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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:10 am    Post subject: US Propaganda to justify Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombs Reply with quote

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=32219


Flashback: U.S. propaganda in the run up to the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki


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"The human race stands on the verge of nuclear self-extinction as a species, and with it will die most, if not all, forms of intelligent life on the planet earth. Any attempt to dispel the ideology of nuclearism and its attendant myth propounding the legality of nuclear weapons and nuclear deterrence must directly come to grips with the fact that the nuclear age was conceived in the original sins of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 6 and 9, 1945."


[Prof. Francis A. Boyle’s article entitled ‘The criminality of nuclear deterrence. Hiroshima Day, August 6, 1955’
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U.S. Office of War Information poster (1942) about the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7th, 1941






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“Ground Zero”: Hiroshima (left) and Nagasaki (right) before and after the nuclear bombings in August 1945


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The US had to use the bomb... Use it or lose it...

http://fukushimaupdate.com/corbett-report-interview-gary-kohls-confron ts-the-hiroshima-myth/
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On 6th and the 9th of August 1945, US B-52 bombers, Enola Gay and co., dropped their nuclear bombs on Japan, devastating two large cities Hiroshima and Nagaski, killing hundreds of thousands, polluting the earth irredeemably, and consigning millions as yet unborn to genetic defects born of mutations brought about in those few who survived the mushroom clouds. On 10th August 1945, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan. Had they done so earlier, the Japanese would have surrendered instantly. The US authorities knew Stalin was about to declare war and sought to invade Manchuria, and sought to pre-empt him, hence the nuclear annihilation unleashed just a day before. But why did the Americans kill so many and blight the future of millions more if the Japanese were to surrender anyway? Alperovitz, a scholar of the politics of nuclear capability, has excavated some secret archives over many years, meticulously piecing together conclusive evidence in the form of presidential memoranda and letters to show that the purpose of decimating Nagasaki and Hiroshima was not to bring the dogged Japanese generals to surrender, but rather to proclaim to the whole world, to all potential aggressors, but above all to Stalin amd Molotov, that the West was in possession of a terrifying new weapon. The irony is of course, that the Soviet Union had already made great strides in its own nuclear programme, and would shortly match the West warhead to warhead.
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The US had to use the bomb... Use it or lose it...
http://fukushimaupdate.com/corbett-report-interview-gary-kohls-confron ts-the-hiroshima-myth/


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The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and the Architecture of an American Myth Hardcover – 1 Aug 1995
by Gar Alperovitz
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Important Statement by Putin on Russia’s Super Weapons
The Vineyard of the Saker 7205 Views December 25, 2019 57 Comments Translated by Sasha and captioned by Leo.

Source: Vesti – Агрессор будет УНИЧТОЖЕН! Срочное Заявление Путина о СУПЕРОРУЖИИ России! Последние новости
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December 24, 2019 – “Russia will continue to develop its nuclear forces until the world starts working on a new agreement on nuclear weapons control.” That was promised today by Vladimir Putin. The president chaired a session of the extended Collegium of the Ministry of Defence today. One of the chief results of 2019 – the share of new weapons in the nuclear triad is 82%. The army already received the “Avanguard” hyper-sonic systems, from which no aggressor will be able to protect themselves in the foreseeable future. This is exactly what the country’s weapons should be – the best in the world. Yevgeny Reshetnyov reporting.

Besides the stocktaking for the passing year and setting the goals for the future, the session of the Collegium heard strategic declarations from the Commander in Chief.

Vladimir Putin: “We’ve always tried to catch up. The atomic bomb was created in the USA. And the Soviet Union was only catching up. Neither did we have the means of delivery of nuclear weapons. We didn’t have the strategic air force. The Soviet Union had to catch up. The first intercontinental missiles too were not created by us. The Soviet Union had to catch up. Today we have a unique situation in our recent history. It is us who they try to catch up with.”

“No country in the world,” Putin declares, “has hyper-sonic weapons, more so the one capable of reaching across continents.” Russia has the airborne “Kinzhal” systems which are already in active service. The army has already received the “Peresvet” laser combat systems, whose name, after the legendary bogatyr warrior, was chosen by a popular vote. This week the “Avanguard” missile system will commence combat duties near Orenburg. This is the newest design and we are proud of its success in starting the active duty.

The Russian military has also demonstrated the “Avanguard” to the American inspectors, thus adhering to the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, while the USA, by the looks of it, continue on the road of destruction of the agreements, which were reached with such difficulty.

Putin: “The degradation of the weapons control system is a cause for a serious concern. I’m not only referring to the breaking by the United States of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty under totally artificial pretexts that have no grounds whatsoever. As of last November, Washington also created uncertainty as to its participation in the Open Air Treaty. Unclear is also the future of Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty. I must add that all this takes place along the strengthening of the US global anti-missile defence capabilities. We see it, and understand. In view of this, we must continue to develop our army and navy.”

The US military budget will exceed $750 billion dollars next year. It is comparable to the combined defence effort of the rest of the world.

Sergei Shoygu – Russian Minister of Defence: “While the military budget of the US and other continues to grow each year, the Russian military budget has remained practically unchanged for the past few years. While in 2018 we were 7th among the leading countries in our military spending, this year we are 8th and next year we will drop to the 9th place.”

However money isn’t always the decisive factor, if taken into account that Russia, with its moderate expenditure, introduces a unique new air defence system “Vityaz’”. There is also no competition for the hyper-sonic missile “Zircon”, which will be deployed on combat vessels and on shore. The “Sarmat” missile – the military is preparing the flight tests – will replace the most powerful in the world silo-based strategic missile “Voyevoda”. All these latest developments were first announced by Vladimir Putin last year during his address to the Federal Assembly, which became a sensation. Back then, the president announced another super weapon. The cruise missile with unlimited range “Burevestnik”. Today the president confirmed that the work on it is on schedule.

Putin: “How are we able to, must be able to, and will be able to remain in the lead? By using our brains. By intellect. By a better work organisation. By minimizing theft and sloppiness. By concentrating our effort in the principle directions which will secure for us a high level of the country’s defence.”

The Aerospace Forces will receive over a hundred modern flying units. As an illustration, the spacious atrium of the Ministry building became an exhibition ground for models of the advanced weapons. Everything most recent and modern that the army has is here today, from knives to combat vessels, satellites and fighter planes. The president visited the exhibition with interest although the Commander in Chief has already seen many of the samples in action at the training grounds. The work on creating the “Sarmat” missile system continues. The new design for the paratroopers is this parachute for jumping in tandem, if you don’t count the dogs. The military dog as of today has done 12 jumps. During the visit, Putin heard many times: “This is the weapon that equals the best in the world.” Later the president noted: “We need it to be better than the best.”

Putin: “This is not a chess game where sometimes we can be content with a draw. This is the military organisation of the state. The hardware must be better. We can achieve that. We do achieve that in the key directions of development. This must be the case for all the components.”

Next year the Navy will receive 14 ships, 3 submarines, 18 gunboats and auxiliary vessels. There are so many ships being built that journalists wonder if there’s enough imagination to come up with names for all of them. These are either the names of outstanding military and political figures of the Russian State, or the names of our cities.

Nikolai Patrushev – Secretary of the Security Council of Russia: “We indeed have modern weapons today. We’ve learn to use it. We do it effectively. And we spend minimum of resources.”

The share of new weapons in the nuclear triad has reached 82%. This is reassuring, taking into account that NATO and the US don’t abandon attempts to surround Russia with missile systems. The chief task will be solved having this in mind – by the end of next year, the share of modern weapons in the armed forces will have to be no less than 70%. Many branches of armed forces have already reached this level, but the main goal which the Commander in Chief voiced today is not just to reach certain levels

but to remain at these set levels. Modernization and delivery of new modern types of weapons to the army must be ongoing. Yevgeny Reshetnyov, Mikhail Alterkopeh and Viktor Mamayev, Vesti from the Ministry of Defence.

At the Collegium, the president spoke about the historic memory which Russia will defend. He commented on the recent resolution of the European Union parliament which places the blame for starting WWII on Hitler’s Germany and the Soviet Union. During the building of the Russian Armed Forces, we must have in view the position of those countries which demolish the monuments to the Red Army soldiers. Attempts to rewrite history are made by the followers of those who negotiated with Hitler before the war and applauded his ideas. As an example the president named the Polish diplomat Józef Lipski, who was the ambassador to Germany until 1939.

Putin: “Hitler informed the Foreign Minister and then the Polish ambassador in Germany he openly told them that he had an idea to deport the Jews to Africa. To the colonies. Imagine that. 1938. Deport the Jews to Africa to die, to be destroyed. To which the Polish ambassador answered that if he would do that, they’d build a magnificent monument to him in Warsaw. He associated with Hitler in his anti-Jew, anti-Semite views completely. And moreover, he promised to build him a monument in Warsaw for persecution of the Jewish people. I must stress here that it is exactly people like this who back then negotiated with Hitler, are exactly these sort of people today that demolish monuments to the Red Army soldiers who liberated the European countries and nations from the Nazis. These are their followers. Unfortunately not much has changed in this regard. And we must have that in view when building our armed forces as well.”

The conversation about the attempts to distort history was continued at the head of state’s meeting with leaders of the Federal Assembly. The Speaker of the Duma promised that the Russian MPs will do everything in order to deliver the truth about the events 80 years ago to their colleagues in PACE and to the parliaments of European countries.

Vyacheslav Volodin – Speaker of the Duma: “Having in mind that at the time Poland de facto associated with fascist Germany, and saw it possible to destroy an entire people by deporting them to Africa, and supported Hitler in it, the Polish leadership would do better to issue an apology for what took place then and for the fact that they have been trying to conceal that, while redirecting the blame to others, inventing something and accusing. This would be at least honest on their part.”

Putin: “I already spoke about this. I only wish to add that the Soviet Union gave assessment to the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. It did it honestly and openly. No one did it but us. The legal basis for cooperation with Nazi Germany of many European states was built starting from 1934. And the absolute majority of leaders of these states had personal meetings with Hitler, and put their signatures under the appropriate documents. Stalin, no matter what you think of him, never stained himself with personal contacts with Hitler. He never met him. While the leaders of many European countries did just that.”

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Craig Mouldey on December 25, 2019 · at 5:43 pm EST/EDT
I hope Russia’s new weapons are as good and reliable as they say. I also hope they never are forced to use them. Given the reckless, arrogant attitude of so many in the west, particularly the core elements of the empire, I’m afraid some of them think Russia is bluffing and their weapons systems don’t work.
Likewise with history, and a history which really isn’t that far back, the war years in Europe. Are these leaders really this ignorant and stupid or are they playing the NAZI propaganda game ‘tell a lie once and it remains a lie. Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth’?
If the current trajectory continues, with the empire continuing its bellicose threatening of essentially every country, war cannot be avoided. Einstein is reported to have said essentially ‘I know not what weapons will be used during world war 3. But world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones’.

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Anonymous on December 25, 2019 · at 6:23 pm EST/EDT
It’s a propaganda. Nothing more. Germany believed in a wonder wepon to save them, and we know the result.
Russia is faced with a strategic dilema, surrounded, outnumbered, with no buffer zones, and Navy. Demographicly is no good either, underpopulated, half of the country is empty, targets are concentrated. If those issues are not solved there are no super weapons. Nukes keep Russia safe for now, but for how long … In near future we definitly will see the militarization of space by USA, can the Russian couter this ?

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Reply on December 25, 2019 · at 7:03 pm EST/EDT
Merry Christmas.

‘Why Can’t the Most Lethal Military in History Win its Wars?’

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Marko on December 25, 2019 · at 7:55 pm EST/EDT
Well, you pose valid questions. However, Putin has stated on numerous occasions that he sees no future and/or use of the planet Earth without Russia (I may be paraphrasing a bit). That was said after someone had asked him if Russia would be able to defend itself from another Western onslaught and Russia what would happend if Russia was in danger of being overcome.

I am sure if push come to shove Russia will find a few determined people to launch all the armed nukes and detonate the rest in their silos which would invariably bring destruction to the planet.

Satanists from the West are preparing something. We see Polish, Ukrainian and Georgian fodder being groomed, Orthodox Church is under attack from Croatia, even Serbia, through Montenegro to Ukraine where new NATO Orthodoxy is being created, new winter uniforms being tested, materiel being brought to Russia’s borders and most importantly road networks and other infrastructure are being upgraded across the Balkans which has always been a historical bottleneck for previous invaders. Serbian President has even initiated some sort of NATO Balkan mini Schengen including Serbia, NATO Albania and NATO North Macedonia with a motorway being built from Albanian port of Drac through Serbia and further up North. Serbia is to build that road out of her pockets with the only purpose of that road being ease of access for NATO. Serbia also signed all the NATO protocols allowing for unhindered access of NATO through Serbia and exemption from prosecution. Together with the fact that all other Balkan countries (apart from Bosnia which is a NATO protectorate) are already in NATO, the Balkan rear has been brought to heel.

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Alabama on December 25, 2019 · at 8:15 pm EST/EDT
I’m glad you have such confidence in the U.S. space program, lately it has not had much success, so that would lend its self to a game of catch up as the public debt bomb is also demanding future attention. Spread yourself to thin and problems mount faster than they can be addressed.

This country has a mountain of troubles about to cascade downward, and any one of them could toss a monkey wrench into the space weapons programs financial ambitions, not to mention the technical aspects of space wars.

We strive to reach peace not b/c it is easy, but b/c it is hard.

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The Saker on December 25, 2019 · at 8:44 pm EST/EDT
You might want to use your head before posting, really!
Hitler spoke of A “Wunderwaffe” while listening to the Soviet artillery pounding Berlin. Hardly the situation Putin or Russia are in.
You might also want to watch the videos of US generals in Congress admitting that they have nothing to counter these weapons (unless, of course, they also “Putin agents” like, apparently, anybody with an IQ above 100…)
Re-read your post: all it is is a sequence of slogans, nothing more.
Frankly, you should go back to your TV and not comment on issues you truly and most obviously nothing absolutely nothing about.

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The Saker on December 25, 2019 · at 8:46 pm EST/EDT
Oh, and one more thing: when is the last time the US won a war against an adversary which could fight back? In contrast, the USSR defeated about 80% of the entire Nazi war machine.
Just saying…

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Depth Charge on December 26, 2019 · at 5:23 am EST/EDT
They keep citing the Gulf War but in reality 80% of Saddam’s forces fled north into Iraqi urban centers waiting (and ready to fight) an attempt at regime change there and then. Only two Republican Guard divisions really locked horns with the ‘coalition’ and they (for example Tawakalna) were outnumbered 15:1. The other six RG divisions waited in the playground for the fight but the bully/ies did not show up.

In reality a ‘coalition’ of 32 countries attacked a country of 18 million and even then did not have the balls to finish the job and fight the main event.

Declare victory and leave, LOL.

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zoobal on December 25, 2019 · at 9:11 pm EST/EDT
To Anonymous
Remember show Syria was “surrounded ” and Natzo could not even see how Russia Fights. Electronic warfare blinded their asses 300km up and down . Be foolish to wage a war against Russia and it will be mincemeat everywhere . Hasbara GMO brain is not going to catch up anytime soon.
Sheeshah is done ….
Natzo cannot see or hear and did not stop Russia from listening and warning Erdogan . Hypersonics will never allow a fleet to get close. Sheeshah is looking for dupes to fight but there are none .Do you know anything about Debaltsevo ? Debaltsevo means that they will be no Orcland and Idlib (Syria) will be mincemeat soon just like the hordes of Yankee jihadistes at Aleppo.

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Tiu on December 26, 2019 · at 3:16 am EST/EDT
You’ve been watching CNN again haven’t you?

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Dsn on December 26, 2019 · at 8:45 am EST/EDT
Russia has more advanced space tech than anyone else, that’s why ONLY Russia takes humans to the ISS

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Mikhail on December 26, 2019 · at 11:04 am EST/EDT
…turn off your TV set for a year at least, and get better info… Wink
Happy New Year, BTW..! Smile

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francis m reps on December 25, 2019 · at 6:51 pm EST/EDT
A small ; but rather “glaring” omission in President Putin’s presentation about the Hitler , Ribbentrop pact lies in the Historical Fact that Hitler would never have Invaded Poland { based on a flimsy Nazi “False Flag” excuse of a Polish incursion into Germany } if Hitler did not have Stalin’s assurances that the Soviet Union would not interfere. The Nazi Invasion of Poland from the West was coordinated with the Soviet Invasion of Poland from the East. World War Two was the result of a ” Falling out betweenThieves”…… between Germany and the Soviet Union. If Hitler did not get the green light from the Soviets to Invade Poland as well as Soviet promises not to assist those Western Nations that the Nazis were planning to invade ; does any intelligent person really think that Work War Two would even have started ?. Keep in mind that the so called “Great Patriotic War” was started at the time that the Soviet Union was occupying a portion of a Poland , in cooperation with the Nazis ; way before Operation Barbarossa. A Tragedy lies with the innocent victims of the psychopathic leaders of “both” Countries

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Стивен on December 25, 2019 · at 11:51 pm EST/EDT
You have a few “glaring” omissions of your own, try

Polish-Soviet War (1919-21) Polish invasion of the Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania.
German–Polish Non-Aggression Pact (January 26, 1934)
Anglo-German Naval Agreement (18 June 1935)
Annexation of Czechoslovakia by Germany, Poland and Hungary (1938-9)
German–Danish Non-Aggression Pact (May 31, 1939)
German–Estonian Non-Aggression Pact (June 7, 1939)
German–Latvian Non-Aggression Pact (June 7, 1939)
and finally
German–Soviet Non-Aggression Pact (23 August 1939)
after a refusal by France and Britain to enter into a anti-Nazi alliance with the Soviet Union.

Poland was an aggressor with dreams of a “Greater Poland” and karma caught up with it.

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Anaam on December 26, 2019 · at 12:44 am EST/EDT
Exactly right Steven. Poland (political class) has a track record being the perennial backstabber that gets backstabbed itself through its own utter stupidity, petty ambitions, and misplaced sentiments. They suffer from the self delusion that they were victims and persecuted, when, in fact, they weren’t victims but losers in a fight to achieve illegitimate gain at the expense of others.

Look at the absolutely idiotic way Poland is once again whoring itself and it’s young men to potentially die just to curry favor with a larger power (in the futile hope that their own petty ambitions will be fulfilled by their big brother). When the time comes for Poland to receive their reward for serving the latest big brother, they’ll be get the same thing they always got: abandonment and betrayal (like Neville chamberlain et al); ie. Well deserved Karma.

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Fog of War on December 26, 2019 · at 9:31 am EST/EDT
Стивен:

Its nice to have opinions but one must also pay attention to historical facts. Both Poland and the Soviet Union invaded what we now call ” the Ukraine “, which according to many is not even a valid country. The Soviets had a clear agenda to invade the Ukraine, then Poland, and finally march west. They are not innocent saints as Putin is trying to portray. Poland and Russian anonymity goes back centuries, Poland invaded Russia at some points and Russia eagerly ” partitioned ” Poland at other times.

As the saying goes ” those without sin cast the first stone. ”

” Poland’s Chief of State, Józef Piłsudski, felt the time was right to expand Polish borders as far east as feasible, to be followed by a Polish-led Intermarium federation of Central and Eastern European states, as a bulwark against the re-emergence of German and Russian imperialism. Vladimir Lenin saw Poland as the bridge the Red Army had to cross to assist other Communist movements and bring about more European revolutions. By 1919, Polish forces had taken control of much of Western Ukraine, emerging victorious from the Polish–Ukrainian War. The West Ukrainian People’s Republic, led by Yevhen Petrushevych, had tried to create a Ukrainian state on territories to which both Poles and Ukrainians laid claim. In the Russian part of Ukraine Symon Petliura tried to defend and strengthen the Ukrainian People’s Republic but as the Bolsheviks began to win the Russian Civil War, they started to advance westward towards the disputed Ukrainian territories, causing Petliura’s forces to retreat to Podolia. By the end of 1919, a clear front had formed as Petliura decided to ally with Piłsudski. Border skirmishes escalated following Piłsudski’s Kiev Offensive in April 1920. “

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Curious on December 27, 2019 · at 8:57 am EST/EDT
Don’t make assumptions

https://www.stalkerzone.org/myth-peddlers-invented-a-new-russophobic-f alsehood/

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joaopft on December 25, 2019 · at 8:03 pm EST/EDT
Putin is right, and it is well known that it was the Munich Accord (between Hitler, Chamberlain and Daladier) that precipitated the 2nd World War. Churchill explains it, and Hitler’s memos confirm it. After Munich, Hitler became convinced that France and Britain became spineless. That the Western powerd had little desire desire to open war with Germany, and preferred that Germany and Russia destroyed each other. Hitler even gambled that the invasion of Poland would not spark open war with the West. Only when the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was signed, the French realized Hitler wanted to avenge the Versailles humiliation, before setting his sights on either Britain or Russia.

Actually, while the panzer divisions were occupied with Poland, France could have acted on its declaration of war and attack the (in 1939) lightly defended border with Germany. Why have the French failed to do it, and instead went on with the “strange war”? It was strange because there were no shots fired before the Nazis struck France, in 1940.

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Makedonia on December 25, 2019 · at 8:21 pm EST/EDT
Only a formal alliance between Russia and China and other friendly Nations can guarantee their security. I wrote this as a comment in another article. It seems most here believe that a formal alliance between the two is not necessary but I am still not convinced by their reasons. All I see is things getting worse and worse which could tragically lead to serious conflict. They key is to prevent this from happening. Continually turning the other cheek and being overly diplomatic only encourages the for.

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Makedonia on December 25, 2019 · at 11:17 pm EST/EDT
Excuse the error of the last two words of my comment. Should be …encourages the for more.

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Makedonia on December 26, 2019 · at 12:13 am EST/EDT
Oops mistake again. Should be … encourages the foe more. Sorry guys.

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augusto on December 26, 2019 · at 8:16 am EST/EDT
Yeah, i partially agree with you on the ‘need of a formal alliance’ between the dragon and the bear.
But if this is deemed by both as an unnecessary step – it indeed might be just for the time being.
Figure out that nothing prevents them from signing a secret memo of understanding that the alliance will be inked at once IF a major event or a major agression turns real against any of them.

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Georg on December 26, 2019 · at 6:45 pm EST/EDT
@ augusto

“… the alliance will be inked at once IF a major event or a major aggression turns real against any of them …”

A “major aggression” these days means: a sudden all-out nuclear attack. One is talking here about seconds and minutes, hardly a time-frame for “inking” any alliance, wouldn’t you agree?

Not to mention the obvious, that a chief purpose of any public, undisguised formal alliance is prevention of aggression.

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Anonymous on December 26, 2019 · at 12:08 am EST/EDT
Of course it is a propaganda.
Soviet Union did have a need to go around and “trumpet”, we have this and that, they kept it a secret ( or at least tried). because they had no need, a nation was well placed strategically with buffer zones like East Germany, Baltic states, Georgia, Kazakhstan … They are all gone now, and they changed hands. it’s a such a precarious and disastrous loss for Russia, that future generations will pay the price should the WW3 break out.
I am not saying that those Russian wonder weapons do not exist, I am saying that they would not have desired an effect to win the war (other than destroy some targets ). german had V rockets, Me 262. Did they saved them ? No. because they strategic situation was hopeless, outnumbered, they were loosing buffer zones … Today Russia’s saviour is only Nukes, and propaganda.
If the war comes, there won’t be any opportunity to relocate the industry beyond Ural, there won’t be beneficial to rise new armies from peasants, because WW3 will be fought only with professional forces. do you really believe in rolling western tanks across the Russian plains. it will not happen, they will bomb everything in numbers (from the air and sea and space ) until nothing is left, after that we might see the tanks. but before they will try to ignite an internal bomb – minority muslim population.

One of the reasons why Putin is friendly and polite with the West, because he’s knows that well, and as long as there is 5th column inside Russia, Russia will not be attacked, that’s why he’s not getting rid of them. Someone else mention here an alliance with China, and he’s right, but it will never happen, because nor Russia nor China want it.

Why Can’t the Most Lethal Military in History Win its Wars?’

The last patriotic war was WW2, and if WW3 comes, that would be the first patriotic war since WW2.

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Anonymous on December 26, 2019 · at 12:31 am EST/EDT
Soviet Union did have a need – Soviet Union did NOT have a need.

I apologize for mistake, and please forgive me for my broken English

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Dr. NG Maroudas on December 26, 2019 · at 1:12 am EST/EDT
@Anon (the one who apologized for his broken English).

Rather you should apologize for your broken logic. The Anglo Zio Capitalist armies only “won” Western Europe in WW2 because they were only fighting 20% rump of Hitler’s Wehrmacht armed with laughably non-nuclear missiles and manned by press-ganged schoolboys; 80% bulk of Wehrmacht men and materials having been chewed up by the fearsome Russian bear. Since then “our irresistible armed might” of EU$A has lost wars against little countries like Korea, Iceland, Cuba, Vietnam, Lebanon, Iran, Syria and Crimea.

Your AZC propagandists dare not cross swords with Russia except in their dreams of grandeur. You are suffering from Napoleonitis. Sleep well. If real modern nuclear war comes to a shopping mall near you, you will never even wake up from that sweet dream.

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Anonymous on December 26, 2019 · at 4:43 am EST/EDT
Sleep well. If real modern nuclear war comes to a shopping mall near you, you will never even wake up from that sweet dream.

I will keep dreaming. I feel very safe, today and in the future. In fact I might quicker run out of water than smell your nuclear waste.

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nobody on December 26, 2019 · at 1:21 am EST/EDT
Which(WWII) the USA did NOT win, once again that must be reminded to you. The Soviet Union won it, both in Europe and the Pacific.
So once again, try to answer the question: Why the “strongest military in the world” cant win a single war?
No wonder you are Anonymous. All you got is propaganda yourself. All your points are fake and easily refuted.

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Nussiminen on December 26, 2019 · at 1:20 am EST/EDT
”/…/ the Polish leadership would do better to issue an apology for what took place then and for the fact that they have been trying to conceal that, while redirecting the blame to others, inventing something and accusing. This would be at least honest on their part.”

Polish nationalism and honesty/decency are mutually exclusive, period. Nazi concentration camps, CIA torture dungeons, and Vatican sponsored ”trade unions” show convincingly what Russia is up against. Good that Russia and her leadership understand history and have the resources to keep the enemy in check.

Now, watch Gownopolska throw endless temper tantrums for being (correctly) found out inventing things and accusing others. Refined amusement guaranteed!

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Harry_Red on December 26, 2019 · at 1:31 am EST/EDT
Maybe the Saker or others who are knowledgable on weapons systems and their production can answer some of my questions:

When a new weapon like the Kinzhal or Avangaurd is added to the arsenal, how long does it realistically take for it to be mass produced and introduced into the armed forces in the required quantities needed for strategic or tactical deployment ? Including the training of personnel needed to deploy these weapons ?

Is it an issue of a few months or more like 2 to 5 years (short to mid-term planning) for example ? Or are these weapons announced after they have been fully deployed in sufficient quantities ?

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Anonymous on December 26, 2019 · at 2:55 am EST/EDT
I think the doctrine of ‘mass produce’ is old school… but let’s hear from the experts! Love Saker or others to share their views here !

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Auslander on December 26, 2019 · at 4:27 am EST/EDT
‘Mass production’ is a misnomer, Russia builds what she needs and continues to build what she needs in the way of disposable ordinance. She will not produce ten thousand Kinzals unless she needs them, but she will build Kinzal as the forces expand and ordinance is consumed in training and testing.

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Harry_Red on December 26, 2019 · at 6:15 am EST/EDT
Sure, “mass production” is definitely not the right term in this case Smile …..still curious at the quantity required and the time-line to produce them, especially in the case of such advanced systems. I find logistics in these cases very fascinating.

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Auslander on December 26, 2019 · at 11:27 am EST/EDT
Can’t even guess guess as to time line, such info is secret. I do know the factories are locked down tighter than Aunt Ksenya’s chastity belt.

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The Saker on December 26, 2019 · at 10:23 am EST/EDT
As far as I remember,
The Kalibrs have been mass deployed on many platforms already.
The Zircons are currently being deployed with the Russian Navy.
The Kinzhals are deployed already in at least three locations: Crimea, Kola Peninsula, Russian Pacific Coast.
The Avangards are have just begun deployment.
The Bastions are deployed in Crimea and the Baltic (iirc)
The Sarmat is being loaded up in silos.
The Pereswets are also already deployed (to protect road mobile ICBMs)
The Burevestnik is in a late stage of testing
So except for the Burevestnik, they are all in various stages of actual deployment

And, please keep in mind that the Russian nuclear triad (I am talking pre-Avangard) is already 80% made up of new modern systems and is far more modern than the US one.

The truth is that right now, at the start of 2020, Russia is fine ready for any war the Empire might consider while the US can’t even deal with Venezuela (nevermind Iran, China or Russia).

In purely military terms, it’s over for the Empire (and we didn’t even discuss the conventional ground and aerospace forces!).
My 2cts

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Harry_Red on December 26, 2019 · at 12:59 pm EST/EDT
Thanks for that interesting list Saker. So it seems that the time between testing and deployment is pretty rapid relatively speaking, obviously with a considerable amount of time and resource spent in the development stages.

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MC on December 26, 2019 · at 1:54 pm EST/EDT
I love your comments, Shaker! Your information — so important and fascinating — just reaffirmed my belief in Russia, the saviour of hope. Thanks.

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Bosnian Croat on December 26, 2019 · at 2:16 am EST/EDT
All this is important, but a few days ago Putin said the important thing I mentioned before – now one of the most important tasks is to raise the wages and incomes of the population. Russia must reach the European Union average in these categories.

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Auslander on December 26, 2019 · at 2:26 am EST/EDT
I’ve read VVP’s speakings on the subject of modern armaments wherein he in essence reiterated what he said earlier this year. He is not bragging, he is stating fact as a warning to Foggy Bottom and her hopeless minions in europe, nippon and oz.

One thing I have discovered is when President Putin states that this weapon system or that weapon system is ‘under final development and testing and will go in service at ‘x’ time’, in my opinion the reality is the weapon systems are already entering service, the troops involved in their operation having already been trained and are going active. SehSha can not help but be aware of this fact.

Russia and her populace has not forgotten the horrors of two wars and a culture devastating revolution in one century. We are still digging up soldiers from both sides in this berg from the last war and tragically during the explorations and diggings we also find victims of the revolution. President Putin has been very clear that Russia will never again be the scene of war, and what he is stating is that if someone wants to go to war with Russia, that someone will have devastation and destruction the likes of which they have never seen. Will Russia go nuke at the outset of an attack? I doubt it, and if one bothers to look at the map, Russia has on the ‘west front’ buffers through which advancing armies will have to pass before they get to Russia herself, Byelorus, Orcland and Tribaltica. Finland doesn’t count and Turkei knows she is looking down the barrel of a gun very close across the Black Sea.

My thoughts are if hostilities do start, the east, south and left coast of SehSha will be visited by enough conventional armed cruise missiles to destroy the all important civilian transportation hubs and utility complexes that feed the seething cities in same. In three days, if that long, the cities will be without food, water, electric, sewer and natural gas and that will be the end of SehSha as the populace rapidly devolves in to ‘sauvez-vous!’ as they fight each other for sustenance. Of course the military bases will also be visited, but in all probability the main attack will be against civilian infrastructure which in and of itself will sow discourse and panic in the echelons of the armed forces as the military is torn between doing their duty to Foggy Bottom or leaving to succor their families which are in a panic stricken frenzy to save themselves.

One can only hope that sane heads, if there are any, in Foggy Bottom and Five Points will prevail and stop this headlong rush to war. Europe and nippon don’t count in the least, all this turmoil and danger is coming directly from Foggy Bottom. However, I did review during research for my books an interview General Dunnsford had with some aging fop in either Senate or Congress couple years ago, back when some idiots were demanding a ‘no fly’ zone for Syria and above the Russian air force efforts. The look on Dunnsford’s face when he told the moron that to do so would lead to instant war with Russia and it wasn’t in his realm of responsibility to initiate that war said it all….as did the face of recipient of that statement. Fear instantly came to my mind.

Bottom line, all we can do is hope and pray for peace…..and prepare for war, which is exactly what President Putin is doing, praying and bargaining for peace while preparing the iron fist of Russia in case these efforts come to naught.

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subhuti37 on December 26, 2019 · at 12:06 pm EST/EDT
Absolutely right. IMO, when Dunsford offered his opinion with the look on his face that you describe, I think that was when the Deep state decided to make sure Hillary would not be elected. The press tone towards her changed after that statement of his.

Also, all Trump supporters should note that Trump’s platform re military was, 1. We should not fight so many wars, and 2. That the military is ‘underfunded’. Translation: I wanna kill lots of people everywhere just like the rest of you, but after 15 years of failure to conquer Afghanistan, 13 year failure in Iraq, the US military is exhausted and needs a rest. And rebuilt. After that we can foment wars again.

And that is pretty much what his actions indicate. On the other hand, some idiots might think that since Trum is a Putin puppet, that Putin is really trying to destroy Russia by manipulating Trump to withdraw from INF, and stage military buildup and provocations on Russia’s border, as did Hitler. Putin wants Trump to attack Russia. That is the logic of those who think Trump is a puppet of Putin.

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Auslander on December 26, 2019 · at 2:11 pm EST/EDT
subhuti37

The look on Dunnsford’s face was pure fear, he had looked in to the abyss and it shook him to his very soul, and the politician who asked him the question quite clearly saw that look and his face also showed fear, real fear. On such small moments in time disasters are sometimes averted.

Auslander

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harry on December 26, 2019 · at 1:26 pm EST/EDT
@Auslander: “SehSha can not help but be aware of this fact.”

What is SehSha, please? Are your average readers really supposed to know such things?

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Auslander on December 26, 2019 · at 2:04 pm EST/EDT
Harry,

США, pronounced ‘SehSha’, USA. My average readers in general know this term that I use. Perhaps once in a while I should put in my scribblings ‘SehSha, США, aka USA’.

Auslander

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Anonymous on December 26, 2019 · at 2:05 pm EST/EDT
Also please what are SehSha, Foggy Bottom and Five Points? Thanks.

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Nussiminen on December 26, 2019 · at 2:34 am EST/EDT
@Anaam

Correct, and it should be added also that an essential part of their petty ambitions actually amounts to being a despicable lackey in the service of the great and glorious West. With Putin at the helm of Russia, Poland can forget about her own land-grabbing designs there (Ukraine looks way more promising in this regard). So for Poland it is the despicable lackey show for now, such as signing up for grossly over-priced American ”freedom gas”, LOL.

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Nussiminen on December 26, 2019 · at 3:56 am EST/EDT
”We didn’t have the strategic air force. The Soviet Union had to catch up. The first intercontinental missiles too were not created by us. The Soviet Union had to catch up.Today we have a unique situation in our recent history. It is us who they try to catch up with.”

Putin, you get out of Crimea without further ado. Or what does Craig Murray have to say on the subject?

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Chairman Meow on December 26, 2019 · at 4:47 am EST/EDT
Heres how the Australian state broadcaster reported Putin’s statement,

“President Vladimir Putin claims Russia is the only country in the world that can deploy hypersonic weapons, which places it ahead of its arch-foe, the United States, for the first time in modern history.

Key points:Hypersonic weapons travel more than five times the speed of sound, and may evade surveillance
Mr Putin said Russia found itself in a “unique” position in its modern history
Australia and US researchers are helping both countries bridge the technological gap…”

and how they spun Russias reasoning,

“Mr Putin said NATO’s presence near its western borders and the US withdrawal earlier this year from the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces treatywere some of Russia’s top security threats.

He argued that because of this strategic context, Russia must have the best weapons in the world.

“It’s not a chess game where it’s OK to play to a draw,” he said.

“Our technology must be better. We can achieve that in key areas and we will.”

This strategic imperative was picked up by a US Congressional research paper on hypersonic weapons from September, which noted that if Washington didn’t respond, it would mean American missiles could “simply be intercepted” in time.”

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11826940

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George Kovachev on December 26, 2019 · at 5:07 am EST/EDT
If the history is any indication, when the russians are pushed, they tend to push back. HARD.

That reminds me of a joke:

During an episode of unprecedented stupidity (more stupidier than usual), the american politicians decided to launch a war against Russia. However, one of them (slightly smarter than usual) said:
– Hey, a lot of other people waged war on russuans. Perhaps it’s a good idea to ask them when to start the war.

They asked the french, and the french answered them:
– Well, we attacked during the winter, and they kicked our asses out of their country in a relatively short order. It’s not a good idea to attack them during the winter.

Then, they asked the germans, and the germans answered:
– We attacked during the summer, and they kicked our asses back to Berlin. It’s not a good idea to attack them during the summer.

The americans decided to ask the chinese – being so cozy with the russian lately, they could probably offer more recent insight on the matter. The chinese answered:
– The best time to attack is right now.

Pleased with the answer, the americans continued with their preparations, until the same smart guy decided to ask:
– But why now? The other guys said it’s a bad idea to attack the russians.

The chinese answered:
– Well, the russians are continuing the development of Siberia, soon they’ll start doing the same with the Arctic. They’ll need a lot of P.O.W. for the work force…

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Nussiminen on December 26, 2019 · at 8:23 am EST/EDT
Haha, good one even though obese Pindos would require a considerable amount of training. LGBTQ Euro-trash would seem even less apt 😁

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Kapetan Brina on December 26, 2019 · at 10:01 am EST/EDT
Im really hyped about Peresvet laser…anybody have any info how this weapon works?
Could its laser beam reach space..to take down satelite or something.
Im sure Russians will find decent name for all ships and systems but please consider the name of forgoten soldier:
4 times hero of Soviet union,
Marsal Georgij Konstantinovic Zukov

If anybody is still waiting to see ww3, please go to see your doctor…
Surovaja Russ can come to your home anytime Wink

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mundanomaniac on December 26, 2019 · at 12:26 pm EST/EDT
4 times hero of Soviet union,
Marsal Georgij Konstantinovic Zukov

He was a trained furrier before joining the Army. He was a humble master of recon, skill and
common sense and on October 8. 1941 he was endowed with the western front defending Moscow, after
coordinating the defense of Leningrad, and one year later co-invented and organized “Uranus”
the strategic cauldron of Stalingrad.

Unfortunately his “Memories and Thoughts” are not available in English. Maybe by a Russia Printer?

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Wikispooks on December 26, 2019 · at 11:20 am EST/EDT
I rate President Putin as a statesman, pre-eminent among the current crop of world leaders and especially so among those of the Western so-called ‘Community of Nations’, not one of whom can hold a candle to him. The fundamental reason for this (it seems to me) is that ALL western leaders – bar none – are so clearly the mere puppets of a nascent ‘Globalized Deep State’ (GDS), selected only for the reliability of their loyalty to its official narratives and major policy prescriptions. The GDS itself is probably better characterized by the much older term: ‘Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy’ (JMC) which has hardly looked back in its insidious progress since about the middle of the eighteenth century. which

Putin is certainly not immune to JMC power, blandishments, seductions and threats either. He (and Russia if it is to remain a truly sovereign state) knows that he cannot afford to be, since he clearly has a pretty good understanding of its influence on the defining events of the past 300 years or so himself.

Unfortunately, in order to ‘rally his troops’ so to speak, all this leads him to some egregious interpretations of that history. I am referring in this case to his remarks about Poland viz-a-viz its 1930’s Jewish population. The Polish authorities certainly did feel oppressed by them, as did the Germans and Tzarist Russia before them (think ‘Pale of Settlement’ eg) – but all of them with ample reason. Stalin himself woke up to it at around the same time and started purging them, as have hundreds of states principalities and city states throughout the past 2,000 years – until post WWII of course, when the JMC police finally succeeded in making almost any reference to the facts (other than to present World Jewry as history’s eternal victims) totally taboo. Putin himself has very publicly opined that 80%+ of the Bolshevik leadership was Jewish too, but given the vastness of the genocide they perpetrated against ordinary Russians, their churches and pastors he appears to be largely immune to its implications for Russia’s future.

It is notable than none of the comments before this post (that’s 38 at time of posting. Make any reference to this elephant in the room either. It ‘aint going to go away though. If nothing else Putin’s amazing political gymnastics over the Zionist State should make that obvious.

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Stefan Ratkiewicz on December 26, 2019 · at 5:07 pm EST/EDT
Very well said and a nadir at the historical truth that has been intentionally manipulated to protect the disgusting perpetrators. I am not against the fall of the Soviet Union but by the way it collapsed. I was never a fan of Stalin but I don’t disagree with his plan for the last purge.

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William H Warrick III MD on December 26, 2019 · at 1:35 pm EST/EDT
I did a search and the only stories were in real Alt Media sites. Nothing in the MSM. Its a total Blackout and the previous Anti-War Democrat Party wants war with them AND China at the SAME TIME! They think wars from Space will make us victorious, meanwhile China shot down a orbiting satellite several years ago and we need Russian rockets to get to the Space Station. That is how clueless they are. This is exactly what Reagan’s CIA director William Casey said when he took office. Barbara Honegger was there. She spoke at 7th Annual Dallas JFK Conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm2JlqAVInQ&feature=youtu.be

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William H Warrick III MD on December 26, 2019 · at 1:42 pm EST/EDT
There was nothing on the opening of the rail link on the Kerch Strait Bridge either.

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Stefan Ratkiewicz on December 26, 2019 · at 3:18 pm EST/EDT
Who started WWII ? In a nutshell the Banksters. The same ones that financed the National Socialists ,the same ones that paid off Winston Churchill , the same ones that advised FDR and the same ones that supplanted Russia and murdered the Romanov’s. Why ? because war was the easiest way to make money but more importantly to Bankrupt the Governments , therefore rendering the Governments dependant on the Banksters for financing. The US withheld the longest , it wasn’t until the GWOT that the US become massively indebted beyond recovery. What we are witnessing now is a sort of Weimar Republic on steroids and it works because of the US reserve currency status and the Barrel of a big Gun. Therefore blaming Poland or Russia or Germany is a waste of time and one hell of a distraction. Yes President Putin was referring to Madagascar and who remembers the MS St-Louis it wasn’t heading for Africa. Pacts there were many and mostly useless all kinds were signed but to what end ? It sure as hell didn’t help Poland or Russia for that matter. The one pac that matters for the Ziocons is AIPAC.

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Anonymous on December 26, 2019 · at 10:30 pm EST/EDT
Resettlement of Jews to Africa was initially a Zionist proposal as a temporary solution until their ‘return’ to Palestine. Similar plans envisaged their relocation in Australia and Argentina.
See “The Uganda Scheme” the plan in the early 1900s to give a portion of British East Africa to the Jewish people as a homeland. It drew support from Theodor Herzl, a prominent Zionist, as a temporary refuge for European Jews facing antisemitism” (actually ‘Russian’ Jews, fleeing ‘pogroms’).
The idea of resettling Jews in Madagascar is old and brewed in England in the soup of ‘British Israelism’ and the Lost Ten Tribes. For example:
“Samuel Copland in 1822 [A History of the Island of Madagascar] wrote that “The origin of the Madegasses, is, by the generality of writers, ascribed to the Jews: this idea is founded on the universal practice of circumcision amongst them, and from the title of “Descendants of Abraham” having been assumed by the inhabitants of St. Mary’s Isle, and the coast opposite. … the ark was in existence in Ham’s time, and for many ages after, and consequently his children had a model to work by. It is certain, that the children of Japheth peopled the islands in the Mediterranean, as early as Abraham’s time; and the children of Ham also were dispersed abroad, round the coasts of Africa; from whence, supposing them to possess the art of ship-building, they might easily transport themselves to Madagascar…. The thunders of Sinai have never awed their minds into obedience; nor has the persuasive voice of the Redeemer of mankind ever melted their hearts with divine love; yet, in the midst of an accumulating mass of error and superstition, we find them adhering, with inflexible constancy, to the grand principle on which all true religion is founded—the acknowledgment of one God, to the exclusion of idols… ”

The first proposal to send Jews to Madagascar belongs to the German Biblical scholar Paul de Lagarde (1827-1891), whose writings were a major influence on Hitler. Lagarde was driven by religious and political apocalypticism and his anti-Christianism was as fanatical as his anti-semitism. His ideas were embraced by British, Dutch, and Polish antisemites since the Great War. It was later touted by a wide range of politicians and anti-Semitic figures across Europe, some of whom subscribed to the belief that the Jews were the ancestors of the island’s Malagasy natives. Zionists caught up with the idea as well. In his book, “In the Shadow of Zion: Promised Lands Before Israel,” Adam Rovner discusses the Freeland League, an offshoot of the Zionist movement that in the 1930s attempted to advance Madagascar as one of several options outside of Palestine for Jewish settlement, especially as the atmosphere in Europe became increasingly hostile to Jews.
In fact it was a collaboration between Nazis and Zionists. Think of the ‘Lublin Reservation’ plan which was in fact a push to return the ‘Eastern’ Jews back to where they were coming from (the former ‘Pale of Settlement’). At the time the British newspaper ‘The Times’ noted that the German plan to create a Jewish state was cynical! Indeed, “The Lublin Reservation was slated to be “a Jewish state under German administration”!(@https://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word% 20-%205965.pdf). History should be re-written.

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The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb First Printing Edition
by Gar Alperovitz (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Decision-Use-Atomic-Bomb/dp/067976285X



I deem Alperovitz's book best written on the nuclear bombing of Japan.

History of World War II-serious reader knows -is riddled with myths,controversies.For a long time events building up to nuclear bombing of Hiroshima,Nagasaki were shrouded in mystery.However this book has shed lot of light on the subject thanks to author's access to some confidential documents,files, memos now declassified under FOIA .Based on this author has argued that nuclear bombing was wholly unwarranted in effecting Japan's surrender.

Because Japan by July 1945-as expert opinion shows-was defeated.American land ,naval forces were few hundred miles away from home islands.Situation was desperate; Tokyo intiated diplomatic moves to end the war.With Emperor's blessings Foreign minister Shigemitsu Togo tried to find out through Japanese ambassador in Moscow wheather Russia was willing to help Japan bring about peace.Thanks to intelligence derived from Purple decrypts Americans knew Japan's plight.However they were few stumbling blocks.One was Tokyo's desire to preserve Emperor.

If President Truman had clarified the proposition that by unconditional surrender he meant Japanese armed forces and not the royalty, Tokyo would have capitulated.Such course of action apart from ensuring Japan's surrender would have stopped Soviet entry into Far Eastern war on its tracks.This makes ridiculous official claim that nuclear bombing was essential to hasten Japan's surrender.

Paradoxically, [after nuclear bombing ]US allowed Japanese to retain their emperor.If only President Truman guranteed the safety ,sanctity of the Emperor while issuing Potsdam declaration this terrible human tragedy could have been averted.Unfortunately coming under the baneful influence of his secretay of state Byrnes he botched it.

Concomitantly it also implies despite nuclear bombing Tokyo would have continued to resist to the bitter end if Americans were to dissolve the Imperial House.So the theory that atomic bombing precipitated japan's surrender is a myth.Rather it had more to do with American tussle with Soviet Union for the control of postwar Eastern Europe.By bombing Japan US wanted to send Moscow a strong lesson.

Final section of the book makes a shocking reading.Here author has shown why American public blindly endorsed official version of events.Because during immediate post war years Government was engaged in a massive disinformation campaign.Facts which were not in consonance with official view were either distorted,fudged or suppressed .Striking demonstration of phenomena how facts of history can be molded to serve preconceived aims and objectives of ruling elites.Perhaps President wanted to cover up the fact that he commited dastardly crime that would put even Mongols to shame.

This book is lavishly documented;scrupulously researched.Hence very thick and voluminous.But on the negative side exceedingly
verbose replete with euphemisms.One requires abundant free time
and exceptional interest to finish reading it.so I don't recommend it for casual readers.

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Putin fury: How Russian President slammed US for ‘unjustified’ Hiroshima nuclear strike
VLADIMIR PUTIN and US President Donald Trump have both locked horns over numerous international disputes including ballistic missiles treaties, but it was the deadly atomic bomb strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki which the Russian President focused on as he blasted the US for the “unjustified” World War 2 attack.
By CHARLIE BRADLEY
PUBLISHED: 14:20, Thu, Dec 26, 2019 | UPDATED: 14:35, Thu, Dec 26, 2019

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1221277/putin-news-russian-presid ent-us-unjustified-hiroshima-nuclear-strike-japan-spt

In an end of year press conference in 2017, President Putin was asked whether Russia would step in to help with US-North Korea missile talks, as Washington tried to negotiate for denuclearisation in Pyongyang. While making a scathing assessment on President Trump’s efforts in talks, Mr Putin also lambasted the US for the 1945 strikes on Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

He said: “The United States has already used nuclear weapons against Japan. I do not believe it was justified.

“Now there is absolutely no need for this. It is important to be very careful.”

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occured on the August 6 and August 9, 1945, and preceeded Japan’s surrender on August 15.

The devastating strikes killed between 129,000 and 226,000 people overall, most of whom were civilians.

Over the next two to four months, the effects of the atomic bombings killed between 90,000 and 146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000 and 80,000 people in Nagasaki.

The surrender by Japan effectively ended World War 2, and the use of the two nuclear bombs remain the only uses of such weapons in armed conflict.

However, Mr Putin spent most of him time addressing the issue of North Korea, appearing to hint that he saw the US as hypocritical in its handling of the negotiations with Kim Jong-un.

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Dan Fey (by email) wrote:
The Emperor of Japan tried to surrender to FDR as early as 1936.
Admiral Canaris, head of Abwehr, and General Beck, Chief of the
German Military staff tried to surrender in March of 1939 offering to arrest Hitler to stop the coming war.

But the two men they sent to London were denied any serious attention. Kept waiting for days in Foreign Office corridors.

Admiral Canaris leaked through a Dutch diplomat Hitler's plans to invade Poland. Those plans were then forwarded to the French and British governments. The British government told the Poles not to call up all of their reserves. The Germans might have had better weapons than the Poles but they were greatly out numbered by the combined forces of France and Poland.

Hitler had censored all news of Polish atrocities against German civilians but eventually news would have reached the people andwar would have broken out. Germany had been disarmed after WW I.

In 1935-36 The then Rothschild owned Bank of England loaned Hitler 350 million pounds to buy weapons from Vickers and sufficient feed stocks and equipment from Alfred Mond's Imperial Chemical to re-organize Farben.

Lord Halifax had been sent to Germany to tell Hitler that the British government wanted Hitler to stop Soviet expansionism. This led Hitler to completely fail to understand his situation. He had no friends in England.

On September 1, 1939 Hitler had 1,100 tanks and 10 submarines.

He was not prepared for war. He had concentrated his resources on
German economic recovery centered on creating consumer goods for Germans in the 1936-39 period.

He only planned to start preparing for a war with the Soviets in 1939.

Stalin had 20,000 tanks and 30,000 artillery pieces. The Germans were fortunate that, according to Swedish military observers 60% of Soviet casualties were the result of Russians killing each other.

Germany's lack of preparation for war in the late summer of 1939 meant
that whoever told the Poles to not call up their reserves was playing a long game of protracted war and Soviet expansion.

But FDR was playing the same game in the Pacific. He had accepted the
8 point plan to provoke Japan to war submitted by Lt Commander Arthur H McCollum who had been raised in Asia.

FDR and the Chicago Tribune and Matson Steamship lines knew the Japanese Navy were headed to Pearl Harbor.

He did not tell his commander in Hawaii. He did split his forces and sent all the new ships and airplanes out to sea on patrols half way to Alaska out of harms way on December 7, 1941.


1944

Fast forward to the Fall of 1944 when Japan offered to surrender. The battle of Leyte Gulf was a disaster for the Japanese. They had no means to fight a war except suicide on the mainland. FDR refused their offer to surrender because he also waged war to promote Soviet expansion. Allen Dulles had been sent to Switzerland to refuse all German military attempts to surrender.

The US had played a role in the Soviet revolution. Ferdinand Lundberg told us in his book America's 60 Families that one reason for the US to have 130,000 American soldiers die n the Great War and to have 8,000 blinded was so we could bankrupt Britain, France and Germany.

Another reason was so we could bankrupt Russia and encourage a Communist revolt.

In 1917 Jacob Schiff, a Rothschild partner through Kuhn Loeb Investment Bank gave Trotsky $20 million in gold which he loaded onto a freighter together with 400 Jewish revolutionaries from New York. The ship was stopped by Canadians who knew that these men would be killing soldiers allied with Canada. To let these men pass onto Russia would be an Act of Treason.

Treason was never a barrier to Wilson. He ordered the Canadians to let enemy soldiers on that ship sail onto Russia.


1945 - Hiroshima and Nagasaki

After Truman dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, he created conditions which permitted him to accept the same surrender conditions that FDR had refused after the Battle of Leyte Gulf which occurred before the Russians had expanded into eastern Europe.

The United States has been dedicated to the creation of a One World global government since WW I which in the present day includes financing and
arming Al Qaeda and ISIS.


Osama Bin Laden did not do 911.

How did he take down World Trade Center Tower 7 which was never hit by a plane.

How did Osama take a billion dollars in gold and silver out of two vaults at the WTC in the hours before the controlled demolition of the 3 buildings on 9-11?.

Did Osama also steal the $2.3 trillion from the Pentagon that Donald Rumsfeld had said went missing on CBS Evening News on September 10, 2001?

Why did Osama create the necessary provocations to justify the US and NATO to implement the plans to defend Israel outlined in Oded Yinon's 'A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s'?

American foreign policy is foreign to the interests of Americans. That is why our goal was to bankrupt our Allies in WW I, to continue WW II past the Point where the Japanese Emperor and the German military had offered to surrender.

So what if 58 million common folk died in WW II before the Globalist goal of Soviet expansion had been achieved?


Economic Migrants - trafficked by Organised Crime

The next goal to be fulfilled is overloading the West with migrants so when our economies die from a currency crisis and debt cancellation we can have tens of millions of violent protesters in the streets.

We need division and destabilization in the democracies so we cannot take unified action against those who rule over us and stole money from us by the tens of trillions.

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