devotion to prove me wrong is admirable or is it just shear desperation that you feel it necessary to trawl through my posts in the hope of catching me out. Quite pathetic really.
My devotion is to the truth. You suggested that I wasn't clear on the beliefs that I attributed to you, so in the interest of fairness, I MADE myself clear. I went through your posts and learned what you ACTUALLY said, so I wouldn't mistakenly attack a position you didn't hold.

This is what people who really want to learn the truth do.
The fact that last night I made a statement of my beliefs surrounding the mystery of the twin tower collapses to which you now state that no CT ever says what they believe just shows how twisted your own understanding is of the debate. And when people have made reference to the bigger picture of 9/11, the issues of Iraq, Afgahanistan and Neo-Con policy, you suggest that such talk is just diversionary tactics.
Iraq and Afghanistan occured after the 9/11 attacks. You can't use them to explain why Larry Silverstein thought it would be a good idea to destroy his own building, or how a flight recorder was found in the Pentagon if no plane crashed there, or any number of other inconsistencies that make the CT "theory" non-viable.
What do you believe fluffy little owl beacause I haven't got a clue, basically because you don't appear to be clever enough to debate the issues properly.
A group of pissed-off Muslims did it. Isn't that obvious? I find nothing suspicious about this story because it does not require rampant speculation and the construction of numerous unknown entities to explain it. If there were a competing theory that came anywhere NEAR this criteria, I would certainly consider it.
You're not interested in considering anything other than your own opinion and exercise your right to criticise simply because you can't bear the thought that anyone else can think differently to you. Tough. It aint my fault that you've been duped by the propoganda. Look around you, it's al-qaeda this, al-qeada that, ID cards here, detention without trial there. Wake up! No wonder you use the owl as your image, you operate entirely in the dark.
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Thermite Flashes?

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 4378988281[/GVideo]

South Tower Quarter Speed: Thermite Flashes?

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 2613919232[/GVideo]
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James C wrote: You're not interested in considering anything other than your own opinion and exercise your right to criticise simply because you can't bear the thought that anyone else can think differently to you.
Any news yet on the rough sequence of events in your demolition theory James C?
I don't mind guessing what you mean, but you might not agree with the guesses so we'd all be wasting our time.
So remember - next time you can't find a parking spot, go to plan B: blow up your car
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Patrick Brown wrote:Thermite Flashes?
Unlikely PB. Thermite isn't used in controlled demolition.
So remember - next time you can't find a parking spot, go to plan B: blow up your car
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Patrick Brown wrote:Thermite Flashes?
Thermite doesn't flash. It is a sustained reaction, not a sparkle. Whoops.

What you are actually seeing is broken glass reflecting sunlight.
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Patrick Brown wrote:Thermite Flashes?
Unlikely
But it's not impossible that thermite may have been used and possibly the finer form that S Jone's postulates i.e. Nano-thermite.
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Patrick Brown wrote: But it's not impossible that thermite may have been used and possibly the finer form that S Jone's postulates i.e. Nano-thermite.
A mechanism for cutting vertical columns with any form of thermite has never been successfully demonstrated. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I agree, though, it's not technically impossible. There's just no evidence. It falls into the same catagory as an invisible king-kong-like monster and a Tom Cruise Scientology curse.
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Anti-sophist wrote:A mechanism for cutting vertical columns with any form of thermite has never been successfully demonstrated.
Maybe the nano-thermite was put inside the section of the columns. As a dust it could have been pumped in. BANG with a few “Linear Shaped Charges” you could almost imagine that you might get away with it!
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Patrick Brown wrote:
Anti-sophist wrote:A mechanism for cutting vertical columns with any form of thermite has never been successfully demonstrated.
Maybe the nano-thermite was put inside the section of the columns. As a dust it could have been pumped in. BANG with a few “Linear Shaped Charges” you could almost imagine that you might get away with it!
Now you're just being a troll.
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aggle-rithm wrote:
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Anti-sophist wrote:A mechanism for cutting vertical columns with any form of thermite has never been successfully demonstrated.
Maybe the nano-thermite was put inside the section of the columns. As a dust it could have been pumped in. BANG with a few “Linear Shaped Charges” you could almost imagine that you might get away with it!
Now you're just being a troll.
Sniff the foot.
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Patrick Brown wrote:
Anti-sophist wrote:A mechanism for cutting vertical columns with any form of thermite has never been successfully demonstrated.
Maybe the nano-thermite was put inside the section of the columns. As a dust it could have been pumped in. BANG with a few “Linear Shaped Charges” you could almost imagine that you might get away with it!
How long does it take to drill holes in structural steel?

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Johnny Pixels wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
Anti-sophist wrote:A mechanism for cutting vertical columns with any form of thermite has never been successfully demonstrated.
Maybe the nano-thermite was put inside the section of the columns. As a dust it could have been pumped in. BANG with a few “Linear Shaped Charges” you could almost imagine that you might get away with it!
How long does it take to drill holes in structural steel?
What does thermite do? (they would have, thats's you, burnt holes in the columns on the vacant floors and after the reaction had stopped (say a few days) would have pumped the nano-thermite dust in.

Go to the back of the class.

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Patrick Brown wrote:
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Patrick Brown wrote: Maybe the nano-thermite was put inside the section of the columns. As a dust it could have been pumped in. BANG with a few “Linear Shaped Charges” you could almost imagine that you might get away with it!
How long does it take to drill holes in structural steel?
What does thermite do? (they would have, thats's you, burnt holes in the columns on the vacant floors and after the reaction had stopped (say a few days) would have pumped the nano-thermite dust in.
Your guesswork on how it might be done is cute considering the only thing you know about thermite is what you read on conspiracy theorist websites.

Again, I repeat, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated. Your entire conspiracy theory exists based on the existance of a device that has never been shown to be possible.

Construct a thermite-based vertical column cutting device... bonus points if it also exhibits the flashes seen in the videos. Considering no such device yet exists, and thermite doesn't produce flashes... this should prove quite the obstacle to your little theory.
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Anti-sophist wrote:Again, I repeat, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated. Your entire conspiracy theory exists based on the existance of a device that has never been shown to be possible.

Construct a thermite-based vertical column cutting device... bonus points if it also exhibits the flashes seen in the videos. Considering no such device yet exists, and thermite doesn't produce flashes... this should prove quite the obstacle to your little theory.
“Nanothermite” or “Superthermite” is a fact just as RDX when used in a “Linear Shaped Charge” is a fact. This is not speculation the ability to melt through steel without using conventional explosives is a fact.

How the thermite was placed I can't be sure but it may well answer some unexplained question. Nanothermite is by it's nature is a very fine dust like substance. If we take it that nanothermite was used as part of the demolition process of the twin towers we can extrapolate. Lets consider that nanothermite which did not ignite may well have been present in the plumes of dust seen as the tower collapsed. This dust cloud could have caused flash fires as sparks of active nanothermite fell through the plumes.

What would cause the front of this car to be burnt in such a way but not the back, flash fires from and ignited dust cloud of nanothermite perhaps:

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On the right of the picture below you (molten) burn marks on the bonnet of the car.

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Aluminum nanoparticles have gained importance in the recent years because of their potential application as an energetic material, and thus knowledge of the reactivity of these particles and the effect of particle size on reactivity is of considerable interest. Here we have reported the size-resolved oxidation rates of aluminum nanoparticles using a quantitative single particle mass-spectrometer (QSPMS). Aluminum nanoparticles obtained from various sources were oxidized at a specified temperature (25o C – 1000o C) for a specified residence time (~ 1 sec) and were subsequently sampled by the QSPMS. The mass spectra were used to quantitatively determine the elemental composition and size of the individual particles. The observed oxidation rate was found to be consistent with the diffusion controlled oxidation reaction model. We also found the size-dependent diffusion controlled reaction rate constant in Arrehenius form, and showed that the rate constant increases with decrease in particle size.
We have also developed a phenomenological model to describe oxidation of aluminum nanoparticles. This model is based on the assumption that unlike micron sized particles, which burn with a boundary layer and a flame sitting on top of the particle, nanoparticle oxidation in free molecular regime is more of a surface phenomenon and depends on the transport of oxygen through the passivating oxide shell present around the nanoparticle. Physical and transport properties data, taken from molecular dynamics (MD) simulations and experimental measurements were incorporated in the model. MD simulations have also demonstrated the presence of large negative pressure gradients inside a coated nanoparticle at elevated temperatures. This causes a convective flux of oxygen which acts opposite to the diffusive flux and thereby reduces the oxidation rate. This effect has been taken into account using the Nerst-Einstein theory for oxygen transport.
http://ci.confex.com/ci/2005/techprogram/P1576.HTM
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Nanocomposite energetic materials composed of thermite materials are attractive because of their high exothermicity and extremely fast reactivity. While the possible combinations of fuel and oxidizer are nearly infinite, remarkably few combinations of nano-based thermites have been investigated. The most studied combinations are nano-Aluminum combined with Fe2O3, CuO and MoO3. These Al-oxidizer combinations are also termed as MIC (Metastable Intermolecular Composite). In this article, we present the synthesis of KMnO4 nanoparticles as a new high intensity oxidizer. We present a comparison of reactivity of the new MIC formulation (Al/KMnO4) with other traditional formulations. Reaction kinetics of MIC ignition was measured under confined combustion in terms of pressurization rate of a constant volume pressure vessel. The observed pressurization rate for the Al/KMnO4 (290 psi/µs) nanocomposite was about two orders of magnitude higher than that for Al/CuO and Al/MoO3 (~8 psi/µs) and several orders of magnitude higher than Al/Fe2O3 (0.01 psi/µs). We have attempted to explain our experimental observations with thermodynamic calculations of equilibrium species composition, which suggests that, at adiabatic flame temperatures of combustion, the pressurization rates are very strongly correlated to the fraction of nascent oxygen present in the reaction product.
http://ci.confex.com/ci/2005/techprogram/P1663.HTM
During early 2006, i informed the 911Scholars about unconventional weaponry,
who could have additionally forced the collapse.
There wasn't much response, but they added at least the TechReview link, i
added in my letter.

Since the recent overhype on Professor Jones new "findings", i'm less confused,
but more surprised, why Professor Jones didn't go a step further with his latest
paper.
In case, it gets lost again, here are all my sources. I'm not following up this right now,
so maybe someone else can pick it up and go from there.

(*thx also to "Mr. Thomas Potter" for original inspiration)

The current "RENSE" collection doesn't go deep enough and as usual does not mention any suspects.

The suspects for "nanoenergetics" aka superthermite as part of the unconventional part of the controlled demolition should be instead located at the "Center for NanoEnergetics Research" (created in Spring 2001, only a few months before 9/11), Department of Defense Contractor "NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc." (also founded during 2001), Sandia and Lawrence Livermore.


Center for NanoEnergetics Research
http://www.me.umn.edu/~mrz/CNER.htm
CNER is an Army funded center created in the spring of 2001 and exists at four university sites, with the University of Minnesota as the lead institution.


http://www.me.umn.edu/~mrz/CNER.htm
External Advisors-Collaborators

Dr. Alex Gash,Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL)
Dr. Carl Melius,Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL)
Dr. Andrzej Miziolek,Army Research Laboratory (ARL)
Dr. Betsy Rice,Army Research Laboratory (ARL)
Prof. Mintmire Oklahoma State University



link to www.cdc.gov
...Very little is known about the safety risks presented by engineered nanomaterials. From currently available information, the prevalent safety risks are most likely to involve catalytic effects or fire and explosion hazards....


"....Although insufficient information exists to predict the fire and explosion risk associated with nanoscale powders, nanoscale combustible material could present a higher risk than a similar quantity of coarser material...
...The greater activity of nanoscale materials forms a basis for research into nanoenergetics. For instance, nanoscale Al/MoO3 thermites ignite more than 300 times faster than corresponding micrometer-scale material...



link to www.bizjournals.com
November 25, 2005

A Texas company that has developed a powerful alternative to conventional lead-based munitions says it will commercialize and market its explosive compound through a spin-off company it plans to establish in New Mexico.


During a recent visit here, executives from Nanoenergetics Inc. said New Mexico's research and testing assets, economic incentives, growing private investment scene and accessible political leaders make it an ideal place to establish their new startup.

Nanoenergetics is being spun off from Austin-based Nanotechnologies Inc....


http://www.nanoscale.com/about.asp
Unique nanoparticles, reactor technology and enabling applications
NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc. is a leading manufacturer of precision-engineered nanoparticles, with average particle sizes between 10 to 50 nanometers. Our expertise is in metal and metal oxide powders that are pure, discrete, spherical, and highly crystalline nanoparticles. NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc.'s materials allow customers to build new classes of products that we have labeled ANEASM, or "Advanced Nanoparticle Enabled ApplicationsSM".

NANOTECHNOLOGIES Inc. management team
http://www.nanoscale.com/about_team.asp
Dr. Dennis Wilson - Chief Technology Officer, Chairman of the Board and Founder

Dennis is co-founder of NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc. and co-inventor of the proprietary process. He received his Ph.D. in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Texas in 1977, and has more than 30 years of experience in industry, government, and university research. Dennis' expertise is in hypervelocity physics, plasma dynamics, aerothermodynamics, and materials synthesis...

...Dennis has eight years of technology management as founder and president of Applied Sciences, Inc. He has also served as director of special projects at the Institute for Advanced Technology. In addition, Dennis has been awarded a NASA Faculty Research Fellowship on three occasions, a DoE Research Fellowship twice, and an AFOSR Research Fellowship...


Darrin Willauer - Vice President, Engineering
Darrin joined NANOTECHNOLOGIES, Inc. in 2000 and is responsible for engineering development activities for all projects and research programs.
...project engineer with Dowell Schlumberger,

Dr. Kurt Schroder - Chief Scientist
Dr. Schroder joined NANOTECHNOLOGIES Inc. in 2000 and is a co-inventor of the core processes. He holds an S.B. in Physics from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a Ph.D. in Physics from the University of Texas at Austin. He has over 15 years experience in plasma physics and pulsed power and has worked for industry, government, and academia. Kurt has numerous publications, 2 patents, and several patents pending in the following technology areas: vibration reduction and impact physics in hammers and sports rackets; blackbody radiation diagnostics and magnetic fluctuation measurements in tokamak plasmas; and onboard optical telemetry systems and launch package design and diagnostics on railguns.



link to www.cnanotech.com

Houston, Texas, January 24, 2002 -
Carbon Nanotechnologies, Inc. (CNI) said today that it has stepped up efforts to develop applications utilizing single-wall carbon nanotubes for defense and national security purposes. CNI has engaged the noted consulting firm of Technology Strategies & Alliances (TSA), headquartered in Burke, Virginia, near Washington, D. C., to assist in the strategic market development of national defense directed products. The company believes that an accelerated research effort will bring new and significantly improved products to market that can enhance national defense.

"The U.S. Department of Defense, the Navy, Air Force, Army, and NASA have been involved for some time in extensive research using single-wall carbon nanotubes or 'Buckytubes'," said Bob G. Gower, President of CNI. "We believe that Buckytubes can significantly enhance the ability of defense products to shield, absorb, or otherwise modify electro-magnetic signals, key needs in many mission-critical areas...


Molecular Nano Weapons: Research in China and Talk in the West
link to www.newsmax.com
Friday, Feb. 27, 2004

The Impact of Emerging Technologies
link to www.technologyreview.com
January 21, 2005
Smaller. Cheaper. Nastier. Those are the guiding principles behind the military's latest bombs...

...With funding from the U.S. government, Sandia National Laboratories, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory are researching how to manipulate the flow of energy within and between molecules, a field known as nanoenergentics, which enables building more lethal weapons such as "cave-buster bombs" that have several times the detonation force of conventional bombs such as the "daisy cutter" or MOAB (mother of all bombs)...



From a CNER 2002 "workshop":
http://www.msi.umn.edu/general/Symposia/nanosim.html

Bruce C. Garrett
Molecular Sciences Research Center
Pacific Northwest Laboratories
Battelle Blvd
P.O. Box 999
Richland, WA 99352
Title: Thermodynamics and Kinetics of Aqueous Nanoparticles Important in Homogeneous Gas-to-Liquid Nucleation

Sean Garrick
Mechanical Engineering Department
University of Minnesota
125 Mechanical Engineering
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Tentative Title: Modeling and Simulation of Nanoparticle Formation and Growth in Turbulent Reacting Flows

LINK FOR THIS QUOTE: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/04/338241.shtml
Go shopping for nano particles here: http://www.stanfordmaterials.com/nano.html

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Patrick Brown wrote:
Anti-sophist wrote:Again, I repeat, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated. Your entire conspiracy theory exists based on the existance of a device that has never been shown to be possible.

Construct a thermite-based vertical column cutting device... bonus points if it also exhibits the flashes seen in the videos. Considering no such device yet exists, and thermite doesn't produce flashes... this should prove quite the obstacle to your little theory.
“Nanothermite” or “Superthermite” is a fact just as RDX when used in a “Linear Shaped Charge” is a fact. This is not speculation the ability to melt through steel without using conventional explosives is a fact.
Allow me to repeat myself, since you apparently you don't hear very well:

Again, I repeat, for the third time, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
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Anti-sophist wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
Anti-sophist wrote:Again, I repeat, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated. Your entire conspiracy theory exists based on the existance of a device that has never been shown to be possible.

Construct a thermite-based vertical column cutting device... bonus points if it also exhibits the flashes seen in the videos. Considering no such device yet exists, and thermite doesn't produce flashes... this should prove quite the obstacle to your little theory.
“Nanothermite” or “Superthermite” is a fact just as RDX when used in a “Linear Shaped Charge” is a fact. This is not speculation the ability to melt through steel without using conventional explosives is a fact.
Allow me to repeat myself, since you apparently you don't hear very well:

Again, I repeat, for the third time, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.

I don't suppose such a method would work in la la land but I'm sure something along those lines is possible in reality!

Now sniff the foot oh fluffy one.
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Patrick Brown wrote:
Anti-sophist wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote: “Nanothermite” or “Superthermite” is a fact just as RDX when used in a “Linear Shaped Charge” is a fact. This is not speculation the ability to melt through steel without using conventional explosives is a fact.
Allow me to repeat myself, since you apparently you don't hear very well:

Again, I repeat, for the third time, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.

I don't suppose such a method would work in la la land but I'm sure something along those lines is possible in reality!
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Patrick Brown wrote:
You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.
Now, repeat 50,000 times without anyone noticing. Also, be sure the igniter and wiring (not to mention the super-reactive nanothermite itself) can survive a plane crash and fire.

Seriously, do you even know the diffence between speculation and fact?
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aggle-rithm wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.
Now, repeat 50,000 times without anyone noticing. Also, be sure the igniter and wiring (not to mention the super-reactive nanothermite itself) can survive a plane crash and fire.

Seriously, do you even know the diffence between speculation and fact?
I'm sure I said radio controlled igniter, which could have been placed inside the column. The hole is then covered with a plate which is glued with something like Araldite.
http://www.silmid.com/araldite/adhesives.htm

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You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.
Now, repeat 50,000 times without anyone noticing. Also, be sure the igniter and wiring (not to mention the super-reactive nanothermite itself) can survive a plane crash and fire.

Seriously, do you even know the diffence between speculation and fact?
I'm sure I said radio controlled igniter, which could have been placed inside the column. The hole is then covered with a plate which is glued with something like Araldite.
http://www.silmid.com/araldite/adhesives.htm

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Patrick Brown wrote: You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.

I don't suppose such a method would work in la la land but I'm sure something along those lines is possible in reality!
That's nice guesswork coming from someone without even a high school level of physics understanding. Maybe you didn't hear me...

Again, I repeat, for the fourth time, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated.

Right now I have a guess from someone with virtually no knowledge of physics how it could be done. That's great and all.. but... I'm going to need some actual, you know, evidence, that such a device exists.
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Anti-sophist wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote: You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.

I don't suppose such a method would work in la la land but I'm sure something along those lines is possible in reality!
That's nice guesswork coming from someone without even a high school level of physics understanding. Maybe you didn't hear me...

Again, I repeat, for the fourth time, no mechanism for cutting a vertical column using thermite has ever been demonstrated.

Right now I have a guess from someone with virtually no knowledge of physics how it could be done. That's great and all.. but... I'm going to need some actual, you know, evidence, that such a device exists.
Bit like the moon landing isn't it? I don't have an opinion about that “theory” either way.

But with 911 I do have an opinion which says that three class A buildings falling at near free fall speeds seems very unlikely if not impossible. You can fiddle the figures and tell us that the fires and structural damaged did it but that just serves to prove a point about you as a poster here.
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Aggle-rithm wrote:Iraq and Afghanistan occured after the 9/11 attacks. You can't use them to explain why Larry Silverstein thought it would be a good idea to destroy his own building, or how a flight recorder was found in the Pentagon if no plane crashed there, or any number of other inconsistencies that make the CT "theory" non-viable.
Did I say that Aghanistan and Iraq had anything to do with Silverstein?

You need to educate yourself on the history of Afghanistan, oil and gas in the Caspian Basin, UNICAL, the taliban, the Bush family and US energy supply before making such naive comments.

Try here but there are plenty more articles to check this evidence against.

You might like to watch this video also. Go on, stop living in the dark.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9548020370
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aggle-rithm wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.
Now, repeat 50,000 times without anyone noticing. Also, be sure the igniter and wiring (not to mention the super-reactive nanothermite itself) can survive a plane crash and fire.

Seriously, do you even know the diffence between speculation and fact?
Critics continuously bash their heads against this point, IMO quite unimaginatively

If the whole building is wired (as it would have to be) the area of the plane impact is quite irrelevant to the ability to detonate the building as a whole. If some charges in the crash area failed to go off, so what? The buildings still coming down!

(and before I get a pedantic response, for "the whole building is wired" read: "explosive charges placed to cover the significant majority of the infrastructure")
Now, repeat 50,000 times
Got anything conclusive to prove 50,000 charges would be needed to bring the towers down? 500 charges per floor? I rather doubt it! 50 tops, total of 5000 charges, thats basic common sense, which I'm happy to supply. Placed with expert knowledge using the weight of the building against itself, it seems reasonable that the figure of 5000 could be cut down dramatically...say if charges were placed every second floor, thats into the realms of 2,500, every third floor 1,600
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John White wrote:
aggle-rithm wrote:
Patrick Brown wrote:
You cut a hole in the column you insert a small device and lower it several feet into the column. The device contains expanding foam which is activated and expands and sets. You then pump in a small amount of quick drying concrete and let it set. Next you pump in the thermite dust and insert a radio controlled igniter.
Now, repeat 50,000 times without anyone noticing. Also, be sure the igniter and wiring (not to mention the super-reactive nanothermite itself) can survive a plane crash and fire.

Seriously, do you even know the diffence between speculation and fact?
Critics continuously bash their heads against this point, IMO quite unimaginatively

If the whole building is wired (as it would have to be) the area of the plane impact is quite irrelevant to the ability to detonate the building as a whole. If some charges in the crash area failed to go off, so what? The buildings still coming down!

(and before I get a pedantic response, for "the whole building is wired" read: "explosive charges placed to cover the significant majority of the infrastructure")
Now, repeat 50,000 times
Got anything conclusive to prove 50,000 charges would be needed to bring the towers down? 500 charges per floor? I rather doubt it! 50 tops, total of 5000 charges, thats basic common sense, which I'm happy to supply. Placed with expert knowledge using the weight of the building against itself, it seems reasonable that the figure of 5000 could be cut down dramatically...say if charges were placed every second floor, thats into the realms of 2,500, every third floor 1,600
I believe the charges were only needed on the core columns with perhaps a few on certain floors or the facade. The core was easily accessible being that it housed the elevators, toilet blocks, plant rooms, mechanical servicing ducts etc. Teams of workers would have worked largely unnoticed in these areas acting as ordinary maintenance teams. The powerdown events just before 9/11 were likely the times when all the wiring was checked and possibly allowed time for the installation of other exploives in more public areas. As you say, there weren't that many charges so a few weeks work by a 'maintenance' team would have been sufficient.
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Sure thing James:

BTW I'm not looking to establish a concrete theorem for how many charges or how they were placed: I'm just demonstrating how some basic ball park figures shrink the required number of charges down very quickly: like from 50,000 to 1,600, and with 1,600 being well generous 8)
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Patrick Brown wrote:
But with 911 I do have an opinion which says that three class A buildings falling at near free fall speeds seems very unlikely if not impossible.
Yes, you'd have to do something really drastic like, I don't know...crash airliners into them?
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Patrick Brown wrote: What would cause the front of this car to be burnt in such a way but not the back, flash fires from and ignited dust cloud of nanothermite perhaps:

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