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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: King Jacob Rothschild's Family Fortune: way above Rich List Reply with quote

previous title
King Evelyn De Rothschild's Family Fortune - covert power


see also this thread
Rothschild & wife watched 9/11 live from NY flat
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=14875


The Red Symphony, Rothschild-Illuminati leak
9/11 was a small part of a much bigger problem. I thought I'd post some of the most enlightening articles I find on this thread for consideration, clarification and discussion.

Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony"

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
November 09, 2003

Incredible and bizarre as it sounds, humanity is indeed the victim of a diabolical conspiracy.

War, depression and genocide in the past century were not accidental or inevitable but the result of malevolent design.

Shocking evidence is a 1938 Stalinist police (NKVD) interrogation of a founder of the Communist International, Christian G. Rakovsky, 65, who was facing execution for plotting to overthrow Stalin.

The 50-page transcript of his interrogation, dubbed "The Red Symphony," was not meant to become public. It confirms that the Rothschild-Illuminati planned to use Communism to establish a world dictatorship of the super rich.

This is perhaps the most explosive political document in modern history. It reveals why the Illuminati created Hitler and then sought to destroy him, and why Stalin made a pact with Hitler in 1939.

Christian Rakovsky was a veteran Communist insider. Born Chaim Rakeover in 1873, he studied medicine in France before becoming a revolutionary. He was the leader of a terror group that attacked government officials.

In 1919, Lenin put him in charge of the Soviet Ukraine government. He successfully kept the area for the Bolsheviks during the Civil War. Stalin appointed him Russian ambassador to Paris in 1925.

Rakovsky belonged to the powerful Trotskyite faction that took their orders from the Rothschilds. Many of this group were shot in Stalin's 1937 Communist Party purge.


MIDNIGHT INTERROGATION

The circumstances of the midnight interrogation Jan. 26, 1938 were very dramatic.

What could Rakovsky possibly say to save his life?

Rakovsky appears to use the tactic of "deceiving with the truth." He wins trust by revealing the truth but leaves some of it out. He tries to impress his interrogator that he and Trotsky represent an invincible power he calls the "Capitalist-Communist Financial International."

He confirms that the "revolutionary movement" was designed to enlist support by pretending to serve mankind's moral and collective ideals. The real aim however is to give total world power to the bankers by dividing society and undermining established authority.

"Revolution" really means, "overturning" Western civilization.

"Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences," Rakovsky, says. (Griffin, p. 264)

Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution.

Rakovsky, whose tongue was loosened by a mild inebriant in his wine, refers to the Illuminati as "they" or "them." He is a member although not part of the inner circle.

He explains that the "Illuminati" is a Masonic secret society dedicated to Communism. Significantly, its founder Adam Weishaupt took the name from "the second anti-Christian conspiracy of that era, gnosticism." (249)


HOW THIS GRIPPING ACCOUNT SURFACED


The interrogator was one of Stalin's cleverest agents, Gavriil Kus'min known as "Gabriel."

Apart from him and a hidden sound technician, a doctor Jose Landowsky was the only other person present.

Conscripted by the NKVD to help "loosen the tongues of detainees," Dr. Landowsky was sickened by the many tortures he witnessed.

The interrogation of Rakovsky, however, was cordial. Dr. Landowsky doubts if the mild euphoric he put in Rakovsky's drink had much effect.

The interrogation, conducted in French lasted from midnight until 7 a.m. After, Kus'min ordered Landowsky to translate the interview into Russian and make two copies.

The content was so mind boggling that Landowsky made an additional carbon for himself. "I am not sorry that I had the courage for this," he wrote. (279) (The Bolsheviks had shot Landowsky's father, a Tsarist colonel, during the 1917 revolution.)

A Spanish Fascist volunteer later found the manuscript on Landowsky's dead body in a hut on the Petrograd front during World War Two. He took it back to Spain where it was published as "Sinfonia en Rojo Mayo." in 1949.

The complete text of "The Red Symphony" was put online by Peter Myers.

The transcript was published in English in 1968 as "The Red Symphony: X-Ray of Revolution." You can find it in Des Griffin's "Fourth Reich of the Rich." (1988) I recommend this book and everything this fine man has written.


REVELATIONS

Rakovsky gives his interrogator an astonishing inside view of modern history in order to prove that his sponsors control the world.

"Money is the basis of power," Rakovsky says, and the Rothschilds manufacture it thanks to the banking system.

The "Revolutionary Movement" was an attempt by Meyer Rothschild and his allies to protect and extend this monopoly by establishing a totalitarian New World Order.

According to Rakovsky, "The Rothschilds were not the treasurers, but the chiefs of that first secret Communism...Marx and the highest chiefs of the First International ... were controlled by Baron Lionel Rothschild, [1808-1878] whose revolutionary portrait was done by Disraeli the English Premier, who was also his creature, and has been left to us [in Disraeli's novel 'Coningsby.']" (250)

Lionel's son Nathaniel (1840-1915) needed to overthrow the Christian Romanoff Dynasty. Through his agents Jacob Schiff and the Warburg brothers, he financed the Japanese side in the Russo Japanese War, and an unsuccessful insurrection in Moscow in 1905. Then he instigated the First World War (Trotsky was behind the murder of Archduke Ferdinand) ;and financed the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution. Rakovsky says he was personally involved in the transfer of funds in Stockholm. (251-252)

The Jewish labour movement or "bund" was Rothschild's instrument. The Bund's "secret faction" infiltrated all the socialist parties in Russia and provided the leadership for the Russian Revolution. Alexander Kerensky, the Menshevik Prime Minister was a secret member. (253)

Leon Trotsky was supposed to become the leader of the USSR. Trotsky, a Jew, married the daughter of one of Rothschild's closest associates, banker Abram Zhivotovsky and became part of the "clan."

Unfortunately "national" Communists like Lenin (one-quarter Jewish) got in the way. Lenin overruled Trotsky and made peace with Germany (Treaty of Brest Litovsk, 1918.) This was not the Rothschild's plan.

World War One was supposed to end the way the Second World War did. Russia was supposed to overrun Germany in 1918 and assist local "revolutionaries" in establishing a "peoples' republic."

Trotsky was responsible for an attempt to assassinate Lenin in 1918 but Lenin survived. When Lenin had a stroke in 1922, Trotsky had Levin, Lenin's Jewish doctor, finish him off.

At this critical moment, the unexpected happened. Trotsky got sick and Stalin was able to take power. At this crucial juncture, the Trotskyites pretended to support Stalin and infiltrated his regime in order to sabotage it.

Rakowsky characterizes Stalin as a "Bonapartist," a nationalist as opposed to an International Communist like Trotsky.

"He is a killer of the revolution, he does not serve it, but makes use of its service; he represents the most ancient Russian imperialism, just as Napoleon identified himself with the Gauls..." (257)


CONTAINING STALIN

In order to control Stalin, international finance was forced to build up Hitler and the Nazi party. Rakowsky confirms that Jewish financiers backed the Nazis although Hitler was not aware of this.

"The ambassador Warburg presented himself under a false name and Hitler did not even guess his race... he also lied regarding whose representative he was... Our aim was to provoke a war and Hitler was war...[the Nazis] received...millions of dollars sent to it from Wall Street, and millions of marks from German financiers through Schacht; [providing] the upkeep of the S.A and the S.S. and also the financing of the elections..." (259-260)

Unfortunately for the bankers, Hitler also proved intractable. He started to print his own money!

"He took over for himself the privilege of manufacturing money and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones; he took over the untouched machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the state... Are you capable of imagining what would have come ...if it had infected a number of other states and brought about the creation of a period of autarchy [absolute rule, replacing that of the bankers]. If you can, then imagine its counterrevolutionary functions..." (263)

Hitler had become a bigger threat than Stalin, who had not meddled with money. Rakovsky's present mission was to convince Stalin to make a pact with Hitler and turn Hitler's aggression against the West. The purpose was for Germany and the Western nations to exhaust each other before another front was opened in the East.

[According to Walter Kravitsky, the head of Soviet Military Intelligence in Europe who defected to the West and was later assassinated in 1941, Stalin was determined to make a pact with Hitler as early as 1934. He had no desire to fight the Nazis. Is it possible Rakovsky and his sponsors did not know this? Kravitsky On Stalin's Secret Service (1939)]

Rakovsky urged the Russians to use the tactic of "deceiving with the truth." The Russians were to impress Hitler with their genuine desire for peace. Hitler was not to suspect that he was being set up for a war on two fronts.

Stalin was given a choice. If he agreed to divide Poland with Hitler, the West would declare war on only one aggressor, Germany. If he refused, the bankers would allow Hitler to depose him.

Kus'min demanded some high level confirmation. Rakovsky told him to see Joseph Davies, the US ambassador in Moscow, a fellow Freemason and representative of the International Communist Roosevelt administration.

Someone was sent to Davies who confirmed that "much would be gained" if Rakovsky got an amnesty. On March 2, 1938, a powerful radio message was sent to Moscow in the cipher of its London embassy.

"Amnesty or the Nazi danger will increase," it said. Davies attended Rakovsky's trial and gave him a Masonic greeting. On the same day, March 12, 1938, Hitler marched into Austria.

Rakovsky's death sentence was commuted. Some believe he lived out his years under an assumed name. Another source has him shot in 1941.

Secret negotiations were begun with Hitler. The result was the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact signed in August 1939 just one week before the invasion of Poland.

The interrogation seems to have created an accord between Stalin and the Illuminati.


RUSSIA STRUGGLES IN ROTHSCHILD CLUTCH


Europe and the United States long ago succumbed to Rothschild Illuminati control. In Russia, there are still some death spasms.

Recently, Vladimir Putin arrested Mikhail Khordordovsky, the head of Russia's largest oil company "Yukos" and "the richest man in Russia."

Putin announced that Russia would seize his $12 billion 26% stake in the oil company, one of many national assets plundered in the reorganization of Communism 15 years ago.

Then we learn the shares already had passed to none other than banker Jacob Rothschild under a "previously unknown arrangement" designed for such a circumstance. The two have known each other for years "through their mutual love of the arts."

Rakovsky told Kus'min that the Illuminati never take political or financial positions. They use "intermediaries."

"Bankers and politicians are only men of straw.... even though they occupy high places and appear to be authors of the plans which are carried out..." (248-249)

Obviously Khodordovsky is an "intermediary" for Rothschild. So are Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger and Ariel Sharon who each spoke out against Putin's action. Perle, the architect of the Iraq war, called for the expulsion of Russia from the Group of Eight. Sharon expressed concern about "persecution of Jewish businessmen." Khodordovsky is Jewish as is Simon Kukes his successor. And Perle and Kissinger.

Many Jews serve the Illuminati and that is a cause of anti-Semitism. But Tony Blair and George W. Bush serve it too and are not Jewish. The membership of the Bilderbergers and the Skull and Bones is mostly not Jewish. The Illuminati is an alliance between the Rothschilds, and the world's super rich united by Freemasonry, whose God is Lucifer.

Mankind, God's magnificent experiment, has been subverted and compromised. From the U.S. soldier in Iraq, to the taxpayer who pays the national debt, we are all "men of straw."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx for that Kunnandi

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"You cannot subjugate an educated public" Dr John Coleman


David Ickes books confirm your article.

Also check out this latest book (thanx Angela) :-


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_rulebysecrecy .htm

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realise this is a bit off focus 911 but key question raised by this thread:-

Who was Adolf Hitlers father? Official/unofficial version!

And which version is the TRUTH?

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A bit off topic but when you look at history 9/11 is nothing new. When the war is over people will retreat back to their lives and continue to contribute to the underlying problem that allowed 9/11 to happen. The people who orchestrated 9/11 have been pursuing this campaign for hundreds of years. Once we understand the enemy we have a much better chance of winning or at least setting out a long term plan just as they have. The US army has killed millions of people in the last 60 years and nothing has changed. Rothschild and his kind are the real reason that 9/11 could ever happen, we should look at the root causes of the problem too.

War on Terror is Elite Mind Control
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
April 21, 2006
It is more effective to manage society by mind control than by physical
coercion. The events of 9-11 and the "war on terror" mostly are
exercises in mass brainwashing.
German psychiatrist Kurt Lewin, who became director of the
elite-sponsored Tavistock Institute in 1932, developed the thinking
behind 9-11. In the book "Mind Control World Control" (1997) Jim Keith
writes:
"Lewin is credited with much of the original Tavistock research into
mass brainwashing applying the results of repeated trauma and torture
[of individuals] in mind control to society at large."
"If terror can be induced on a widespread basis into a society, Lewin
has stated, then society reverts to a tabula rasa, a blank slate, a
situation where control can easily be instituted from an external
point."
"Put another way: By the creation of controlled chaos, the populace can
be brought to the point where it willingly submits to greater control.
Lewin maintained that society must be driven into a state equivalent to
an 'early childhood situation.' He termed this societal chaos
'fluidity.'" (Page 44)
Elite planners designed Sept. 11 for its shock value. In the aftermath,
they were able to impose a security crackdown, a costly military
build-up and a war in Afghanistan and Iraq on a stunned population.
Keith cites another Tavistock researcher Dr. William Sargent author of
"Battle for the Mind: A Physiology of Conversion and Brain-Washing"
(1957): "Various types of beliefs can be implanted after brain function
has been sufficiently disturbed by ...deliberately induced fear, anger
or excitement." (4Cool
This blueprint was laid out long before Sept. 11, 2001. The official
story of that tragedy doesn't bear scrutiny. There was no wreckage at
the Pentagon. All three buildings were demolished by explosives. Our
"leaders" are accomplices to the murder of over 3000 Americans and the
destruction of an American icon. The plan is to fold the US into a
"world government" controlled by London-based central bankers. Our
cultural, economic and political elite is complicit in the ongoing
cover up.
FUTURE SHOCK
Most political and cultural events are contrived by the elite for their
psychological effect. JFK could have been disposed of in more humane
ways. (He had many health problems.) Instead, for its shock value, they
shot him down , in Mort Sahls' words, "like a dog in the street."
Jim Keith: "The Kennedy assassination was a British Intelligence, i.e.
Tavistock hit, and its purpose was to shock the American consciousness
into a near-comatose state for reprogramming, the standard Tavistock
modus operandi." (p.143)
The same can be said for the assassinations of Martin Luther King and
Robert Kennedy. It all climaxed with the beatings of demonstrators at
the 1968 Chicago Democratic convention. After that, my generation
turned inward as we were programmed to do. "Turn on, Tune in, Drop Out"
said CIA funded pied piper Timothy Leary.
["I mean who was I supposed to work for, the KGB?" Leary quipped.
(Keith p.99) Leary didn't realize that there wasn't a big
difference.]
Many young people became "dead heads" after Jerry Garcia's Grateful
Dead. Keith writes:

"An FBI internal memo from 1968 mentions the employment of the Grateful
Dead as an avenue 'to channel youth dissent and rebellion into more
benign and non-threatening directions.' [They] performed a vital
service in distracting many young persons into drugs and mysticism,
rather than politics." (179)
Keith goes on to document CIA connections to the creation of mind
control cults used to create "controlled chaos." These include the
Symbionese Liberation Army, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Scientology, the
Unification Church, Son of Sam and Heaven's Gate. The John Lennon
assassination also ties in. (183)
To bring the picture up to date, add the murder of Princess Diana,
Columbine, the blowing of the levees in New Orleans, the burning of
Black churches, and the bird flu scare. What we have is an ongoing
secret war by the central bankers against society, a drumbeat of
psychological torture designed to keep society off balance or zoned
out.
THE BITTER TRUTH
The most significant thing about our life is that we are victims of
elite mind control. We have been trained to be apathetic, trivia-minded
and self absorbed. Apart from the political shocks, we are hardly
aware of the vicious attack on our natural heterosexuality by a psy-op
known as "feminism" masquerading as womens rights.
We get our values, identity, meaning and love from our family roles.
Women were brainwashed to abandon the female role and compete for the
male role. A woman who dedicated herself to husband, home and children
was stigmatized. This is part of the long-term elite program to
eliminate the institutions of marriage and family.
According to this web site, "Tavistock Institute has developed such
power in the USA, that no one achieves prominence in any field unless
he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock, or one of its
subsidiaries." Read how Tavistock directs hundreds of elite think tanks
and corporations in the United States. The degree of elite coordination
is breath taking.
For example, Century 21 has a new ad where a real estate agent is
greeting a middle class Chinese couple arriving to settle in America.
The voice-over says something like: "This is the shape of the future.
We are agents of change."
Obviously this ad will not appeal to Americans looking for a realtor.
Rather, it conditions them to embrace immigration. Central banker dupes
and lackeys have used the term "change agents" to describe themselves
for decades.
Mankind is in the grip of a satanic force and is sinking into a coma.
Our "leaders" work for an occult cabal of super rich perverts and
criminals who secretly plot the end of Western Civilization and world
tyranny. They see us as animals to be trained or culled.
The good news is that the animals "owe" them a lot of money for their
fiat currency. So if we can tune out their madness, we can relax. The
chaos is controlled. Wars are all orchestrated and they love money too
much to destroy us, at least not yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think his grandfather was an illigitimate child. His father was called Alois. Hitler tried to hide his family due to inherent mental illness apparently.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: 5 nations left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Reply with quote

5 nations left without a Rothschild controlled central bank:

There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.

Read more here about the The History of the House of Rothschild:
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewcommentary.php?storyid=121
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 5 nations left without a Rothschild controlled central b Reply with quote

Solve et Coagula wrote:
There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.


The so-called Axis of Evil! What a coincidence!
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I see the Goldsmiths and the Rothschilds are in breeding...more zionists brats on the way?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 5 nations left without a Rothschild controlled central b Reply with quote

Doos wrote:
Solve et Coagula wrote:
There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.


The so-called Axis of Evil! What a coincidence!


Only the first 2 were named in Dubya's "axis"
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Central bank websites

(Last update 26 Jul 2006)
Albania: Bank of Albania
Algeria: Bank of Algeria
Argentina: Central Bank of Argentina
Armenia: Central Bank of Armenia
Aruba: Central Bank of Aruba
Australia: Reserve Bank of Australia
Austria: Austrian National Bank
Azerbaijan: National Bank of Azerbaijan
Bahamas: Central Bank of The Bahamas
Bahrain: Bahrain Monetary Agency
Bangladesh: Bangladesh Bank
Barbados: Central Bank of Barbados
Belarus: National Bank of the Republic of Belarus
Belgium: National Bank of Belgium
Belize: Central Bank of Belize
Bermuda: Bermuda Monetary Authority
Bhutan: Royal Monetary Authority of Bhutan
Benin: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Bolivia: Central Bank of Bolivia
Bosnia: Central Bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana: Bank of Botswana
Brazil: Central Bank of Brazil
Bulgaria: Bulgarian National Bank
Burkina Faso: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Cameroon: Bank of Central African States
Canada: Bank of Canada - Banque du Canada
Cayman Islands: Cayman Islands Monetary Authority
Central African Republic: Bank of Central African States
Chad: Bank of Central African States
Chile: Central Bank of Chile
China: The People's Bank of China
Colombia: Bank of the Republic
Congo: Bank of Central African States
Costa Rica: Central Bank of Costa Rica
C?te d'Ivoire: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Croatia: Croatian National Bank
Cuba: Central Bank of Cuba
Cyprus: Central Bank of Cyprus
Czech Republic: Czech National Bank
Denmark: National Bank of Denmark
Dominican Republic: Central Bank of the Dominican Republic
East Caribbean area: Eastern Caribbean Central Bank
Ecuador: Central Bank of Ecuador
Egypt: Central Bank of Egypt
El Salvador: Central Reserve Bank of El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea: Bank of Central African States
Estonia: Bank of Estonia
Ethiopia: National Bank of Ethiopia
European Union: European Central Bank
Fiji: Reserve Bank of Fiji
Finland: Bank of Finland
France: Bank of France
Gabon: Bank of Central African States
The Gambia: Central Bank of The Gambia
Georgia: National Bank of Georgia
Germany: Deutsche Bundesbank
Ghana: Bank of Ghana
Greece: Bank of Greece
Guatemala: Bank of Guatemala
Guinea Bissau: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Guyana: Bank of Guyana
Haiti: Central Bank of Haiti
Honduras: Central Bank of Honduras
Hong Kong: Hong Kong Monetary Authority
Hungary: Magyar Nemzeti Bank
Iceland: Central Bank of Iceland
India: Reserve Bank of India
Indonesia: Bank Indonesia
Iran: The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Iraq: Central Bank of Iraq
Ireland: Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland
Israel: Bank of Israel
Italy: Bank of Italy
Jamaica: Bank of Jamaica
Japan: Bank of Japan
Jordan: Central Bank of Jordan
Kazakhstan: National Bank of Kazakhstan
Kenya: Central Bank of Kenya
Korea: Bank of Korea
Kuwait: Central Bank of Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan: National Bank of the Kyrgyz Republic
Latvia: Bank of Latvia
Lebanon: Central Bank of Lebanon
Lesotho: Central Bank of Lesotho
Libya: Central Bank of Libya
Lithuania: Bank of Lithuania
Luxembourg: Central Bank of Luxembourg
Macao: Monetary Authority of Macao
Macedonia: National Bank of the Republic of Macedonia
Madagascar: Central Bank of Madagascar
Malaysia: Central Bank of Malaysia
Malawi: Reserve Bank of Malawi
Mali: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Malta: Central Bank of Malta
Mauritius: Bank of Mauritius
Mexico: Bank of Mexico
Moldova: National Bank of Moldova
Mongolia: Bank of Mongolia
Morocco: Bank of Morocco
Mozambique: Bank of Mozambique
Namibia: Bank of Namibia
Nepal: Central Bank of Nepal
Netherlands: Netherlands Bank
Netherlands Antilles: Bank of the Netherlands Antilles
New Zealand: Reserve Bank of New Zealand
Nicaragua: Central Bank of Nicaragua
Niger: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Nigeria: Central Bank of Nigeria
Norway: Central Bank of Norway
Oman: Central Bank of Oman
Pakistan: State Bank of Pakistan
Papua New Guinea: Bank of Papua New Guinea
Paraguay: Central Bank of Paraguay
Peru: Central Reserve Bank of Peru
Philippines: Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
Poland: National Bank of Poland
Portugal: Bank of Portugal
Qatar: Qatar Central Bank
Romania: National Bank of Romania
Russia: Central Bank of Russia
Rwanda: National Bank of Rwanda
San Marino: Central Bank of the Republic of San Marino
Samoa: Central Bank of Samoa
Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency
Senegal: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Serbia: National Bank of Serbia
Seychelles: Central Bank of Seychelles
Sierra Leone: Bank of Sierra Leone
Singapore: Monetary Authority of Singapore
Slovakia: National Bank of Slovakia
Slovenia: Bank of Slovenia
Solomon Islands: Central Bank of Solomon Islands
South Africa: South African Reserve Bank
Spain: Bank of Spain
Sri Lanka: Central Bank of Sri Lanka
Sudan: Bank of Sudan
Surinam: Central Bank of Suriname
Swaziland: The Central Bank of Swaziland
Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank
Switzerland: Swiss National Bank
Tajikistan: National Bank of the Republic of Tajikistan
Tanzania: Bank of Tanzania
Thailand: Bank of Thailand
Togo: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Tonga: National Reserve Bank of Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago: Central Bank of Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia: Central Bank of Tunisia
Turkey: Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey
Uganda: Bank of Uganda
Ukraine: National Bank of Ukraine
United Arab Emirates: Central Bank of United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom: Bank of England
United States: Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System (Washington)
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Uruguay: Central Bank of Uruguay
Vanuatu: Reserve Bank of Vanuatu
Venezuela: Central Bank of Venezuela
Yemen: Central Bank of Yemen
Zambia: Bank of Zambia
Zimbabwe: Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe

Source: http://www.bis.org/cbanks.htm
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911 and the Rothschilds?

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2001: On September 11th the attack on the World Trade Center is orchestrated by Britain, America and Israel under the orders of the Rothschilds as a
pretext for removing the liberty of people worldwide in exchange for security, just as they did with the Reichstag fire in Germany where the
citizens were lied to in order to give up liberty for security.

They also will use the attacks to gain control of the few nations in the
world who don't allow Rothschild central banks and so less than one month
after these attacks, US forces attack Afghanistan, one of only 7 nations in
the world who don't have a Rothschild controlled central bank.

One week prior to the WTC attack, the Zim Shipping Company moves out of its
offices in the WTC, breaking its lease and costing the company $50,000. No reason has ever been given, but Zim Shipping Company is half owned by the
State of Israel (The Rothschilds).

2003: The United States invade Iraq which is now one of six nations left in the world who don't have a Rothschild controlled central bank.

2005: On 7 July the London Underground Network is bombed. Israel's Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu is in London on the morning of the attacks in order to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the underground station where one of the blasts occurred, but stayed in his hotel room
instead after he had been informed by Israeli intelligence officials attacks were expected. There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.

Sorry for the length of this, but if I can help just one person make the "connections"--or better , yet--if someone can show this "conspiracy theory" has holes--it's worth it.-- I really would prefer the latter.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The obvious difficulty with blasting "rothschilds",
is that you end up branded either an "anti-semite"
or a historical revisionist.

In my mind the issue of Rothschild complicity in the NWO was
cemented with the article published in the evening standard last
month regarding Nath Rothschild.

To summarise in a couple of sentences to those who haven't
seen it, it said that Nath Rothchild was destined to become
"the richest rothschilds ever", primarily through the same
russian contacts (oligarchs) that his father (Jacob) recently
made money through.

It also managed to totally distort the story of Nathan Rothschild
returning from the battle of Waterloo.

If anyone wants see it I have the full article available to be scanned.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The obvious difficulty with blasting "rothschilds", is that you end up branded either an "anti-semite" or a historical revisionist.


Umm, the usual establishment technique of playing the man and not the ball. Give it no fear comrades in truthseeking.

See how deep the rabbit hole does go when you lift the veil and see through the illusion? Blair and Bush are just puppets, there is a hidden hand!

Some who visit this forum would claim this this information is not relevant.
Check out the information on the following links (thanx to the networking) and if any of it is factually incorrect I would be most interested to know:-


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bloodlines/rothschild.htm

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewcommentary.php?storyid=121

Particularly interesting is the information that Adolf Hitler was a bloodline of the Rothschilds.

Maybe David Icke is telling us the truth after all! Hardly surprising though because he does not appear to have been proven wrong yet. Unless someone can prove otherwise.

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These people and secret societies have EVERYTHING to do with 9/11 and hundreds of years of history. I just read a great article on the jesuits and the black pope well worth a read.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The obvious difficulty with blasting "rothschilds", is that you end up branded either an "anti-semite" or a historical revisionist.


This is true.

The solution, as I see it, in terms of exposing the influence of key families in the history of banking and in turn the influence of banking on the global war racket is to stick 100% to known facts. People, dates, places. The Rothschild's without a shadow of a doubt have been hugely influential in the history of banking and in shaping the current global banking system

There are some excellent resources out there that tell this history without any need to bring in the irrelevent matter of someone's religion into the debate

Some suggested sources

Money Masters transcript

Great article, the paranoid shift

The money masters:

America: Freedom to Fascism movie now available for free on the Internet

A History of money

Chapter 3 from this excellent book (except it shies away from calling it a conspiracy)

and finally just to show how long this racket has been going, War is a racket

IMO 9/11 truth campaigners should link up with other campaigns which they find common cause with, campaigns that are working for social justice. Banking reform has to be at the heart of any meaningful change.

As I try to explain here to me 9/11 is but a catalyst for much wider global transformation or am I being hopelessly optomistic?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See how deep the rabbit hole does go when you lift the veil and see through the illusion? Blair and Bush are just puppets, there is a hidden hand! [/color]


The Rothschilds are puppets too. Anyone with a face known to the public is a puppet. There is somebody behind these people who we have never met. We need to find the source.

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The same people who designed and built the towers also blew the fuchers up...

David Rockefeller
(Founder of the WTC Idea in New York)

The original idea for a world trade center in New York is generally credited to David Rockefeller, one of industrialist John D. Rockefeller's many grandsons. In fact, the idea was proposed soon after World War II, a decade before Rockefeller ever got involved, but he was the one who actually got the ball rolling

Interesting to know
The Rockefellers originally wanted to name the towers after themselves, but the former mayor of NY, John Lindsay, insisted on the World Trade Center.

David Rockefeller was an honorary jury member to decide about the plans for the WTC redevelopment.

A world trade center would bring together people from all over the globe, a noble ideal in the decades following World War II.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: More history on the Rothschilds Reply with quote

More history on the Rothschilds


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6177

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Important backgound info. All truthers should read about the Rothschilds and their associates. What I wonder is - did Meyer himself have the guile to establish this global empire with his sons, or was he given guidance by some unseen hand? If it was all his idea you have to hand it to him - he was a cunning devil.
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This is about an excerpt from a document in another thread
General, mindcontrol fact or fantasie?

About Alexander Rothschild
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for1.html
indyshometown wrote: Hi,
> Would you take a look at this and tell me the name
> of
> the town you found coded in the scroll?
> This is in the last chapter? of the Illuminati
> formula.
> Lina
> ps, I have managed to save it in works.
>
> One of the men who worked high up in the New World
> Order. and who had inside information felt that the
> AntiChrist wouldn't rule until 2047 and that he
> would
> be born in New York City and have blond hair and
> blue
> eyes. From what the Lord has shown this author, and
> taking into account the vulnerabilities of the
> Illuminati's plans, this author would state that the
> AntiChrist may not arrive until quite a few years
> from
> now. On the other hand, there are already candidates
> who have been presented before the Illuminati
> councils
> who are candidates to become the AntiChrist.
>
> The primary candidate for the position of AntiChrist
> is being kept in a heavily guarded small town near
> London. Only those who are summoned by him enter
> into
> the room where he is located. Individuals who come
> into his presence immediately want to worship him.
> He
> is a Rothschild.
>
> The mother of either the NWO's John position or the
> Christ position was S. E. D. [name may be available
> on
> request from Fritz Springmeier] and his name is
> Alexander Rothschild, Jr. The name Alexander is very
> important to the Illuminati. Baron Rothschild passed
> on his spiritual power when he was ritually murdered
> in 1976. This Rothschild AntiChrist is known as the
> Son of Apollo.
>
> (4Cool From a reliable source close to Lord Maitreya.
> he
> is Jewish. The Illuminati have a Mary position, also
> known as the Madonna position, which are women that
> are closely connected to the AntiChrist. Within the
> last few years, all the Madonna-position systems
> united in ritual in London, Frankfurt, Austria, and
> Switzerland. The name Queen of Heaven (Seriramis) is
> also applied to high level women close to the
> AntiChrist.
>
>
>
>
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To answer your question, I think it is 99% fantasy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:54 am    Post subject: Victor Rothschild - WWII puppeteer? Reply with quote

Victor Rothschild - WWII puppeteer?

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Victor Rothschild held many jobs that served to disguise his true role which, I suspect, was that of a member of the Illuminati Grand Council. (The Illuminati represent the highest rank of Freemasonry.) He was not a lowly agent. He probably gave orders to people like Winston Churchill, FDR and Stalin.

For example, he ensured that the USSR supported the establishment of the State of Israel. "He knew the proper back-channels to reach decision-makers in Moscow," a KGB Colonel told Perry. "Let us just say he got things done. You only did that if you reached the top. He was very persuasive." (176)

When you control the money supply, you can be very persuasive, as Americans have learned.


The above from an article by Henry Makow, a geezer I have some time for. The Rothschild dynasty has certainly been at the core of the central banking scam that has lead us to the precipice of abject slavery.

Makow goes on to say

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The fact that Rothschild was protected until his death suggests this is a ruling class conspiracy. According to Greg Hallett, Anthony Blunt, a fellow spy, was an illegitimate son of George V, half-brother and look-alike to Edward VIII, the Duke of Windsor. Until his exposure in 1964, Blunt was Knighted and Curator of the Queen's art collection. He received immunity from prosecution in exchange for his confession.



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Many believe this conspiracy is "Jewish." Certainly Zionism, Neo Conservatism and Communism (in all its forms) play an important part. But consider this: the current Lord Jacob Rothschild, the Fourth Baron Rothschild is Victor's son by his first wife Barbara Hutchinson, a non-Jew who converted. In Jewish law, Jacob Rothschild is not a Jew. He married a non-Jew, Serena Mary Dunn and has four children. Clearly organized Jewry is merely a convenient instrument of the NWO agenda.

By the way, Meyer Amschel, Victor's only son by his second marriage, also to a non-Jew, 'committed suicide' in 1996.


Any comments on the bit in bold? It has a whiff of 'methinks he protesteth too much'...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:38 am    Post subject: Lord Jacob Rothschild approved Rushdie knighthood Reply with quote

Lord Jacob Rothschild approved Rushdie knighthood

UK Daily Mail (20/06/07) stated the knighthood of Salman Rushdie was approved by "...the multi-millionaire philanthropist Lord Rothschild...'

Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Rothschild,_4th_Baron_Rothschil d

Favoured girls would be asked back to his father Jacob's lavish country estate, where the young lothario reputedly slashed their car tyres so that he might detain them long enough to seduce them.
An escort girl recently claimed that in 1994, Rothschild asked her to supply drugs and strippers to a party at the Rothschild stately home, Waddesdon Manor, Buckinghamshire, which is now run by the National Trust.
She said: "They were very precise in what they wanted - three slim black girls in stockings, suspenders and high heels. They also wanted the girls to do extras."

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Rushdie row 'a shock to knighthood committee'
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The committee that proposed Salman Rushdie for a knighthood failed to consider whether it would provoke a negative reaction from the Muslim world, it was claimed today.

The group, which put forward the Indian-born author for the Queen's birthday honours, believed the decision would improve relations between Britain and Asia.

The committee, chaired by investment banker Lord Rothschild, included BBC director Jenny Abramsky, former Sunday Telegraph theatre critic John Gross and former editor of the Independent Andreas Whittam Smith.

Mr Whittam Smith said: "We were concerned only with merit."

The Muslim Council of Britain condemned the knighthood as a "provocation" but called for restraint from Muslims.

It said the author had "earned notoriety throughout the world for the vilifying manner in which he portrayed Islamic figures".

Flames and the fury: Pakistani Muslims torch a Union Flag during protests in Lahore


Meanwhile, Whitehall sources have claimed the controversial nomination for Rushdie's knighthood came from the Culture Department's top mandarin because of 'public demand'.

The author is understood to have been put forward by Jonathan Stephens, the department's Permanent Secretary, who sits on a committee that considers honours for leading figures in the arts and media.

As bitter protests continued in the Muslim world over the award, senior MPs expressed incredulity at the idea of a wave of public demands for Mr Rushdie to be ennobled.

They were also astonished that the backlash against the award in the Muslim world had not been better anticipated.

Whitehall sources said the knighthood was approved by the arts and media committee chaired by multimillionaire philanthropist Lord Rothschild.

Other members of the committee included Mr Stephens, a career civil servant who previously worked on public services at the Treasury, the BBC's director of radio and music Jenny Abramsky CBE, former theatre critic John Gross, novelist Ben Okri, and former editor of the Independent newspaper Andreas Whittam Smith.

A Whitehall source insisted: "Members of the public wrote to the honours committee.

"He was nominated by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport on the strength of representations from the public for his contribution to literature.

"He has an internationally recognised body of work over many years, he's won the Booker Prize, he's a world-famous author."

After being approved by the arts and media committee, the nomination went up to the main honours committee, chaired by Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell.

He agreed the final list for submission to Tony Blair and then to the Queen.

Tory MP Stewart Jackson, chairman of the all-party group on Pakistan, said: "I have tried to read one or two of his books myself, and I would have got more stimulation from the Yellow Pages.

"The suggestion that the British public have been queueing up to demand that Salman Rushdie is given a knighthood is frankly a joke.

"A few cappuccino-sipping Lefties in Hampstead may have thought this was a good move, but the idea he is a popular cultural icon is laughable."

Tory MP Rob Wilson, vice-chairman of the all-party Parliamentary Pakistan group, said: "I am amazed that the people involved in this didn't anticipate the controversy it would cause."

A Foreign Office source said its officials had expected a backlash, but insisted they could not have intervened on those grounds.

"We certainly anticipated that the award would not be uncontroversial in the Muslim world," the source said.

"But it was an award for Salman Rushdie's literary merit. Other considerations could not come into play."

Westminster observers noted that Mr Rushdie is published by Vintage, a division of Random House.

The chief executive of Random House is Gail Rebuck, who is married to Philip Gould, Tony Blair's long-time polling guru.

But there is no suggestion that she or her husband played any role in nominating Mr Rushdie for an honour.

Last night, Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned Britain's Ambassador to Tehran, Geoffrey Adams, to protest about the "provocative" award.

Earlier, Pakistan summoned Robert Brinkley, the British High Commissioner in Islamabad, and told him the knighthood was insensitive and contrary to efforts to foster understanding between religions. Effigies of the Queen and the 59-year-old author were burned for a second day.

In Iran, MPs accused the Queen of living in a "dream world" over the award.



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...CO-MASTERS OF THE WORLD--management of the Catholic and Czars’ wealth and the capture of the Orthodox Church's wealth.

Early in the 19th century the Pope came to the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcasticly say "Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope...Order has at last been re-established."39 The Rothschilds in fact over time were entrusted with the bulk of the Vatican’s wealth. The Jewish Ency., Vol. 2, p.497 states, ,,It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823.(40) Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system.

The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschilds, $35 million with the Rothschild’s Bank of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild’s Paris bank. The Rothschilds financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church’s wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattans, who are related to the Rothschilds, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune. In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollar of gold, but by grabbing the hugh deposits of the Czars’ wealth, the Rothschilds gained what is now worth over $50 Billions.(41)


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:05 pm    Post subject: Utter ahistorical nonsense... Reply with quote

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Early in the 19th century the Pope came to the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcasticly say "Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope...Order has at last been re-established."39 The Rothschilds in fact over time were entrusted with the bulk of the Vatican’s wealth. The Jewish Ency., Vol. 2, p.497 states, ,,It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823.(40) Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system.

The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschilds, $35 million with the Rothschild’s Bank of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild’s Paris bank. The Rothschilds financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church’s wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattans, who are related to the Rothschilds, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune. In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollar of gold, but by grabbing the hugh deposits of the Czars’ wealth, the Rothschilds gained what is now worth over $50 Billions.(41)


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Made up stories. Like the one that had Lenin on the payroll of Germany.
Funny as to how Churchill led an invasion force to get money off the Bolsheviks...
The 'jewish conspiracy' prior to WW2 is made up. Lenin was no jew, the Russian Revolution was a revolution against war and poverty. To believe the Rothshilds organised it through their proxies is turning reality on its head, let alone the past.

What people do with israel today. They think the tail wags the dog...
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You seem to agree with Churchill about Lenin

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Although Lenin is described as a "Russian," in fact he was a mixture of various nationalities. It is likely that he was one-quarter Russian, one-quarter German, one-quarter Jewish and at least one-quarter Kalmuck (Mongol), which accounts for his Mongol appearance. Various authorities allege that his wife, Nadezhda Krupskaya was a Jewess and that her family spoke Yiddish in the home.


http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

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You seem to agree with Churchill about Lenin

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Probably the best-known exposé of the Jewish role in the Bolshevik coup d'état was by Sir Winston Churchill, writing in the Illustrated Sunday Herald of 8 February 1920. Churchill wrote "With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of leading figures are Jews. Moreover the principal inspiration and the driving power comes from Jewish leaders."


But

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Although Lenin is described as a "Russian," in fact he was a mixture of various nationalities. It is likely that he was one-quarter Russian, one-quarter German, one-quarter Jewish and at least one-quarter Kalmuck (Mongol), which accounts for his Mongol appearance. Various authorities allege that his wife, Nadezhda Krupskaya was a Jewess and that her family spoke Yiddish in the home.


http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

More rubbish?


How do I agree with Churchill.
You post an article which states that the 'jewish bolsheviks' paid Rothschild his money in gold... yet Chruchill led an expeditionary invasion force to get the money owed by the Tsars to the British government.

Either Churchill was fighting jews or he wasn't. I dont recall Rothschild ever being booted out of Britain...

If Lenin had a 'jewish' wife or slept with one is as relevant to the issue as all the other nonsense. They say Hitler was jewish as well.

No proof is ever provided of these allegations. But there is a point. The Rothschilds sponsored the Russian Revolution to make money from it?
How did they want to do that? Did they sell weapons to the Bolsheviks and the White armies?

Is Rothschild now funding the... resistance in Iraq? If every historical event from the French Revolution, to the Russian, to the Chinese and the Indian one was financed by Rothschild then we should all just give up.

The geyzer is too smart for us mere mortals. Money and power always wins...

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This is the history of the schoolyard


I must have grown up in the wrong schoolyard - it took the internet to alert me to the Rothschild story. The main points are a matter of public record, some of the more esoteric embellishments may be disinfo.

What I was not taught at school

Rothschild financed Napoleon and Wellington

Money is created from debt by private banking

What the national debt is and who owes it and to whom

...for starters.

War is a Racket (Maj Smedley Bulter I believe)

Some rackets (rackets are mafia profiteering schemes)

War on Terra (didn't exist until they invented it)
War on Drugs (more than ever)
War on Cancer (huge increase from 1% to 50%)
War on inflation ....

2007 £1 buys 1/4 ounce of silver
1900 £1 buys a pound of silver

Reason?

Rothschilds, Saxe-Coburgs et al have the so-called 'licence to print money'. Inflation is the ultimate stealth tax and serf control machanism.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Churchill was candid in the beginning but in the end toed the communist line.
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