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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Bill Clinton - Hillary Clinton - body count? Reply with quote

While we all agree on Bush etc... some people may think that Clinton was "better" - he could be... but...


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Wikipedia entry for this movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clinton_Chronicles

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The Clinton Body Count in textual form:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html

Snopes says the conspiracy is "false" http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

But there is also the Oklahoma Bombing to consider...

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-12-20/oklahoma-city-and-jamie-gorelick -and-cdi

Feb 2016:
This is not the Clinton Chronicles but another video...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm interesting material
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More information here:

http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-246-meet-the-clintons/

Corbet Report Podcast plus all the associated information.

Snopes is debunked with http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-247-requiem-for-the-suicided-vinc e-foster/ - where Snopes sucks up the official story while Corbett goes for the much better documented info over at

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.ph p

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THE EVENTS SURROUNDING THE DEATH OF VINCENT FOSTER

On July 20, 1993, six months to the day after Bill Clinton took office as President of the United States, the White House Deputy Council, Vincent Foster, told his secretary Deborah Gorham, "I'll be right back". He then walked out of his office, after offering his co-worker Linda Tripp, the leftover M&Ms from his lunch tray.

That was the last time Vincent Foster was seen alive.

Contrary to the White House spin, Vincent Foster's connection to the Clinton's was primarily via Hillary, rather than Bill. Vincent and Hillary had been partners together at the rose law firm, and allegations of an ongoing affair had persisted from the Little Rock days to the White House itself.

Vincent Foster had been struggling with the Presidential Blind trust. Normally a trivial matter, the trust had been delayed for almost 6 months and the U.S. trustee's office was beginning to make noises about it. Foster was also the keeper of the files of the Clinton's Arkansas dealings and had indicated in a written memo that "Whitewater is a can of worms that you should NOT open!"

But Vincent's position at the White House did not sit well with him. Only days before, following a public speech stressing the value of personal integrity, he had confided in friends and family that he was thinking of resigning his position. Foster had even written an outline for his letter of resignation, thought by this writer to have been used as the center portion of the fake "suicide note". Foster had scheduled a private meeting with Bill Clinton for the very next day, July 21, 1993 at which it appeared Foster intended to resign.

Vincent Foster had spent the morning making "busy work" in his office and had been in attendance at the White House announcement of Louis Freeh as the new head of the FBI earlier in the day (passing by the checkpoint manned by White House uniformed guard Styles).

This is a key point. The White House is the most secure private residence in the world, equipped with a sophisticated entry control system and video surveillance system installed by the Mitre Corporation. Yet no record exists that Vincent Foster left the White House under his own power on July 20th, 1993. No video of him exiting the building exists. No logbook entry shows he checked out of the White House.

Several hours after he was last seen inside the White House, Vincent Foster was found dead in Fort Marcy Park, in a Virginia suburb just outside Washington D.C.

The death was ruled a suicide (the first major Washington suicide since Secretary of Defense James Forrestal in 1949), but almost immediately rumors began to circulate that the story of a suicide was just a cover-up for something much worse.

The first witness to find the body insisted that there had been no gun near the body. The memory in Foster's pager had been erased. Critical evidence began to vanish. Many witnesses were harassed. Others were simply ignored. There were even suggestions that the body had been moved, and a Secret Service memo surfaced which reported that Foster's body had been found in his car! The official reports were self-contradictory.

The Looting of Foster's office

While the U.S. Park Police (a unit not equipped for a proper homicide investigation) studied the body, Foster's office at the White House was being looted. Secret Service agent Henry O' Neill watched as Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams, carried boxes of papers out of Vincent Foster's office before the Park Police showed up to seal it. Amazing when you consider that the official identification of Vincent Foster's body by Craig Livingstone did not take place until 10PM! Speaking of Craig Livingstone, another Secret Serviceman saw him remove items from Vincent Foster's office in violation of the official seal. Witnesses also saw Bernard Nussbaum in Foster's office as well. Three witnesses noted that Patsy Thomason, director of the White House's Office of Administration, was desperate to find the combination to Vincent Foster's safe. Ms. Thomason finally opened the safe, apparently with the help of a special "MIG" technical team signed into the White House in the late hours. Two envelopes reported to be in the safe by Foster's secretary Deborah Gorham, addressed to Janet Reno and to William Kennedy III, were never seen again. When asked the next day regarding rumors of the safe opening, Mack McLarty told reporters Foster's office did not even have a safe, a claim immediately shot down by former occupants of that office.

The next day, when the Park Police arrived for the official search of Vincent Foster's office, they were shocked to learn that Nussbaum, Thomason and Williams had entered the office. Conflicts channeled through Janet Reno's Department of Justice resulted in the Park Police merely sitting outside Foster's office while Bernard Nussbaum continued his own search of Foster's office. During this search, he opened and upended Vincent Foster's briefcase, showing it to be empty. Three days later, it would be claimed that this same briefcase was where the torn up suicide note was discovered.

The boxes of documents removed from Foster's office by Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret Williams, were taken to the private residence area of the White House! Eventually, only 54 pages emerged.

One set of billing records, under subpoena for two years, and thought to have originated in Foster's office, turned up unexpectedly in the private quarters of the White House, with Hillary's fingerprints on them!

So, who ordered the office looting?

Bill Clinton was unavailable, being on camera with Larry King. But Hillary Clinton, who had only the day before diverted her planned return to Washington D.C. to Little Rock, was on the phone from Little Rock to someone at the White House in the moments before the looting took place.

The initial reactions

Back in Little Rock, Foster's friends weren't buying it. Doug Buford, friend and attorney, stated, "...something was badly askew." Foster's brother-in-law, a former congressman, also did not accept that depression was what had been behind the "suicide": "That's a bunch of nonsense." And Webster Hubbell, former Clinton deputy attorney general, phoned a mutual friend to say, "Don't believe a word you hear. It was not suicide. It couldn't have been."

Outside experts not connected the official investigation also had their doubts.

Vincent J. Scalise, a former NYC detective, Fred Santucci, a former forensic photographer for NYC, and Richard Saferstein, former head of the New Jersey State Crime Lab formed a team and did an investigation of the VWF case for the Western Journalism Center of Fair Oaks, Calif. They arrived at several conclusions:

(1) Homicide cannot and should not be ruled out.

(2) The position of the arms and legs of the corpse were drastically inconsistent with suicide.

(3) Neither of VWF's hand was on the handgrip when it was fired. This is also inconsistent with suicide. The investigators noted that in their 50 years of combined experience they had "never seen a weapon or gun positioned in a suicide's hand in such an orderly fashion."

(4) VWF's body was probably in contact with one or more carpets prior to his death. The team was amazed that the carpet in the trunk of VF's care had not been studied to see whether he had been carried to the park in the trunk of his own car.

(5) The force of the gun's discharge probably knocked VF's glasses flying; however, it is "inconceivable" that they could have traveled 13 feet through foliage to the site where they were found; ergo, the scene probably was tampered with.

(6) The lack of blood and brain tissue at the site suggests VF was carried to the scene. The peculiar tracking pattern of the blood on his right cheek also suggests that he was moved.


Despite numerous official assurances that Vincent Foster really did commit suicide, more and more Americans, over 70% at the last count, no longer believe the official story. TV specials, most notably the one put out by A&E's "Inside Investigations" with Bill Kurtis, have failed to answer the lingering questions, indeed have engaged in deliberate fraud to try to dismiss the evidence that points to a cover-up.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicholas A. Guerino, newsletter publisher of The Wall Street Underground , compiled a detailed and revealing report on the crash that killed Commerce Secretary Brown and the 35 others. His evidence lead him to the conclusion that the radio beacon guiding Air Force-2 was deliberately diverted to send the plane into the mountain.

Among the incredible anomalies that he cites is the fact that, on orders from high, the customary air safety investigation of plane crashes was stopped.

While Croatian, Russian, and French TV and the U.S. European command in Stuttgart, Germany announced that the 'black boxes' containing the flight date recorder and the cockpit voice recorder were recovered and delivered to the U.S. Marines. However, Pentagon brass later denied this and stated that Air Force-2 was not equipped with flight data and voice recorders (Interestingly, an LA talkradio station took a call from a man who identified himself as the electronics technical expert who stated he personally installed the 'black boxes' in AirForce-2 and completely ridiculed the Pentagon statement that the plane that had carried Hillary Clinton less than two weeks earlier on her trip to Europe was suddenly not equipped with flight date and voice recorders; as mentioned earlier.

Maintenance Chief Niko Jerkuic, in charge of the radio beacon that guided guided Air Force-2 committed 'suicide' shortly after the crash.

Guerino listed a number of scams for which Brown was under investigation by the FDIC, a special investigator for the Justice Department, the Congressional Reform and Oversight Committee, and others. Four days before the crash, FBI and IRS agents subpoenaed as many as 20 witnesses for a Grand Jury probe of Brown. Attempts to quash the investigation were thwarted by Pennsylvania Representative William F. Klinger, Jr., Chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, who revealed incriminating documents. Brown is said to have gone ballistic, and told Clinton that he wasn't going to take the rap.

More info here... including the "survivor" that was then silenced. Shelley Kelly was soon dead after being rescued. She was able to walk onto the helicopter (but not walk away three hours later).

http://dangerouslogic.com/ron_brown.html

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Murder in the First Degree?

On August 6, 1996, 16 officers were punished with official reprimands and other non-criminal punishment incident to the death of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and 34 other Americans in the airplane crash near Dubrovnik, Croatia.

The following article was excerpted from a private letter from Nicholas A. Guarino, former TV Host of Commodities Week, former Arkansas businessman, and editor of Wall Street Underground.
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Events at Cilipi Airport, Dubrovnik, Croatia, on the afternoon of April 3, 1996:
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2:58 Air Force 2, a T-43A , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_T-43 crashes into mountainside... All 35 people aboard including Brown, are dead except for stewardess Shelly Kelly, who, riding in the tail, sustained only minor cuts and bruises.

3:18 U.S. authorities are notified that IFOR-21 is down, location completely unknown [Ed note: despite being tracked by AWACS?]. There will be 11 1/2 hours of confusion before arriving at the scene.

4:00 In the Republic of South Africa, news reports say that an attempt has been made on the life of Ron Brown's law partner, Tommy Boggs, by unknown assailants in a staged car accident in Capetown. Later, Boggs will refuse to discuss it.

7:20 Four hours and 20 minutes after the crash the first Croatian Special Forces search party arrives on the scene and finds only Ms. Kelly surviving. They call for a helicopter to evacuate her to the hospital. When it arrives, she is able to get aboard without assistance from the medics. But Kelly never completes the short hop. She dies en route. According to multiple reports given to journalist/editor Joe L. Jordan, an autopsy later reveals a neat three-inch incision over her main femoral artery. It also shows that the incision came at least three hours after all her other cuts and bruises.

Further necropsies will not happen. Clinton has ordered the cremation of all victims. It is hard to perform autopsies on ashes.
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[radar operator] Niko Jerkuic gets.. a bullet through the chest, shortly before he is scheduled to be grilled by the U.S. Air Force accident investigation team... Jerkuic is immediately labelled a suicide even though there's no evidence. A chest wound is a rather rare cause...
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None of the explanations advanced explain the impossibility of how two experienced pilots, on a 45-minute flight, could follow an NDR beam (accurate to within two feet at the landing point) and crash 1.6 miles off course.

The official Air Force explanation is that the pilots set the compass 10° off course. That is unlikely. Pilots routinely set the compass right before takeoff. If this explanation were correct, they would not have been on course when they passed the first beacon, 11.8 miles from the airport. Furthermore, they were flying on the NDR signal, not the compass.

Another view is that a nasty crosswind "blew" the plane sideways. Not credible: this would require a wind 90° off from the actual wind. Blown off course 1.6 miles?

Most of the press and officialdom have blamed poor visibility to some extent. To do this, they have to take the ferocity of the rainstorm later that afternoon and evening and move it back in time to the crash hour. Records show the weather from 2:54 to 2:58 PM was well within the normal limits for the landing. And NDR beacons never get blown off course.

Pilot fatigue and strain? Not likely on a 45-minute flight.

Equipment malfunction on a rickety old plane? IFOR-21 was the number two plane in the White House fleet: in essence, Air Force Two. It had carried Hillary and Chelsea Clinton and Defense Secretary William Perry just the week before. Everything about the flight was checked out and rehearsed a week in advance.

None of the "official" explanations hold water. All of them ignore the fact that IFOR-21 did not simply stray off the path at the last moment. It went straight as an arrow to its doom the moment it left the Kolocep Island beacon and picked up the Cilipi beacon.

The problem had to be the Cilipi beacon which was shut down at the right moment and a decoy beacon at Sveti Ivan turned on. Couldn't the air traffic controller shed some light on things? Certainly. But now he, too, has "committed suicide!"

The chief investigator for Pratt & Whitney happened to be at the Paris Air Show on April 3. Since Pratt & Whitney always sends an investigator when a plane powered by their engines has a mishap, the man called his boss in America and was to be sent to the site.

As he was packing, however, his boss called back and said, "Don't go. There's not going to be a safety investigation."

The Air Force had, for the first time in its history, canceled the safety investigation of a crash on friendly soil.
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Within hours of the crash, the Croatian Ministry of Transport announced that they had the black boxes. One and half days after the crash, Croatian TV (plus Russian and French TV) announced that the FDR (flight data recorder) and the CVR (cockpit voice recorder) were safely in the hands of U.S. Marines. The U.S. European Command in Stuttgart, Germany, also stated that a black box was on board.

Later, the Pentagon brass stoutly disputed all this, stating that there were no black boxes aboard. It is difficult to imagine that America's #2 VIP plane had no black box. Veteran Air Force mechanics claim that they never have seen a T-43A without a black box.

Why Hit Ron Brown?

Ron Brown was, by all accounts, just a charming fellow working very hard to promote U.S. business. Why would anyone want to kill him? And who would have the resources to do it by bringing down a large White House airplane?

The answer, in brief, is that Ron Brown was going to prison and had threatened to bring Bill Clinton down with him. He was up to his neck in numerous major scandals: Whitewater, the Denver airport mess, Mena, the Keating Five, Lillian Madsen and her Haitian prostitutes, etc.

Twenty-two Congressmen wrote Clinton in February of 1995 demanding that he fire Brown. At the time of his murder, Brown was under investigation by: a special prosecutor in the Justice Department; the FDIC; the Congressional Reform and Oversight Committee; the FBI; the Energy Department; the Senate Judiciary Committee; and even his own Commerce Department Inspector General.

Involved in over a dozen major scandals, Brown was, among other things, Clinton's point man to bring Iranian Muslims and their weaponry into the Bosnia war. That broke the U.S.-endorsed arms embargo. The money for the arms was most likely from Commerce and Agriculture-slush fund money channeled to U.S. manufacturers, thence to U.S. friendly nations and firms overseas, thence to Iran.

The arms included helicopter gun-ships, stinger missiles, land mines, anti-aircraft guns, anti-tank weapons, grenade launchers, and other quality weaponry.

The last nail in Brown's coffin was pounded four days before the crash. The FBI and the IRS subpoenaed as many as 20 witnesses for a serious new grand jury probe of Brown in Washington. The February 8, 1996 Washington Post reported that Brown had retained top legal gun Reid Weingarten, a former high official in the Justice Department, as his criminal attorney. You don't pay his prices ($750 an hour) unless you know a criminal indictment is coming and you're probably going to jail.

Janet Reno appointed Daniel Pearson as Brown's special prosecutor. When she gave him blanket permission to investigate anything, Brown angrily demanded that Clinton force her to withdraw Pearson. But Reno couldn't do that; she had been backed into a corner by Representative William F. Clinger, Jr., who is chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and who had possession of incriminating documents on Brown.

According to confidants who insist on anonymity, when Clinton indicated, he couldn't comply, Brown went ballistic. His fatal mistake was telling Clinton that he wasn't going to take the rap. He was going to finger Bill and Hillary instead.
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Like Vincent Foster before him, Brown knew too much.
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The phoney suicide fake-out used on Foster could not be repeated, of course. But an airplane "whack" is always viewed as an accident.
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Is it possible that 34 innocent Americans were murdered to silence Commerce Secretary Ron Brown? Was this another in a series of cover-ups spanning 13 years and involving President Clinton?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I referenced Snopes above.

Snopes has now been "snoped" - it is run by Democrat-bias pair, a man and woman, in California. In effect no better at using Google than you and me.

http://asheepnomore.net/2013/10/26/snopes-gets-snoped/#sthash.FPJng80f .dpuf

See Snopes is flat-out wrong on 9/11 and Vince Foster, you can also assume that they are flat-out wrong on the Clinton Body Count.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This particular video covers multiple topics including:
- Black Ops
- Secret Government
- RFID tracking

William Pawelec seems very credible. The video was recorded in 1999 but only released after his death.

It is in this thread because he talks about the death of Secretary Ron Brown, the suspicious wounds to his head and his immediate cremation. (From 48 minutes onwards).


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mena Connection, Murder,Drugs and Coverup Clinton & Bush Sr.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VbK1zLS1jA

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Latest anti-Hillary video hints at Clinton Body Count. Certainly points to Hillary's suspicious behavior regarding Vince Foster's death.


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Wikileaks 2012 Killary email: Secure Israeli hegemony, destroy Syria
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http://www.sott.net/article/314861-Wikileaks-2012-Killary-email-Secure -Israeli-hegemony-destroy-Syria


Hilary Clinton candidly outlined US plans to overthrow Assad as a prelude to weakening Iran in a 2012 email released by Wikileaks. Clinton argued that this criminal policy of regime change in Syria was being pursued in large part to help Israel isolate Iran and thereby weaken Tel Aviv's other regional foes like Hezbollah and Hamas by strategically cutting them off "from [their] Iranian sponsor since Syria would no longer be a transit point for Iranian training, assistance and missiles."

Clinton noted that the operation in Syria was in part designed to curtail Iran's nuclear program so that Israel could maintain its "nuclear monopoly" and thereby continue to dominate the region militarily. "The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad," Clinton wrote in the email. She further pontificated:
Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but they are. For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked Iranian nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries. What Israeli military leaders really worry about ­ but cannot talk about ­ is losing their nuclear monopoly. An Iranian nuclear weapons capability would not only end that nuclear monopoly but could also prompt other adversaries, like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, to go nuclear as well. The result would be a precarious nuclear balance in which Israel could not respond to provocations with conventional military strikes on Syria and Lebanon, as it can today. If Iran were to reach the threshold of a nuclear weapons state, Tehran would find it much easier to call on its allies in Syria and Hezbollah to strike Israel, knowing that its nuclear weapons would serve as a deterrent to Israel responding against Iran itself.

Later in the email Clinton bluntly opined: "Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly." She then stated that the US would achieve this by arming Syrian rebels:
Washington should start by expressing its willingness to work with regional allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar to organize, train and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials can start strengthening the opposition. ... Arming the Syrian rebels and using western air power to ground Syrian helicopters and airplanes is a low-cost high payoff approach.

The full email is so incriminating that I will re-print the whole thing here:
UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794498 Date: 11/30/2015

The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.

Negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear program will not solve Israel's security dilemma. Nor will they stop Iran from improving the crucial part of any nuclear weapons program ­ the capability to enrich uranium. At best, the talks between the world's major powers and Iran that began in Istanbul this April and will continue in Baghdad in May will enable Israel to postpone by a few months a decision whether to launch an attack on Iran that could provoke a major Mideast war.

Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but they are. For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked Iranian nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries. What Israeli military leaders really worry about ­ but cannot talk about ­ is losing their nuclear monopoly. An Iranian nuclear weapons capability would not only end that nuclear monopoly but could also prompt other adversaries, like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, to go nuclear as well. The result would be a precarious nuclear balance in which Israel could not respond to provocations with conventional military strikes on Syria and Lebanon, as it can today. If Iran were to reach the threshold of a nuclear weapons state, Tehran would find it much easier to call on its allies in Syria and Hezbollah to strike Israel, knowing that its nuclear weapons would serve as a deterrent to Israel responding against Iran itself.

Back to Syria. It is the strategic relationship between Iran and the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israel's security ­ not through a direct attack, which in the thirty years of hostility between Iran and Israel has never occurred, but through its proxies in Lebanon, like Hezbollah, that are sustained, armed and trained by Iran via Syria. The end of the Assad regime would end this dangerous alliance. Israel's leadership understands well why defeating Assad is now in its interests.

Speaking on CNN's Amanpour show last week, Defense Minister Ehud Barak argued that "the toppling down of Assad will be a major blow to the radical axis, major blow to Iran.... It's the only kind of outpost of the Iranian influence in the Arab world...and it will weaken dramatically both Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza."

Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly. Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted. Right now, it is the combination of Iran's strategic alliance with Syria and the steady progress in Iran's nuclear enrichment program that has led Israeli leaders to contemplate a surprise attack ­ if necessary over the objections of Washington. With Assad gone, and Iran no longer able to threaten Israel through its, proxies, it is possible that the United States and Israel can agree on red lines for when Iran's program has crossed an unacceptable threshold. In short, the White House can ease the tension that has developed with Israel over Iran by doing the right thing in Syria.

The rebellion in Syria has now lasted more than a year. The opposition is not going away, nor is the regime going to accept a diplomatic solution from the outside. With his life and his family at risk, only the threat or use of force will change the Syrian dictator Bashar Assad's mind.

The Obama administration has been understandably wary of engaging in an air operation in Syria like the one conducted in Libya for three main reasons. Unlike the Libyan opposition forces, the Syrian rebels are not unified and do not hold territory. The Arab League has not called for outside military intervention as it did in Libya. And the Russians are opposed.

Libya was an easier case. But other than the laudable purpose of saving Libyan civilians from likely attacks by Qaddafi's regime, the Libyan operation had no long-lasting consequences for the region. Syria is harder. But success in Syria would be a transformative event for the Middle East. Not only would another ruthless dictator succumb to mass opposition on the streets, but the region would be changed for the better as Iran would no longer have a foothold in the Middle East from which to threaten Israel and undermine stability in the region.

Unlike in Libya, a successful intervention in Syria would require substantial diplomatic and military leadership from the United States. Washington should start by expressing its willingness to work with regional allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar to organize, train and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials can start strengthening the opposition. It will take time. But the rebellion is going to go on for a long time, with or without U.S. involvement.

The second step is to develop international support for a coalition air operation. Russia will never support such a mission, so there is no point operating through the UN Security Council. Some argue that U.S. involvement risks a wider war with Russia. But the Kosovo example shows otherwise. In that case, Russia had genuine ethnic and political ties to the Serbs, which don't exist between Russia and Syria, and even then Russia did little more than complain. Russian officials have already acknowledged they won't stand in the way if intervention comes.

Arming the Syrian rebels and using western air power to ground Syrian helicopters and airplanes is a low-cost high payoff approach. As long as Washington's political leaders stay firm that no U.S. ground troops will be deployed, as they did in both Kosovo and Libya, the costs to the United States will be limited. Victory may not come quickly or easily, but it will come. And the payoff will be substantial. Iran would be strategically isolated, unable to exert its influence in the Middle East. The resulting regime in Syria will see the United States as a friend, not an enemy. Washington would gain substantial recognition as fighting for the people in the Arab world, not the corrupt regimes. For Israel, the rationale for a bolt from the blue attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would be eased. And a new Syrian regime might well be open to early action on the frozen peace talks with Israel. Hezbollah in Lebanon would be cut off from its Iranian sponsor since Syria would no longer be a transit point for Iranian training, assistance and missiles. All these strategic benefits and the prospect of saving thousands of civilians from murder at the hands of the Assad regime (10,000 have already been killed in this first year of civil war).

With the veil of fear lifted from the Syrian people, they seem determine to fight for their freedom. America can and should help them ­ and by doing so help Israel and help reduce the risk of a wider war.


Comment: From another email in the archive:
The fall of the House of Assad could well ignite a sectarian war between the Shiites and the majority Sunnis of the region drawing in Iran, which, in the view of Israeli commanders would not be a bad thing for Israel and its Western allies.
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In the opinion of this [Israeli intelligence] individual, such a scenario would distract and might obstruct Iran from its nuclear activities for a good deal of time.
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In addition, certain senior Israeli intelligence analysts believe that this turn of events may even prove to be a factor in the eventual fall of the current government of Iran.

The Israelis are smart. They know that a nuclear Iran is no real threat to Israel. Unlike the Israelis, the Iranians aren't that crazy. What the Israelis want is total regional dominance in every sphere. And they will use any and every means to achieve and keep it: assassination, terrorism, fomenting "civil war", blackmail, black propaganda... Thankfully they have tools like Killary to do their bidding.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Victor Thorn deserves his own thread but looks very much another Clinton Body Count victim.

    Victor Thorn was a hard-hitting researcher, journalist and author of over 50 books.
    His books on the Clintons becoming very popular
    Decides to "commit suicide" on his birthday using a firearm
    "No evidence of foul play" - family believes it was suicide
    No suicide note...


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ED Noor: It is with a very heavy heart that I post this piece regarding the death of one of the great writer/researchers of our times, Victor Thorn. Here is the announcement from AFP but expect updates as they come, simply because personally, I don’t think this was a suicide. Prolific writers are prone to leaving notes. His family could possibly be simply terrorized knowing the dangers Victor lived with and could have brought into their homes. I can only say that over the years I always enjoyed reading the work of this great man. He was honest, hard hitting,, to the point, truly a great contributor to the real truth. Yes, he was a staunch enemy of the usual suspects not to mention one of Hillary and Bill’s most prominent and dangerous critics. Whatever the story, Victor Thorn, you are with some of the other greats now. Oh, what stories you all have to tell each other! Rest in peace.
Prominent AFP Clinton Researcher Found Dead
AFP investigative reporter, prominent Clinton researcher, and prolific author Victor Thorn was found dead, the apparent victim of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

By the Staff at AFP ~ Prolific author, AMERICAN FREE PRESS writer and seasoned Clinton researcher Victor Thorn was found at the top of a mountain near his home, the apparent victim of a gunshot wound. Family and some close friends contend Thorn took his own life on his birthday, August 1. Thorn would have been 54.
At the peak of his writing career, the author of some 20 books and 30 chapbooks, Thorn had reported for this newspaper for over a decade, writing thousands of articles on myriad subjects from conspiracy to health-related topics. Best known for his investigate research on the Clintons, Thorn wrote the Clinton trilogy ~ three definitive works that delved into the history of the power couple including their sordid scandals, Bill Clinton’s sexual assaults of multiple women, and the drug running out of Mena, Arkansas while Clinton was governor of the state.
Besides writing for AFP, Thorn published the works of numerous writers in the alternative media such as Michael Collins Piper, Adam Gorightly, Mark Glenn, John Kaminski and Joan d’Arc, while also producing five CDs and DVDs, one of which is a five-disc collection that covers the John F. Kennedy assassination.
Thorn also served as the editor of five anthologies, and his political articles have appeared in various newspapers around the country.
In February 2001, Thorn founded Babel magazine, an online publication that ran until early 2004 and featured some of the first articles devoted to the 9-11 conspiracy.
One of his books, The New World Order Exposed, was translated and published in Japan in 2006, while 9-11 on Trial has been republished by Progressive Press, and was also released in France to coincide with the fifth anniversary of 9-11.
After co-hosting “The Victor Thorn Show” on the Reality Radio Network from 2002-2003, in February 2004, Thorn co-founded WING TV (World Independent News Group), a daily Internet television and radio talk show viewed in over 100 countries worldwide.
Thorn has also made hundreds of different radio appearances (including “Coast-to-Coast AM” and “The Lionel Show” on WOR 710 in New York City) and has done weekly one-hour news updates on Alex Merklinger’s “Mysteries of the Mind,” while also appearing weekly on Vyzygoth’s “From the Grassy Knoll” and Frank Whalen’s “Frankly Speaking Radio.”
Thorn has been an avid political activist who spoke at the OKC Bombing 10th anniversary, as well as before the America First Party.
He has also protested in six different states, not to mention at Ground Zero on several occasions and in front of the White House in Washington, D.C.
Some supporters have voiced concerns that yet another prominent critic of the Clintons has turned up dead ~ this time just after Hillary Clinton secured the Democratic nomination.
Family has countered that there was no evidence of foul play at the scene and that Thorn most likely took his own life.
At this time, however, we are looking into all possibilities. The recent release of Crowning Clinton: Why Hillary Shouldn’t Be in the White House and the Hillary (And Bill) trilogy, which has been selling off the shelves at AFP recently ~ exposing all the dirty secrets the Clintons have tried so hard to conceal over the years ~ certainly provides a motive for murder.
Thorn recently had some startling success with his research and writing. At the end of 2015, coauthors Roger Stone and Robert Morrow dedicated their book The Clintons’ War on Women to Victor, and in the early part of 2016, a prominent publisher in Poland purchased the rights to translate and sell Thorn’s Clinton trilogy.
If, in fact, Thorn was taken out by the Clintons, we will, sadly, have to add Thorn’s name to the long list of Clinton victims to be found in Thorn’s own masterpiece, Hillary (And Bill): The Murder Volume.
Rest in Peace.
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ANNOUNCEMENT

The WRH server is under REALLY INTENSE attacks today by Hillary's people.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php

So I've posted whole article, in case original gets taken down.
The author has courage, considering the murders are still ongoing:

But the site keeps bouncing back, so if during the day you cannot connect, wait a minute and try again.

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THE CLINTON BODY-COUNT

NEW! Updated for Hillary's 2016 run!

My thanks to everyone who took the time to write and suggest corrections. Many changes have been made to this list based on the info sent in and more will be added in the very near future.

In compiling this list I have tried to find as much photographic evidence as I can, but surprisingly (or maybe not so surprisingly) these people in many cases seem to have been erased from the internet!

The following is a partial list of a large number of persons who have recently met their demise in suspicious circumstances who appear to have some connection to the Clintons. I stress partial because new additions are coming in faster than closets can be found to hide the bodies in!

Don Adams

Died January 7, 1997
Long before Whitewater's land flips made the Clinton's circle of friends rich, many of the same players had been involved in a similar land swindle in Branson. Don Adams was a lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings.

[Don Adams missing]
Click for full size article of Don Adams missing.

[Don Adams found dead]
Click for full size article of Don Adams found dead.

The successor attorney for Don left for parts unknown about a year after Don was killed....................

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Sadly, the list goes on......

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From another thread
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=174176#174176

FREEMASONRY TODAY - SUMMER 1998 - ISSUE 05
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Bill Clinton's Big Inspiration
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/268996/DeMolay-Bil l%20Clinton's%20Masonic

Where did the most powerful man in the world get his inspiration from?

In 1961, when President Kennedy was in his Camelot and the Cold War got colder as the Berlin Wall was erected, a 15 year old boy walked into the Masonic Temple at 311 West Grand Hot Springs, Arkansas. There, he was inducted into a youth organisation which had formulated its principles on the life and death of the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, Jacques de Molay, roasted alive in Paris in 1314.
This teenager had been born William Jefferson Blythe on 19 August 1946, in the small town of Hope, Arkansas. He was named after his father who had been killed in a car accident three months before his son was born. Later, his mother re-married and he took his step-father's name of Clinton. The rest is history. As the 42nd President of the United States of America, Bill Clinton is now eager to point out that he owes a great deal to an Order which was founded by American Freemasons and is run under the auspices of the Craft.
Yet, mysteriously, the world-wide Order of de Molay, which also includes in its Hall of Fame such luminaries as John Wayne, Burl Ives, Walt Disney, Mel Blanc, Bob Mathias, Walter Cronkite, John Steinbeck, US astronauts and US senators, has never made a foothold in the United Kingdom; even though over one million young men have passed through its portals. Many have gone on to join the Craft.

The Founding of the Order

In the year 1919, Frank Land answered his telephone and recognised the voice of Sam Freet, newly installed Senior Warden of Ivanhoe Lodge in Kansas City, Missouri. Freet asked if Land could find a part-time job for the eldest son of a mason who had died a year before. After he met the youngster, Land was impressed and began to mull over the idea of an organisation for young men meeting at the Missouri Temple - young men in need of uplifting influence.
A week later, nine youths and Land met in one of the meeting rooms of the Temple and agreed to meet again as a club. It was decided to make the eligible age group from 15 to 21. But what about a name? They turned to Land for suggestions. He pointed to a recent series of prints on the wall which showed the adventures of Sir Galahad and the Knights of the Round Table. There was a negative shaking of heads. The greatest of wars had ended only a few months before, and the adventures of knights of old seemed far away. Names were mentioned from history and the Bible and Land was asked to tell them something connected with Masonry. He mentioned Jacques de Molay and the story around him; the name caught the boys imaginations. Here was a great example of loyalty, of courage, a theme of knighthood and chivalry and the name of a martyr to fidelity and toleration. In 1305 Philip the Fair, King of France, set about to take control of the Knights Templar and seize their wealth. The year 1307 saw the beginning of the persecution of the Knights and De Molay, along with hundreds of others, was seized and thrown into a dungeon. For seven years, he and others suffered torture and inhuman conditions. Nevertheless, De Molay continued to be loyal to his friends and Knights.

Bill Clinton's Memories

What does William Jefferson Clinton think of his De Molay experience? I have a lot of memories of De Molay. Really rich ones and all good. I enjoyed learning all the parts of the ritual... it meant a lot to me. I think it helped me develop my mind and helped me to develop my speaking ability. I remember the projects we did and the work that I did as a member of the team. Since I was an only child until I was aged ten and came from a small family, working with other people was a very important lesson I learned. A lot of my close friends today are people I met when I was in De Molay.
During his period with the Hot Springs Chapter of De Molay, the future President served as a Master Counsellor and later, in 1964, he received his Degree of Chevalier : the highest honour an active De Molay can receive. He is remembered by one member of De Molay at the time (now a successful banker) as earnest and determined. It was obvious that he was proud to be a De Molay and it was equally obvious that he would get on in life. I don't think any of his friends appreciated just how far he would get, but I for one am not surprised!
Clinton's words of praise for the Society are not Political Speak, they are genuine words of affection. One action epitomised this when, during a visit to the Philippines in November 1996 for the Apec Summit, Clinton sent his security men into a flap when he decided to make an unscheduled helicopter flight to a De Molay meeting. The Philippine Daily Inquirer reported : In a clear breach of protocol, Clinton - the most watched and tightly guarded man during the summit - made an unscheduled stop, flying in from Subic at the Quirino Grandstand to receive an award from the local chapter of a Masonic group of which he was once a member. Clinton met a group from the Order of Molay of the Philippines to receive the Grand Master's Maltese Cross Award for his outstanding service and continuing concern for the welfare and development of youth.

Self destruction

Clinton believes it is far more difficult to be young today, and sees 'self destruction' as the greatest threat to young people. In our country, we waste more people than any of our competitors. From infant mortality and low birth weight, to kids showing up for kindergarten and not being prepared to learn, to people dropping out of school and people basically shooting themselves in the foot by doing things or picking up habits they don't need. That's why De Molay is so important. That's why it will always be important. We've got to find a way, particularly with kids who come from disadvantaged backgrounds, to pierce this fog in which so many of them live and the way they kind of wander through life with no direction and fall into these terribly destructive traps.
He continued : That can only be done one on one. Some adult has got to be able to look into the eyes of a child and say, I care about you. You are an important creature of God. You've got to get a hold of your life and do what's right.
The President is convinced that America has to continue to develop leadership : Every generation needs to have a group of people who really understand what's going on and can summon others to make the sacrifices and decisions, to take the action that has to be taken at that time to sustain the country. So, both of these things are things that De Molay responds to.

A De Molay in the White House

On hearing the outcome of Clinton's election as President, De Molay Grand Master Jerold J Samet siad : I am proud to be an American and I am proud of the fact that we have, at long last, a Senior De Molay in the White House.
President Clinton believes in the spiritual value of De Molay for a full life : Life is an exciting adventure and very much worth living. Part of what makes it exciting and worth living is the pain, the failure and the disappointment that go along with the victories and the elation of getting what you want. I think it's terribly important that we take life in all of its aspects. If you want joy, you've got to have the burdens of failure. You have to kind of keep your eye on the prize; you have to keep looking ahead and always looking toward tomorrow. Particularly young people, try to forget about yesterday. There's always tomorrow. If we can convince enough young people that their goal is tomorrow then we're going to be just fine. I'd also tell them that I got to be Governor when I was 32. I grew up in a family with no money and no political influence. My mother was widowed when I was born. I had a lot of breaks. A lot of people helped me. So, it doesn�t matter what the circumstances are when you start. It's where you wind up in the finish. De Molay, I think, helps that. It trains people to believe that if your values are good, you develop your mind, you work hard - wherever you start, you can finish in a very good place.

Doug Pickford would like to thank Jeffrey Speaker, Executive Director of the De Molay Service and Leadership Centre, Kansas City, for his help in producing this



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Clinton victim:
'Clinton body count expands, MSM largely ignores death of Jen Moore':
https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/clinton-body-count-jen-moore-1 05226/
Anther important journalist and author, Gary Webb, is another. He has I believe his own thread, but he belongs here as well, as an obvious 'Clinton Victim'.
Gary Webb: 'Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras and the Crack Cocaine Explosion'


Another youtube video that is highly relevant to the Clinton Bodycount, though Terry Reed survived:
'Meet me at Mena':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lewEdi5kuiA
He also wrote a damning book largely on the Clinton's crimes:
'Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA': Terry Reed

And then there is Cathy O'Brien's testimony, in two books (which includes damning testimony re both Clintons):
'TRANCE Formation of America: True life story of a mind control slave' and
'ACCESS DENIED For Reasons Of National Security'.
See also youtube:
'Cathy O'Brien Mark Phillips MKULTRA Survivor Granada Forum':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE2Aa6morVU

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