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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: 'Voodoo Histories' Aaronovitch conspiracy book Reply with quote

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/voodoo-h istories-by-david-aaronovitch-1676707.html

Hope I got all that right, note oily Arronovitch omits the' 45 minute 2003 Iraq WMD CT' he fell for in his sneery little excuse for killing trees and making much wonga!
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaronovitz wrote:
He takes as the archetype of conspiracy theories the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.


Yeah, well, he would, wouldn't he? Tired old pundit - should be given a retirement flat in Jerusalem, courtesy Kissinger, and told to shut up, imo.

I wonder how Norman Mineta fits into this 'voodoo history', or Kean for that matter?

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Indeed, it is this flaw that leads Aaronovitch to leave a hole in his otherwise compelling book. Voodoo Histories purports to be an account of how conspiracy theories shape history but it leaves out the most history-scarring conspiracy theory of our age. The Bush administration concocted a story that Saddam Hussein's agents had met with 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta. In order to get "proof", we now know they tortured captured Islamists into "confessing." On the basis of this conspiracy theory, a war was launched.

Yet Aaronovitch doesn't peer into this theory, or even mention it.


Well, well...Maybe he's done 'us' a favour there? ;-)

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Aaronovitch - No! Reply with quote

Aaronovitch - such a snivelling revolting creature; so dark but definitely nowhere near stupid. Ho hum.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Aaronovitch book launch report Reply with quote

Jay Ginn has sent us this:

He was quite cautious and had to admit some conspiracies do exist, esp
when reminded that talk in 1930s of a plot to murder all Jews were
widely dismissed as a conspiracy theory. He doesnt think the Reichstag
fire was a false flag op.

He told us his book covers Diana, JFK, Monroe, Kelly and Hilda
Murrell, developing a theory that people have a psychological need to
embellish a narrative to make it less accidental and more
understandable, ie more satisfying; this inclines them to be more
credulous concerning conspiracy theories. But he didnt address the
question of how we can distinguish 'true' from 'false' when so much of
the evidence is suppressed. He thinks DRG is honest but misguided and
that most sceptics as to official accounts are well-educated.

Questioners pointed out the PNAC need for another Pearl Harbour, and
the dealing in airline shares just before 9.11 but he invoked
coincidence. As to WMD lies he says its an example of 'confirmation
bias' having misled politicians.

Qiute a lot of people there, lecture hall 75% full.

Jay

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The event took place: "Thursday 7 May 6.30-8pm
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> Sheikh Zayed Theatre, New Academic Building
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> "Voodoo Histories: from the Protocols to 9/11 Truth"
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> Speaker: David Aaronovitch
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> Chair: Charlie Beckett
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> Why are people attracted to conspiracy theories and why are those
> theories so
> damaging?"

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You can find a review of Aaronovitch's book in the Times on Line (his Murdoch-owned employers) here:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/book s/non-fiction/article6197929.ece
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: flaw in Aaronovitch's argument Reply with quote

A major problem with David Aaronovitch’s argument is that he admits some conspiracy theories turn out to be valid while others do not, an attitude which he shares with many *conspiracy theorists*.

He admits as valid theories the following:

1 that the WMD allegations were a conspiracy to get Western powers to attack Iraq;
2 that the Soviet Communist Party funded the British Communist Party [of which he used to be a member]
3 that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a conspiracy to justify the US war in Vietnam
4 Watergate
5 the rumour that went around in the 1930s that there was a conspiracy afoot to commit genocide against Jews.

But he apparently maintains that the following theories are false:
1 That Princess Diana was murdered
2 That David Kelly was murdered
3 That Roosevelt was involved in bringing about the Pearl Harbor attack
4 That 9/11 was an inside job

Given that his family must have suffered in the holocaust, it is bizarre that he spends so much energy dismissing most *conspiracy theories* as absurd. Surely, given the fact that some of such theories turn out to be correct, it would be wise for democracies to establish the habit of investigating such theories in open court with power to sub poena witnesses to testify under oath in front of juries, to establish which theories are true and which not.

If David A had been around in the 1930s would he have spotted that the Jewish extermination conspiracy theory was a valid one or would he have dismissed it as a fantasy held by paranoid conspiracists?

It's easy to be wise with hindsight.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh how I wish someone had given us notice of that public meeting, Aaronovitch did much back peddling and humble pie eating it appears, such fun! Is there going to be a youtube?

('ronov thinks that mentally handicapped guy burned down the Rheichstag(sp?) as per the nazi official CT?
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone ask him if he thought Operation Mockingbird was (is) an actual conspiracy?
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaronovitch is the last man playing sax on a sinking ship. I didin't get to his talk last night but am told that he believes Operation Gladio to be a 'conspiracy theory'. Joker.

We interviewed him, much to his disgust once he found out we were 'truthers' a while back. It's episode 5 I think. Still got the video of that too and I think there's footage from last night.

http://www.wearechange.org.uk/pages/listen.html

Also he was questioning the CCTV stats and didn't believe them so the Guardian went with him on his route to work to count the cameras.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/video/2009/mar/ 12/counting-cctv-cameras

Not forgetting this great quote from him about the WMD.

"These claims cannot be wished away in the light of a successful war. If nothing is eventually found, I - as a supporter of the war - will never believe another thing that I am told by our government, or that of the US ever again. And, more to the point, neither will anyone else. Those weapons had better be there somewhere"

The man is a joker

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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Oh how I wish someone had given us notice of that public meeting, Aaronovitch did much back peddling and humble pie eating it appears, such fun! Is there going to be a youtube?


I'm afraid I'm no longer playing the active role that I used to. I'm getting on with other aspects of my life which need attention and though I knew this meeting was coming up, I kind of presumed someone would have announced it on this website. Now that the original 9/11 Truth Campaign in Britain has crystallised out into different tendencies, (Whole Truth Coalition, Reinvestigate 9/11 and We Are Change, All Faiths Against Terrorism) some of whose supporters want nothing whatever to do with the others, it has become apparent that we all have certain common interests which would be advanced if there were greater co-operation between these several groupings, particularly when there are events in which we all have an interest. I think We Are Change may have some idealogical objection to using this website, but only they can clarify that.

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('ronov thinks that mentally handicapped guy burned down the Rheichstag(sp?) as per the nazi official CT?


It seems as though as time goes on these ridiculers of *conspiracy theorists* are having to admit that some conspiracies do happen, which weakens their case that *conspiracists* are merely sad, deluded paranoid people.

David A's case, which has now been modified to admit that some *conspiracy theories* are well-founded while others are nonsense, is not unreasonable, but he apparently produces no guidance on how to distinguish between the well-founded and the nonsensical theories, other than that he as a wise political commentator is able to distinguish between them. So if you agree with his choice as to which is which you're a sane researcher but if you have a different list of genuine ones from him you're crazy.

His is an unsustainable argument.

Now he has to balance his need for cheques from Times Newspapers to maintain his lifestyle, with the need to appear rational as a serious political commentator. I suspect that in the long run these two objectives are irreconcilable.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post, xmasdale (as ever ;)

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but he apparently produces no guidance on how to distinguish between the well-founded and the nonsensical theories


Those that support and promote Zionism (Thunderbolt/Entebbe; Uss Liberty; 9/11; 7/7 etc) are kosher events?

Grief, I am so very sick of ALL MSM mouthpieces - even the Grauniad and Independent seem quite unable to ever get their priorities right. Today it's the ministerial trough scandal - no mention of the Torture reports post-swine; no mention of Madoff/AIG/Mossad (of course!); no honesty in reporting the US/Zionist inspired Pakistan disaster; no reality whatsoever - just more low quality smoke and mirrors.

May Thames and Chatham houses sink into the slime of the river where they belong!

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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone recall the tanks/armoured cars round Heathrow the friday before that 2 million person anti-Iraq-war march February 2003? or the deadly Ricin plot in Palmers green unhatched the day Bliar was chairing a conference on 'International terrorism' several miles away in central London? The ricin PG case, I understand , like just about all these alleged Islamic terror conspiracy cases, laughed out of court. Has Aaronovitch been genetically altered in the human supicion department perhaps, if, as it appears, he doesn't 'smell any conspiratorial rats', where IS he coming from?
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Craig Murray's blog:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/05/brutus_acted_al.html#co mments

Brutus Acted Alone - Aaronovitch

David Aaaronovitch's new "conspiracy debunking" book Voodoo Histories is getting an extraordinary level of boosting by the mainstream media. Here are a few highlights from this masterly exposition:

- No government has ever done anything nasty to any of its citizens, ever, unless they were Socialists (including National Socialists) or Islamists. All other government is entirely open and secretive acts do not occur.

- All official inquiries, commissions and judicial investigations in history have been composed of entirely honourable people with no agenda to serve political masters and inspired only by a pure devotion to unalloyed truth

- There was no conspiracy to lie about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell did not lie and show fake photos to the Security Council. Tony Blair did not lie to Parliament. George Bush did not lie to the American public. Nobody was waterboarded into confessing to the Al-Qaida/Iraq link. The dodgy dossier on weapons of mass destruction was a figment of the imagination of socialists/Islamists/other mad people, and anyway it was all true except they have hid the WMD, so there.

- The Zinoviev letter, Roger Casement's diaries and the Jacobite order to massacre all prisoners if they won Culloden, were all quite genuine just like the government said.

- There was no St Bartholomew's Day Massacre.

- The US had no part in the overthrow of Allende.

- Patrice Lumumba just went away on holiday.

- There was no conspiracy to kill JFK, or if there was, it was the Socialists

- Anybody who ever takes a different view on any of the above is a dangerous lunatic whose views on no subject at all need to be taken seriously.

- Belief in the official narrative is the definition of sanity.

- To defend the official narrative, the establishment needs to employ fat ugly propagandists with greasy hair and incredibly bad complexions.

Oh look, so they do.

Anyway, now I've saved you the trouble of reading it, you can buy Murder in Samarkand and The Catholic Orangemen of Togo instead.
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- Anybody who ever takes a different view on any of the above is a dangerous lunatic whose views on no subject at all need to be taken seriously.

He must be angling for a job pushing the man made climate change scam!! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post, kbo - looks like Craig Murray's back on form, bbbut:-

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The dodgy dossier on weapons of mass destruction was a figment of the imagination of socialists/Islamists/other mad people, and anyway it was all true except they have hid the WMD, so there.


Surely Aaronotwit didn't go that far out onto a very rotten limb? I thought he was moderately computerate?



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Seems not...

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's not a conspiracy killer at all.
He's a knocker down of straw men.
And killer of those that are documenting the criminalisation and paralysation of the law enforcement process in the NATO zone.

Though I have to admit that's not so snappy a headline. Smile

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By DAVID ROBINSON
WE ALL KNOW THE FEELING. YOU meet a stranger and he tells you exactly why President Kennedy was clearly assassinated by more than one gunman and the reason they never caught the other one was that someone bumped him off because he was in charge of the TV studios where they made the film of the fake moon landings,
was acting on the orders of the man who deliberately didn't order those planes to be shot down on 9/11 or who willfully concealed evidence that the blood descendants of Jesus Christ are among us, yea, even now......
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/features/David-Aaronovitch-interview-T he-conspiracy.5246541.jp

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Sticking Pins In The David Aaronovich Dummy
Aaronovich 'the expert' was expelled from Cambridge University
Friday, May 22, 2009

This week I read David Aaronovitch's Voodoo Histories: The Role of the Conspiracy Theory in shaping our modern world. The first question that comes to mind is why anyone would write such a book, as it does not, as the subtitle asserts, show how these theories have shaped the world; rather, it shows how the author does not like these theories. He points out in the very first pages that they offend his sense of plausibility, and then proceeds to offend all and sundry with his dismissive work.



However, there are large portions of it that are both well written and well researched. As many conspiracy theories are complete and utter rubbish, it does not take a genius to see through them. And even in genuine cases of an existing conspiracy, it is to be expected that investigators will make their share of mistakes. Aaronovitch points these out gleefully, but fails to point out many solid pieces of evidence that make up the corpus delecti. Indeed, he is shadowboxing with one hand and patting his own back with the other.

One trick he employs is to point out absurd theories put forward by the likes of former MI5 agent David Shayler, which he quickly demolishes, but completely ignores the likes of William Rodriguez when discussing 9/11.

And how can he make such an omission? Did he, like so many other journalists, boycott Rodriguez's dozen or more public appearances in England? Certainly not, as Aaronovich and I had a lengthy discussion about his presence at the first 9/11 panel discussion at Friends House, in which Rodriguez held forth*. But in the book, there is no mention of this meeting, which took place in Spring of 2004, but rather lengthy mention of one that transpired in the summer of 2005, at which, at least according to Aaronovitch's book, Rodriguez did not take the stage.

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* - The Friends House meeting Kenyon refers above to which Aaronovitch attended to take notes was in May/June 2005 (not 2004) during Jimmy Walter's tour. The first public meeting the 9/11 Truth campaign held was at the European Social Forum event in September 2004.


To give some context, William Rodriguez was the last man out alive from the North Tower, after voluntarily spending the morning saving hundreds of lives by unlocking the stairwells with his master key. Rodriguez was able to reveal that there was an explosion before the first plane ever hit, that there was mysterious machinery being moved on the vacant 33rd floor, and many other anamolies. Given his 19-years' good service and overall credibility, why does Aaronovitch ignore him? Is it to tackle a fringe goup of former MI5 agents, Beano the Fruito Man, and the odd anti-Semite? The latter are not, and never were, of any real consequence to the movement, in fact, a well researched book on the subject would note that the first 9/11 sceptics were Jews; we hear no mention of Aaronowitz, Shamir, Chamish, Israel or Goldman in his book.

Aaronovitch goes so far in his polemic as to actually side with the Nazis, who, according to the Nuremberg trial transcripts and other evidence, were the ones who set the Reichstag Fire. I told him once to go do this research before he made a fool of himself, but he was only arrogant and would not take advice on this sensitive issue. One might find this ironic, given his Jewish name, but, as he once told me, he is not really Jewish. This revelation came about when I rebuked him for his attitude backstage at Press TV with Yvonne Ridley, and his excuse was his lack of real Hallachic credentials. Friends of mine, whose relatives suffered at the hands of the Third Reich, may find some consolation in the author's limited claim on their culture.

But what consolation exists to relatives of those killed in the 9/11 attacks, or the hordes of people maimed, burned, wounded or killed in Iraq and Afghsanistan? Relatives of the victims of the attacks have refused million dollar compensation awards as they press for the truth, but these may only be collateral damage to Aaronvitch, as he exonerates all governments from false flag terror attacks on their citizens. Oh how Hitler would have loved his work, but I do not, it is sloppy and crude. However, when asked if I think he is an agent of some shadowy cabal that perpetrated these attacks, I answer no. Sheer arrogance is enough to make people stupid and dangerous, but, sadly, there is a market for this sort of rubbish.

Voodoo Histories is published in London in the spring of 2009 by Jonathan Cape.
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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does Aaronowitch have to say about Watergate in his new book, I wonder?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/25/watergate-washington-post- times

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... ... ...Now, in an admission that must rank among the most excruciating in ­newspaper history, the former New York Times journalists have revealed that they knew about the cover-up before their Washington Post rivals. But they dropped the ball.

As early as August 1972, two months after the break-in at the ­Watergate hotel, they were informed of key details of the scandal. They were close to cracking a story that forced the resignation of Richard Nixon, defined a generation and went down in journalistic legend.

The tip-off was made to Smith, a Times reporter, at a private lunch with Patrick Gray, acting director of the FBI. Gray told Smith that the former ­attorney general, John Mitchell, then running Nixon's re-election campaign, was involved in a cover-up of the break-in and attempted bugging at the offices of the Democratic National Committee.

Smith asked Gray how far up it went – all the way to the president? "He sat there and looked at me and he didn't answer. His answer was in the look," Smith said. Smith rushed back to the Times's Washington office, and accosted Phelps, an editor at the bureau. Phelps took notes and recorded the ­conversation. But nothing happened.

There is no explanation for the fumble as Phelps, now 89, cannot remember what happened. But two factors stand out: the day Smith received the news of the cover-up was his last on the paper; and Phelps was shortly to take a break from the office for a month in Alaska. ... ... ...


So it goes - remain silent or lie and keep your job, tell the truth and be banished to the Tundra...

Will it be another 40 years before 9/11 is finally discussed rationally in the MSM?

Will there be an MSM by then? ;-)

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuitTheirClogs wrote:
Did anyone ask him if he thought Operation Mockingbird was (is) an actual conspiracy?


What about Northwoods? I saw it today and it isn't mentioned in the index.

In response to your post, Tony, this books sounds largely like a hit-piece.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was Aaronovitch commissioned to write this book or was he visited by the muse of creativity? I'm speculating CT stylie but it wouldn't be the first time a media magnate had gotten one of his underling scribblers to do something like this.
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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Was Aaronovitch commissioned to write this book or was he visited by the muse of creativity? I'm speculating CT stylie but it wouldn't be the first time a media magnate had gotten one of his underling scribblers to do something like this.


The "praise" quotes for the book on the back page are worth a read!

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Officialists?

There ought to be a name for these people; they who adhere to the official version of events regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I think the best one I’ve come across is “officialists” -- see link. It accurately captures the belief system of these people, but it’s not overtly derogatory.

http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/02/official-conspiracy-t heory-called-dogma.html

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OCTagoons?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.hurryupharry.org
Accusing yours truly
Now announcing Mr Aaronovich's engagements

Also, the same site today links to an article by Nick Cohen which bashes conspiracy theories. A friend left a comment on the article, but not sure if they posted it.

You may all want to point out that David Aaronovich evades key issues of 9/11 - and when it comes to the Reichstag Fire, failed his German history class at Cambridge, and insisted he was not really Jewish to Kenyon Gibson and Tony Gosling backstage on Press TV.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Aggression to Victimhood: David Aaronovitch (or How the Mighty Fall)
by Mary Rizzo • Apr 25th 2009 • War • Zionism
http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/25/from-aggression-to-victimhood -david-aaronovitch-or-how-the-mighty-fall/

WRITTEN BY MARY RIZZO Like anybody, we love to watch false idols crumble, and when rabid Zionist and war advocate Aaronovitch hit the floor with a crash, it was actually one of the most amusing moments in recent political public events. We got to hear, and in some cases, to see the man who considers himself to be an iconoclast living the role of the icon tossed to the floor. And he’s stomping-foot mad about it!



Aaronovitch isn’t what one might consider well known outside of the UK, his argument is actually quite provincial if one can wade through his less than captivating prose, but in his own eyes, he’s quite something. That's him in the photo, giving one of those Come Hither looks he must think the ladies find irresitible. To the unacquainted, this is a man who used to spread a tribalistic ideology and colonial war mongering that would sit well in any imperial war room, and he would wage his battle cries in particular through a moderately progressive UK paper, The Guardian and a more conservative one, the Times. Can we consider it a promotion to now find his lame writing in the really exclusive and excitingly hip London Shtetl weekly, namely the Jewish Chronicle?

http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/25/from-aggression-to-victimhood -david-aaronovitch-or-how-the-mighty-fall/
http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/04/06/dima-omar-so-what-did-we-lear n-about-anti-semitism/
http://ia331409.us.archive.org/1/items/AaronovitchAndCohenVsAtzmon/AJe wResentsAaronovitch.mp3

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Can the Independent Child Sex Abuse Inquiry really properly investigate Elm Guest House?
Elm-Guest-House
The former Elm Guest House in Barnes, south west London, now a respectable residential property
https://davidhencke.com/2018/11/07/can-the-independent-child-sex-abuse -inquiry-really-properly-investigate-elm-guest-house/


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Why let your good smear campaign be spoiled with the facts, David Aaronovitch
David Aaronovitch: Abuse Conspiracies at Westminster? Image Credit: BBC
David Aaronovitch: Abuse Conspiracies at Westminster? Image Credit: BBC

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As the author of Voodoo Histories David Aaronovitch is an expert on modern conspiracy theories. So it is not perhaps surprising that he would treat a story about a historic Westminster paedophile ring involving VIPs as the latest manifestation of mad conspiracy theorists fuelled by deluded people.

This month he published a detailed article in The Times (behind pay wall) saying the whole VIP paedophile ring scandal at Elm Guest House was in effect one of these fantasies. He said the story had been ” largely created and reiterated by a former Labour councillor and convicted fraudster,Chris Fay”.

He accused me of spreading this incredible story ” that I always wanted the public to know”. He concluded by asking journalists like me ” Why am I doing this? And am I sure I’ve got this right.”

This is my answer to why David Aaronvitch has got this wrong. First it is not true that Chris Fay, who worked for an organisation helping children in care, is my sole source. He should know me better that that. I never rely on sole sources. Nor do I rely or refer to this list of VIPs – which appears to be notes from the wife of the Elm Guest House’s long dead owner, Carol Kasir. I know it is not accurate. I have seen part of the log of who stayed at this guest house which , of course, tells you nothing because people booked in under pseudonyms.

Second even Chris Fay does not claim the list is accurate.. Indeed in an article on The Needleblog he says almost the opposite saying he compiled a list of victims who claimed they had been abused at the Elm Guest House not abusers.He rightly casts doubt on that list – saying they may have been guests not abusers of children. Given that in 1982 it was not as acceptable as it is now for people to be gay, this is hardly surprising since people also used Elm Guest House as a rare haven for consenting adults to meet each other as well as paedophile activity.

So what is the evidence? There are two separate sources. First my original source – not Chris Fay – who a colleague met – was a former local government officer on Richmond Council. It was he who led me to investigate why Elm Guest House was raided in the first place in 1982.

It wasn’t complaints from survivors but the residents who lived on this smart Barnes street. They were fed up with people coming at all hours, seeing children going into the guest house, and having posh chauffeur driven cars drawing up there. Most ordinary people do not have large posh cars or chauffeurs at their beck and call. It was one of the then residents who identified Leon Brittan not a survivor. Separately in answer to a direct question from a Dispatches investigation, the police confirmed that Sir Cyril Smith visited Elm Guest House and contrary to reports,have not withdrawn it.

The second stream of sources came from either people who stayed at Grafton Close children’s home or were other former staff on Richmond Council who had responsibility for the home. Here the main allegation was that children were taken there and abused at Elm Guest House and elsewhere. Not everybody was, One was rescued from that fate by a vigilant social worker.

It is a FACT that there was abuse at Elm Guest House. Why? Because one child was taken from Elm Guest House by Richmond Council to Grafton Close was given a medical examination which revealed horrific abuse. This is confirmed by two former senior officials from the council and the Met Police may have the medical file. The person has long since left the country, has a new life abroad, and has decided in view of the furore over this, not to testify.

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