Teenager quizzed after Bristol terror arrest

Newspeak International · Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:12 pm

Alexi Mostrous

A British teenager believed to be a Muslim convert was being questioned today over a suspected terrorist bomb plot.

The 19-year-old was being probed about the "significant" amount of alleged bombmaking materials found in his Bristol home.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 770546.ece

I was wondering, is there a new forum rule where we can't discuss new terrorism BS stories?

(Nothing came up in a search)

Post by **TonyGosling** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:33 pm

The two most interesting things with this alleged 'case' we've had in the local press coverage is firstly a very cautious approach to headline writing.

TAKING NO CHANCES

No-one is assuming anything, particularly because of last year's 'Mad Met. come to Bristol' terrorism alert that proved, after local cops moved in, to be nothing more than a vat of vegetable oil.

Then there is the fact that this suspect is quoted as never having attended any of the many Bristol mosques.

Then there is the issue of 'muslim converts'

Ex SAS Muhajiroun "muslim converts"
Watch out for 'Muslim converts', they may be soldiers in disguise!
thanks to Wokeman for flagging this up the other day
http://postmanpatel.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... ls-of.html

Newspeak International · Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:13 pm

Yes I saw Wokemans post earlier today with that link.

What I was alluding to was just because it's undoubtedly a BS story,does it not serve to highlight these things rather than just ignore them altogether on here?

Post by **TonyGosling** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:18 pm

Newspeak International wrote: What I was alluding to was just because it's undoubtedly a BS story,does it not serve to highlight these things rather than just ignore them altogether on here?

Well, all such cases should be scrutinised if users aren't bogged down with petty campaign politicing, but it takes someone such as yourself to initiate proceedings.

theninja · Post by **theninja** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:57 pm

Yes I was surprised to see nothing on here today, I drove down there yesterday to have a look around. As soon as I parked my car, a bomb disposal van went speeding past it was just a complete circus. There was a BBC van ITV and lots of reporters. You could smell the BS from miles away it was just way over the top - it was just a big FEAR!! machine.

Post by **TonyGosling** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:01 am

Go Ninj.... did you get any pix?

Andrew Ibrahim just named as the suspect.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/liv ... ge_id=1770

The BBC have gone somewhat Gun-Ho for the story.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVhAKYbOx8s[/youtube]

Newspeak International · Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:09 am

Fair point.I've been wondering why no one else has posted this during the day!

There are after all many "hundreds" of aware "truthers" registered here.

Rory Winter · Post by **Rory Winter** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:53 am

Just saw this thread & decided to make a few observations which I had planned to post this evening after watching the Bristol polis* bullshitting their way through an interview. Even the BBC seemed to have got suspicious at the amount of "controlled explosions" going off at this young lad's house.

During the BBC interview the polisman, on being questioned about what materials were being exploded, first replied, "I really have no idea what they are at all!". Then, on being re-presented the question a few minutes later, gave a knowing look to the camera and replied, "You'd like to know, wouldn't you? Really, I don't think it matters!" ... or words to that effect.

So I'd say that he was caught out. I'm willing to bet good money that the "controlled explosions" are a complete fabrication meant to make this poor guy, Andrew Ibrahim, look guilty. No chance of a fair trial. Not a chance in hell ...

Secondly, I would suggest that the reason the polis & the spooks are now choosing white Muslims is to terrorise other whites into not having anything to do with Islam. The whole thing smacks of a modern version of Jew-baiting in the racist polis-state that Britain has been turned into.

I always said: first it'll be the Muslims, then it'll be the rest of us. It's happening. The spooks are out of control & so are the polis. In the above video the polis-lady says, "It's early days & there's a lot of work to be done yet." Sure ... I can imagine what kind of incriminating 'work' she must be alluding to!:roll:

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*Glasgow for 'police', a term of disrespect.

marky 54 · Post by **marky 54** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:54 am

i have simply been waiting for more details to emerge before judging it.

the reports are very vague.

no mention of what the controlled explosions were carried out on, so for all we know it could of been a bottle of shampoo, no mention of why the man was arrested other than 'terror charges' and no mention of what led to the raid on the house.

the only thing they say is he is a muslim convert, somehow impling it is illegal and if your muslim you must be a terrorist.

Post by **TonyGosling** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:02 am

this story is going nuts
Yesterday they didn't know anything about the guy
today they find he's pare of a 'west country terror group'
Why do I feel like I'm living in Soviet Russia?

Bomb suspect 'may be part of terror group'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... err120.xml

paul wright · Post by **paul wright** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:29 am

I noticed one of the BBC reporters saying she heard a small cracking noise as one of the 'suspect' materials was detonated. Nothing explosive there then. Are they blowing up packets of chapati flour and Tang drink mix?

theninja · Post by **theninja** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:18 am

Only took 2 picture which aren't very interesting below:

Post by **fish5133** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:38 am

Bit more

http://www.orange.co.uk/news/topstories ... icle=index

Thought just occured to me as I am no explosives expert but is it wise to carry out a "controlled explosion" on anything suspect. Earlier article said it was police who carried out the controlled explosion I didnt know they had such expertise. That said I can imagine the police or a police dog coming across a sealed cardboard box and blowing it up . Obviously they wouldnt do that if they thought it contained explosives as it might be goodbye cul-de-sac.
Locked doors maybe inside that they think may be booby trapped so perhaps they are gaining access to closed areas

They said that Ibrahim wore traditional Islamic clothes and secured the door of his house with up to a dozen locks.

Just the thing a would be terrorist would do is draw attention to himself by putting a dozen locks on his front door. I doubt if you can actually fit a dozen locks on a door. Sensationalist bs media again.

Yesterday there was speculation that officers may have moved in after he purchased chemicals on a list of controlled substances. Certain haircare products and fertilisers are popular components of terrorist bombs.

No mention of chapati flour

"you're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"

kbo234 · Post by **kbo234** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:51 am

paul wright wrote:.....Are they blowing up packets of chapati flour and Tang drink mix?

......almost anything is a potentially deadly weapon now. I had a sealed pint of milk taken from me before boarding a plane at Gatwick last week......that's before they checked the heels of my shoes for concealed bombs.

We are such sheep to put up with this bollo* without protest.....

.......mind you, if we did, I suppose they'd just blow a plane full of passengers up to prove their point.

Post by **fish5133** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:14 am

Maybe the explosive material he had was a copy of the Northwoods Document or loose change dvds and the like

In which case bolt your doors truthers

marky 54 · Post by **marky 54** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:39 am

Thought just occured to me as I am no explosives expert but is it wise to carry out a "controlled explosion" on anything suspect. Earlier article said it was police who carried out the controlled explosion I didnt know they had such expertise. That said I can imagine the police or a police dog coming across a sealed cardboard box and blowing it up . Obviously they wouldnt do that if they thought it contained explosives as it might be goodbye cul-de-sac.
Locked doors maybe inside that they think may be booby trapped so perhaps they are gaining access to closed areas

yeah its smelling a bit like BS now is'nt it.

they reported they had carried out controlled explosions on some 'suspect' packages.

later they said they are sending the 'suspect' packages of to be tested.

so no suprise then if an trace of a explosive substance is present seeing as though a controlled explosion was carried on them.

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:09 pm

TonyGosling wrote:No-one is assuming anything, particularly because of last year's 'Mad Met. come to Bristol' terrorism alert that proved, after local cops moved in, to be nothing more than a vat of vegetable oil.

The hydrogen peroxide that turned out to be vegetable oil terror raid in Bristol occurred on 18th July 2007, two days before it was announced that nobody was to face charges in the cash-for-honours inquiry involving the Labour Party.

The latest Bristol terrorism raid on Andrew Ibrahim, the spiky haired son of NHS Consultant, nu-metal fan and alleged religious convert occurred precisely 9 months later, to the day on 18th April 2008.

Sunday Telegraph wrote:NHS consultant's teenage son is terror suspect

By Duncan Gardham, Caroline Gammell and Richard Savill
Last Updated: 3:35am BST 19/04/2008

A 19-year-old British Muslim whose father works as an NHS consultant has been questioned by terrorist squad officers after they found a bomb at his home.

Terrorist squad officers raided his home in Comb Paddock, Westbury-on-Trym, in the early hours of the morning when they discovered a container described by police sources as a "viable device".

The Assistant Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset Police, Jackie Roberts wrote:This is a genuine incident which we are taking extremely seriously.

Now, some might find it a little odd that the Assistant Chief Constable would feel the need to proclaim that "this is a genuine incident."

An assertion that might lead the cynically minded to speculate as to her motivation ?

Perhaps, there is a case for introducing a traffic light system when terror raids are announced, similar to that proposed for food labelling.

Green would indicate absolutely genuine - be very, very scared

Amber would indicate possibly boIIocks but we're working on the "evidence" - might need to be scared a bit later on.

Red would indicate, total boIIocks - don't be scared at all.

Maybe then, the likes of Jackie Roberts et al would not need to embarrass herself, the office she holds and us, the spoon fed gullible public, with such perplexing qualifying statements that only serve to confuse and confound us plebs further.

Why would a senior police officer, deliberately announce that an incident is actually genuine ?

What are the inferences we are to draw from this ?

Does it imply that there is an awareness within the ranks of senior police officers and the Home Office, that there is a need to get the message across in a more robust way, adding bizarre emphasis to short-cut predictable cynicism?

I am genuinely staggered at this statement. Not feigned or pretend staggered. Genuinely staggered. I felt the need to say that.

I cannot recall any previous, similar qualifying statement ever having been made before.

These are strange days indeed.

Very, very odd.

Your reassurance, however, is noted. Thanks Jackie.

Source

theninja · Post by **theninja** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:01 pm

The fear machine is rolling, just found this story from the BBC Bristol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7357450.stm

Phone sparked off security alert

Trinity Road police station in Bristol was sealed off for more than an hour after a security alert.

A mobile phone that could not be accounted for was found in one of the public interview rooms after a routine security search on Sunday.

Bomb disposal experts were called and after assessing the situation confirmed there was no risk or danger.

Police said the cordon was established as a precautionary measure and only affected a small part of the station.

Rory Winter · Post by **Rory Winter** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:39 pm

Two thoughts come to mind:

(1) This latest "terrorist" incident is just the latest in a long line of 1984-style false flags meant to keep the public suitably terrorised (by the government, that is), confused & manipulable.

(2) A lot of young folk are understandably alienated by the evils they see around them in their world and they seek alternatives. Some may turn to Islam which has certain attractions, including a strong opposition to usury, which more & more are beginning to see lies at the root of most of our troubles. Such a trend is not in the interest of the state. It has to be discouraged.

By picking on a white Muslim youth the secret state (and there is such a thing) seeks to kill two birds with one stone. And the message clearly goes out: don't mess around with Islam.

While doing so what they effectively kill is our collective freedoms, turning this country into a police state. They don't give a damn if they do. Their game is controlling bodies & minds.

I would think that in Russia today people are freer than they are here.

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:49 pm

Inspector Mark Jackson on keeping the community informed

IMJ: Well the work we are doing at the scene is a very progressive and dynamic process. It does take a long time, several days and each time we move a step forward we have to reassess what we are doing and if there's any concerns at all about public safety, we stop everything and we call in the experts and we do what we need to do and on this occasion, controlled explosions was the right way to move us forward so we can carry on with the investigation.

BBC: We've had 3 of these controlled explosions altogether now over the last 36 hours or so, can you give us any indication about what it is, you think, you might be exploding?

IMJ: I've got absolutely no idea to be honest, the experts will give us all those answers. From an investigation point of view if we're not sure about what we are dealing with we call in the people who do know and they give us the advice and really, as the whole investigation unfolds, more information will be available but really the main thing for us is to make sure that the communities around here are totally safe and we're making big efforts to make sure they're fully informed and just doing here today, we've produced another newsletter which was hand delivered by Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinators and my Police Community Support Officers to keep everyone fully informed and as long as they are safe and their well being is looked after, that's my main concern.

BBC: I suppose fully informed though, a lot of them are wondering what on earth it is there that you're dealing with, I mean, can you give them any information about whether, for example, it's liquid that you're looking at, or powder, or anything like that ?

IMJ: I'm sure you would like to know information like that, but really what difference would that make to the community? Their safety is a priority, exactly what we're dealing with, shouldn't really be an issue and the communities really pull together well here to support the police and to support the media and to make sure their community's safe. Only recently when you talked about the controlled explosions, some people were asked to leave their homes for a few hours, just to be on the safe side and then, local neighbourhood watch co-ordinators let them come to their homes and looked after them which I think is really good and very positive and it's really bringing the community together.

BBC: Those people who had to leave this morning, they've been allowed back in but the people who live a bit closer and who had to get out on Thursday night into Friday morning, they're still in an hotel, when are they likely to be able to get back into their homes? Do we know?

IMJ: It's a very good question and to answer your first one, yes those people from earlier have gone back to their homes. Those people who live a little bit close to where we're working, it's really not ideal for them to go back into their homes at the moment and as I explained earlier, because the process is very dynamic, it's very hard to predict when that will be, we were very much hoping it would have been today but the likelihood is that they might have to stay away just a little bit longer so we can do our job really thoroughly and that their safety is made sure that it is absolutely water tight.

BBC: Are we likely to have any more of these controlled explosions today or over the next few days do you think?

IMJ: I really don't know. I mean, I think it's unlikely but you never know what's going to happen next, as we move forward each step of the way, if there's any concern whatsoever about what we find we will take our time and do it the safe and proper way.

BBC: Is there any ball park time figure on how long this search and activity generally might last here?

IMJ: Well when you're looking at an investigation of this nature which is potentially very serious, we have to be thorough and make sure we do the job properly. It may take a few more days but depending on what we find that could be extended or it could be shortened. I wouldn't like to give you an estimate at this time.

BBC: Is there more stuff still to search and to look at within the property?

IMJ: There could well be and in terms of the investigation that search might be extended even further, we really don't know but as I said before, the main thing is making sure that the community here are safe and are properly looked after and that's our main priority at the moment.

Rory Winter · Post by **Rory Winter** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:58 pm

Thanks for the transcript, Mark. It confirms that I did hear Jackson right. Clearly he needs to polish up his bedside manner.

Post by **fish5133** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:31 am

Anti muslim propaganda obviously working judging by the neighbours comments in the vid clip in Tonys post

" when I saw him in his full white gown i was quite unnerved"

sycorax82 · Post by **sycorax82** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:26 am

Every time they say 'controlled explosion' surely they don't mean they actually made anything explode?! It's just a dramatic way of saying there's no threat anymore. They moved people out of their homes to create more of a story, AND so no-one would hear these 'explosions', or lack of.

marky 54 · Post by **marky 54** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:49 am

Every time they say 'controlled explosion' surely they don't mean they actually made anything explode?!

an explosion is an explosion wether it is controlled or not. if an explosion dos'nt explode then it cannot be called an explosion.

therefore if there was no explosion then using the term controlled explosion is misleading and the public have been misled to believe there were explosions when there was'nt.

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:06 pm

Page last updated at 15:18 GMT, Monday, 16 June 2008 16:18 UK

Man arrested under Terrorism Act

A 19-year-old man has been arrested in Bristol under the Terrorism Act, police have said.

The man, from the Easton area, is being held as part of investigations into Andrew Ibrahim, 19, who was charged under the Terrorism Act in April.

Officers from Avon and Somerset Police are conducting a forensic search of the man's address. A second nearby property is also being searched.

Police have been scrutinising CCTV footage since Mr Ibrahim's arrest.

They have been "painstakingly" working their way through thousands of days worth of images and looking at more than 2,000 exhibits and more than 2,500 documents, Avon and Somerset Police said.

No armed officers were involved in the latest arrest and there was "no suggestion" of any danger to members of the public, the force added.

Letters have been posted through the doors of neighbouring homes in the Easton area of Bristol on Monday to reassure residents there is no cause to fear for their safety.

Mr Ibrahim, of Westbury-on-Trym, Bristol, has appeared in court accused of plotting to commit acts of terrorism.

Source

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:14 pm

How predictable . . .

Andrew Ibrahim arrested in Bristol on 18.4.2008 - 2 years, 9 months and 11 days since 7/7

Today's unnamed arrest in Bristol in connection with the Andrew Ibrahim case 16.6.2008 - 2 years, 11 months and 9 days since 7/7

Post by **TonyGosling** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:02 pm

Police almost certainly wasting more public money outside the house in Belle Vue Road, Bristol.

UK Police Arrest 19-Year-Old Man Under Terror Law
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM ... CaOjg9yqBA

A 19-year-old man has been arrested under the Terrorism Act.

The man, who lives in Easton, Bristol, was detained following further investigations in connection with 19-year-old Andrew Ibrahim, who was arrested in April under the Terrorism Act.

Ibrahim, from Comb Paddock, Westbury-on-Trym, has since appeared in court accused of plotting to commit acts of terrorism.

Officers are conducting a forensic search of the man's address in Belle Vue Road, Easton.

A second property, in nearby Mivart Street, is also being searched. No armed officers were involved in the arrest.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said: "There is no need for any neighbouring homes to be evacuated and no suggestion of any danger to members of the public."

The spokesman said officers had been "painstakingly scrutinising" thousands of days worth of CCTV footage secured since Ibrahim's arrest, as well as examining more than 2,000 exhibits and more than 2,500 documents.

Officers have informed key community leaders, stakeholders and partner agencies and organisations about this latest development.

Letters were posted through the doors of neighbouring homes to reassure residents there was no undue cause for them to fear for their safety in any way.

Last month Ibrahim, 19, was remanded in custody to await trial accused of attempting to make a bomb at his home. The trial is expected to take place in January next year.

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Post by **TonyGosling** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:26 pm

Another enigma. This 'terrorism' case has recently come to trial here at Bristol Crown Court. We were told recently that the suspect, Andrew Ibrahim, was a basket case heroin addict. A recent convert to Islam who was reported to the local police by Bristol's Muslim community.

Lisa Aziz is a regional reporter and presenter who was preparing a report on this story.

She's been suspended for allegedly 'fiddling expenses'.

ITV embroiled in race row after suspended news presenter Lisa Aziz sues for discrimination
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... enses.html

Frank Freedom · Post by **Frank Freedom** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:23 pm

Fortunate timing?
For someone with good relations within the local muslim community,and writing on this case in particular!

An unnamed source/friend claimed:

A friend of Ms Aziz said: 'Lisa is overwhelmed with stress over how she has been treated. She never had her expenses claims questioned before and if they had a problem with any receipts she would have paid it back in a second. Instead they ambushed her with a few claims amounting to less than £200.
'She feels as if she has faced a campaign to be forced out. She has a good relationship with the local Muslim community as that was where she began her career but for a news editor to imply that she had "terror contacts" made her furious.