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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Panorama did not positively identify the gym card that supposedly led them to De Menezes’ flat as belonging to one of the 21/7 bombers. It did not say whether one of the bombers lived in the block of flats – this means he didn’t.

According to this article, Hussian Osman borrowed a gym card from Abdi Omar, who lived in the same block of flats as de Menezes, and left in the backpack.

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'Third man' tells of bomb hunt ordeal

Gym card link put Somali in danger during police shooting

Ian Cobain and Vikram Dodd
Tuesday August 30, 2005
The Guardian

A man being sought by the police team which accidentally shot dead Jean Charles de Menezes has spoken for the first time to the Guardian of his shock at being caught up in the search for the would-be suicide bombers.

Abdi Omar, a Somali-born bus driver, was one of two men detectives were looking for when they began following the young Brazilian from his home in south London. Mr Omar is a friend of one of the four suspects, Hussain Osman, and rents a flat above the apartment where Mr de Menezes was living.

"It could have been me who got shot that day," Mr Omar said. "I don't know what to make of all this. I don't know what I should do."

Police had been watching the block where both men lived, in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, because they had discovered Mr Omar's gym membership card in a rucksack holding the bomb intended to blow up a tube train in Shepherd's Bush, west London.

However, Mr Omar says he had lent his membership card to Hussain Osman, a suspect since arrested in Rome and facing extradition to Britain.

He said he was friendly with Osman, an Ethiopian-born British citizen, also known as Hamdi Adus Issac, who lived in Stockwell, south London.

"I knew him from the gym, although not well, not 100%," said Mr Omar, 42. " I lent him my card. But I have no idea why it was in the rucksack."

An army surveillance specialist, on attachment to Scotland Yard, had begun watching the flats where Mr Omar lived at 6.30am on the day after the failed attacks.

Mr Omar was living in a second-floor flat in the block, while Mr de Menezes was on the first floor. Police had decided to monitor everyone leaving through the front door.

When Mr de Menezes emerged the soldier was, according to his later statement, relieving himself, and was unsure whether he had been watching either Mr Omar or Mr Osman.

The soldier would have been issued with at least one CCTV image of the Shepherd's Bush bombing suspect. He may also have had a photograph of Mr Omar: it is understood that Mr Omar's picture was on his membership card from the South Bank Club, a £395-a-year gym in south London.

According to members of Mr Omar's family, his mother-in-law was manhandled by armed police when they raided the home of his estranged wife a few hours after the death of Mr de Menezes.

The family said three plain-clothes officers with submachine guns surrounded his wife, Aziza Hassan, the couple's 12-year-old son, and her 74-year-old mother as they emerged from their home off Harrow Road, west London.

"She suffered a heart attack, and although she is now out of hospital, she needed heart surgery," said Mr Omar. Scotland Yard would not comment, other than to confirm that a complaint was being investigated.

Questioning Ms Hassan, detectives realised her husband had left the country five days before the bombing, after telling relatives that he was making a short trip to Somalia. Apparently, this heightened their suspicions. Mr Omar denies going to Somalia but says he was abroad on July 21. "I knew nothing about what was happening until I came back."

He says he went to see the police when he returned to London two weeks ago. "They questioned me like they weren't interested. They asked me: 'Why do you think we are suspecting you?' I said: 'I don't know'. By this time they knew all about the gym card, and they told my lawyer later that they were not interested in me.

"They have damaged my life and my family. But if they ask me, I would help them."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1558959,00.html

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The forces of 'law and order' in this country are out of control. Or, at least, out of the control of "We. The people …" i.e. those WHO SHOULD BE in control.

But … when you have the situation where, for example, MI5 and MI6 have no 'constitutional' basis … and therefore absolutely no accountability … what else is to be expected?

But there is more to it than even that.

Oaths make very interesting and enlightening reading. Let's back up a step.

Patriot is defined (Chambers 21st century) as

patriot noun someone who loves and serves their fatherland or country devotedly.

(I think we can assume 'motherland' as well as 'fatherland' or, possibly, ignore 'fatherland' … leaving 'country')

Obviously most people are aware that there are three major 'divisions': the 'Country', the Government, and the Head of State.

'Country' means 'We, the people …' of course.

Now let's check out two essential Oaths:

The Parliamentary Oath, which must be taken before a duly-elected member of Parliament can take his/her seat in the House of Commons, draw expenses and a salary, vote for/against legislative Bills, and … basically … operate fully as an MP:

I ………. swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.

(There exists a similar 'affirmation version' for Atheists, etc.)


Right. So a person puts their name down as a candidate in a General Election. The candidates go canvassing, making promises to that segment of the 'Country'. They state that, if elected, they will perform such duties as to uphold the majority will of that part of the 'Country', namely the Constituency. Polling Day arrives, votes are cast by that 'segment of the Country', and a winner is declared.

The winner then goes to Westminster, and swears allegiance to those who voted for him/her.

Oh … no! The winner goes to Westminster, does not swear allegiance to those who voted, but instead swears allegiance to the reigning Monarch (Head of State).

Apparently that is called 'democracy'.

This Head of State will open Parliament in the autumn of the year. She will read a prepared statement explaining what that session of Parliament proposes to do. During that reading, she will refer constantly to 'My Government …".

Apparently this is called 'democracy'.

All 'official printing' that emanates for the Houses of Parliament are published by HMSO. Translation: Her Majesty's Stationery Office. (Not even "The Government Stationery Office" … and a far cry from "The State Stationery Office")

Apparently this is called 'democracy'.

If any UK Citizen falls foul of the laws made by these Monarchical-allegiance-swearers, they are prosecuted by the State Prosecution Service.

Oh no! They are not prosecuted by any State Prosecution Service, but instead by the Crown Prosecution Service!

Apparently this is called 'democracy'.

Now let's look at the oath taken by the enforcers of the laws made by these Monarchical-allegiance-swearers.

The Police Oath (varies between England & Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland … but is essentially the same 'flavour')

I, ……………, of …………. , do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve Our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of constable, without favour or affection, malice or ill will; and that I will to the best of my power cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all; the duties thereof faithfully according to the law.

Does anyone see just a few little flaws in this oath?

Primarily (of course) it is allegiance to that 'dear old Monarch' once again. (Oh, how the British love their Monarch!). When it gets down to the nitty-gritty (bear in mind the Monarch has her own, private, protection squad), it babbles on about 'preventing all offences against the person and properties of her Majesty's subjects'.

Do you get the feeling that "We, the people …" are just not a concept that enters into this whole idea?

Well … yes … but it's all 'tradition' … see?

Errr … no … I don't see.

I don't see why Members of Parliament should not swear allegiance to those that put them in that position.

I don't see why Police Officers should not swear to uphold the law, keep the peace, and swear allegiance to the Country they serve, and those who actually pay their wages.


I offer this little conundrum to our esteemed 'Boys in blue'.

If the Queen were standing 10 yards away from you, and I was standing 10 yards away, on the exact opposite side of you … and both the Queen and I were in trouble … who would you rush to protect?

Me … the one of millions who help to pay your wages, and who you should truly be serving … or someone who does not contribute to your wages in any significant way whatsoever?

Apparently this is called 'democracy'.


May I return, now, to the definition of a patriot?

Is a patriot someone who swears allegiance to the Monarch, someone who swears allegiance to the Government … or someone who is prepared to defend "We, the people" come what may?

And, in the circumstances where either the Monarch, or the Government (or both) appear the have a malevolent agenda toward "We, the people ..." (as they certainly appear to do in this year, 2006) where, exactly, does a patriot stand?

And where, exactly, does someone who has sworn allegiance to a (possibly) malevolent Monarch or Government stand?

QED?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: newspaper and t-shirt = possible terrorist? Reply with quote

The thing that I found most disturbing about this whole thing is the blatant lies the police told after the event to cover up their mistake. This was an innocent man they murdered and afterwards they made up pure fiction about him being a terrorist etc. Everyone makes mistakes (if thats even what it was) but to then lie and dishonour this poor mans memory and insult his family is unforgivable. The police have a responsibility to the people and should be accountable for this terrible tragedy. With this and the whole forestgate affair it makes you wonder what exactly is this so called specific intelligence that they act on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice post Veronica.

What infuriates me is how so many people consider that the monarch is only symbolic. It is not just the government and police who swear oaths like those you include, the judiciary and all branches of the military swear similar oaths.

Also, too many people are under the illusion that Britain is a democracy. It is not! Britain is under the system of government known as a ‘constitutional monarchy’; this is evident from the oaths of allegiance you have highlighted in your post.

The matriarch even has her own bank

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Martin,

I fully agree. I left out quite a bit, because I reckoned I'd made my point ... and you have added essential bits and set the seal on it/wrapped it up nicely. Many thanks.

(BTW: You talk about other oaths. Does anyone realise how difficult it was to find the Policeman's Oath, via the Internet? I Googled quite few hours to find that. Maybe I'm an inefficient Googler, but everything kept coming up with the changes they have made in Nortern Ireland, to satisfy the RUC)

BTW: The Police are up the creek without a paddle, anyway. Their new radio system is cooking them, like a microwave oven (inside to out).

http://www.tetrawatch.net/contact/feedback.php?id=police

and

www.tetrawatch.net/papers/trower_on_dring.pdf (note the concern of Home Office Pathologist, Dr. Levy, towards the end)

Next time you get pulled over, tell the cop to Google "Neil Dring", and explain that you have almost certainly just saved his life.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe JCdeM had ALREADY been targeted by special forces when they found him. They had been waiting for him. After he was killed in the Tube train a press release was put out saying that he was wearing a heavy woollen jacket (sufficient to hide explosives), that he ran into Stockwell Tube station and "vaulted over the barrier", all the actions of a potential terrorist. Had that been the truth, the orders to kill him would perhaps, have been justified, and the story would have been accepted. BUT, someone working in the IPCC blew a whistle, and the truth dribbled out. So now it becomes a story of incompetence, misjudgement, panic, la de da de da.The news that the Metropolitan Police service is being charged with health and safety misdemeanours is cynical in the extreme.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wokeman,

You are right on the money.

And ... if that is an example of 'Police Protection' then I, for one, DO NOT WANT IT.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One further point. Sir Ian Blair was quoted as saying, after JCdeM had been killed, "My men have done nothing wrong!" meaning that the Met did not kill the Brazilian. He would have hardly said that had it been true.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Veronica wrote:
“BTW: The Police are up the creek without a paddle, anyway. Their new radio system is cooking them, like a microwave oven (inside to out).” http://www.tetrawatch.net/contact/feedback.php?id=police

Hello Veronica,
Once again, thanks for the hyperlink to Tetrawatch. I have always had suspicions concerning the development of wireless communications.

If the claims made at the website are substantiated, it could help explain why the police force seem to be performing more like coiled springs every day. I have noticed occasions where the 'pork scratching’s' have reacted like robots running a programme on high voltage. E.g. seven rounds of ammunition point-blank into the head! Confused

Wearing a device with a pulse frequency so close to the regularity of the human beta brain wave does raise questions of health and safety.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Martin,

Yes ... yes and yes again.

If you read their comments on Tetrawatch, you will see officers all over the country complaining about a 'red patch' on their chest (underneath the radio) when they undress.

Presumably (unless they are in the know) they put this down to 'rubbing' or 'weight' ... but - in reality - they are being cooked from the inside out.

If they didn't act like robots so much, and acted a little bit more human, they might find out (as those who know about Tetrawatch have done ... but they are few and far between).

Neil Dring was perfectly healthy, given the job of implementing the Tetra System at his local nick (Leicester, as I recall) and ONE YEAR LATER he was dead. When I read this a couple of years ago, it said that his colleague (they always go in 2s nowadays!) was also ill. Recently I read that his colleague also died of the same thing: Cancer of the Oesophagus (the gut ... between larynx and intestine). The rate of this has skyrocketed over the last few years in the police + emergency services.

But the trick these days is to say that 'anyone could get cancer' (NOT, actually, true) so they demand 'absolute proof'. Absolute proof is impossible, which is why 'beyond reasonable doubt' was always the judicial cornerstone.

I read this a while ago (in relation to 'masts'). It was a point argued by an anti-masts protestor:

If the police arrive and find someone holding a gun, and a dead person on the floor, with a bullet hole in him, the logical rationale is to say that the person holding the gun and firing the bullet has murdered the victim. However, even this is not 'absolute proof'', because there is nothing to say that the victim actually died of a heart attack immediately prior to the bullet impacting. Yes, it is a billions to one chance, but it may be true. Consequently to demand 'absolute proof' - in any circumstance - is impossible. On the other hand, statistically the masts cause health problems - and this should be considered 'proof beyond reasonable doubt'

(I think he lost the case, and the mast went up … close to a children's school, to the best of my recollection)

In the case of the police and emergency services, the abnormally high incidence of cancers should not be ignored. But, as the Home Office Pathologist Dr. Levy said: "If they don't like it they can always leave the force".

But they won't of course. They will 'follow orders' like lemmings over the cliff.

They thnk that pulling on a blue uniform generates respect.

It doesn't, of course. Respect has to be EARNED. And it is like a bucket of water with a small hole in the bottom. It drips away. Respect has to be continually EARNED.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

They need to learn this lesson ... but I don't expect them to, because it is a much too difficult concept for them to grasp. It goes against ALL their training.

When they learn that you can't just bust down the doors and windows in a couple of houses in Forest Gate at 3:00am and nearly shoot someone's head off, and get away with it ... when they learn that you can't just blow somone's head off in cold blood in a tube carriage ... then they will be on their necessary learning curve.

Until then? They are being cooked. And unless and until they wake up to ALL these things I, personally, have very little sympathy for them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Law is the Law.

And that's all there is to it.

Well, actually, M'Lud that's not true. In fact, Officer, although your tiny robotic mind would wish that it were so, I'm afraid it's a very long way from 'all there is to it". In point of fact, Mr. Lawyer, it's about as far from "all there is to it", as it could possibly be.

How come?

Well, let's consider Laws … but shall we consider ALL of them?

Let's consider a few first of all. How about Charles' Law, Boyle's Law, Ohm's Law, Maxwell's Laws, and Newton's Laws of Motion, etc.?

Let's consider their characteristics:

a) Mankind did not make them, confining itself to simply discovering, enumerating, and defining them, and

b) They are absolutely immutable, applying in exactly the same way to each and very species, organism and material 'without fear or favour', and

c) There is no penalty for breaking them because they cannot be broken.

This first kind are the Laws of Nature (actually Laws of the Universe).

Now let's consider the other kind, the ones enacted by Parliament:

a) Mankind devises them and is constantly adjusting them as society changes its general outlook, and

b) They are far from immutable and are often applied unfairly (e.g. "one law for the rich, another for the poor"), and

c) Mankind must devise a penalty for breaking them because they can readily be broken if someone is prepared to suffer the judicial consequences.

This second kind are the Man-Made Rules and Regulations (Statutes) which are attempts at regulating society. And they are nothing more than that.

Now check the characteristics. They are diametric OPPOSITES. It is impossible for them to be more different.

Stating that "The Law is the Law, and that is all there is to it" leads to the following sort of absurdity.

As I'm sure everyone knows, there is a Man-Made Regulation (Statute) in the UK that states you need to pay a TV Licence Fee per annum to watch TV.

The advent of Video Recorders took this Man-Made Regulation a bit by surprise initially, but the wooden-headed clods who run our lives soon caught up, by including the USAGE (not the POSSESSION) of a Video Recorder, AND/OR an Aerial.

GENERALLY ACCEPTED doublethink enables the National TV Licencing Authority to take POSSESSION, or even PURCHASE, as equivalent to USAGE. (Similar doublethink enables the Judiciary to accept proof of First Class postage as proof of receipt).

But here is the 'kicker'. An aerial is simply 'a conductor of electricity'. Impure water is 'a conductor of electricity' and the human body is 75% impure water. Consequently we are all, by strict technical definition, walking aerials. So are our pets.

So make sure you fully licence yourself, and your cat, and your dog, and your fish. The Licence Detector Vans may be coming down your way any time.

The doublethink is, of course, the psychology of utilising the same word, 'laws', to refer to both kinds. By doing so, the latter kind auto-upgrade in stature, to become seamless with the former.

And so the doublethink continues, when a "shoot to kill policy" becomes 'acceptable' to the point where people will argue in its favour.

POLICY is not even STATUTE. "Policy" is what an Electoral Candidate, or his Political Party, PROPOSE. It's what YOU VOTE FOR them to implement in Statute, if you are so minded.

Until that time, POLICY is NOT LEGAL.

Even under a regime of wooden-headed clods, I have doubts that a Man-Made Statute stating "it is perfectly legal to blow an innocent person's head off in cold blood, even by mistake", would pass between both Houses without amendment.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Menezes police officer promoted Reply with quote

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5339968.stm

One of the senior officers in charge on the day Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead by police is to be promoted.

Commander Cressida Dick is to become a deputy assistant commissioner, the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) announced on Tuesday.

Mr Menezes, 27, was shot seven times at Stockwell Underground station in south London.

He was mistaken for a suicide bomber a day after the failed bombings on 22 July last year.

Cmdr Dick is one of four officers promoted to the rank of deputy assistant commissioner.

Her responsibilities include control of the 300 officers of Operation Trident, the police unit that tackles gun crime within London's black communities.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People like him should be kicked in the face, not promoted.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Him" is a her.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woopsadaisy. Rolling Eyes

I apologise wholeheartedly, blackcat, for mixing up "her" and "him" in my haste. Would you like me to sign a written statement?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone examined the possibility that the trains had transmitters placed on them that were activated when they went over the bombs? Seems to be the standard technique used against the Brits & Grunts in Iraq by their 'advisers'

www.judicial.inc.biz

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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link doesn't work

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Try this: http://judicial-inc.biz
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Jean Charles Menezes murder Reply with quote

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The theory that Jean Charles Menezes was killed because he knew too much is a possible line of enquiry. But there appears to be a contradiction about his movements prior to getting shot. This account says he got on a bus, but also says Richard Jones lied about seeing him on a bus.

Another account I read says he got on a bus in Tulse Hill and travelled in it to Stockwell (he would have come very close to my house on this route). If "police" were following him, why did they wait until he was on an Underground train in Stockwell Station before shooting him? Did they want to maximise the number of witnesses?

A BBC news reported a witness who said he was in the carriage of the train where the luckless Jean Charles was murdered, that the train waited an unusually long time in the station and a big man in the carriage was nervously fiddling with a bag. When Jean Charles arrived, "police" in hot pursuit, the big man joined in with their murder of him.

Another account said he lived with Muslims.

I would like to know more about the lying witness Peter Jones.

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Was the 'suicide bomber' Richard Jones claims to have seen on the Tavistock Sq bus? (the comment in the article seems like an aside)

As for following Menezes on the bus, this is the most curious part - he was identified as an IC1 male BEFORE a team followed him onto the bus. The only reason he was accompanied on the bus was because they were sure he wasn't a bomber.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Senior Officer in Menezes killing Cressida Dick promoted Reply with quote

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Jean was a very sensitive person who respected everybody and was loved by all his immediate family and well as his extended family like his cousins and uncles and aunts. He had many friends and loved to take care of me and Vivian, his cousins who lived with him, (he didn’t have any sisters but treated us like we were his sisters). He was very protective and he would not let anyone say or do anything bad towards his family.
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Policewoman involved in de Menezes shooting promoted
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Monday, February 19, 2007
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID= 2007-02-19T160414Z_01_L19274579_RTRUKOC_0_UK-BRITAIN-MENEZES.xml

A senior officer involved in the fatal shooting of Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes on a London underground train was promoted on Monday to one of the city's top policing jobs, looking after the royal family's safety.

Cressida Dick was in charge of the operation that led to de Menezes, 27, being shot seven times in the head on a Tube train at Stockwell station in south London in July 2005 after he was mistaken for a suspected suicide bomber.
His family has said they are "disgusted" by Dick's promotion.


The shooting came amid frenzy in London over the threat of suicide bombers.

Two weeks earlier four British Islamists had (allegedly - ed.) blown themselves up on three underground trains and a bus, killing 52 people, and detectives say that the day before the shooting five other suspects had attempted to carry out copycat attacks.

The Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA), which oversees the London force, said, despite "unprecedented circumstances", Dick had been promoted to the rank of Deputy Assistant Commissioner.

Her job, which begins on March 19, has responsibility for the protection of the royal family and other senior individuals.

"Having considered these circumstances, we are satisfied that our decision to confirm promotion is the right one to take at this time," said Len Duvall, the MPA's chairman.

"The MPA is keenly aware that the people of London must have confidence in the police who work, in what are often difficult circumstances, to protect them.

"By confirming this promotion we are making it clear that the officer retains our full confidence."

The provisional selection of Dick for promotion, announced in September, was described as "just one more slap in the face" by the family of de Menezes, who said they were "absolutely disgusted and outraged" by the decision.

Last July it was reported by the BBC that the police watchdog, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), had recommended that Dick face criminal action for her handling of the operation.

However, prosecutors decided no police officers involved in the incident should face action. The Crown Prosecution Service instead ruled that the London force as a whole should be prosecuted under health and safety laws.

The country's top court, the House of Lords, will rule on a judicial review of the CPS decision not to hold any individual officers responsible after an appeal by de Menezes's family.

The full IPCC report into the shooting will not be made public until that legal action is completed.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Coincidence? Reply with quote

Coincidence?

Beware high-ranking cops - both real and imaginary

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Having considered these circumstances, we are satisfied that our decision to confirm promotion is the right one to take at this time," said Len Duvall, the MPA's chairman.

"The MPA is keenly aware that the people of London must have confidence in the police who work, in what are often difficult circumstances, to protect them.

"By confirming this promotion we are making it clear that the officer retains our full confidence."

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well why the hell not? They are all immune from prosecution under EU law.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jason67 wrote:

"The MPA is keenly aware that the people of London must have confidence in the police who work, in what are often difficult circumstances, to protect them.


Same reason they gave for stopping police declaration of freemasonic interests/membership - because it would 'lower public confidence' if the public thought police might be masons!

Could public confidence get any lower after this incompetent murderess is promoted.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.eutruth.org.uk/cp.htm

Common Purpose (CP) - a hidden menace in our government and schools

Although it has 80,000 trainees in 36 cities, 18,000 graduate members and enormous power, Common Purpose is largely unknown to the general public.

It recruits and trains "leaders" to be loyal to the directives of Common Purpose and the EU, instead of to their own departments, which they then undermine or subvert, the NHS being an example.

Common Purpose is identifying leaders in all levels of our government to assume power when our nation is replaced by the European Union, in what they call “the post democratic society.” They are learning to rule without regard to democracy, and will bring the EU police state home to every one of us.

Common Purpose is also the glue that enables fraud to be committed across these government departments to reward pro European local politicians. Corrupt deals are enabled that put property or cash into their pockets by embezzling public assets.

It has members in the NHS, BBC, the police, the legal profession, the church, many of Britain’s 7,000 quangos, local councils, the Civil Service, government ministries, Parliament, and it controls many RDA's (Regional Development Agencies).

Cressida Dick is the Common Purpose senior police officer who authorised the "Shoot to kill" policy without reference to Parliament, the law or the British Constitution. Jean de Menezes was one of the innocents who died as a result. Her shoot to kill policy still stands today.

Common Purpose trained Janet Paraskeva, the Law Society's Chief Executive Officer. Surprising numbers of lawyers are CP members. It is no coincidence that justice is more expensive, more flawed and more corrupt. And no surprise the courts refused to uphold the law, when a challenge was made to the signing of the six EU treaties, which illegally abolish Britain's sovereignty.

Common Purpose is backed by John Prescott's "Office of the Deputy Prime Minister" (ODPM), and its notional Chief Executive is Julia Middleton. The Head of the Civil Service Commission is a member

It is close to controlling Plymouth City Council, where is has subverted the democratic process. Local people cannot get CP's corrupt activities published, because the editors of local papers are in CP, and refuse to let journalists publish the articles.

CP started in 1985; in the 1990’s, with its members' cross departmental influence, it was involved with what then became the disasterous New Millennium Dome Company and the squandering of £800 million; it appears £300m of this was diverted into the web of quangos set up by CP. There is a fraud case over this, stalled in the courts thanks to CP's influence in the legal profession.

Over £100 million of our money has been spend on CP courses alone, and its been hidden from the public, and members names are a guarded secret. It charges substantial figures for its courses. Matrix for example costs £3,950 plus VAT, and courses for the high flying ‘leader’ can be as much as £9,950 plus VAT. This money is ours, paid by government departments financing senior staff to become agents for CP, instead of loyal to their own jobs.

Common Purpose (Ltd by guarantee, No. 2832875) is registered as charity No. 1023384. It describes itself as being involved in Adult education. Given it preys on the rich and powerful, charges expensive fees, and its aims are clearly power and control, its charity status stinks and should be revoked.

Potential Common Purpose subjects are selected for training. Are they susceptible to being converted; are they in the right job, with the right colleagues and friends? Do they have power, influence and the control of money? If the candidate has some, or all of these key attributes, then the local Common Purpose Advisory Board decides if they can do the course.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all know the Police are corrupt... they quite happily Tazar disabled black women in wheelchairs or Asian looking students in University libraries and happily get away with it....

... Remember it is a fundamental part of police training to be a bast*rd!
I already know 2 freinds (one actually a freind of a freind) who have in the past joined the force (one female, and one male) only to have left a short time later. Both left because they say that it was the most horrible job they ever had and that the police station where they each worked, was full of egotistical maniacs with a power-madness, The girl when describing what it was like when I asked her just contorted her face, shook her head and gave a 'disgust' type look).

...Says it all to me!

The problem is that the Police are never held to account. They are protected by the very law which should protect the citizens. Police are our servants, not our masters... but you try reminding a cop of this and you are likely to get a truncheon in the face or a Tazer blasting... and when it gets to court you will have all these dam masons backing each other up in front of a 'Grand master' Judge! Twisted Evil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JGlvEcPmug

http://www.justice4jean.com/

... and for general 'Police Brutality, there are no shortage of videos here...

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=police+brutality

... sickening!!! Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:44 am    Post subject: slap on wrist Reply with quote

Reprimand for the de Menezes pathologist who altered report
by ELEANOR MAYNE
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24th February 2007

The pathologist involved in the report into the death of police shooting victim Jean Charles de Menezes has been reprimanded over his role in a botched trial which cost taxpayers £5million.

Dr Kenneth Shorrock changed his report into the death of a pensioner during an operation, which led to her surgeon being wrongly charged with manslaughter.

The case collapsed when details emerged of the two conflicting reports - the second of which Dr Shorrock claimed was written in response to a call from the coroner's office asking him to 'reconsider' his view.

Dr Shorrock came into the public eye in the wake of the de Menezes case after inserting inaccurate details about the shooting at Stockwell Tube station, South London, in July 2005 into his report.

He said the 27-year-old Brazilian had vaulted over the ticket barriers while being chased by police before he was shot.

The information appeared to have come from police sources but was later proved to be incorrect, leading to accusations of a cover-up by officers. In fact, Mr de Menezes walked through the barrier and down the escalator.

Dr Shorrock's first report into the death of Gladys Allen, who had surgery in Yorkshire for kidney cancer in 2000, said there was 'no definite evidence of any avoidable deficiency' in the treatment.

The second, stating it was 'likely death was contributed to by inadvertence', was written, he claimed, after the coroner's office asked him to 'reconsider' his view in the light of new information concerning other patients.

The surgeon involved, Dr Hurais Syed, was acquitted of manslaughter because of a lack of evidence.

Dr Syed said: "After the report was changed police decided to bring charges. My career and my life have been destroyed."

A General Medical Council hearing, begun in September 2005, found last week that Dr Shorrock had been 'unprofessional, inconsistent, unreasonable and inappropriate'.

It issued a reprimand, which allows him to continue to work without restrictions.

LA Home Office spokesman said Dr Shorrock was still registered to work for the department.

"It was determined Dr Shorrock had fallen below the standard expected, in that he had simply modified his report rather than issue a completely new report setting out not just his new opinion but the reasons why he had changed his view.

"This was a "procedural" error, made in good faith and all of the statements reflected Dr Shorrock's honest belief at the time the statement was made.

"It was decided the appropriate course of action was to provide him with advice as to his future practice."

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: De Menezes judge aquitted of "flashing" charges Reply with quote

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/02032007/140/top-judge-charged-exposure.html

One of the judges responsible for overseeing a High Court judgement regarding the De Menezes assasination has been charged for exposing himself to train passengers.

Now this maybe one of the usual things judges do, or people high up in positions of power as is generally the case as a few years back the Director of Public Prosecutions if I recall was caught sleeping with street gals, but this one sounds fishy.

Was he about to make a judgement agains the police and suddenly this happened to him?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh the great british judicial system...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bless. They're only human.

Flopping your todger out on public transport is a natural stress outlet after a long hard week, denying appeals, locking people up and dangling on the strings of your crown puppeteer masters.

Could this be the same woman who made the unfounded rape allegation against Jean Charles de Menezes I wonder ?

The rape allegation was first made public on 12.3.2006, 33 weeks and 3 days on from 22.7.2005 (333) and just 2 days before the IPCC announced they had completed the Stockwell 1 report.

Lord Justice Richards does in fact deny the indecency charge.

Consider that his arrest came on the same day that he ruled that the de Menezes case raised points of law that the Lords might like to respond to.

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How synchronous is the arrest of Judge Richards over an alleged ‘flashing incident’ of October 2006, with the decision by Judge Richards et al, over allowing the Law Lords to comment on the de Menezes family appeal?

On 19th January 2007, Lord Justice Richards and Mr Justice Forbes declared the de Menezes appeal case raised “points of law of general public importance” and certified that the High Court decision had raised two questions relating to human rights which the House of Lords might consider answering

He was also arrested on 19th January 2007.


He was arrestested on 1.19, charged on 2.3.2007, an interval of 1 week and 19 months after Jean Charles de Menezes was executed on 22.7.2005 (119)

On 2.3.2007 Princess Tony had been Lord of the Manor for 9 years, 10 months and 1 day. (911)

Starting to get the picture now ?

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