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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Albert Pike - Three World Wars Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike#The_.22Letter.22_of_1871_to_M azzini



what do you think? some people act like this pike is satan

doing research ive found my great great grandfather was in wars with this guy and he was a mason as well ,but im not a mason

all this alex jones stuff he rants about i really dont know how much of it is true

i want to move to the south in usa where my ancestors lived i guess or do i?

i cant stand to listen to alex jones much because i have little time and nothing ever becomes of it

no prosecutor ever accuses those in power of crimes

its 45 years since jfk died

life goes on
same old nonsense

i dont know what to think really

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he wrote morals and dogma -its online somewhere

when i found that and read part 30 years ago i thought the book was pretty creepy i guess

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't trust what Wikipedia says about Pike.

There's no mention of his Luciferianism at all.....which he declares quite openly in 'Morals & Dogma.'
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luciferianism in morals and dogma? thats weird
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/luciferianism.html

they claim otherwise

whos lieing?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morals_and_Dogma_of_the_Ancient_and_Accep ted_Scottish_Rite_of_Freemasonry
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

Few quotes in the history of mankind have attracted the attention of so many as the quote from Pike's Morals & Dogma which reads:

"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"



Pike was freemasonry's top man. He passed on the baton to a guy called Giuseppe Mazzini, the man credited with creating the Mafia (the 'M' in Mafia stands for Mazzini)

....so at the top of Freemasonry we had degenerate Luciferian criminals whose primary concern was winning control over the whole world (see the rest of Pike's writings)


.....d'ya reckon this leopard has changed its spots?

Secret Luciferian power has to hide itself somewhere. Freemasonry is one such place. Perhaps there are others.

I believe Christ delivered the whole truth to humanity.....it was a revolutionary truth.....but he also directed our attention towards our biggest problems....

Satan is "Prince of this world"....(the leaders of the financial elite are active Luciferians....see also 'Bohemian Grove')

He drove the moneychangers from the temple....(the peoples of this world will never thrive until the power of money creation is taken back from the international bankers and placed where it belongs, with sovereign governments that serve the people that elected them rather than the bankers who now own them)

The Pharisees (Talmudists), scribes and lawyers ("O, ye brood of vipers, ye who strain at gnats and swallow camels.")
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

im a christian,

so what about that quote -hes just stating lucifer comes as an angel of light he blinds feeble selfish idiots!!because they are idiots!

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albert Pike and the Morning Star

"ALBERT PIKE (1809-91) was a lawyer, a poet, a prolific writer, a general in the army of the Confederate States of America, and a Freemason. He was a voracious reader, especially interested in the religions and philosophical systems of ancient cultures, which he saw as having shaped the thinking and codes of morality of people around the world. As a general, he commanded neither white nor black troops, but American Indians. He studied and respected their religious beliefs. But no matter how deeply he probed into other religions, nothing Pike learned ever shook his own faith as a devout Trinitarian Christian. Politically, he did not favor stronger central control, as is evidenced by his willingness to risk his life and fortune in a war that started not over the issue of slavery, but over the political concept of states' rights. In hindsight Pike may be judged to have been wrong politically, but at least he was willing to die for what he believed."

http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

the bible says satan comes as angel of light and christ said "take head that the light in you be not darkness"

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he was just a southern guy from boston who was on side of the south in the war and he didnt like the catholics much or that religion

the catholics did suck at times so maybe he had reasons to distrust them



alex jones really goes overboard in all his bs i think -hes a megalomaniac

maybe alex jones in a blasted Jesuit himself and works for the pope

he seems to think obama is going to be just fine or he doesnt care if obama is elected and i say that will be a disaster !!

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he read a bunch of weird books and was a general to the Indians in the civil war and because the Indians got carried away and scalped a few ,people hold a grudge and hate him probably
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

festival of snickers wrote:
"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

im a christian,

so what about that quote -hes just stating lucifer comes as an angel of light he blinds feeble selfish idiots!!because they are idiots!


No. You#ve got this wrong and so (understandably....because they wish this quote would go away) have masonicinfo.

Much of Pike's less 'esoteric' writings were about how elite Freemasons might gain control of all the world. It was Pike who said it would take 3 world wars before they could gain this total control.

Yes, Lucifer's light blinds feeble souls etc....but Pike was all for this not against it. His intent was clearly to harness the power of Lucifer to blind and control the masses. Lucifer was clearly his kind of God.

He handed over leadership of the organisation to the founder of the Mafia, for God's sake.

This man was NOT, repeat NOT a Christian in any recognisable shape or form.

Masonic info is trying to change the script. What is clear is that Pike's arrogance and contempt for humanity blinded him to the fact that his writings were not above the understanding of all the plebs and that some of his tome would come back to haunt masonry.

There is another occult aspect to Pike's revelations inasmuch that Occultists, Luciferians and the like state their aims and agenda openly ....they seem to believe that by doing so they somehow discharge or disempower the energy of those who would resist them.

(I think that's why they do it...I'm not totally sure though.)

See the Georgia Guidestones, Project for a New American Century etc)...

.....the information is usually out there somewhere.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why? because you read on the internet somewhere this is true??

some people just believe every damn thing they hear and its silly

true maybe some create wars for profit,true they may at least fund both sides , true there are incompetent power hungry leaders but you cant believe everything alex jones say

get real! prove he wrote that letter and where is it?

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.truthtrekker.com/GeorgiaGuidestones.html

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

maybe they mean some will live in balance and the rest wont

so bush is bad because hes giving people section 8 housing,foods stamps ,and college loans and hes trying to kill us off? its the alex jones libertarians that dont believe in any of these thing AT ALL AND ID BE HOMELESS!!THE JACK BLOODS OF THIS WORLD AND ALL THOSE ON HIS FORUM ARE NONCARING LIBERTARIANS!!

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-college1-2008may01,0,6144207.sto ry

alex jones and jack blood and joyce never call and say help out the poor i dont think

they just froth at the mouth

jack blood is the worst and jones has gone insane

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"just because you read it on the internet somewhere"
This is always used to imply that what you say is rubbish. This is lazy thinking. Read around the subject then make up your own mind. There's good and bad stuff on the internet obviously.

Freemasonry and christianity cannot go together, freemasonry rituals are largely death rituals; any involvement, even of your father/grandfather, can create huge barriers to christian faith. The fact that many Anglicans are involved in freemasonry is not proof that it is compatible - simply that Satan infiltrates the church.

If Pike *was* high up in freemasonry he is going to be lying about also following Jesus. Having said that I havent read up on him, so I reserve judgement
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im not a freemason and have no reason to become one

ive heard of books by ed decker who wrote about them

how bad they are, i dont know

people like alex jones all they do is complain but if his kind tried to run for public office he wouldnt get elected because he wants zero government involvement in social programs -hes a libertarian

just my opinion

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

festival of snickers wrote:
why? because you read on the internet somewhere this is true??

some people just believe every damn thing they hear and its silly

true maybe some create wars for profit,true they may at least fund both sides , true there are incompetent power hungry leaders but you cant believe everything alex jones say

get real! prove he wrote that letter and where is it?


Nobody (as far as I'm aware) denies that Pike wrote "Morals and Dogma". Nobody denies that the "Lucifer" quote is genuine......nor that he laid out the template (or stated his opinion) for achieving a 'New World Order' ..........i.e. that '3-world wars' would be required.
Nobody who has read the history doubts that Pike passed the torch on to his deputy Giuseppe Mazzini....

......nor the kind of evil bast*rd Mazzini (like Pike himself) was.

This has nothing to do with the internet other than that these ancient (ish) writings are now quickly and easily accessible to all in a way they never used to be even a decade ago.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobody denies it? sure people deny it -the freemasons do and i wonder if its true

but only one percent of the world or less would think about him

alex jones just said 15 minutes about that everything infiltrated anyway

the other mellow guy on there george humprey says "we need to talk to our politicians about the new world order" big deal who is actully running for office thats new?

none ,maybe ron ron paul who i dont like much and bob bowman democrat who i would have voted for i guess if i lived in florida

all talk and few new people running for office -its all so damn lame

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

festival of snickers wrote:
....nobody denies it? sure people deny it -the freemasons do and i wonder if its true



His own words are right there......in black and white.

The facts of his life and that he handed over to Mazzini are facts.

Facts!

What is there to deny?

Is London in England?

....you are defending, or propagating, absolute nonsense.
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Someone appears to be onto something here.

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During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now formally disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking Illuminati mason (33rd degree). Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head the Illuminati's American chapter, he clearly felt Pike was worthy of such a task. Mazzini's intention was that once a mason had made his way up the Freemason ladder and proven himself worthy, the highest ranking members would offer membership to the secret 'society within a society'.


About Albert Pike
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

""he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

so says that link?

but otherlinks say otherwise

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm

what do you guys think of abe lincoln? was he some big hero who freed the slaves to you ? i bet you hate the confedracy in the usa of 1862

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i need not worship any man but if people are deliberately making up lies then screw them

i hate liars

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

on balance of probability what is truth? you have to make your own mind up, I think it's beyond question that the elite of this world want some kind of unified system, and it won't be for the mass of humanity's benefit- Pike seems to fit the profile of one of these elitist 'gurus'. "Christopher" Pike was the name of the captain in the pilot episode of the original series of Star Trek.. rather an interesting name given that Star Trek is all about humanity coming together in one global/intergalactic society..was it hijacked by the one-world brigade?

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Albert Pike did not found the Ku Klux Klan
Claims have been made that Albert Pike was a high ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan. This is a claim that is impossible to either substantiate or disprove. Research into primary source material will reveal that there isn't any primary source material.
The only writings that would come close to qualifying as a primary source is a booklet written by one of the Klan founders, Captain John C. Lester, in 1884, comprising his reminiscences fifteen years after the fact. The only name noted in Lesterís book is one reference to "Gen. Forrest".
It was not until Dr. Walter L. Fleming republished Lesterís booklet in 1905 that a list of names of key Klansmen was included in a preface. In 1924, Ms. Susan L. Davis published her Authentic History, in which she contradicts a number of points made by Lester, denigrates Fleming for his superficial knowledge of the Klan and condemns Lesterís co-author, David L. Wilson, for suggesting the Klan had failed.
Any other book or article promoting Albe


http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/kkk.html

so say masons from bc canada

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Creation

no mention of him

forrest though was one of the main members who later rejected kkk


After the war, Forrest settled in Memphis, Tennessee, building a house on a bank of the Mississippi River. With slavery abolished, the former slave trader suffered a major financial setback. He later found employment at the Selma-based Marion & Memphis Railroad and eventually became the company president. He was not as successful in railroad promoting as in war, and under his direction the company went bankrupt.

Forrest became associated with the Ku Klux Klan movement, but he officially denied participation. Upon learning of the Klan and its goal to reinstate the "true" Southern leaders, Forrest supposedly remarked, "That's a good thing; that's a damn good thing. We can use that to keep the niggers in their place." (Historians disagree as to whether this quote is real.) Delegates at an 1867 KKK convention in Nashville named him the organization's honorary Grand Wizard, or leader-in-chief.

In an 1868 interview by a Cincinnati newspaper, Forrest claimed that the Klan had 550,000 members in the Southern states. He said he sympathized with them and could muster thousands of men himself.

In the interview Forrest described the Klan as "a protective political military organization...The members are sworn to recognize the government of the United States...Its objects originally were protection against Loyal Leagues and the Grand Army of the Republic..." Historians, however, have classified the Klan as a kind of guerrilla group, insurgents who refused to accept the power changes of defeat, and carried on the Civil War by other means.
Wikisource has the Text of an 1868 interview with Nathan Bedford Forrest.

The Klan used Forrest's name in recruiting. In 1869, Forrest, disagreeing with its increasingly violent tactics, ordered the Klan to disband. He stated it was "being perverted from its original honorable and patriotic purposes, becoming injurious instead of subservient to the public peace."

In the Congressional investigation on Klan activities in 1871,[18] the committee concluded that Forrest's involvement with the Klan was limited to trying to get it to disband. They determined there was no evidence that he had founded or led the Klan.

Nearly ruined as the result of th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest#Postwar_years

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http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/carter.html

as a side issue this book/movie was interesting

the guy was crazy and yet ok at times

the person who wrote the atricle possibly is a stupid leftist who goes overboard in figuring thingsout -carter was one eighth Cherokee i think

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the schmucks would probably have ahard time figuring out who is indigenous to europe-theyd probably settle on the Chinese being from there in the end

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the British museum denys they have the letter or if it was ever there?



and yet pikes writings do seem to have crazy stuff in it like they that reveal what they believe in will die i think they say

but it was the Victorian age and everyone was nuts back there in a way more so or maybe therye worse now anyway

n view of the fact that the secrets of Masonry are unknown to the bulk of Masons, the oaths of secrecy taken on the Bible are all the more startling and unjustifiable. The oath, for instance, of the first degree is as follows: "I, in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, . . . do hereby and hereon solemnly and sincerelyswear , that I will always hide, conceal and never reveal any part or parts, any point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry which may heretofore have beenknown by, shall now or may at any future time be communicated to me" etc. "These several points I solemnly swear to observe under no less penalty, than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and my body buried in the sands of the sea", "or the more efficient punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth". "So help me God", etc.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a guy was on alex jones saying people will tell us of all sorts of groups who are responsible for screwing us up so pretty soon we give up because it all seems ridiculous

people have blamed the jews ,the catholics , the masons the communists and all sorts of groups

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone here is in the business of muddying water.

I don't know what festival of snickers is up to but, whatever it is, it makes very little sense.

Allow me to suggest that casual visitors to this site who are interested in Albert Pike go to www.threeworldwars.com and read all about his freemasonry, his writings, his criminal associations and his devotion to Lucifer.
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