Esoteric Agenda (Zeitgeist redux+)

[Newspeak International]

The whole plan laid bare?:

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... &plindex=2[/GVideo]

[Lee]

Very interesting new film. The Codex Alimentarius stuff is very sinister indeed and perhaps this thread should be merged with this one.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewt ... 47b30b2138

Some Codex guidlines that will be implemented...

REAL GOALS OF CODEX
This is to bring about international 'harmonization.' While global harmony sounds benign, is that the real purpose of this plan? While the stated goal of Codex is to establish unilateral regulations for dietary supplements in every country, the actual goal is to outlaw health products and information on vitamins and dietary supplements, except those under their direct control. These regulations would supersede United States domestic laws without the American people's voice or vote in the matter.

WHAT CODEX WILL BRING
What can we expect under Codex? To give you an idea, here are some important points:

* Dietary supplements could not be sold for preventive (prophylactic) or therapeutic use.
* Potencies would be limited to extremely low dosages. Only the drug companies and the big phytopharmaceutical companies would have the right to produce and sell the higher potency products (at inflated prices).
* Prescriptions would be required for anything above the extremely low doses allowed (such as 35 mg. on niacin).
* Common foods such as garlic and peppermint would be classified as drugs or a third category (neither food nor drugs) that only big pharmaceutical companies could regulate and sell. Any food with any therapeutic effect can be considered a drug, even benign everyday substances like water.
* Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding (escape clauses would be eliminated).
* All new dietary supplements would be banned unless they go through Codex testing and approval.
* Genetically altered food would be sold worldwide without labeling.

Here's the link to a bit more.

http://www.natural-health-information-c ... arius.html

[Newspeak International]

Better to leave this here, and move Ian Cranes thread from events to general for more exposure.

How about it mods?

[TonyGosling]

Like the esotericly named Zeitgeist, a high production values and cost production which drifts effortlessly betwen deep insight and disinformation.

The not very hidden agenda here seems to be that you can only get your head round what's going on in the world if you buy into the anti-Muslim, anti-Christian anti-Jewish anti-God hype.

This film, for example, could not be shown to a Muslim audience.

Okay, I only watched the first 20 minutes so correct me if I'm wrong.

The whole plan laid bare?:

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... &plindex=2[/GVideo]

[Newspeak International]

Part 5 includes the Flouride and aspartame issues,I guess you didn't get that far as you saw it largely as an attack on your obviously weak faith TG.

Outsider has a more liberal approach,but there you go!

[TonyGosling]

Okay, I didn't give it a rave review

I will watch it through and despite the passive aggressive foaming-at-the-mouth anti-God bits I'll watch it through 'cos this is an important part of what's going on 4 sure.

Are we to expect one of these anti-Allah 'Truther' films from the same stable every 10 months until 2012? I hope not

This mainstream stuff'll do me instead
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programme ... /timeline/

Part 5 includes the Flouride and aspartame issues,I guess you didn't get that far as you saw it largely as an attack on your obviously weak faith TG.

Outsider has a more liberal approach,but there you go!

[Newspeak International]

I don't know Tony,but what I would expect would be that someone making derogatory remarks of any media output, to at least watch the whole thing before commenting!

[paul wright]

I would have thought that the film's guidance as to the new world religion was pretty ok. Worship of Gaia over the people. As re-introduced by Lovelock, who now wants nuclear power stations all over
As did Maggie Thatcher when she financed all the global warming research for the same reason

[Stuart]

Does anyone know what this documentary is actually called and where i can buy a copy of it?

It seems to play very stop start and is hard to watch on here, my broadband is not a slow connection - anyone else had similar problems watching it?

Despite this, having watched the first 30 mins it seems extremely well put together and an interesting watch and reccommend it.

When are the standrad vieos on this site going to be updated, i have neevr seen the addition of anything new during my year of membership here?

[Newspeak International]

Hello Stuart,
Esoteric Agenda

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1009&hl=en

yeah there are streaming problems especially with the more popular vids.One of the ways I use when it stops is to toggle between full screen and it's GV/YT video presentation screens.

Hope that helps

[Lee]

BUMP

[quote="Lee"]

REAL GOALS OF CODEX ALIMENTARIUS!
This is to bring about international 'harmonization.' While global harmony sounds benign, is that the real purpose of this plan? While the stated goal of Codex is to establish unilateral regulations for dietary supplements in every country, the actual goal is to outlaw health products and information on vitamins and dietary supplements, except those under their direct control. These regulations would supersede United States domestic laws without the American people's voice or vote in the matter.

And today's report on new "findings"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7349980.stm

Vitamins may shorten your life...!

May be worth watching that film again.

Suddenly, being told Free Radicals are bad takes on a whole new meaning

[TonyGosling]

I can't be bothered with anyone who writes of the spiritual stuff so flippantly. Much of the rest is brilliant - but there's poison in the well so let others push it.

Part 5 includes the Flouride and aspartame issues,I guess you didn't get that far as you saw it largely as an attack on your obviously weak faith TG.

Outsider has a more liberal approach,but there you go!

[Lee]

Agreed there is a lot of anti-religious stuff that I'm not really referring to. Wade through that til you get to the codex alimentarius stuff.

In fact here's a link to what I'm referring to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmrF9KjlGsc

[kbo234]

I can't be bothered with anyone who writes of the spiritual stuff so flippantly. Much of the rest is brilliant - but there's poison in the well so let others push it.

Yes.

Zeitgeist is full of lies about Christianity and this film seems to take a similar line.

The idea that Christianity was invented by the elites to manipulate the masses is ridiculous.....though it is certainly true that elites (and the churches)have used Christianity in this way. This corruption of the message is so genuinely disgusting that millions have turned away from Christian spirituality. Many such people are more than happy to believe the Zeitgeist twaddle.

This is natural enough but ill-judged.

True Christianity is the most anti-establishment, revolutionary force that exists in the world today. Christ's teaching is that true morality is Universal Love. He calls on us to reject and oppose all worldly wickedness. He tells us that worldy power serves Satan. He demands humility and service of the good, which is God.

He also accepted no credit for the great and loving spirit that obviously possessed him. This is profound and psychologically very important:

Christ asked Peter, "What do the people say about me?"

"They say you are good, master."

"I am not good. Only God is good."

If you do not see the power and importance of such a revolutionary figure, fair enough.....but people should take great care before they trust the message of Zeitgeist.

IMO the evil b*ms that gave us 9/11 are trying to get us all 'onside' here.

To render us harmless to their intentions.

We are in a spiritual war against those who want to own the whole earth (and who, the evidence suggests, are actual and active Luciferians).

Christ (and our deepest God-given natures that, like Christ, we find when we 'get over ourselves'...as in his 40-days-in-the-desert experience) is the greatest enemy of these people. They truly fear Christianity.....


......for if we were to really believe it, how could they possibly control us?

......and this is the whole point of everything they do.....


......isn't it?

......and if we, the mass of humanity, all truly believed it we would not tolerate these fiends in power for another moment. We would make a world where people didn't feel they have to defer their lives and worry about their pathetic pension plans ("Do not store up treasures on earth where rust and moth consume")because we would know that our true wealth lies in the love and support that we give to one another.

.......how do you think the global elites feel about such ideas really taking hold?

.......they murdered Christ once. They are trying to do it again......every day.

.......but they will ultimately lose......for any sensitive and feeling human being knows that sin, in itself, is death.

......It is for us to try and ensure that this loss becomes real in the material world and that the light that is in all of us (which we might only sense when we turn away from the world) prevails over their and our surrounding darkness.

[eogz]

As a non-Christian, I would think the aim is to divide all religions as much as it is to divide races and classes.

Don't get fixed on whether your religion is all right or all wrong, fix on the basic message every religion, there is ultimately no difference.

Those that aren't religious on this site clearly are fixed on their love of humanity and their concern for the future.

It doesn't matter what you believe to be right or wrong, it matters that everyone gets there in he end.

If there is a God the father of all humanity, would he care how you go to him? As long as you go there in the end.

It seems to me that many of us get sucked into the you're wrong, and the what do you mean I'm wrong, I'm going to defend myself now paradigm.

Its all division in he end, and division is what gives those that wish us ill all the strength.

Right rant over now.

I thought the documentary was really thought provoking, however it will clearly offend the views of those who have a deep and personal faith, but maybe we all need to look past our personal feelings and consider the bigger picture of the message.

[kbo234]

I wouldn't disagree with the jist of what you are saying...

...and, even as a Christian believer, I can say it is not the devotion to the idea of Christ (or God or whatever) that counts, but the genuine search for truth of one's inner being.
However, I happen to believe that Christ was at the place that I would like to be.....and also that his teachings nailed precisely not only the notion of goodness, not only our responsibilities regarding our own behaviour....but also the nature of the evil that torments us.

Amazingly he pointed directly at the primary agents of this evil on earth and these agencies have not changed to this day.

....the moneychangers, the 'scribes', the lawyers and the Pharisees (self-serving, God-hating, Talmud-creating Lucifer-serving pseudo-Jews whose sole interest is a collective drive for power and wealth).

What concerns me about what you say is the following:

Don't get fixed on whether your religion is all right or all wrong, fix on the basic message every religion, there is ultimately no difference.

we all need to look past our personal feelings and consider the bigger picture of the message.

If there is 'no difference' and we should 'consider the bigger picture' what is there that we can agree about that will unite us?

All the efforts of the PTB go into dividing and fracturing society. Their aim is to eliminate all possible opposition and they seem to be working rather successfully at it.
I attend no church now, being disgusted with the failure of my own one (RC) to address the 9/11 issue.
However, religious groups be they Christian, Islamic, Buddhist or whatever, are all a thorn in the sides of the globalists.
If we all 'get the big picture' and abandon our faiths (which is what you seem to be suggesting) we will be left with some kind of new-age man-centred nonsense and we will be putty in their hands.

There is a God.

...whatever that means.

[TonyGosling]

What worries me is that some of these films are pushing a version of 9/11 Truth and related topics which will entirely alienate anyone on the planet who believes in God.

How stupid can you get?

Why would anyone want to do that?

CoIntelPro if you ask me.

Have a look at Chris Everard's films for example - they focus on the issue and have no real anti-spiritual baggage.

We may as well be pushing 9/11 Anti-Semitic films.

[acrobat74]

What worries me is that some of these films are pushing a version of 9/11 Truth and related topics which will entirely alienate anyone on the planet who believes in God.

Sorry to be parachuting into this thread.

It's quite interesting isn't it.

I think what you say Tony makes a valid point and also contains a misconception.

The valid point: from a publicity perspective, the harsh, unbalanced attack of Zeitgeist on Christian dogma is daft.

The misconception: to not believe in a bearded man-like dude is to not believe in God.
The world is far more complex than that. For folks who think like that, I'd recommend exposure to the thinking of Spinoza and Schopenhauer to name a couple of occidental giants.

Official religion has become political establishment.
The author of Zeitgeist correctly points out, as Jesus also pointed out, that the function of religion in this context is to 'create separatist identifications, thus conceits'.
Is it accidental that Jesus was vehemently opposed and eventually murdered by the religious establishment of his time?

The recognition that any contrived separatist identification alienates the species from the essence of its existence is very insightful.


Interestingly, what made me very suspicious about the 1st part of Zeitgeist was the misuse of the JFK speech in the 2nd part.
It's impossible that the author did all the research for the film and didn't know he was taking the JFK quote out of context.
This smacks of fine, elaborate propaganda.

True Christianity is the most anti-establishment, revolutionary force that exists in the world today. Christ's teaching is that true morality is Universal Love. He calls on us to reject and oppose all worldly wickedness. He tells us that worldy power serves Satan. He demands humility and service of the good, which is God.

Well said kbo234, the problem is the species isn't ready for this.
However, to think in terms of the whole and then talk about oneself is the wrong way around.

[Gerald Bostock]

What worries me is that some of these films are pushing a version of 9/11 Truth and related topics which will entirely alienate anyone on the planet who believes in God.

How stupid can you get?

Why would anyone want to do that?

CoIntelPro if you ask me.

Have a look at Chris Everard's films for example - they focus on the issue and have no real anti-spiritual baggage.

We may as well be pushing 9/11 Anti-Semitic films.

My complaint is that the whole thing is so rife with esoteric mumbo-jumbo that it has the potential to lead a rational viewer to think 9/11 Truth is just another silly occult "profane mystery". The nonsense got so deep near the end that I had to wonder how grown men were able to stand in front of others and say what they said with straight faces. There are some tidbits of useful information interspersed with the gibberish. For example, I was unaware of Ramsey Clark's examination of the effects of US sanctions against Iraq.

[eogz]

I understand how you must feel Tony and KBO.

However the message here is for the new agers, they didn't really go into the relation of DNA and all the other stuff but left it for the last 10 minutes. I think to encourage people to look for themselves.

I'm reading one of Gregg Braden's books now, The Divine Matrix and yes you both would probably dismiss it as new age nonesense.

However Jesus was never about Church's and religion, the message was about a way of life, as you will both be aware the current Christian Church is the Pauline Church, and was in the early days at the centre of a schism between St Pual and Jesus' family and other followers. Not much reported in the bible of course, but hey it wouldn't be.

I'm not saying this film is absolute truth, but you all have to understand like a path to God there are many of them, not just Christianity and New Age nonesense.

Like the path to truth there are many too, the basic message of this film is the same as many others, it highlights that something terrible is happening in the world.

Finally KBO, All religions seek to get man closer to god, usually when man gets involved on that process then the path is muddied by Dogma and control mechanisms.

Any religion (not Satanism so don't start) the basic part of it, unsullied by man's influence seeks to bring Man closer to God, whatever you are the path and the message is the same.

Probably should leave it there really.

But a good debate none the less. Cheers fellas.

[xmasdale]

However Jesus was never about Church's and religion, the message was about a way of life, as you will both be aware the current Christian Church is the Pauline Church, and was in the early days at the centre of a schism between St Pual and Jesus' family and other followers. Not much reported in the bible of course, but hey it wouldn't be.

I'm not saying this film is absolute truth, but you all have to understand like a path to God there are many of them, not just Christianity and New Age nonesense.

Like the path to truth there are many too, the basic message of this film is the same as many others, it highlights that something terrible is happening in the world.

Finally KBO, All religions seek to get man closer to god, usually when man gets involved on that process then the path is muddied by Dogma and control mechanisms.

Any religion (not Satanism so don't start) the basic part of it, unsullied by man's influence seeks to bring Man closer to God, whatever you are the path and the message is the same.

As usual I find myself closer to the New Agers than to traditional Christianity.

One colleague in the campaign imagined that because of my membership of the Society of Friends (Quakers) I would take offence at Zeitgeist. I very much doubt it. I tried to explain to her that membership of this society imposes no dogma or belief systems on me, nor on any of its members. It is about trusting our inner promptings of love and truth.

I have long been aware of the similarities beween Christianity and earlier beliefs and I find any information which stimulates us to come nearer to truth, love, and the nature of life, death, the universe and God to be helpful.

I confess I have not seen Zeitgeist. I met the director of it and he said he would send me a copy on DVD, but he hasn't.

I agree that there was a split between the followers of Paul on the one hand and the Church in Jerusalem, headed by Jesus' brother, James, on the other. There is a little about that in the book of Acts, but I'm sure there is much more that we are unaware of, because the Pauline faction came out on top and compiled the New Testament, eventually going on to persuading the Roman Emperor to adopt Pauline Christianity as the Empire's official religion, whereupon the other kinds of Christians, such as the Gnostics and the Arians, were brutally persecuted as heretics.

Intolerance and persecution became a frequent characteristic of the Pauline form of Christianity which dominated the Middle Ages. Even after the Reformation, many Protestant groups practised the same kind of intolerance and fanaticism as their Roman Catholic equivalents.

Noel

[jcr911truth]

There's something not quite right about the "Esoteric Agenda". I'm not religious at all so I was not offended by the New-age approach, although I do find it hard to believe. It had some very interesting information that I hadn't heard of, e.g. the fact that President Bush is a 13th cousin of QEII, and nearly all presidents of the US have been related to the Royal family. That is very interesting. However, there are some also very dubious claims in this documentary, and after having shown us the atrocities carried out by the western world what does it advocate we do? In the last 10 or 15 minutes, to the sound of a disturbing, perhaps subliminal rythmn, it tells us not to protest, not to speak 9/11 truth through a loud-hailer, or carry out truth-action type activities - instead, it tells us to love, and be at peace. Yeah, sure. That'll make a difference won't it? I can only say that, if ever there was a documentary produced by the elite to put us off track, this is it.

[jcr911truth]

This is also one of those kinds of documentaries that is targetted solely at people like us that believe the global elite are pulling the strings. Perhaps it will change some of us into believing in the Mayan calendar and that we should simply accept our lot. On the other hand, people that do not believe in a global elite, or that 9/11 was an inside job, will simply look at this documentary and see it as bs, as being so far out. This is not a good sign. It serves no purpose other than to modify the belief systems of "conspiracy theorists" into something more benign.