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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: What hit the South Tower? Reply with quote

'Where is the roaring noise from huge jet engines? Where is the gigantic bang or explosion one would expect from a huge Boeing 767 slamming into a building?'


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It had the engines switched off and they glided it in, so they wouldnt hear them coming of course!

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In all the videos, has anyone ever seen a jet trail from the engines? Or even heat mirage?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Look, thought criminal has posted another YouTube video.

Seems he has the volume turned down on his computer, though.

The allegedly missing noises were so loud I couldn't hear my radio!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh Look, thought criminal has posted another YouTube video.

Seems he has the volume turned down on his computer, though.

The allegedly missing noises were so loud I couldn't hear my radio!


If you are convinced that what you hearing is the roar of a Boeing or any similar plane in a built up area then I would heavily suggest that you have never been to an airport or you are a dumber bunny than I originally took you for. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stefan, this doesn't sound like any plane????

What's going on here, Stef????

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds to me like the pathetic fake engine roar continued for some time after the alleged impact.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... or that sound takes time to travel through space?

And will appear quieter when it is further away?

Try 80 stories up...

Try again boys...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.... or that sound takes time to travel through space?

And will appear quieter when it is further away?

Try 80 stories up...

Try again boys...


Are you honestly going to stand by that statement? You are telling me that the roar of those engines would not have been picked up by the people on the ground in that clip?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was picked up loud and clear TC. Check your computers not on mute.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't suppose for one minute that you have even heard of the inverse square law, have you thought criminal.

No, probably too scientific for your consideration.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was picked up loud and clear TC. Check your computers not on mute.


So you have changed your mind? Before it wasn't possible to hear it?

Doofus.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't suppose for one minute that you have even heard of the inverse square law, have you thought criminal.

No, probably too scientific for your consideration.


Why do you put 'thought criminal' in itallics?

Come on, enlighten me with 'the inverse square law'.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No TC, I haven't changed my mind, I said that it will be quieter that if it was next to you if it is 80 stories up - I'd like you to point out where you believe I said it couldn't be heard?

Un-mute your computer the roar of the engine is pretty clearly there, my response was to two things- you saying "have you never been to an airport", well at an airport the planes don't land 80 stories above your head, so yes they will sound quieter in that instance.

The first part "sound takes time to travel" is in response to son of a witchfinder saying "it seems to continue on longer than it should". No. Since the sound has to travel down 80 stories it SHOULD be slightly delayed.

All very simple.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No TC, I haven't changed my mind, I said that it will be quieter that if it was next to you if it is 80 stories up - I'd like you to point out where you believe I said it couldn't be heard?

Un-mute your computer the roar of the engine is pretty clearly there, my response was to two things- you saying "have you never been to an airport", well at an airport the planes don't land 80 stories above your head, so yes they will sound quieter in that instance.

The first part "sound takes time to travel" is in response to son of a witchfinder saying "it seems to continue on longer than it should". No. Since the sound has to travel down 80 stories it SHOULD be slightly delayed.

All very simple.


There is no roar on that footage, there is other footage that depicts what a plane would sound like. So, why do they both differ when they are taken at roughly the same distance.

Your lies will be pulverised, Stefan.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no roar on that footage, there is other footage that depicts what a plane would sound like. So, why do they both differ when they are taken at roughly the same distance.

Your lies will be pulverised, Stefan.


I'm sorry but there clearly is a clearly an engine roar, although the explosion sound is somewhat muffled. Any differences between the noises picked up by this camera's mike and any other can be explained by the quality of the sound recording equipment in question, and the relative positions on the ground. This is filmed from what appears to be the west side of the North Tower - a few hundred metres away from the South Tower I would guess, the impact being on the far side of the building - not the best place to hear it by far.

Height of Tower Two: 415 metres

Each tower had 110 stories.

Impact on floor 78 and above

78/110 x 415 = approximately 294m up

The speed of sound = 344 m/s

294/344 = 0.86 seconds for the sound of the impact to reach ground level in a straight line, longer at an angle.

Explosions happen instantly in Hollywood, with no time delay between seeing and hearing an event, but in reality you see an explosion (or any distant, loud event) before you hear it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thought criminal wrote:

There is no roar on that footage, there is other footage that depicts what a plane would sound like. So, why do they both differ when they are taken at roughly the same distance.

Your lies will be pulverised, Stefan.


Different frequency responses on the mics?
Different sampling rates used in the audio recording software?
Digital or analogue format?
Any built in limiting, gating or compression?
We'd have to know the make and model of the original cameras that took the material to be sure.
Even wind direction is a factor.

Hey! Let's not!
Let's all just jump to ridiculous and unfounded conclusions based on our utter lack of knowledge about anything instead!

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There is no roar on that footage, there is other footage that depicts what a plane would sound like. So, why do they both differ when they are taken at roughly the same distance.

Your lies will be pulverised, Stefan.


I'm sorry but there clearly is a clearly an engine roar, although the explosion sound is somewhat muffled. Any differences between the noises picked up by this camera's mike and any other can be explained by the quality of the sound recording equipment in question, and the relative positions on the ground. This is filmed from what appears to be the west side of the North Tower - a few hundred metres away from the South Tower I would guess, the impact being on the far side of the building - not the best place to hear it by far.

Height of Tower Two: 415 metres

Each tower had 110 stories.

Impact on floor 78 and above

78/110 x 415 = approximately 294m up

The speed of sound = 344 m/s

294/344 = 0.86 seconds for the sound of the impact to reach ground level in a straight line, longer at an angle.

Explosions happen instantly in Hollywood, with no time delay between seeing and hearing an event, but in reality you see an explosion (or any distant, loud event) before you hear it.


Now apply the above to this:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do you put 'thought criminal' in itallics?

Come on, enlighten me with 'the inverse square law'.

Can't wait. Laughing

I put all user names in italics. Paranoid?

As for the inverse square law and your lack of knowledge of it, that simply illustrates how ill-researched you and your cartoon theories are. You didn't even have the gumption to put 'inverse square law' and 'sound' in a Google search.
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No TC, I haven't changed my mind, I said that it will be quieter that if it was next to you if it is 80 stories up - I'd like you to point out where you believe I said it couldn't be heard?

Un-mute your computer the roar of the engine is pretty clearly there, my response was to two things- you saying "have you never been to an airport", well at an airport the planes don't land 80 stories above your head, so yes they will sound quieter in that instance.

The first part "sound takes time to travel" is in response to son of a witchfinder saying "it seems to continue on longer than it should". No. Since the sound has to travel down 80 stories it SHOULD be slightly delayed.

All very simple.


Now apply the above madness to this clip:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now apply the above to this:



I don't see any glaring inconsistencies there - there's a significant delay between the sight of the impact and explosion of fuel and the audio, and there's no obstructing objects to speak of so the sound comes in pretty clearly, much as it does when picked up from the east side of Tower 2, as seen here, by Scott Myers.


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Why do you put 'thought criminal' in itallics?

Come on, enlighten me with 'the inverse square law'.

Can't wait. Laughing

I put all user names in italics. Paranoid?

As for the inverse square law and your lack of knowledge of it, that simply illustrates how ill-researched you and your cartoon theories are. You didn't even have the gumption to put 'inverse square law' and 'sound' in a Google search.


I want you to tell me. I like laughing at your feeble reponses. I doubt you have the capacity to surpass the sheer idiocy of your last post, though. I want you to explain it in your own words.

'Maybe it was a subtle way of telling him they had a copy'. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'subtle' was in inverted commas.
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Your lies will be pulverised, Stefan.


Why wait?

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Now apply the above to this:



I don't see any glaring inconsistencies there - there's a significant delay between the sound of the impact and explosion of fuel and the audio, and there's no obstructing objects to speak of so the sound comes in pretty clearly, much as it does when picked up from the east side of Tower 2, as seen here, by Scott Myers.


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How many agents are on here. You can't all be on the dole. Who is paying your wages??? Laughing

Not one of these f*****s appears to have a job???

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you on the dole, thought criminal?

I note that you still haven't enlightened us to your true identity despite your repeated demands that other people should.

What drugs do you take? Are they prescribed or do you buy them?

Did you never get revenge on the guy who bullied you at school and left you sitting in a pool of your own píss. Shame.
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How many agents are on here. You can't all be on the dole. Who is paying your wages???


They say you can't argue with a sick mind, so why try? I've no expectation of reaching you with logic, you're evidently too far gone for that, I'm merely curious to see how far you can take your thoughts before you retreat into the kind paranoia you display above.

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Are you on the dole, thought criminal?

I note that you still haven't enlightened us to your true identity despite your repeated demands that other people should.

What drugs do you take? Are they prescribed or do you buy them?

Did you never get revenge on the guy who bullied you at school and left you sitting in a pool of your own píss. Shame.


I was never bullied at school from what I remember but I do pride myself on the fact that I bullied the bullies. Still, it was such a long time a go.

I dont take any medication.

I have a job.

I have been in correspondence with Andrew Johnson who has my details.

Do you ever get anything right, Flamesong?

What about you, have you revealed your name and address to anybody on here?

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How many agents are on here. You can't all be on the dole. Who is paying your wages???


They say you can't argue with a sick mind, so why try? I've no expectation of reaching you with logic, you're evidently too far gone for that, I'm merely curious to see how far you can take your thoughts before you retreat into the kind paranoia you display above.


You seriously think it's paranoia? You are seriously so naive as to think shills will not be operating on this forum? Are you??

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You seriously think it's paranoia? You are seriously so naive as to think shills will not be operating on this forum? Are you??


I have no strong opinion on the matter, I just find it telling how quickly you resort to accusations of 'shilling' when you're having trouble forming a coherent argument.

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You seriously think it's paranoia? You are seriously so naive as to think shills will not be operating on this forum? Are you??


I have no strong opinion on the matter, I just find it telling how quickly you resort to accusations of 'shilling' when you're having trouble forming a coherent argument.


Whatever, I refuse to waste my energies on a bunch of shills and their naive followers. Do or say what you want. I'm reserving my energies for my campaigning. This board is a sick joke. Have fun.

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