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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: BBC's Emma Barnett's father Ian = top Manchester gangster Reply with quote

She confirmed it in her Telegraph column
Also
The sins of the father are not the sins of the child': BBC's new star and her heartbreak over the prison shame of her father
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636992/Dad-s-prison-shame-bro ke-heart-BBC-5-Live-s-new-star-6-2million-brothel-keeper-father.html


'Vile and immoral' man jailed

A `VILE and immoral' man who made millions of pounds from a string of brothels has today been jailed for three years and eight months. Ian Barnett, 56, of Ingledene Avenue, Broughton Park, had earlier pleaded guilty to keeping brothels at Shudehill in Manchester, Stockport Road, Levenshulme, and Cheetham Hill between 2004 and 2005.

By Manchester Evening News
22:27, 18 APR 2010UPDATED19:47, 12 JAN 2013
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/vi le-and-immoral-man-jailed-943459

A `VILE and immoral' man who made millions of pounds from a string of brothels has today been jailed for three years and eight months.

Ian Barnett, 56, of Ingledene Avenue, Broughton Park, had earlier pleaded guilty to keeping brothels at Shudehill in Manchester, Stockport Road, Levenshulme, and Cheetham Hill between 2004 and 2005; keeping a brothel called Angels in Altrincham in 2005; controlling prostitution in relation to a woman who had been trafficked into this country from Lithuania and conspiracy to control a string of brothels between 2005 and the beginning of 2007.

The court heard Barnett had earlier been given an eight month sentence suspended for two years in October 2005 for living off immoral earnings, but that after making attempts to disguise his involvement by transferring leases into other people's names, he had continued to make more than £2,500 a week from them.

Financial investigators who looked at accounts from the brothels over a two month period estimated they had a turn-over of £2.5 million in the space of two-and-a-half years.

Sentencing him at Manchester Crown Court, Judge Anthony Ensor said: "Your persistent offending makes this case one of considerable gravity."

He added: "I am satisfied that you are an avaricious and callous individual. It was greed which motivated you to continue to run the business after you were initially arrested and sentenced as amply demonstrated by your keen monitoring of the trade of these brothels.

Vile trade

"Further, the discipline you exercised over these women displays your uncaring and heartless approach. This was a vile trade undertaken by an evil and immoral man."

He said that although there was no evidence Barnett had been involved in the trafficking of a Lithuanian woman employed in one of his brothels, the premises had "afforded people traffickers the opportunity to place those foreign women to work."

Balding, bespectacled Ian Barnett was arrested after police were alerted to the trafficked Lithuanian woman working in one of his four Manchester brothels.

The 19-year-old woman, who came “from a very humble background”, was brought to the UK by an Albanian gang under the pretext that she could earn money as a cleaner.

“Instead she found herself treated as a commodity,” prosecutor Tina Landale told Manchester Crown Court today.

The woman, who spoke no English, was forced to work at Dolly Mixtures at Shude Hill, Manchester.

Ms Landale said: “She had to sit with other prostitutes on the couch until a customer chose her.

“She was used as a prostitute on 12 occasions while at the brothel.

“Ian Barnett took her photograph without her knowledge or her consent and he put her picture on the internet to advertise her as a prostitute without her consent.”

The woman, who cannot be named, spent three days at the brothel before being rescued by police, following a tip-off, on July 31, 2005.

Ms Landale said she had alerted two Russian-speaking Polish men to her plight.

Frightened

She said a Czech prostitute who met the Lithuanian girl described her as “frightened”.

Ms Landale said there were 12 other foreign girls who were suspected of being trafficked but this was never proved.

Barnett was never charged with people trafficking offences.

He delegated the day to day running of his sex empire to three female managers.

Ms Landale said Barnett was warned four times that he would be prosecuted if he carried on running brothels.

She said: “Effectively Ian Barnett turned a blind eye, took a Nelsonian approach, to the trafficking of women.

“He is not charged with trafficking any women but he provided premises where traffickers were able to take women.” [/code]

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

School aide laundered brothel cash
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/sc hool-aide-laundered-brothel-cash-946427

A TEACHING assistant has been convicted of laundering thousands of pounds made by her husband's string of brothels. Michele Barnett, 55, a £7,000-a-year special needs teaching assistant at King David School in Prestwich, was sentenced to six months in jail, suspended for two years.

ByManchester Evening News
03:48, 19 APR 2010UPDATED18:33, 21 JAN 2013

A TEACHING assistant has been convicted of laundering thousands of pounds made by her husband's string of brothels.

Michele Barnett, 55, a £7,000-a-year special needs teaching assistant at King David School in Prestwich, was sentenced to six months in jail, suspended for two years.

Manchester Crown Court heard mortgage payments on the mum's lavish five-bedroom home in Ingledene Avenue, Broughton Park, were made with cash from the brothels of her husband Ian Barnett.

Ian Barnett, 56, a former surveyor, was last month jailed for three years and eight months after pleading guilty to keeping brothels with a turnover of more than £2.5m in Manchester centre, Levenshulme and Cheetham Hill.

He also pleaded guilty to controlling the prostitution of a woman who was trafficked into this country from Lithuania by an Albanian crime gang who promised her a job as a cleaner.

Mrs Barnett was sentenced after a jury found her guilty of 10 counts of money laundering equating to just over £9,000. She was cleared of a further 14 counts.

Tina Landale, prosecuting, said Mrs Barnett must have known where her husband's money came from after press cuttings were found at their home along with envelopes full of money from the brothels with her husband's name on.

Photographs of some of the women Ian Barnett had taken to post on a website advertising the brothels had also been taken in the lounge and piano room of the family home.

Police found emails between Mr Barnett and his daughter Emma, talking about his `whores'.

The couple, married for more than 25 years, had a Rolls-Royce and a Jaguar with personal plates, went on exotic holidays and lived a `wealthy lifestyle'.

Miss Landale said: "The brothels sold sex videos to the customers and when the police searched the house they discovered a TV continuously recording sex films and 3,000 sex videos in the house.

"Michele Barnett could not have failed to notice the production of these tapes and the prosecution say she must have known what they were for."

After the case, Mrs Barnett said she had thought her husband had sold his business in 2005 and that the couple were now `estranged'.

She said her husband made the mortgage payments from his bank account and she did not know the money was illegal.


Joshua Rowe, head of governors at King David School, said Mrs Barnett who was still employed by the school, was `totally committed to the well being of the children'.

Her future at the school would have to be discussed with police and education authority.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan Kalmus
December 29, 2011
Brothel owner's £4.2m appeal win
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/brothel-owner-s-4-2m-appeal-win-1.3 0821
Ian Barnett: living on benefits
Ian Barnett: living on benefits
A Jewish man convicted of making millions running a string of brothels in Manchester has had his proceeds-of-crime court confiscation order reduced by £4.2 million after winning an appeal that could affect future prosecutions of people operating in the sex industry.

Three judges at the Court of Appeal in London upheld a claim that a Manchester judge had wrongly ordered the confiscation of £4.2 million of brothel earnings made by Ian Barnett, 60, from Prestwich. Mr Barnett had already forfeited £21,000 in the first of his two convictions for operating brothels, preventing a judge from confiscating immoral earnings from the previous six years, under a legal technicality. He is now liable for £873,010 of immoral gains made after 2005.

The court heard that Mr Barnett's prostitution businesses, "whilst not condoned by the local police, did receive a measure of tacit approval over a period of time." Mr Barnett claimed that Greater Manchester Police gave a kind of legal permission to run his brothels in return for co-operation and assurances that his businesses did not involve drugs or under-age girls.

It followed Home Office guidance issued at the time that advised police forces to focus on "trying to ensure that prostitution took 'the least unacceptable form'", the judges notes.

The appeal ruling last Wednesday will not materially affect how much Mr Barnett will pay, after the court upheld the Manchester court's actual fine of just £4,000 of the £5 million, because financial investigators found Mr Barnett has subsequently become impoverished and is living on benefits.

However, the judges said the case "could not exclude the possibility that it may become relevant in future proceedings." Mr Barnett, who was given a three-year prison sentence in 2008 and has admitted to running brothels, is involved in a number of legal appeals aimed at clearing the names of brothel owners who claim they were misled by the police and the Home Office into believing they would not be prosecuted for their prostitution activities.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emma Barnett: A Classic “Philip Cross” Wikipedia Operation
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/emma-barnett-a-classic -philip-cross-wikipedia-operation/

21 May, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig
High Tory, ex Daily Telegraph and Murdoch, expensive private school, Emma Barnett is BBC Politics’ rising star and stood in as host of the BBC flagship Marr programme on Sunday. She was there rude and aggressive to Labour’s Barry Gardiner. The “highlight” of her career so far was during the general election when on Radio 4 Women’s Hour she demanded instant top of the head recall of complicated figures from Jeremy Corbyn, a ploy the BBC never turns on the Tories.

The most interesting fact about Emma Barnett is that her exclusive private education was funded by her parents who were pimps and brothel keepers on a large scale, for which both were convicted.

I know of no compelling evidence as to whether Barnett was, or was not, complicit in her parents’ activities, which financed her education into adulthood. But that this background is interesting and unusual is not in doubt. However the MSM’s image protector, “Philip Cross”, has been assiduous in, again and again, deleting the information about Barnett’s parents from Wikipedia. Not only has Cross deleted the referenced information of her parents being brothel-keepers, he has repeatedly inserted the ludicrous euphemisms that her father was a “businessman” and her mother a “housewife”.

Cross has also deleted references to Barnett – who wrote for the Telegraph and then for Murdoch’s Times, being “right wing”. He has instead inserted claims that criticisms of Emma Barnett following her aggressive Corbyn interview were “anti-semitic”, in a classic Cross move to undermine any left-wing point. Naturally he had references from the Times and the Guardian – evidence free articles – to back up these claims – and naturally from journalists whose Wikipedia pages Cross curates. You get the circle?

On 21 June 2017 editor Alfonz-kiki complained that Cross’s continual whitewashing of Barnett’s entry was by “paid PR”. He pointed out that he had references on her parents’ brothels from the BBC and the Daily Telegraph. Alfonz-kiki is one of scores to have separately noticed and complained of Cross’s activities over years, but Cross has been defended by Wikipedia again and again and again.

Barnett is demonstrably right wing from her Murdoch and Telegraph columns. Her expensive private education – which got her where she is – was undeniably paid for by the proceeds of prostitution and by the trafficking in persons that led to the operation being closed down. But Philip Cross makes sure you can see none of that on Wikipedia.

In case you are saying that Cross is justified, Barnett’s parents activities were not her fault and ought not be on her Wikipedia page, let me remind you of one thing. The same “Philip Cross” edited my own Wikipedia page to state that my wife Nadira used to be a stripper, sourced to the Mail. Cross abuses family information, as all other information, to defame dissidents or to burnish Establishment defenders, not according to a moral code.

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John Orr
May 21, 2018 at 13:04
I’m guessing the parents illegally laundered their proceeds of prostitution and avoided tax on the same.


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Clark
May 21, 2018 at 13:58
Your guess would seem to be correct:

– “School aide laundered brothel cash”:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/s chool-aide-laundered-brothel-cash-946427


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Tony
May 21, 2018 at 14:43
This statement shows a very high degree of understanding towards her.

“Her future at the school would have to be discussed with police and education authority.”


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J
May 21, 2018 at 13:12
I notice Philip Cross did a series of edits on Gary Webb’s wiki entry in March this year. His first edit altered the article from this:

“On December 10, 2004, Webb was found dead in his apartment shot twice in the head. His death was ruled a suicide.”

To this “Webb committed suicide on December 10, 2004.”

Quite a substantial alteration of meaning, as I’m sure whoever made it would agree.


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Paul
May 21, 2018 at 13:53
OK, I’ll bite. What would you regard as sufficient evidence that someone committed suicide in the case that no-one is known to have witnessed the death?


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Paul Barbara
May 21, 2018 at 14:43
@ Paul May 21, 2018 at 13:53
If you knew about the Gary Webb case, you would be very skeptical that Gary committed ‘suicide’, but highly suspicious he was ‘suicided’. He upset a number of very important people, including the Clintons and the CIA.
And it is also highly suspicious for someone to shoot themselves TWICE in the head.
His book was titled ‘Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion’, and Bill Clinton was smack dab at the centre of it (as Governor of Arkansas, where Mena Airport was located).


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Paul
May 21, 2018 at 14:52
By coincidence I recently attended a talk on the subject of someone who allegedly committed suicide by shooting himslef 5 times! The discussion by people with first-hand knowledge of firearms and pathology was quite enlightening.

The problem I have with the coimment is that if you decide that no “ruling” by a court/coroner/whoever is valid then you’re going to live a very depressing life, and, logically, your only recourse is anarchy.


arthurfaeleith
May 21, 2018 at 15:02
But the original entry included the court/coroner’s ruling. What is wrong with mentioning that he shot himself twice in the head?


Paul Barbara
May 21, 2018 at 15:17
@ Paul May 21, 2018 at 14:52
If you believe that in highly-charged cases ‘..court/coroner/whoever..’s ‘rulings’ are not highly likely to be swayed by political pressure, bribery, or blackmail, then you are extremely naive.
Remember Dr. David Kelly?


Clark
May 21, 2018 at 15:36
Arguing about whether it was a suicide or not is the wrong approach for Wikipedia. Philip Cross removed well-sourced information – the two shots to the head – and that contravenes Wikipedia guidelines. On the other hand, it is a Wikipedia guideline to present court findings as direct fact.

The answer is to separate the two pieces of information; ie: “Webb was found dead with two shots to his head” with an appropriate citation from before the coroner’s hearing, followed by “which was found to be suicide” with the existing citation. Removing the citation you added would then be contrary to WP rules.


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Tony Broomfield
May 21, 2018 at 15:12
How about shooting yourself in the head TWICE?
I would have thought that even if the first was a lousy shot, the trauma would have precluded a second shot?


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Node
May 21, 2018 at 13:24
We can safely assume that the Philip Cross ‘operation’ is sanctioned by the UK deep state, if not actually run by them. It is too big and too influential to be under their radar. Therefore, for the time being, it is a strong indicator of who they regard as friends and enemies.

I’d never heard of Emma Barnett till today, but with a high degree of confidence I can label her as untrustworthy due to her being a protégé of the Dark Side.


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Clark
May 21, 2018 at 15:42
Wikipedia of course has an arrangement with governments; truly classified information is removed by administrators such that its original inclusion and its subsequent removal do not show in the article history.

Therefore “Philip Cross” looks to me like a media/PR operation rather than anything done by government.


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mrjohn
May 21, 2018 at 13:59
Her parents’ behavior is not her responsibility.
Her best policy would be to make it public herself, and say “So what?”


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Anthony
May 21, 2018 at 15:06
Craig didn’t say Barnett was responsible for her parents’ behaviour. His point is that all reference to the source of her private school fees was edited out by Philip Cross. A guy edited IN allegations about Craig’s wife on his Wikipedia page.


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Tony Broomfield
May 21, 2018 at 15:19
She did do that its here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636992/Dad-s-prison-shame-bro ke-heart-BBC-5-Live-s-new-star-6-2million-brothel-keeper-father.html
I agree this is not about her though its about “Philip Cross”, who probably does not exist, but is just a name on a Wiki Account
No to mention the fact that Cross also wrote an abominable lie about the wife of Craig Murray along similar lines
Hard to sue someone who doesn’t exist for libel though innit?
I am going with the “Conspiracy Theory” that Wikipedia is one big bag full ‘o Lies, purely on the grounds that when the wikiman Wales was taken to task he showed all the signs of being a total * and I would like to see him tumble
Overreaction?
What?
This is a direct attack on Democracy and YES I do want to see heads roll


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pete
May 21, 2018 at 14:08
I see “Philip Cross” has also tampered (edited) the entry for Kalen Ockerman, the artist of the Brick Lane Mural: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mear_One&action=history adding significant detail critical of Corbyn.


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Sharp Ears
May 21, 2018 at 14:20
Grenfell Tower: Inquiry opens with tribute to stillborn baby
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44190742

Judge Moore Bick was very ‘moved’ by the account from the baby’s father. I am sure he was.

This inquiry is just another piece of theatre like the Chilcot long winded and very expensive farce..

A message from H&M http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddqvlk7V4AANxhg.jpg:large


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David Murdoch
May 21, 2018 at 14:25
On the topic of being tarnished by your parents’ deeds, from the cited Manchester Evening News artice,

“Police found emails between Mr Barnett and his daughter Emma, talking about his `whores’. ”

Sounds like complicity to me…


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Tony
May 21, 2018 at 14:59
A saw that statement in them article too.


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Sharp Ears
May 21, 2018 at 14:42
Barnett’s twitter is tedious. She is a self promoter. Never ending plugs from her and all and sundry on her Marr Show stuff.
https://twitter.com/Emmabarnett?

She is also crude. Perhaps she thinks this is funny. She apparently had a baby earlier in the year.
https://twitter.com/Emmabarnett/status/964073475857149953

Her salary does not appear in the lists supplied by the BBC. She probably has her own company to which her salary is remitted. A lower tax rate than Income Tax.

She refers to her parents in this piece. https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/885196/emma-barnett-radio-5- live-presenter-interviewer


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Tony Broomfield
May 21, 2018 at 15:20
This isnt about Barnett


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Charles Bostock
May 21, 2018 at 15:50
Sharp Ears always goes for the man, never the substance.


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H Sickle
May 21, 2018 at 15:04
Calling Mr Philip Cross.!
Whoever has his contact details should please contact me….I need a Wikipedia page ASAP!
I can assure Mr Cross that I meet all the pre-requisites for his involvement in this project.


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Sharp Ears
May 21, 2018 at 15:20
O/T Nadira and Shahida are doing well.
£13,451 pledged of £15,000 goal
from 52 backers (I am one of them)
4 days to go

See https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/875400829/unwanted-the-plight-of- rohingya-muslims/posts/2185103?


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PB
May 21, 2018 at 15:23
He’s had at the Jimmy Saville page too …


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Oliver Kamm's cast-off foreskin
May 21, 2018 at 15:34
Mr. Murray, that is so dreadfully unfair. Her mother under pretence of keeping a bawdy-house, is a receiver of stolen goods.

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