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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:59 am    Post subject: Sun 01 Nov 2015: Sinai 224 dead downed Russian A321 #7K9268 Reply with quote

Is this just news or sinister news? Remembering the sensitivities of the Blood Moon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_moon_prophecy) and how Israeli action is linked to the end of Jewish holidays (which are linked to Moon Events). Just how important (and how premeditated) is this aircraft crash?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34691910

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Sinai plane crash: Russian aircraft 'broke up in mid air'

An investigation is under way after a Russian airliner crashed in Sinai, killing all 224 people on board.

Egypt's prime minister said a technical fault was the most likely cause, dismissing claims from Islamic State militants that they were responsible.

Russia is observing a day of mourning after its worst air disaster
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to be a difference of opinion between British Airways managers and pilots as to whether Sinai is safe to fly over.
Remember BA was one of the airlines that refused to fly over Ukraine at the time of the MH17 crash in July 2014


British pilots were warned to stop low flying over Egypt THREE MONTHS ago due to fears of anti-aircraft missile attacks
Pilots were warned on September 9 to avoid flying low over the crash zone
British aircraft warned not fly below 25,000 feet in a 14,000 square mile area
US aircraft ordered against dropping below 26,000 feet in the danger zone
Pilots warned they face threats from 'dedicated anti-aviation weaponry'
By DARREN BOYLE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 10:53, 1 November 2015 | UPDATED: 16:13, 1 November 2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298498/Burn-destroy-Pressure- builds-Blair-Chilcot-report-s-revealed-ministers-told-destroy-key-evid ence-eve-conflict-showed-Iraq-War-ILLEGAL.html

British pilots were warned three months ago against flying at a low level in Egyptian airspace in northern Sinai because of the threat from 'dedicated anti-aviation weaponry'.

The Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) warning was issued on September 9 at 8.50am and will remain in force until December 12 when the situation will be reviewed.

According to the warning, aircraft are told not to descend below 25,000 feet in a 14,000 square mile of northern Sinai when flying into Sharm el-Sheikh.



Egypt plane crash: BA to continue flying over Sinai despite disaster
Emirates, Lufthansa and Air France say they have stopped flying over peninsula while cause of disaster still unknown

Gwyn Topham Transport correspondent
Sunday 1 November 2015 13.22 GMT Last modified on Sunday 1 November 2015 16.07 GMT

British Airways and easyJet have said they will continue to fly over the Sinai peninsula, despite major Middle Eastern and European airlines announcing they will avoid the area of Egyptian airspace where a Russian plane came down on Saturday.

The biggest Gulf airline, Emirates, and its subsidiary flydubai, as well as Air Arabia, said on Sunday that they were rerouting flights around the peninsula, where a Russian Metrojet flight crashed soon after takeoff from Sharm el-Sheikh, killing all 224 people on board.

Lufthansa and Air-France-KLM have also decided to stop flying over the peninsula while the risks were assessed after an Islamic militant group claimed to have shot the plane down - a claim that Moscow has so far dismissed.

EasyJet said it would continue to fly holidaymakers to Sharm el-Sheikh - a popular winter sun destination on the southern tip of Sinai, as planned, but that it would actively review the safety of flights to Egypt.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/01/british-airways-contin ue-flying-over-sinai-despite-crash

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems a huge coincidence given Russia recent Syrian intervention and the MH17 Ukraine plane crash. Some other nations spooks flexing their technological cyber muscle.


Who benefits? Only a foolish group would claim responsibility and incur the wrath of the Russian bear.

Can big planes just break up in the air? If all engines packed in would the descending plane break up?

ISIS say they have video proof they shot it down....This has been suggested very unlikley.

Egyptian President may be deliberately staying off the intended script if foul play has taken place to prevent a massive backlash.

If foul play---My first thoughts centred around the departure location and the "expendability" of a plane load of russian tourists---avoiding potential repercussions from several major nations.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This stinks.

1 Quick rush to judgement is normally "pilot error" while this was a "technical fault"

2 Complete disintegration of plane in flight, no mayday, no pilot message

3 Over Egypt, that well known ally of Israel and the NWO

4 And so soon after Russia begins to seriously dent the NWO's operations in Syria

5 The plane was cruising at 30,000 feet, well above the warning zone for British and US pilots

6 Finally, according to Jim Stone, Israeli has stated it had intelligence assets on the ground in the area (reminiscent of the dancing Israeli's on 9/11?)

Of course, without full disclosure of the facts (not the usual MSM BS), it is impossible to know, but my money is on Israel/Israel ally deliberate shoot down.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite sure about Israeli motives to do that--without trying to false flag it to get Russia to bomb the hell out of IS muslims--or any muslims that may be a threat to them.
Of course --may be tit for tat games going on in the dark world of spooks.

I would be looking at security at airport--Talks now about bomb. This could have been planted at airport rather than a Russian suicide bomber.

Are we just going to get a similar verdict as MH17 "we know how but not who"

I see infowars concentrating on an older story of electronic warfare between Israel and Russia. They also twist the "external influence" to mean "a force acting from the outside in". A bomb inside is also an external influence (third party)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The photo of the man and his child on plane steps which was posted online by his wife raises the question who took the photo? If his wife took it was she on the plane and killed and how did she upload it. (can that be done before take off?)
Presuming whoever took the photo wasn't onboard then shows how lax security is if you can walk up to a plane without a ticket.

Also the one of the little baby looking out the window at the plane supposedly before departure. I presume smart phones etc can text and post images before they boarded flight.

Seems media using the images like the drowned refugee boy to illicit great emotion---garner further world support to bomb the hell out of ISIS. .

If I had lost a loved one in such tragic circumstances the last thing I would want to be doing is sending my loved ones photos to the media so quickly.

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Russian plane crash mystery deepens as 'elements' NOT part of the jet discovered among wreckage'
10:42, 3 NOV 2015
BY ALEX WELLMAN
The findings have been taken to expert investigators who will examine them to determine if they could be part of a bomb
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-plane-crash-mystery-de epens-6757156?

Mystery "elements" not part of the tragic Russian Metrojet plane have been discovered among the wreckage at the crash site.

The startling discovery was revealed today with a source saying investigators scouring the 20km square crash site had found "elements that were not part of the plane" among the twisted metal.

The pieces have been sent off to experts for immediate analysis amid growing concern that the plane and it's 224 crew and passengers were blown up by a bomb on board.

Although unclear what the pieces are, many think the decision to whisk the items away for immediate examination points to the theory that the plane was brought down by explosives.

BarcroftRescue workers search at the crash site of the Russian passenger airplaneShock: The mystery elements were discovered among the debris of the crash
BarcroftRussian investigators walks near wreckageProbe: The elements are now being sent to specialists to determine what they are
So far investigators have removed around 100 pieces of debris from the crash site.

Possessions of those on board have also been rounded up and piled up close to where the plane came down.

Read more: What do we know so far about the tragedy in Egypt?
The news comes after a source at US intelligence revealed they had reviewed satellite imagery from the region at the time when the passenger jet came down, and discovered a 'bomb-like heat flash'.

BarcroftThe site where a Russian aircraft crashedInvestigation: Around 100 pieces of debris have been removed from the crash site so far
BarcroftRussian investigators walks near wreckageShock: Russian investigators are trying to find out what happened when the plane broke up
According to the analysts, the images they picked up completely rule out the possibility of a surface to air missile attack - but back up claims a bomb on board flight 9268 was exploded.

Speaking to the American news network NBC, the official said: "The speculation that this plane was brought down by a missile is off the table."

The unnamed official said the satellite would have been able to pick up any heat trail from a missile, but there simply was none.



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Instead, the satellite picked up a "flash or explosion" that occurred over the Sinai at the exact time the plane went down.

The official said "the plane disintegrated at a very high altitude," when "there was an explosion of some kind."

It has also been revealed this morning that recordings from inside the jet just moments before it lost contact showed there was an emergency - but crew did not have time to respond.

BarcroftRussian investigators walks near wreckageBurned: The plane is thought to have split in two while in midair
BarcroftRussian investigators walks near wreckageDevastation: The crash site spreads out across 25km squared
When quizzed about the possibility of the crash being a terror attack by Islamist fundamentalists, the Kremlin said it would be inappropriate to link the crash to its current activities in Syria.

In Russia, a deputy governor of St Petersburg, where most of the passengers were from, said the first nine bodies flown back to the city have been identified.

Russian news agencies on Tuesday quoted Igor Albin as saying that the families had identified the bodies.

Mr Albin said identification of all of the victims could take several weeks.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israeli motives pretty clear
They've wanted Syria since Golan Heights were stolen in 1967 Six Day War
Russia Israel is now the key ME conflict


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Not quite sure about Israeli motives to do that--without trying to false flag it to get Russia to bomb the hell out of IS muslims--or any muslims that may be a threat to them.
Of course --may be tit for tat games going on in the dark world of spooks.

I would be looking at security at airport--Talks now about bomb. This could have been planted at airport rather than a Russian suicide bomber.

Are we just going to get a similar verdict as MH17 "we know how but not who"

I see infowars concentrating on an older story of electronic warfare between Israel and Russia. They also twist the "external influence" to mean "a force acting from the outside in". A bomb inside is also an external influence (third party)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well theres going to be an awful lot of things in the hold that were not part of the plane--passenger luggage, cargo?, trade samples, etc etc

IMO would have to be something significant to be spotted amongst all that tangled wreckage and by someone with vast knowledge of what goes into a plane.

Lets see--we haven't had a miraculous terrorist passport being found yet !

I remember one of the proposals in the Northwoods document was to "allow" the media (via amayday call) of a western hemisphere to first announce the "attack on their plane instead of the US having to "sell" the incident

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'Uncharacteristic sounds' heard on the cockpit voice recorder just before plane broke up.
Russian plane crash: Was there an explosion?
CNN-17 hours ago
... the plane's cockpit voice recorder had captured uncharacteristic sounds the moment before the flight
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/03/africa/russian-plane-crash-egypt-sin ai/

Satellite 'heat flash'
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-russia-plane-crash-2 0151103-story.html

So, ISIS are repeatedly claiming this Russian airliner as their kill.

So where did ISIS get their bomb or missile?
The A321 was brought down very close to Israel in Sinai 'no man's land', easily reachable by US made Israeli SAMs.
We know Saudi Arabia has threatened to send long range SAMs (Surface to Air Missiles) to Islamist rebels in Syria too...

The plot thickens.
Whimpering opening shots of world war three?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it amazing how 'accidents' or 'terrorist attacks' manage to down Russian and Malaysian planes, but seem to leave US, UK, French & Israeli planes alone?

Very selective 'terrorists', if that is what brought these aircraft down, and my bets are on just that.

But we know the the 'terrorists' are the West's proxies, still doing 'Their Masters Will'.

The US has a track record of getting their agents to bring down airliners (like the Cuban plane, 771 or 73 dead) and then protecting the perps (or shooting the planes down themselves, like the Iranian passenger plane, or the one with returning trained Egyptian helicopter gunship pilots, or several others (and of course, the French shot down an Italian airliner, thinking it had Gaddafi on board.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't it amazing how 'accidents' or 'terrorist attacks' manage to down Russian and Malaysian planes, but seem to leave US, UK, French & Israeli planes alone?


It is amazing. What also amazes me is the other coincidence. Challange the NWO and lose a plane. In Malasia, the Russell Tribunal finds Bush and Bliar guilty of war crimes. Two war criminals found guilty = two planes gone.

In Syria, Russians, give "ISIS" terrorists a bloody nose. Need a warning not to mess with us = one plane gone.

And as for "strange sounds" etc, I won't believe anything unless it comes directly from the Russians own investigators. All the others are so compromised, the Russians would have a better chance of a real investigation if they sealed the entire area now believed to be 40sq kilometers. Of course much of the evidence may already be compromised.

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Yes, it is. Sinai is about 120 miles across
Russian airliner came down only 30 miles or so from 'Israel'
That long frontier almost unpolicable, a 'buffer zone, much like the occupied Golan Heights in Syria, a result of the settlement after Israel's occupation of Sinai in the 1973 Yom Kippur war.

Why did US take 4 days to reveal satellite heat signature data?
Russians playing it cool. Evidence so far 'inconclusive'/ Russian jets still flying to Sharm el-Sheikh...

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Isn't it amazing how 'accidents' or 'terrorist attacks' manage to down Russian and Malaysian planes, but seem to leave US, UK, French & Israeli planes alone?


It is amazing. What also amazes me is the other coincidence. Challange the NWO and lose a plane. In Malasia, the Russell Tribunal finds Bush and Bliar guilty of war crimes. Two war criminals found guilty = two planes gone.

In Syria, Russians, give "ISIS" terrorists a bloody nose. Need a warning not to mess with us = one plane gone.

And as for "strange sounds" etc, I won't believe anything unless it comes directly from the Russians own investigators. All the others are so compromised, the Russians would have a better chance of a real investigation if they sealed the entire area now believed to be 40sq kilometers. Of course much of the evidence may already be compromised.



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Doubt Israel would be stupid enough to use a detectable SAMS and as has been said ISIS don't have them --so difficult to false flag that. A planted bomb onboard ? Could easily be a "sleeper" working at airport--awaiting orders--but from whom?
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I believe that if a bomb was planted on the plane in Egypt, it would have been with Western and Egyptian aquiessence, indeed on their orders.
But the Egyptian authorities may well have shot themselves n both feet; who the heck is going to want to go to Egypt for a holiday in the forseable future?
There are plenty of alternative countries, without a dicatorial, repressive regime and with as much sun and sand; and, more to the point, a better air safety record!!!

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If a bomb then must be some planning gone into it and this should leave some trail of evidence.


What a horrible way to be killed--poor blighters. The culprits must have some warped mentality. IS seem to be keeping cards close to chest saying they will reveal in the future how they did it. Cant see the reasoning behind that--unless they have more of the same planned (and the "they" may not actually be IS !)

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IS is controlled by US, just like the terrorists who blew up the Cuban plane with the returning Olympic team on board.
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Credible sounding headline about exercises
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/11/381067/
But absolutely nothing to back this up
Even spells AWACS wrong!
Whatever happened to Veterans Today?
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Here's an interesting possibility, but I know nothing about the source so make your own minds up about the authenticity of this.

A new Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the Foreign Ministry was informed on 5 November by the Federation Embassy in Washington D.C. that they had been notified by the United States Bureau of Diplomatic Security (BDS) that a Russian national under their protection was found dead in his hotel room from what they believed was a heart attack.

According to this report, the Russian national under the protection of the BDS was Mikhail Lesin who had been dispatched to the United States by President Putin to act as his personal liaison with top Obama regime intelligence officials in negotiating the “circumstances/facts” surrounding the Islamic State’s downing of Flight 9268 over Egypt.

In Mikhail Lesin’s last dispatch to Moscow before his death, this report continues, he described a “contentious/argumentative” meeting with Obama regime officials wherein they made threats against the Federation should Moscow attempt to bring back to Russia two captured American “contractors” from Yemen the SVR has “associated” with the Islamic State terrorists who shot down, and claimed responsibility for, Flight 9268.

As we have previously reported (Islamic State Shootdown Of Russian Plane “Will Be Avenged” Vows Russia and Russian Plane Shootdown Now Labeled “Political Event” As Putin Orders Nuclear War Readiness), based upon satellite data, the SVR was nearly immediately able to ascertain that Flight 9268, which had departed Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt, was shot down by a British made Starburst surface-to-air missile after it had been “forced/deceived” to a lower altitude by false “communications/electronic” measures sent from Yemen.

The knowledge to the SVR of this secret base in Yemen “misdirecting/deceiving” flights entering into and departing Sharm el-Sheikh, this report notes, was first discovered in August when a British based Thomas Airways flight approaching this area with 189 persons on board was “electronically manipulated” and then fired upon by a surface-to-air missile—but which the pilot was able to evasively maneuver away from with this missile just missing his plane by 1,000 feet.

Based upon electronic intelligence, this report says, the SVR was able to determine that the missile fired against the Thomas Airways flight, and which destroyed Flight 9268, was an act of terror committed by the Islamic State terrorist group known as Ansar Bait al-Maqdis (aka Islamic State of the Sinai or Wilayat al Sinai) about whom US officials had warned “aren’t some run-of-the-mill jihadi crew but one of the most active and potent ISIS affiliates”.

Making this Islamic State terror group in the Sinai even more deadly, this report continues, has been the military and financial support it receives from Saudi Arabia, which includes the Starburst shoulder fired antiaircraft missile given to the Saudis by British company Thales Air Defence who provided these missiles to Saudi Arabia under a contract signed in 2007, and who openly operates in this kingdom.

Immediately after Flight 9268 was shot down by these Islamic State terrorists, this report says, a combined SVR-Spetsnaz (Special Forces) “team” operating in Yemen since the attempted shoot down of the Thomas Airways flight in August, was able to locate the base being used to “manipulate/deceive” flights over the Sinai and captured its two operators—who were identified by the SVR as being holders of American passports and claimed they were working for the United Nations, a claim that was denied by the United Nations.

Upon the initial “interrogation/interview” of these two Americans in Yemen by SVR “experts”, this report says, President Putin dispatched Mikhail Lesin as his personal emissary to the United States due to the “cataclysmic” implications of the information received.

Mikhail Lesin, it should be noted, is a prominent Russian political figure and mass media expert credited with inspiring the creation of Russia Today (now RT) and had a longstanding personal friendship with President Putin.

When learning of Mikhail Lesin’s death, this report states, President Putin ordered all “negotiations” with the US suspended and further ordered the SVR to return to Federation territory the two captured Americans in Yemen—and which we detailed in our report Daring Raid Captures CIA “Assets” Who Downed Russian Plane In Egypt.

Upon these American’s further “interrogation/questioning” upon their reaching Moscow, this report continues, the SVR determined that they were employees of the private US mercenary company Academi, (Blackwater, and XE) and though holding US passports identified their country of origin as being Colombia.

Important to note about these two Blackwater/Academi/XE Colombian-Americans captured by the SVR in Yemen, this report says, are that these mercenaries of Blackwater are reported to have entered Yemen under the guise of the Colombian soldiers.

Recently, in fact, a Colombian-based media group reported that over the next few months, more than 800 Colombian military forces will enter Sana, Yemen, to support Saudi offensive strikes, and to support Saudi allies fighting in Yemen.

As to associating these two captured Blackwater/Academi/XE mercenaries with the CIA, this report concludes, awaits additional financial “examination/confirmation”—but which many SVR analysts believe is only a matter of time till proven true.

To most fully understand this report, indeed all of the other SVR reports dealing with Flight 9268, President Putin’s dispatching of his top media advisor, Mikhail Lesin, to the United States shows the proof that not only does Russia knows this plane was shot down, but also the Obama and Cameron regimes too.

What remains to be determined by Russia and West, however, is not only how best to manipulate the facts of this disaster, but the level of retaliation to be used—which if not measured and balanced, would most assuredly plunge our entire world into war.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some more on Flight 9268:

'Obama Murders Flight 9268 Plotters, Threatens Russia Olympic Ban If Truth Told': http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1940.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this post by Sibel Edmonds was picked up on the Forum at the time, but it is certainly relevant now, including to Flight 9268, but also to ISIS/IS terror in the Middle East and elsewhere in general:

'Friends-Enemies-Both? Our Foreign Policy Riddle':
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/10/13/friends-enemies-both-our-fo reign-policy-riddle/

'........Now let’s go back and search U.S. press coverage of Afghanistan’s ‘Freedom Fighters’ during the 80s and try to find any coverage related to these U.S. backed and supported operations’ intersection with the global narcotics trade. Are there any? I’m afraid we know the answer to this question. Here is further coverage based on the report by FAIR: “The press coverage of this era was overwhelmingly positive, even glowing, with regard to the guerrillas’ conduct in Afghanistan. Their unsavory features were downplayed or omitted altogether…Virtually all papers favored some amount of U.S. military support; and there was near unanimous agreement that the guerrillas were "heroic," "courageous" and above all "freedom fighters."” “According to the L.A. Times (6/23/86): "The Afghan guerrillas have earned the admiration of the American people for their courageous struggle.... The rebels deserve unstinting American political support and, within the limits of prudence, military hardware."” And here the axis of U.S. Government-U.S. Press- and the information spin or black-out: “Another problem was direct manipulation of reporting by the U.S. government, which was supporting the Mujahiddin guerrillas during both the Carter and Reagan administrations. (Indeed, we now know that U.S. aid to the Mujahiddin was secretly begun in July 1979, six months before the Soviets invaded--International Politics, 6/00.) This press manipulation began early in the conflict. In January 1980, the New York Times (1/26/80) reported that the State Department had "relaxed" its accuracy code for reporting information on Afghanistan. As a result, the Carter administration generated "accounts suggesting Soviet actions for which the administration itself has no solid foundation."” ...........'

'........'Between 1996 and 2002, we, the United States, planned, financed and helped execute every single major terrorist incident by Chechen rebels (and the Mujahideen) against Russia Between 1996 and 2002, we, the United States, planned, financed and helped execute every single uprising and terrorism related scheme in Xinxiang (aka East Turkistan and Uyghurstan) Between 1996 and 2002, we, the United States, planned and carried out at least two assassination schemes against pro Russia officials in Azerbaijan'........'


So, given deep hostility the US has to Russia blowing their murderous bloodthirsty ISIS/IS thugs to blazes in Syria and Iraq, it makes perfect sense that the US would be behind the Soviet airliner shoot-down....n'est pas?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's an interesting possibility, but I know nothing about the source so make your own minds up about the authenticity of this.

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/russian-emissary-death-in-us-spurs-fli ght-to-moscow-of-plane-shootdown-terrorists/[/url]


I agree this is a most interesting theory but you are right to sound a note of caution. It is too early to assess if this stands up to scrutiny

The Egyptians are denying the Daily Mail story that a missile nearly hit a Thomson flight in August

https://twitter.com/MfaEgypt/status/663045700326973440

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Preposterous allegations by @MailOnline regarding UK plane 'avoiding Egyptian missile' in August are completely inaccurate. Incident involved GROUND-TO-GROUND fire exercise in military base few km off Sharm airport, no ground-to-air firing involved whatsoever. Egypt & UK govs fully aware that plane was in no danger. Airliners previously informed of military exercise & instructed of procedures


Whilst the presence of Saudi funded Colombian mercenaries appears widely accepted

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article4598846.ece

The flight recorders would of course prove one way or the other whether the plane had reduced it altitude.

The author appears to be someone known as Sorcha Faal

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index7381.htm

Who is widely attacked as being a disinfo artist.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Sorcha+Faal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd =cr&ei=rShGVqzOK4v4aqPwp8AH

As you say, make up your own minds but treat with caution unless supported by other sources
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It was hacked says Voltaire network
Airbus 321 in the Sinaï - only one hypothesis remains
by Valentin Vasilescu

http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html

Valentin Vasilescu demonstrates here the impossibility of the theory of a bomb placed in the plane. After having explored all hypotheses, there is now only one left – that of a failure in the software of the automatic pilot. We may therefore conclude that the accusations of the United Kingdom and the United States, as well as the claim for responsibility by the Islamic Emirate, are propaganda. The crash was not a terrorist attack. But the problems in the automatic pilot system may be either an accident or the effect of sabotage by an extremely specialised secret service.

VOLTAIRE NETWORK | BUCHAREST (ROMANIA) | 12 NOVEMBER 2015
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Russian investigators brought with them to Egypt a complex apparatus designed to test the débris both inside and outside the plane. This equipment enables the detection of aerosol-based explosives to a level of sensitivity of 20 nanogrammes. If, in the test solutions, there appear traces of a brown-violet colour, the agent is revealed as TNT. If an orange precipitate appears, the explosive is Tetryl, or another explosive from group A (TNB, DNT, picric acid, etc.). The Russian device possesses a range of separate tests for explosives from group B. With this system, the appearance in test solutions of a rosy colour would indicate the use of dynamite, nitroglycerine, RDX, PETN, SEMTEX or nitrocellulose. If the chemical reactions do not identify explosives from groups A and B, the test equipment automatically checks for the presence of components containing inorganic nitrates, such as chlorine, bromine or peroxyde, used in the preparation of improvised explosive devices (ANFO).

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The Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum published a declaration from the team of investigators working on the accident of the Russian A321 in the Sinaï peninsula —the team affirmed that no trace of explosive had been discovered in the débris of the plane, or on the articles of clothing and tissues recovered from the passengers. Thus, the hypothesis conveyed by British civil servants - according to which the crash of the Russian plane had been caused by an on-board bomb, on the basis of the so-called ’interception’ of a conversation between leaders of the Islamic Emirate – is proved to be false. The hypothesis of an attack by a missile, either ground-to-air or air-to-air, also collapses, since missile war-heads contain TNT, a substance which was not detected by the investigators. The hypothesis of an explosion in one of the motors must also be discarded, since the turbine blades were discovered to be intact.

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The same is true for the theory of the explosion of one of the fuel tanks, since these are situated in the wings, and an explosion to the right or left would have detached the wing from the fuselage. But the wings fell to the ground intact, a few metres away from the anterior part of the fuselage, before catching fire. This fact indicates that they were not detached from the fuselage, and that there was no fire in the fuel tanks before contact with the ground.

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Thus, the myth woven by the US television channel NBC, according to which the Pentagon declared that a US military satellite had detected, in the area and at the moment of the accident, a peak of heat and light, turns out to be a lie. Finally, at this point, the Islamic Emirate or any other terrorist organisation, is relieved of responsibility in the crash of the Russian Airbus A321 in the Sinaï,which, apparently, bothers the US and UK governments. Why?

Depressurisation in the plane remains one of the active hypotheses, but only as a result of the plane’s chaotic manœuvres, and not as a cause in itself. As I pointed out in a previous article [1], the repetitive pitching movements, with negative and positive overloads beyond anything normal for a passenger plane, are what led to the separation of the exterior panels, the twisting and dislocation of certain resistance elements in the plane’s basic structure (central girders, ribs, etc.) and rupture of the hydraulic pipes and hoses fixed to the exterior cladding. In the absence of hydraulic pressure, the plane’s crew can control neither depth nor direction. The abnormal noise, discovered during the analysis of the black box, probably indicates depressurisation, followed by the dislocation of some of the plane’s parts at an altitude of about 5,000 to 6,000 metres, as confirmed by the impact of large fragments of the plane over more than 2 kilometres in the direction of the flight.

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Let’s return to 06:12:59 in the progress of the accident, and attempt to decode each of the fluctuations in the flight parametres. It is essentiel to underline the fact that the plane was at that moment flying by automatic pilot. First of all, we note a 3-second descent, with a loss of altitude of 150 metres, which led to a negative overload of 2 G. This manœuvre is too sudden, producing an « air-pocket » sensation, to have been commanded by the flight crew.

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The second command was the aircraft’s recovery, climbing 800 metres in 2 - 3 seconds, causing positive overloads of between 5 and 6 G, values which only exist for fighter aircraft in close combat situations, and lead to the pilot’s loss of vision, known in aeronautical jargon as the « black veil » . In my opinion, it is impossible that this command could have been originated by the flight crew – only a defective automatic pilot could have generated such a climb. If the pilots had been at the controls, after the first brutal descent, they would have redressed the plane progressively, first of all horizontally for 8 to 10 seconds, then climbing slowly to return to their cruising altitude.

The third command consisted of switching from a 40° to 50° climb to a dive of 20° to 30°, with a negative overload of 4 G, and it is impossible for this manœuvre to have been executed by the crew of a passenger aeroplane, because everybody loses consciousness, with the appearance of what is called the « red veil ». The only moments in which the crew could apparently have intervened would have been during the brief moments of horizontal flight – 5 seconds and 3 seconds, if unhindered by further uncontrolled developments. In normal situations, the aerodynamic centre of the automatic pilot will not allow manœuvres which could lead to overloads close to material destruction, whatever commands may be operated by the pilot in manual control. The cause of these chaotic manœuvres can therefore only be due to a dysfunction of the mechanism of the automatic pilot.

Apart from the failure of the automatic pilot’s computer, due to material exhaustion, I have explained, in a previous article, that it is possible to take control of the A321 from the outside, by hacking into the automatic pilot’s software, either through a previously-installed programme, or via a ground-based transmission. By a strange « coincidence », from the first seconds that the plane’s chaotic manœuvres were noted, both the transponder and the radio ceased transmitting. The transponder would have indicated the plane’s flight parametres to the air traffic controllers and, via the on-board radio, the crew could have signalled the appearance of an emergency situation and described the plane’s behaviour.

However, what led to the dysfunction of the automatic pilot at that precise moment, only the investigating committee will be able to determine.

Valentin Vasilescu
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Airport security, Issue 1405

NICK PARKER, chief foreign correspondent of the Sun, had shocking news on last Friday’s front page: “Security at Sharm el-Sheikh airport has been exposed as a shambles after guards let Brits jump queues for a £15 fee – without checking their luggage.” A pity he wasn’t allowed to write the story when he first discovered it, a full five months earlier.

It was while at Sharm airport in June this year that Parker heard of corrupt officials letting tourists avoid the queues – and bypass security and baggage checks – in return for cash backhanders. He contacted his newsdesk and proposed an exposé of the lax security that was jeopardising the lives of holidaymakers. He would find an official, offer a £20 note and see if he could indeed get a bag through to flight-side without any checking.

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The newsdesk then contacted managing editor Stig Abell’s office, which informed chief compliance officer Imogen Haddon, who in turn consulted News Corp’s head office in New York and its management and standards committee (MSC) – whereupon an urgent message was sent to Parker ordering him not to go ahead.

Why the panic? Ever since the News International scandals began, the Dirty Digger has been terrified of a corporate prosecution which could jeopardise his empire. Hence the creation of the MSC, which kept the company out of the dock by grassing up individual hacks instead.

Hence, too, the reaction to Parker’s proposal: if he handed over £20 it might lead to charges against News Corp in America under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which applies to any company with US connections (such as News Corp) bribing foreign officials anywhere in the world. It might sound barmy, but that is how the News Corp minds now work.

So the Sun missed its chance to expose the security failings at Sharm el-Sheikh. Five months later, 224 Russians were blown out of the sky.


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Airbus 321 in the Sinaï - only one hypothesis remains
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http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html


Problem I see with that timeline of events affecting the plane is that there would be pilot and co pilot recorded voice evidence to suggest loss of control.

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BBC continues with its anti-Russian speak; about 20 to eight this morning John Humphries announced vindictively that after the Russian airliner was shot down the Russians would not admit that it was a terrorist action despite statements by western experts.
'Eventually they were forced to admit that it was a terrorist bomb ....: etc.
This is actually about the rule of law and reason.
Russians did not announce a verdict until after all the crash site had been visited and the evidence collected and analysed
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It was hacked says Voltaire network
Airbus 321 in the Sinaï - only one hypothesis remains
by Valentin Vasilescu

http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html


Problem I see with that timeline of events affecting the plane is that there would be pilot and co pilot recorded voice evidence to suggest loss of control.


There is no problem at all if the control system was hacked - it cuts out all radio traffic and location signals, as well as making it utterly impossible for the flight crew to have any influence in controlling the plane.
This was my first thought, when I heard it was an Airbus - like Boeings, built-in 'hackability'. 'Fly by wire'? They should call it 'Fly by night'!

The Russians now say they have found TNT traces; this may be true, or it may be a way of avoiding saying it had been hacked. IS can't 'hack' planes, but the US, UK and Israel can.
If they said the US hacked it, what could they do about it?
But here we get back to what I found to be a very credible story - that a US mercenary team had hacked it from Yemen, then two of the team were captured and transported to Russia by a Russian Spetnatz team.
That story had a British 'Manpad' rocket downing it; if that had been fired, it could possibly account for traces of high explosive residue.

But, perhaps far more important, IF the equiptment the 'story' has it was captured along with the two US mercenaries was hacking equiptment for the Airbus, that would mean Russia now has the ability to hack into Airbuses in the future, and perhaps Boeings too!!
That would really have everyone sweating!!!!

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Tell me about it. They've gone into propaganda overdrive. The only solace I take is that the more they sound like rabid Fox News impersonators, the more people will see through their war mongering bias
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Are we being forewarned

Mr Osborne - who visited the GCHQ listening station in Cheltenham - said IS has already proved its ability to exploit the internet "for hideous propaganda purposes", including for radicalisation and operational planning.

But the chancellor warned that IS was also seeking to hack key UK infrastructure in a bid to kill people.

Mr Osborne also said GCHQ is monitoring threats to 450 companies in areas such as defence, energy and water supply.

"From our banks to our cars, our military to our schools, whatever is online is also a target," Mr Osborne said.

"The stakes could hardly be higher. If our electricity supply, or our air traffic control, or our hospitals were successfully attacked online, the impact could be measured not just in terms of economic damage but of lives lost."

He added: "They do not yet have that capability. But we know they want it, and are doing their best to build it."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34839800

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They do know something..PM and co to get personal jet. Don't trust the hackable planes .

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Prime Minister David Cameron and senior ministers are to get their own plane for official trips.

An RAF Voyager A330 air-to-air refuelling aircraft will be refitted at a cost of about £10m.

The government says the move will save about £775,000 a year as the plane will be cheaper than chartering flights.

The BBC's Ross Hawkins said despite the predicted savings, the announcement was likely to prove controversial ahead of next week's Spending Review.

Most government departments are facing budget cuts of at least 25% over the next four years.

A source said the PM's flights, using either Royal Squadron planes or long haul charter, cost on average £6,700 per flying hour and the RAF aircraft would cost £2,000. It would be available for refuelling when it wasn't in use.

The flight would also be available to the Royal family.


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