WTC : fusion devices must have been used

[HERA]

Evidence of fusion devices at the WTC:

1. pulverization of 99% of concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded by official studies. Concrete dust was created instantly throughout the towers when the fusion device million degree heat rapidly expanded water vapor in the concrete floors.

2. Superheated steels ablating (vaporizing continuously as they fall) as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing. This requires uniform temperatures roughly twice that of thermate.

3. 22 ton outer wall steel sections ejected 200 meters into the winter garden. Cutting charges cannot provide the energy required.

4. 330 ton section of outer wall columns ripping off side of tower. Cutting charges cannot provide energy required.

5. Molten ponds of steel at the bottom of elevator shafts (WTC1, WTC2, WTC7) Thermate is impractical for lower level demolition due to the thickness of the 47 steel columns.

6. The spire behavior (stands for 20-30 seconds, evaporates, goes down, steel dust remains)

7. Sharp spikes in seismograph readings (Richter 2.1 and 2.3) occurred at the beginning of collapse for both towers. Short duration and high power indicate explosive event.

8. A press weighting 50 tons disappeared from a basement floor of Twin Towers and was never recovered from debris.

9. Wide area electrical outage, repairs took over 3 months. Fusion devices cause EM pulse with Compton Effect.

10. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of water. Thermate would cool down much faster.

11. Brown shades of color in the air due nuclear radiation forming sulfuric acid. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance to blue to disguise this fact indicating complicity in the coverup.

12. Elevated Tritium values measured in the WTC area but not elsewhere in New York. Official studies stated that 8 EXIT signs from two commercial Boeing jets were responsible. This is why the "no commercial planes" line of inquiry is very important and should not be ignored or attacked. It can provide conclusive proof of fusion devices and therefore US/Israeli military involvement.

13. Pyroclastic flow observed in the concrete-based clouds. Only found with volcanic eruptions and nuclear detonations. Jim Hoffman unfortunately missed this obvious observation in his papers.

14. Huge expanding dust clouds 5 times the volume of the building indicating extreme levels of heat generated far in excess of traditional demolition explosives.

15. Rubble height was some 10% of the original instead of 33% expected in a traditional demolition. Fusion device removal of underground central steel framework allowed upper framework to fall into this empty space and reduce the rubble height.

16. No survivors found, except some firefighters in one corner pocket in the rubble who looked up to see blue sky above them instead of being crushed by collapsing debris. Upward fusion flashlight beam of destruction missed this pocket but removed debris above firemen.

17. 14 rescue dogs and some rescue workers died far too soon afterward to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins (respiratory problems due to alpha particles created by fusion that are far more toxic)

18. Record concentrations of near-atomic size metal particles found in dust studies due to ablated steel. Only possible with fusion.

19. Decontamination procedure used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water spraying) for all steel removed from site. Water spraying contains fusion radiactivity.

20. No bodies, furniture or computers found in the rubble, but intact sheets of paper covered the streets with fine dust. Items with significant mass absorbed fusion energy and were vaporized while paper did not. Paper and Powder theory.

21. 200 000 gallon sprinkler watertanks on the roofs of WTC1 and WTC2, but no water in the ruins. Heat of fusion devices vaporized large reservoirs of water.

22. reports of cars exploding around the WTC and many burned out wrecks could be seen that had not been hit by debris. Fusion energy blast and EM pulse caused electrical components in cars to explode and burn vehicles far from WTC site.

23. EM pulse was recorded by broadcast cameras with high quality electronic circuitry. This occurred at the same time as the seismic peaks recorded by Lamont Doherty during the beginning of the collapse. This is due to the Compton Effect and resulted in a large area power outage at the WTC.

David Shaw
Producer
911 Eyewitness

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm

[Graham]

I wouldn't rule out some sort of exotic nuclear device going off, but at the moment, don't fully embrace the suggestion.

Just regarding No.8, I have been led to beleive it was a 50 ton press, but this usually means the amount of pressure it exerts, rather than what it weighs.

[chek]

I wouldn't rule out some sort of exotic nuclear device going off, but at the moment, don't fully embrace the suggestion.

Just regarding No.8, I have been led to beleive it was a 50 ton press, but this usually means the amount of pressure it exerts, rather than what it weighs.

This 50 ton press item was my first introduction to the world of the shill in another forum.
It was suggested there also that the press was to exert 50 tons of pressure, and as such, a doorframe sized press that you might have in your shed was suggested (complete with photo). That was all that the building maintenance staff would ever require as heavy work would be contracted out, it was further suggested. A reversing car could knock it over.

A WTC maintenance record was then produced showing that a gantry was needed to lift one of the 2300 ton refrigeration units and was manufactured in the WTC workshops, and a photo of the press in a similar building for similar work was posted.
The press itself weighed 50 tons and would occupy a large room.
Such is the world of disinformation.

[paul wright]

I've for a long time found close examination of the spire as at number 6 clearly demonstrates something other than conventional explosives in play
It really does turn into dust while you watch
Plus of course the high level of apparently vaporised bodies
I'm not certain micronukes are responsible but certainly forces additional to thermite or -ate
Scroll down for definitive shots of disintegrating steel at V) High Energy Devices
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=9 ... with_jones

[Briaman]

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A WTC maintenance record was then produced showing that a gantry was needed to lift one of the 2300 ton refrigeration units and was manufactured in the WTC workshops ...

2300 tons? Thats pretty near the mass of a Whitby class Frigate. A typo perhaps?

[Briaman]

Hi Hera,

I'd be much obliged if you could provide references for your above points. Also, could you please help me to understand how the Compton Effect relates to any of this?

Thanks

[chek]

...

A WTC maintenance record was then produced showing that a gantry was needed to lift one of the 2300 ton refrigeration units and was manufactured in the WTC workshops ...

2300 tons? Thats pretty near the mass of a Whitby class Frigate. A typo perhaps?

Sorry, 2500 tons. Just goes to show compared to the WTC even a warship seems small.

"Mike’s assignment that day would be to continue constructing a gantry that would be used to pull the heads from the 2,500 ton chillers, located in the 6th sub- basement level of the tower. 49,000 tons of refrigeration equipment were located in the lower level of the tower."
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/un ... osions.htm

"During the design stages, engineers' calculations showed that the upper zone required 17,000 tons of refrigeration and the lower zone 32,000 tons, for a total of 49,000 tons. Normally, eight refrigeration machines would be used: two 7,000-ton units and one 3,000-ton unit for the high zone and four 7,000-ton units and one 4,000- ton unit for the low zone.
The cooling plant covers 2.5 acres."
Engineering News December 23, 1971
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gua ... record.htm

I think the above shows that we are talking way out of range of the home workshop.

[Wokeman]

David Shaw
Producer
911 Eyewitness

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm


1. pulverization of 99% of concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded by official studies. Concrete dust was created instantly throughout the towers when the fusion device million degree heat rapidly expanded water vapor in the concrete floors.

2. Superheated steels ablating (vaporizing continuously as they fall) as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing. This requires uniform temperatures roughly twice that of thermate.

3. 22 ton outer wall steel sections ejected 200 meters into the winter garden. Cutting charges cannot provide the energy required.

4. 330 ton section of outer wall columns ripping off side of tower. Cutting charges cannot provide energy required.

5. Molten ponds of steel at the bottom of elevator shafts (WTC1, WTC2, WTC7) Thermate is impractical for lower level demolition due to the thickness of the 47 steel columns.

6. The spire behavior (stands for 20-30 seconds, evaporates, goes down, steel dust remains)

7. Sharp spikes in seismograph readings (Richter 2.1 and 2.3) occurred at the beginning of collapse for both towers. Short duration and high power indicate explosive event.

8. A press weighting 50 tons disappeared from a basement floor of Twin Towers and was never recovered from debris.

9. Wide area electrical outage, repairs took over 3 months. Fusion devices cause EM pulse with Compton Effect.

10. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of water. Thermate would cool down much faster.

11. Brown shades of color in the air due nuclear radiation forming sulfuric acid. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance to blue to disguise this fact indicating complicity in the coverup.

12. Elevated Tritium values measured in the WTC area but not elsewhere in New York. Official studies stated that 8 EXIT signs from two commercial Boeing jets were responsible. This is why the "no commercial planes" line of inquiry is very important and should not be ignored or attacked. It can provide conclusive proof of fusion devices and therefore US/Israeli military involvement.

13. Pyroclastic flow observed in the concrete-based clouds. Only found with volcanic eruptions and nuclear detonations. Jim Hoffman unfortunately missed this obvious observation in his papers.

14. Huge expanding dust clouds 5 times the volume of the building indicating extreme levels of heat generated far in excess of traditional demolition explosives.

15. Rubble height was some 10% of the original instead of 33% expected in a traditional demolition. Fusion device removal of underground central steel framework allowed upper framework to fall into this empty space and reduce the rubble height.

16. No survivors found, except some firefighters in one corner pocket in the rubble who looked up to see blue sky above them instead of being crushed by collapsing debris. Upward fusion flashlight beam of destruction missed this pocket but removed debris above firemen.

17. 14 rescue dogs and some rescue workers died far too soon afterward to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins (respiratory problems due to alpha particles created by fusion that are far more toxic)

18. Record concentrations of near-atomic size metal particles found in dust studies due to ablated steel. Only possible with fusion.

19. Decontamination procedure used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water spraying) for all steel removed from site. Water spraying contains fusion radiactivity.

20. No bodies, furniture or computers found in the rubble, but intact sheets of paper covered the streets with fine dust. Items with significant mass absorbed fusion energy and were vaporized while paper did not. Paper and Powder theory.

21. 200 000 gallon sprinkler watertanks on the roofs of WTC1 and WTC2, but no water in the ruins. Heat of fusion devices vaporized large reservoirs of water.

22. reports of cars exploding around the WTC and many burned out wrecks could be seen that had not been hit by debris. Fusion energy blast and EM pulse caused electrical components in cars to explode and burn vehicles far from WTC site.

23. EM pulse was recorded by broadcast cameras with high quality electronic circuitry. This occurred at the same time as the seismic peaks recorded by Lamont Doherty during the beginning of the collapse. This is due to the Compton Effect and resulted in a large area power outage at the WTC.

[Briaman]

...

A WTC maintenance record was then produced showing that a gantry was needed to lift one of the 2300 ton refrigeration units and was manufactured in the WTC workshops ...

2300 tons? Thats pretty near the mass of a Whitby class Frigate. A typo perhaps?

Sorry, 2500 tons. Just goes to show compared to the WTC even a warship seems small.

"Mike’s assignment that day would be to continue constructing a gantry that would be used to pull the heads from the 2,500 ton chillers, located in the 6th sub- basement level of the tower. 49,000 tons of refrigeration equipment were located in the lower level of the tower."
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/un ... osions.htm

"During the design stages, engineers' calculations showed that the upper zone required 17,000 tons of refrigeration and the lower zone 32,000 tons, for a total of 49,000 tons. Normally, eight refrigeration machines would be used: two 7,000-ton units and one 3,000-ton unit for the high zone and four 7,000-ton units and one 4,000- ton unit for the low zone.
The cooling plant covers 2.5 acres."
Engineering News December 23, 1971
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gua ... record.htm

I think the above shows that we are talking way out of range of the home workshop.

Very interesting Chek.

First I think that this short film will give a better idea of the kind of weights that are being talked about.

Not being an expert, I'm under the impression that 'tons of refrigeration' refers to the amount of water that a refrigeration unit could freeze in a given 24 hour period (see wikipedia). If so, I suggest that a 7000-ton unit is more likely to be a unit that could freeze 7000 tons of water as opposed to single unit with a size that approaches the USS Cole.

[chek]

2300 tons? Thats pretty near the mass of a Whitby class Frigate. A typo perhaps?

Sorry, 2500 tons. Just goes to show compared to the WTC even a warship seems small.

"Mike’s assignment that day would be to continue constructing a gantry that would be used to pull the heads from the 2,500 ton chillers, located in the 6th sub- basement level of the tower. 49,000 tons of refrigeration equipment were located in the lower level of the tower."
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/un ... osions.htm

"During the design stages, engineers' calculations showed that the upper zone required 17,000 tons of refrigeration and the lower zone 32,000 tons, for a total of 49,000 tons. Normally, eight refrigeration machines would be used: two 7,000-ton units and one 3,000-ton unit for the high zone and four 7,000-ton units and one 4,000- ton unit for the low zone.
The cooling plant covers 2.5 acres."
Engineering News December 23, 1971
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/gua ... record.htm

I think the above shows that we are talking way out of range of the home workshop.

Very interesting Chek.

First I think that this short film will give a better idea of the kind of weights that are being talked about.

Not being an expert, I'm under the impression that 'tons of refrigeration' refers to the amount of water that a refrigeration unit could freeze in a given 24 hour period (see wikipedia). If so, I suggest that a 7000-ton unit is more likely to be a unit that could freeze 7000 tons of water as opposed to single unit with a size that approaches the USS Cole.

You may well be right Briaman - although I can't seem to find anything that refers to the refrigeration units in any other way. But like you I'm no expert either.

I think we can still be certain they're fairly huge units though, given this figure:
"The combined air-conditioning capacity of the two towers calls for 32,000 tons of refrigeration with continuous filtration and cooling of 8 million cu ft of air per minute for circulation."
http://guardian.150m.com/wtc/small/eng-news-record.htm

(I think the difference is that 32000tons is for the Twin Towers, 49000tons for the whole WTC complex).

And the size of the Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning plant (2.3 acres) is still massive by any standards, and still well beyond 'home workshop' type maintenance.

[HERA]

Hi Hera,

I'd be much obliged if you could provide references for your above points. Also, could you please help me to understand how the Compton Effect relates to any of this?

Thanks

Theyre not my points and there was a URL there last time I looked.

[chek]

Hi Hera,

I'd be much obliged if you could provide references for your above points. Also, could you please help me to understand how the Compton Effect relates to any of this?

Thanks

Theyre not my points and there was a URL there last time I looked.

Another factor suggesting the use of something extraordinary is that the concrete walls of the WTC 'bathtub' foundation walls were sucked in by 3ft., and have had to be reinforced to keep the Hudson out.
That is some massive vacuum effect.
I saw an interview with an repair engineer in a video, but I've seen quite a few recently so I'll have to source which one it was. If anyone remembers the scene, let me know.

[Mark Gobell]

It was the Slurry Walls chaper of the 9/11 Mysteries DVD Chek.

The bathtub as it was called was a seven storey underground space housing maintenance rooms and the New Jersey Path train station. The 7 decks of underground parking vaults were designed to withstand the Hudson river.

After September 11th the 3 foot thick slurry walls were found to have shifted up to 18 inches inward.

[chek]

It was the Slurry Walls chaper of the 9/11 Mysteries DVD Chek.

The bathtub as it was called was a seven storey underground space housing maintenance rooms and the New Jersey Path train station. The 7 decks of underground parking vaults were designed to withstand the Hudson river.

After September 11th the 3 foot thick slurry walls were found to have shifted up to 18 inches inward.

Thanks for that Mark
This video of the building of the WTC that was referenced earlier in the thread gives a good description of the engineering problems of the foundations and how they were overcome, and an appreciation of the force that would be required to draw them in that distance.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... r%2C&hl=en

[paul wright]

Yup well you all can get into some small technical argument but the more general superficial evidence points to someting other than thermate going on

[chek]

Yup well you all can get into some small technical argument but the more general superficial evidence points to someting other than thermate going on

Together with radioactivity found at the Staten Island steel collection points (being played down as industrial waste from luminous clock makers - yes really) on Liberty Forums recntly.

[Briaman]

No offence folks but there seems to be a definate lack of reputable sources here. Before I make so huge a jump as to accept that WTC was nuked, I need to hear it from someone a bit more reliable than the internet equivalent of this-bloke-I-met-down-the-pub!

Unless we use reliable sources we are in danger of feedback loops and deliberate contamination. This makes us less reliable and means that we wont be taken seriously.

[chek]

No offence folks but there seems to be a definate lack of reputable sources here. Before I make so huge a jump as to accept that WTC was nuked, I need to hear it from someone a bit more reliable than the internet equivalent of this-bloke-I-met-down-the-pub!

Unless we use reliable sources we are in danger of feedback loops and deliberate contamination. This makes us less reliable and means that we wont be taken seriously.

Well that's the strange thing about the strange case of the WTC Briaman - lots of strange factors that don't point to one specific known technology, just suggestive bits and pieces of many.

Factors such as use of thermate that is consistent with some evidence, but not others. Possible use of generally unknown hi-energy weapons that is consistent with other real data but again not conclusive. As of so far, nobody is able to point and say - here's how it was done, in such a way as to satisfy all the information.

We're the pesky kids (sans Scoobydoo) without whom they would have gotten away with it, but only part way through the 'case'.

[Mark Gobell]

On another thread the tritium question was discussed along with the official tritium explanation from the US government's Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.

The report makes very interesting reading. I do not understand the technical stuff in there but the rest is easy enough to grasp, especially the effect of the estimated 30 million gallons of water that percolated through the pile into the bathtub and out into the environment in the 12 days between 9/11 and 9/21 when the Tritium measurements were taken.

Not being able to account for the source of the Tritium, which was attributed to the compunds in the aircraft exit signs and in the night vision sights that were assumed to be in the destroyed WTC armouries, the report assumed that the additional Tritium must have come from an unknown number of luminous watches that the victims must have been wearing.

Tritium is also used in mini nukes to increase their yield.

[chek]

One of the interesting things about the tritium detected is that rather than the 'conventional' fission (and radioactivity producing) trigger for a fusion device, there has been a lot of work on using hi-powered laser tritium triggers which would produce a very low yield of local residual radioactivity in a fusion device.

http://policy.iop.org/v_production/v1.html

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050822/ ... 22-10.html

[PatrickBatemen]

US has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/06/09/25/ward.htm

[astro3]

I've always felt that the majestic WTC blast had to be a tritium explosion. I keep quiet about this view, because of the absolute lack of confirmation of the existence of any such micro-nukes. So,

* Is there any scrap of evidence that fusion micro-nukes exist? Clearly the nuclear power nations have been trying very hard to develop these, and would much like to have them. Is what happened to the WTC your only evidence for their existence?

* For a tritium blast, traditionally one needs a fission bomb (plutonium or uranium) to get it started. Clearly, this would have caused radioactivity around Ground Zero that would have been detected. The idea mooted here of a laser beam trigger sounds a bit Sci-fi ish to me.

The demolition of WTC 7 looks like traditional explosives, eg Thermite. Whereas the huge rising plumes above the Twin towers does strongly suggest some other power source.

[Briaman]

... how many mini nukes were used and when were they detonated?

If only one was used and its use was so as to destroy the sub-basement - why didn't both towers and wtc7 collapse at the same time?

If two or three were used - how was each mini nuke protected from damage by the other nukes?

However many nukes were used - why no fireball(s) - both above and along through the metro tunnels?

[Patrick Brown]

This is a hard one to swallow although it can't be counted out. I will stick to the basics though i.e. The structural integrity of the towers was compromised over time and then basements blown and the core cascade was started followed by the skin cascade. The kinetic energy of the falling mass would account for the pulverization of the concrete etc.

Debris that is seen being ejected upward and outward could be explained by explosions cutting the core several floors below the skin cascade (say 10 to 20 floors). The only problem with this is that the second tower seems to collapse skin first! This may have happened because some of the core charges (shape charges some suggest) didn't go off or that the timing was out. The explosive effect of ejected debris is more noticeable in video footage from the second towers collapse. This may be because the core was happening closer to the skin cascade (say 5 to 10 floor after the skin cascade). An understanding of how the 'shape charges' would have been detonated is needed here.

As for the famous spire of the second collapse, did it really fall straight down on itself or was that just an optical effect caused by the spire falling towards or away from the viewer?

Let try and keep it simple. Simple would be the choice of the demolition team as it would mean less chance of error!

[chek]

why no fireball(s) - both above and along through the metro tunnels?

You mean a fireball like these burned out cars parked at the base of the towers might have witnessed?

[Patrick Brown]

Any chance of a link to the source of those photos?

My comment on a different thread mentions the French cameraman who was making a firefighting documentary and he didn't mention any heat! In fact I've never heard anybody mention heat as regards the dust clouds.

[Patrick Brown]

* I just got Pot Noddle on my laptop!

[chek]

Any chance of a link to the source of those photos?

My comment on a different thread mentions the French cameraman who was making a firefighting documentary and he didn't mention any heat! In fact I've never heard anybody mention heat as regards the dust clouds.

If you right click the photos (or whatever Mac users do should you be one) and look at the 'properties' you'll see the source.
That jetfuel sure goes a long way!
I guess that's how they can afford all those budget flights.

[TonyGosling]

Yeah right! - so where's the fallout?

[chek]

Yeah right! - so where's the fallout?

"Great Kills Park on Staten Island, part of Gateway National Recreation Area, had been shut down in August 2005 after federal officials discovered old industrial equipment contaminated with radiation."

The 'old industrial equipment' was the steel debris collected at this shipping point from the WTC.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ ... 2701c.html