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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Gestapo Watch: Achtung, Deine Papieren, Bitte! UK ID Cards Reply with quote

Big Brother police to get 'war-time' power to demand ID in the street - on pain of sending you to jail...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091448/Big-Brother-police-war -time-power-demand-ID-street--pain-sending-jail.html

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: MOSSAD? Reply with quote

Why is that MOSSAD?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Wakeymedia, welcome to the forum.

Because if one is to use a reference to a tyrannical and evil state security agency when pointing out NWO oppression, I think it's more appropriate than the Zio/Jew-ish/Masonic/NWO (take your pick) inspired totem that the Germans are especially wicked.

See this thread:

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13478&sid=79f8070168c 8a8913ab1cd078cb5f4eb


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: MOSSAD Reply with quote

Nope, don't get it. Why is fascism in the UK the work of MOSSAD? The spooks seem to be scratching eachother's backs for sure but we have Mi5/6 and the English Ruling Class; and they're obviously having a field day trying to take us all back to feudalism. So as far as fascist policy and dirty tricks go elements in this country are more than capable of it and well-practised at it.

And "the German's" WERE bad when Adolph was in charge - hardly a bundle of laughs.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm maybe Terror Watch should suffice??
Police Watch?
Freedom Watch?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: MOSSAD Reply with quote

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Nope, don't get it. Why is fascism in the UK the work of MOSSAD? The spooks seem to be scratching eachother's backs for sure but we have Mi5/6 and the English Ruling Class; and they're obviously having a field day trying to take us all back to feudalism. So as far as fascist policy and dirty tricks go elements in this country are more than capable of it and well-practised at it.

And "the German's" WERE bad when Adolph was in charge - hardly a bundle of laughs.


America has been bad under successive governments hardly a bundle of laughs. luckily I found the merrit in talking to Americans throughout this latest ordeal and can report, Americans are not bad. They are no different from you or I!!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, don't get it.

I've just been reading that thread:
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13478&sid=79f8070168c 8a8913ab1cd078cb5f4eb

which might help.

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And "the German's" WERE bad when Adolph was in charge - hardly a bundle of laughs.


The Germans? Some might say that failing to distinguish a people and their leaders is "racist". Like the misguided fools who blame The Jews (all of them) for the evil deeds of their leaders.

I'm not accusing you of racism... and even if I were, I wouldn't judge you - most people have been effectively trained to think the Germans as a people are especially wicked.

Anyway, few here will appreciate much discussion of that. I'd rather this thread produced some ideas about effective resistance to this tyrannical measure. Now that would be a surprise. Oh well, hope springs eternal.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the thread title is very misleading.
The term "Gestapo" carries a general meme concerning what was an oppressive secret police force and carries general recognition of what one is trying to convey in the same way the term "thought police" is understood even by people who have never read 1984. It is also relevant as it implies state police forces - MOSSAD are a foreign intelligence agency, not a police force - they do not demand people produce their papers in the street. You may as well call the thread "ISI watch" - it'd make just as little sense.

Most people are very good at distinguishing between Germans and Nazis - just look at the storm Hitler's willing executioners generated. I have personally seen no evidence people are "trained" to see Germans as especially wicked. As far as I can see, most people seem to stereotype them primarily on their alleged inability to understand the concept of queuing, their car making skills and alleged habit of staking their claim of certain chairs via the use of towels.

Regarding resistance to the measure in question, I reckon the obvious best step is not to play ball with any of it. But how people can do that collectively is where it gets difficult as we are all isolated individuals concerned for ourselves. How that is overcome I really do not know - we are really way too passive in this country.
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yes, not sure about this Mossad Watch motif. What do others think?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's bs.

To say "Gestapo Watch" is to refer to a historical entity and comment that history is repeating itself. It's clear no one is claiming the Gestapo are actually behind anything mentioned - because they no longer exist.

Mossad still operate so it seems to suggest an actual agency are behind something they have no relation to - muddying the waters.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: MOSSAD Reply with quote

Yeah, it seems to buy into the theme, the motif, that "it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews!" and that Israel is to blame for . . . everything. So it does have an air of poisonous, lazy, distracting bs about it.

I asked why MOSSAD could be behind proposed repressive Police laws in the UK and there was no straightforward answer - or, to be accurate, no answer at all to the question itself.

Are MOSSAD up to no good? It seems the answer to that is a definite yes, but then Mi5, Mi6, CIA are up to no good too so to single out MOSSAD as being behind everything is simply inaccurate.

If Israel and MOSSAD are behind everything then where does that leave the Anglo/American Empire? An Empire which, unless I've been in a parallel universe, has been in place and fully functioning for a long time. What about that?

Is this "fighting Israel's war" or is it an Empire surrounding the Earth's few remaining vast Oil reserves in a time of energy depletion?

I don't see why bandying about unfounded allegations backed up by nothing should be acceptable.
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Well, it's all very confusing...and it's meant to be. We can place the blame on this label or that label, but to assume it is any particular nationality, race, religion, intelligence agency is time wasted. One thing we do need to remember is that we must follow the money.

In my attempt to understand the source of power and it's top-down influence towards more power control and consolidation I now feel that the World's elite bankers (who make money from nothing) are being extremely devisive in utilising effective intelligence services and established sovereignties/states to confuse us into thinking that the source of decision-making and allegiances originate from a particular country, race, creed, etc. This is where we have been going wrong all along. Make no mistake, if the elite of the elite bankers were smart enough to convince the population into placing trust into paper money that is worth nothing (see
www.hackcanada.com/canadian/freedom/mary_croft.pdf then they are smart enough to protect their intellectual property and development into world power and total domination by providing systems which fool us into thinking there is specific other influences (Jews,Zionisits etc) changing the world. However, the NWO (as most already know) is just the organisational infrastructure helping to move the world into greater compartmentalisation for the sake of administrative manageability...and of course greater consolidation.
Let the focus be on getting to the real source of the power-the Bank of England, Federal Reserve owned by the private coterie of the House of Rothschild, Windsor, and Rockefeller et al.

As Aaron Russo tried to tell us after his conversation with Nicholas Rockefeller, their aim is to chip us...the elite power-mad bankers, so the production of an ID card is just their step towards the chip and total control.
We can begin to disable the route cause of the problem by somehow finding a weakness in the illegal system of economic slavery they have enforced on us and once that weakness is found we have to capitalize on it. They are not untouchable, and neither is their machine.

Go figure!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yes, not sure about this Mossad Watch motif. What do others think?


I take that as hint that you are thinking of outlawing the term "Mossad Watch". How many times have you titled threads "Gestapo Watch"? A dozen? Two dozen? The front page alone had three of these a few days ago. If you add "Mossad Watch" to the verboten list, surely you would have to ban "Gestapo Watch" also, or expose astounding hypocrisy.

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To say "Gestapo Watch" is to refer to a historical entity and comment that history is repeating itself.

In my view, it is to parrot an externally imposed meme, but that's by the by. To make reference to the Gestapo, in fact the reason people do, is because in their view they were the epitome of an evil wicked security force. In my view the MOSSAD are doing as much or more evil than the Gestapo, and deserve that accolade every bit as much. Futhermore they are doing it NOW, as opposed to 60+ years ago..

That's my view, and that's why I prefer to use that example. You don't have to agree.


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It's clear no one is claiming the Gestapo are actually behind anything mentioned - because they no longer exist.

It's clear I'm not claiming MOSSAD are the agency directly behind anything mentioned, just using them as a reference, to convey the idea of an oppressive security force. In Tony's mind that idea is best represented by Gestapo. For me, it's MOSSAD.


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Mossad still operate so it seems to suggest an actual agency are behind something they have no relation to - muddying the waters.

So I prefer to cite an existing agency as representative of the NWO jackboot, you prefer to use the example of a non-existent agency, but I'm the one who is muddying the waters? Extraordinary.


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Yeah, it seems to buy into the theme, the motif, that "it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews!"

Does it now? So presumably "Gestapo Watch" buys into the theme, the motif, that "it's the Germans! it's the Germans! it's the Germans! it's the Germans!". Is that OK with you?


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and that Israel is to blame for . . . everything. So it does have an air of poisonous, lazy, distracting bs about it.

What nonsense. Poisonous? In as much as to use an agency as an example of something very bad is to attack it and the people in it, why is it "poisonous" to use MOSSAD as the prime example, but not the Gestapo? Between the two examples we're talking about, the only material difference is that the Gestapo no longer exist, so can't put their side of the story. In that respect, peripheral though it may be, one could even argue that it's less honourable, more "poisonous", to attack them. Lazy? I would say that parroting the example that we are trained to use is lazy. I've gone to the trouble of thinking of my own example. Distracting?

Distracting?

My example is of an existent entity doing evil in the world NOW. You want (I think) to dictate that everyone uses your chosen example - of a NON-existent entity that did comparable evil over half a century ago. Yet it's me wot's doing the distracting here is it?

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I asked why MOSSAD could be behind proposed repressive Police laws in the UK and there was no straightforward answer - or, to be accurate, no answer at all to the question itself.



I could hardly explain why I was doing something I wasn't doing. I might as well ask why the Gestapo could be behind any of the things described in the threads titled "Gestapo Watch...".

All 68 of them. LMFAO.

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Are MOSSAD up to no good? It seems the answer to that is a definite yes, but then Mi5, Mi6, CIA are up to no good too so to single out MOSSAD as being behind everything is simply inaccurate.


Do you think people won't notice when you make up things like that? What kind of idiot would say "Mossad are behind everything"? I don't think you even read the other post.


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...then where does that leave the Anglo/American Empire? An Empire which, unless I've been in a parallel universe, has been in place and fully functioning for a long time. What about that?


What about it? Feel free to tag your posts "CIA watch", "FBI watch" or whatever if you think those agencies are most characteristic of the the qualities you ascribe to an oppressive security force.

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Is this "fighting Israel's war" or is it an Empire surrounding the Earth's few remaining vast Oil reserves in a time of energy depletion?

Since you offered two choices, the former, in my view. I'm agnostic leaning towards heretic re Peak Oil (official story of), btw.


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I don't see why bandying about unfounded allegations backed up by nothing should be acceptable.

Well I didn't did I? If you care to present some contorted argument that I did, are you ready to compare it to the 68 Gestapo Watch threads?



Does anyone actually have any ideas about how to resist the measure?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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their aim is to chip us...the elite power-mad bankers, so the production of an ID card is just their step towards the chip and total control


I know that like I know the sun rises in the morning. 911 of itself matters nothing compared to what "they" have planned for us. So, to get back on topic, what do you and others think about this? Should we make the obvious connections between ID and forcibly implanted chips, or shy away from that like the N02ID organisation says we should? No-one has challenged my claim that they will have a kill function. If you were persuaded of that, would you tell people, or worry that it might "put people off" or "damage the movement" (titter). Maybe you think it would scare the sh*t out of people. In that case would it make them more receptive to your message? If it did, is that ok? Just trying to get a discussion about WHAT TO ACTUALLY DO.

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Black market chip removal its in all the movies Laughing
then what will they do?
but more seriously we should resist now rather than wait for a hero to save us who may not come Wink

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Should we make the obvious connections between ID and forcibly implanted chips, or shy away from that like the N02ID organisation says we should? No-one has challenged my claim that they will have a kill function.


Yes, we should definitely see that there is a connection between ID & veri chips. To not see it is folly. If NO2ID deny this then is there something they know that we don't? I think it is absolutely paramount that assuming the worst case scenario should be taken seriously as we are all too aware of the damage already done to society as they march ever forward with their NWO. E.G "everyone is a suspect terrorist" (CCTV presence) and now British born citizens must provide proof of Birth Certificate and/or passport to prove their nationality when they apply for a job.

I've never heard anything about the 'kill function" simplesimon, but it sounds awful. Twisted Evil What would the scenario be then...the kill function is initiated if we protest or fail to co-operate with the system!

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Totally agreed Disco! Time is of the essence.

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Amen to that!

Resistance starts with not believing the lies, bs and insults to our intelligence, quite where it ends I'm not entirely sure.

I'm a pacifist so I don't believe in armed struggle, hopefully it won't be necessary.

Nevertheless, I do not condemn those who do.

I think Dr Naseem's Jihad Of Peace video puts it very well.



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Totally agreed Disco! Time is of the essence.

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In a way you've argued yourself out of town here simon.

Claiming that all this technology is Mossad's work without any evidence and saying that this is somehow a Jewish programme with no evidence actually halts any debate on the technology itself.

The Digital Angel, for example, was developed at BT's Martlesham labopratory near Cambridge. Is that an office of Mossad? Of course not.



Your racist tendencies taint everything you say. Not a single Jew in the world had a choice as to whether they were born Jewish or not and if some bad people are Jews that doesn't reflect on all Jews does it?

Zionism is another kettle of fish.

Anyway see where you've brought is to? Bogged down with your racist baggage. So cut it out eh?



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Should we make the obvious connections between ID and forcibly implanted chips, or shy away from that like the N02ID organisation says we should? No-one has challenged my claim that they will have a kill function. If you were persuaded of that, would you tell people, or worry that it might "put people off" or "damage the movement" (titter). Maybe you think it would scare the sh*t out of people.

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Should we make the obvious connections between ID and forcibly implanted chips, or shy away from that like the N02ID organisation says we should? No-one has challenged my claim that they will have a kill function.


Well if you imagine a situation whereby everyone had a mandatory ID card, then there is a logic in thinking this could then turn into an implantable chip - it couldn't be lost or stolen. But if ID cards are prevented from happening in the first place, this is unlikely to occur as it is unlikely the populace would accept suddenly being chipped without the 'softening' process of being used to carrying a card (and suffering the inconvenience of losing them etc) for some years. Though I think the idea of implantable chips is not implausible in the long term, it is currently a bit 'sci-fi' and since no-one is currently seriously suggesting them as universal ID at this time, it is unlikely to be more convincing going on about them than just giving the multitude of reasons why ID cards - which are actually happening - are a really f*cking bad idea - arguing against something that I agree may well happen in the future is easily dismissed as fanciful speculation as opposed to something which is tangible reality right now.
This "kill function" just sounds made up - it's a speculative supposed feature of something that doesn't yet exist in the sense described. You may as well say your bank account could just be switched off now or something - it's exactly the same thing. There is no intrinsic feature of any chip that could not just as easily be implemented now if that was so desired. Saying "and our chips will have a kill function" because Aaron Russo said in an interview that's what he was told or whatever is not going to win any current argument about ID cards.

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Since it's abundantly clear from your posting history "they" means to you "the Jews" I don't know why you are so vague.

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In my view, it is to parrot an externally imposed meme, but that's by the by. To make reference to the Gestapo, in fact the reason people do, is because in their view they were the epitome of an evil wicked security force. In my view the MOSSAD are doing as much or more evil than the Gestapo, and deserve that accolade every bit as much. Futhermore they are doing it NOW, as opposed to 60+ years ago..

That's my view, and that's why I prefer to use that example. You don't have to agree.


How it's "externally imposed" I don't know.
Yet you ignore the point that by referring to a current agency it leads the reader to assume that's what it's about. Stefan is right: If I saw a thread entitled "MI5 watch" I would naturally assume it was about MI5 in some way. If it was entitled "Stasi watch" or "Cheka watch", I would assume it was making a point by comparing something to the Stasi or Cheka which I have a certain, comparable to Gestapo - though presumably "externally imposed" - image of. Why you can't grasp why people think you're muddying the waters by leading them to believe you're posting something about MOSSAD is anyone's guess.
And MOSSAD are not an "oppressive security force", they're an intelligence agency. You'd have been better off saying "IDF watch" if you want to stick to your misleading thread titles.

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he Gestapo no longer exist, so can't put their side of the story In that respect, peripheral though it may be, one could even argue that it's less honourable, more "poisonous", to attack them.


Yeah - I'm sure they were all really just misunderstood guys doing a tough job and getting results on the mean streets of Nazi Germany, trying to earn an honest cop's wage. I bet it was really just like the bill with leather coats. You really are priceless.
Funnily enough, though I do realise history isn't your strong point, we probably know a damn sight more about the Gestapo than we do about MOSSAD or any currently functioning intelligence agency.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it couldn't be lost or stolen.


Bet you I can find a scalpel that says it does Wink

On another note I don't think anyone is saying Jews? Maybe you just want to believe that Tony and Dogsmilk? I could be wrong but why panda or bite if that is the desired effect?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: MOSSAD Reply with quote

Its seems that there is a general consensus that simplesimon can not back up what he says or implies. So why are we wasting time now (having ascertained that) on this obvious retard?

I personally am sick to the Nth degree of the "it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews!" line.

If . . . IF, for hypothetical purposes . . . "the Jews" are behind everything; every war, every false-flag attack, every wrong, every . . . everything . . . that the bulk of Humanity experience then the bulk of Humanity deserve everything they get for being too stupid to notice. How about taking responsibility as a culture? That's not (before the forces of f**kinstupidity jump on it) to lay "blame" on "our" doorstep but simply an empirical look at things. Who, exactly, is responsible for your existence? Could it be, shock-horror, yourself?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On another note I don't think anyone is saying Jews?


He talks about them a lot.
See e.g.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No?

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I think it's more appropriate than the Zio/Jew-ish/Masonic/NWO (take your pick) inspired totem that the Germans are especially wicked.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In a way you've argued yourself out of town here simon.


Just flagging the NWO jackboot Tony, same as you.

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Claiming that all this technology is Mossad's work without any evidence

I simply did not claim that. Show me where I did, and I'll abandon the thread.

You know full well that any case made that I did would be so contorted as to be ridiculous, and furthermore would apply equally to "Gestapo Watch". Times 68.

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and saying that this is somehow a Jewish programme

I simply did not claim that. Show me where I did, and I'll abandon the thread.

This does not qualify:
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...Zio/Jew-ish/Masonic/NWO (take your pick) inspired totem that the Germans are especially wicked.


I listed x / y / z to separate the question of who is doing it from what is being done. You see, I think that "they", whoever they are, essentially tell us all what to think and believe. That's called a generalisation. If you read any 1st year degree text on "Mass Communication", "Role of Media in Society" or the like, you will likely read the same thing, albeit stated in a different way.


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with no evidence actually halts any debate on the technology itself.

I didn't go off topic, others did. I just used one motif for an evil security force, you prefer another.


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Your racist tendencies taint everything you say.


"Racism" would probably make my top ten of things I don't like, so I'm sorry to hear you think I have "racist tendencies". I've only been tempted to respond to that kind of baiting once, on this thread:

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=15226&sid=07344bce86b 26e82c9ab359eb06675c3
and I don't really want to add to that, except to say that "anti-racism" would probably be higher up my list these days.

Please don't think I'm ducking anything. If anyone ('cept dogspittle) thinks I'm racist, by all means quiz me on my views. I don't think the thread would be very popular though, and I think it would be difficult to have a sincere and meaningful discussion of that topic on this forum, (like your next question) which is why I won't even bother to press you to give an example. But feel free if you want to prolong this.


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Not a single Jew in the world had a choice as to whether they were born Jewish or not

Well it seems to me that whether a Jew is the follower of a religion or member of a race is a moveable feast. I'd like to have a meaningul discussion about that on a separate thread, but see above.

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if some bad people are Jews that doesn't reflect on all Jews does it?

Though apparently straightforward, that's a finely finessed question. Let's try to take the heat out of it shall we?. But first, let me answer the question you nearly asked. "If some bad people are Jews, should one bear a prejudicial hostility towards all Jews".

Of course not. That wouldn't make sense. Not to me anyway. There are good and bad in all groups. One of the very few tenets that is so obvious it rarely needs stating. I would have hoped (LMFAO) that in any serious discussion forum, recognition of this simple truth (and of others' recognition) was mutually acknowledged as a prerequisite of presumed good will and baseline intelligence..

But some people like to scream "hate speech, hate speech!" to prevent serious discussion, distract from simple truths, and resort to ad-homs to drive out good will.


To address your carefully worded question carefully:

If Alice were to say "Bloody Americans - on a killing spree as they try to take over the world" I daresay few would bat an eyelid. Bob might say "Some of the finest people I know are American - it's their *'kin leaders 'innit?" Charlie pipes in, "But the fat brain dead Yanks voted for the evil b'stard". Dave might add "The Americans only know what their lying corporate media tell them, don't blame every American". Elaine: "Yeah - but don't you think Americans are particularly dumbed down? What does that say about them?"

Blah blah blah. Worth noting that up to this point, the PC thought police wouldn't object. Simon would say "What makes you think Bush is in control?". Anyway. My point is that there is plenty of debate about the degree to which the plebs in any group (Americans, Tea Cosy Knitters, Brits, Zionists, Jesuits, Francophones, Jews, Masons, Lizards, Green Party, Tooting Popular Front, Black power groups, Labour party, Republicans, it matters not) are responsible for the deeds of their leaders.

In the case of "Americans" I would be inclined to say that the mass mind control directed at them as a group is so pervasive that ordinary Americans can hardly be said to bear any responsibility for their leaders at all. However, Elaine has a point. Whether you blame Bush or the people who voted for him, (election rigging aside) it can safely be said that what America does in the world REFLECTS something about Americans.

In the case of "Jews" I would be inclined to say that the mass mind control directed at them as a group is so pervasive that ordinary Jews can hardly be said to bear any responsibility for their leaders at all. I don't know how they choose their leaders, but it can safely be said that what Judea does in the world REFLECTS something about Jews.

So, everyone comfortable so far, I hope.

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if some bad people are Jews that doesn't reflect on all Jews does it?


My answer to your question is this. The LEADERS of any group, and therefore any good or bad done by the leaders in their name, does very much "reflect" on the plebs of that group.

I would have to say that in my example, the "reflection" is rather more favourable to Jews as a group than Americans, for example. The mass mind control directed at both groups has almost everything in common, but there's one crucial difference when it comes to the Jews. The mass mind control directed at them (and the rest of us) makes them think the goy want to kill them, just because they're Jews. Given that, it is to their credit that more of them don't whine about their "eternal persecution", "the oldest hatred", and all that tosh.

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Anyway see where you've brought is to? Bogged down with your racist baggage. So cut it out eh?

I deny the unsubstantiated charge of racism. As far as the politics of "racism" go Tony, I've been everywhere you've been, taken every principled stand you have, I would venture a bit more, and got the T-shirts. I understand that I've put you in a difficult position, but if you choose to run this forum as a publication rather than a forum, you have to accept the discomfort that goes with being "Editor".

Cut it out? Here's a proposal for you. If you allow this thread and title to stand, (thank you for doing so up to now) I'll abandon it (except to defend charges against me) and agree to limit tagging my posts "Mossad Watch" to one for each three, oh go on then FIVE of those tagged "Gestapo Watch", averaged over 12 months, overdraft allowed, starting now.

Or if you prefer, we could have a serious debate about why "Gestapo Watch good", "Mossad watch bad."


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Its seems that there is a general consensus that simplesimon can not back up what he says or implies. So why are we wasting time now (having ascertained that) on this obvious retard?


What s**t, you Bolshy plonker.

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I personally am sick to the Nth degree of the "it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews! it's the Jews!" line.

Yet you spastically chant this mantra, and dishonestly seek to ascribe this three word summary of the world to me? Seems to me that you revel in your sickness.

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If . . . IF, for hypothetical purposes . . . "the Jews" are behind everything; every war, every false-flag attack, every wrong, every . . . everything . . . that the bulk of Humanity experience


Who said that?

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then the bulk of Humanity deserve everything they get for being too stupid to notice.

I sort of agree your hypothetical point, but what a disgusting evil thing to say. I think I'm approaching my "Deborah Lipstadt" moment with you Wakey, so if you want me to engage with you, pull yourself together ok?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My answer to your question is this. The LEADERS of any group, and therefore any good or bad done by the leaders in their name, does very much "reflect" on the plebs of that group.


Could you possibly explain how you define "Jewish leaders" - it seems to me as amorphous as "Christian leaders" or "Muslim leaders". I personally can't see that there is any leadership that encompasses Jews as a whole any more than there is a leadership that encompasses Christians as a whole. Apart from God of course.

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You know full well that any case made that I did would be so contorted as to be ridiculous, and furthermore would apply equally to "Gestapo Watch". Times 68.


Well it's already been explained to you and it's bizarre you can't grasp what is a very simple concept.
As I said on another thread, if I started a thread entitled "MI5 watch" people would naturally assume I had something to say about MI5. Saying "Oh MI5 are a tyrannical and evil state security agency so I'm just pointing out NWO oppression" as I start a thread about Palestinian homes being bulldozed or something is just nonsensical. In fact we may as well all just pick things we consider connected to "NWO oppression" and start threads with them in the title. Someone might start a thread called "EU watch" about Mumbai. Someone might start a thread called "Common Purpose watch" about the police beating someone up. And that would make the forum so perspicuous wouldn't it?

The laugh of it is, you're the one inventing convoluted explanations to justify your wish to blame everything on the Jews. I mean, do you think that's not obvious or something?

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If anyone ('cept dogspittle)


And exactly why is that Simon?
Still, makes no difference to me - I'll still comment on what you say as I fancy and won't have to bother writing long replies going through swathes of gobbledygook like I used to when you replied directly to me. Thanks for your consideration - I only have a certain level of patience when it comes to drivel.

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hough apparently straightforward, that's a finely finessed question. Let's try to take the heat out of it shall we?. But first, let me answer the question you nearly asked. "If some bad people are Jews, should one bear a prejudicial hostility towards all Jews".

Of course not. That wouldn't make sense. Not to me anyway. There are good and bad in all groups. One of the very few tenets that is so obvious it rarely needs stating. I would have hoped (LMFAO) that in any serious discussion forum, recognition of this simple truth (and of others' recognition) was mutually acknowledged as a prerequisite of presumed good will and baseline intelligence..


Yet on the thread I've linked to above you think it's somehow meaningful to fire out quotes of Jews saying bad things totally devoid of context and quite clearly just quotes you've found on the net and aren't familiar with beyond the single quote. You even quoted at least one which is known to be fabricated and all you needed to do was do a simple google search to find this out. Crikey, you even quoted a novel. I'm sorry but it says to me you are either determined to find negative things to say about Jews or you're a bit thick.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Alice were to say "Bloody Americans - on a killing spree as they try to take over the world" I daresay few would bat an eyelid. Bob might say "Some of the finest people I know are American - it's their *'kin leaders 'innit?" Charlie pipes in, "But the fat brain dead Yanks voted for the evil b'stard". Dave might add "The Americans only know what their lying corporate media tell them, don't blame every American". Elaine: "Yeah - but don't you think Americans are particularly dumbed down? What does that say about them?"

Blah blah blah. Worth noting that up to this point, the PC thought police wouldn't object. Simon would say "What makes you think Bush is in control?". Anyway. My point is that there is plenty of debate about the degree to which the plebs in any group (Americans, Tea Cosy Knitters, Brits, Zionists, Jesuits, Francophones, Jews, Masons, Lizards, Green Party, Tooting Popular Front, Black power groups, Labour party, Republicans, it matters not) are responsible for the deeds of their leaders.

In the case of "Americans" I would be inclined to say that the mass mind control directed at them as a group is so pervasive that ordinary Americans can hardly be said to bear any responsibility for their leaders at all. However, Elaine has a point. Whether you blame Bush or the people who voted for him, (election rigging aside) it can safely be said that what America does in the world REFLECTS something about Americans.


If I may suggest, you might consider reconstructing this argument using "bloody Muslims" or "bloody Christians" or "bloody Hindus" or something as that would perhaps be a more appropriate comparison.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've never heard anything about the 'kill function" simplesimon, but it sounds awful.



I've only ever said that I figured this out for myself, as here:

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13151&highlight=chip+ kill+function&sid=f3655c6b306b5f4774d4387a35d59db6

If some shill drone were to say "you made that up", I'd say "yes... and?"

If I can think of it, I'm damn sure "they" can.

tick means
tick motive
tick opportunity

The first to ask "where's the evidence" gets docile dullard of the year award.


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What would the scenario be then...the kill function is initiated if we protest or fail to co-operate with the system!

If you control the system of which the rape implants are integral, you can pretty much dictate any scenario the devil could dream up, no?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If some shill drone were to say "you made that up", I'd say "yes... and?"

If I can think of it, I'm damn sure "they" can.

tick means
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The first to ask "where's the evidence" gets docile dullard of the year award.



Oh sorry, I kind of assumed you'd derived that notion from Aaron Russo or something. Now I don't even know exactly what you mean by 'kill function". But obviously anything you can think of they can think of so anything you imagine is destined to become reality, right? Only dullards don't make stuff up and go round saying it's definitely going to happen. And only a drooling imbecile would go on to expect some kind of explanation of what a "kill function" actually is and how exactly it works.
Gaw, now I'm kicking myself for being one of those cretins who likes to see evidence for things when all along I should have just been making things up and deciding they're true!

In the meantime, let's distract people from the still winnable stuggle against ID cards by directing our efforts against hypothetical implants with undefined "kill functions" some time in the future - it'll make the campaign against ID cards look so much more credible.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it couldn't be lost or stolen.


Bet you I can find a scalpel that says it does


You don't think the fiends who want to rape you with the chip would think of anti-tamper measures?

Interesting to see the advocates' talking points ("push the benefits") crop up.

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