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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Time to stock up on food and water? Reply with quote

Mods... Please don't move this to another section until the American election has or hasn't happened.

The signs are obvious to me, that we're about to witness the collapse of the banking system. With Iceland bankrupt other countries will follow.

I believe that America will follow iceland and when it does all HELL will break loose.

I was expecting something like 9/11 when it happened and I have been expecting the banks to fail since 1995.

There's nothing accidental going on here... it's about the creation of the New World Order.

My advice is to stockpile food, water and warm (millets type) clothing while you can, as when this kicks off there will be riots and no way of shopping.

Imagine that you had no electricity, gas, running water or shops... How would you survive?

I believe this will happen BEFORE the American (sham) election.

Forge links with as many people as you can now to survive the winter.

They know that too many people are waking up and they haven't got the luxury of time anymore.

Please post any thoughts and ideas about how to protect our families etc so that others may benefit.

It's going to be about food, water and helping each other.

Martin

P.S. it's better to prepare a month early than be a day late!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be a day for them to bury even badder news like 9/11 truth coming out the box.

Off to Tescos Monday!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may have noticed I've altered the headline to make it a bit less alarmist but.... There are a lot of people thinking the same as you Marndin. It's been quite an education watching people panicing, moving money from one account to another. Finding it's disappeared in between and being told they have to wait for a call from... wait for it... the government... to tell them how they're going to get it back. It might be a long wait to find out what happened to that £250,000. To undersatnd what may happen here have a good look at Argentina in late 2001, just after 9/11 and while the world was looking elsewhere. Rioting was caused by the police trying to get the people to get off the streets and that failed. This brilliant short film was made by Argentina Indymedia at the height of the crisis.


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The crisis

Argentina quickly lost the confidence of investors and the flight of money away from the country increased. In 2001, people fearing the worst began withdrawing large sums of money from their bank accounts, turning pesos into dollars and sending them abroad, causing a run on the banks. The government then enacted a set of measures (informally known as the corralito) that effectively froze all bank accounts for twelve months, allowing for only minor sums of cash to be withdrawn.

Because of this allowance limit and the serious problems it caused in certain cases, many Argentines became enraged and took to the streets of important cities, especially Buenos Aires. They engaged in a form of popular protest that became known as cacerolazo (banging pots and pans). These protests occurred especially during the period of 2001 to 2002. At first the cacerolazos were simply noisy demonstrations, but soon they included property destruction, often directed at banks, foreign privatized companies, and especially big American and European companies. Many businesses installed metal barriers because windows and glass facades were being broken, and even fires being ignited at their doors. Billboards of such companies as Coca Cola and others were brought down by the masses of demonstrators.......

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tony
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyperinflation Might Destroy Dollar, Euro & Sterling
The dollar, euro and sterling are going to be destroyed Zimbabwe-style, believes Martin Hennecke, senior manager, private clients at Tyche. He makes his case to Todd Everts from Wall Street Global & CNBC's Martin Soong.....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=887658998&play=1
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Washington Times yesterday...

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Global creditors end U.S. spending spree

The crash unfolding on Wall Street is not just the fall of once-mighty banks and corporations that took on too much debt, but the collapse of an American economy and lifestyle that for decades has been purchased with credit cards.

The nation's creditors - many of them foreign countries such as China and Brazil with ample economic needs of their own - reached a point this summer at which they were no longer willing to extend new loans in light of burgeoning default rates.

One of every 10 American homeowners has stopped making mortgage payments, and high-flying investment banks such as Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns that peddled American debt around the world found themselves in bankruptcy and default.

The boycott by foreign lenders is forcing U.S. businesses and consumers to live more within their means, while political leaders frantically try to find ways to keep the financial sector alive without the free flow of an estimated $3 billion a day from abroad, analysts say. The spigot of foreign money in the heyday of the credit boom earlier this decade enabled everyone from Wall Street's best and brightest to college students with no income to easily obtain cheap loans.

"The party is over," said Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital. "The current financial storm represents the death throes of the old global economic order, and perhaps the birth pains of a new one. The sun is setting on the borrow-and-spend culture that has all but defined us for a generation. ... The sooner we come to grips with this, the better."



http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/global-creditors-end-us-spen ding-spree/

Peter Schiff has called the inevitability of this crash for years now. Take a look back at his archive of interviews on the financial networks. Note especially the way CNBC used to ridicule him for his bearish view.

They no longer invite him on....just as the above interview with Martin Henneke gets omitted from the main page of their video archive to only appear in their Asia video section. They try to suppress viewpoints being aired that might exacerbate the panic.

Here's the Schiff TV appearance archive...
http://www.europac.net/video.asp
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that Spam has a 50 year shelflife so I'd conclude that Corned Beef might be similar. Maybe we should start a thread on longlife foodstuffs as it scares me how dumb people have become in relation to how edible something is beyond its BBD!!
2 rules with Canned food, use damaged or rusty cans 1st!
Also if unsure check for discolouration and the best check of all food if nothing is visual is smell. If you've never smelled off food I'd recommend getting used to it, your life one day may depend on it!!!
If your sence of smell is screwy (maybe you smoke) ask someone thier opinion!
I never throw things away unless they are off even if the BBD says otherwise.
Start to get used to the IDEA!!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I go shopping late at the local Asda and am able to pick up perishable food at a tiny fraction of the normal retail price....loaves for 2p, turkey for 10p, milk for 5p. It might not be long before the rush hour for these supermarkets is the last hour of the day!

Michael Rivero has been very good on this financial crisis I think. He avoids the painful histrionics of Alex Jones and doesn't ascribe a massive NWO conspiracy to what is going on....he just talks sense....
Free daily podcast....
http://www.gcnlive.com/pubpod/what_really/pcast.php

George Berry is pretty good too on the same channel.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning a bit of Polish might also be useful as our Tesco has a complete section of Polish labelled food. It may be the last stuff left on the shelves!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm Polish smoked sausage/salami might be a good buy. Salamis last well especially Dry Cured you can tell if they're not in a fridge Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: 100 Items to Disappear First Reply with quote

One of the best baldly practical pages on events which are gradually becoming inevitable......

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100 Items to Disappear First
http://www.greatdreams.com/barter.htm

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)

5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in bulk.

6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll have a lot of time on your hands.

7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.

8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats wrong with a fork?
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Yea quite sobering when this list depicts your friendly neighbour wanting in your larder Surprised

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuesday, 04 November 2008
World Shipping Slowly Grinding To A Halt

'Another ominous sign comes to light as world shipping starts to grind to a halt. The situation now is that for those shipping companies that can actually get letters of credit are now slowing down their ships to reduce fuel consumption, slashing crew numbers and leaving some of their tonnage in dock with the lights out. The problem with letters of credit, which are needed before a vessel leaves harbour, is that demands between banks are being denied as banks are not trusting each other. The Libor rate and the interbank lending figures are just another reinforcement of this catastrophic process.'

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: 100 Items to Disappear First Reply with quote

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101. Relaxation videos and hypnosis tapes, lavender bubblebath and a copy of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
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I don't think we need Water anytime soon with this weather Shocked

Candies should be near No. 1 Gum can take a hike though what use is that except maybe glue Wink

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Noting like laying the seeds to what is to come? Rolling Eyes
Oh and passing off the recent BS, oh how the prolls live ay? Wink

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By Emma-Lou Montgomery
November 10 2008
We could be heading towards the £5.35 pint of milk, according to analysis carried out by Norwich Union. It says that if the household items that have risen in price by more than 10, or even 20 times over the past 50 years, continue to rise, we could be looking at one seriously over-inflated basket of goods at the supermarket checkout in decades to come.

Of course, the investment group's predictions are just that, predictions. And they are meant to shock. Their aim is to get today's generation of non-savers to start planning for the future by realising that today's high prices would look cheap if prices were to continue to rocket at the rate they have done since 1958.So us corporate banking B... can rip you off later just as we have now!! Twisted Evil

See how food prices are rising

It certainly gives you food for thought. And sheds a new light on the current era of high inflation in which we're in.

Food prices have risen in recent months, that's a fact, as have fuel, gas and electricity prices too. But look further back than the past year or so, to 50 years ago and, food has plummeted in price.

In 1957, just a few years after the end of rationing, the average family spent a total of £14.30 a week, out of a gross income of £16. That's the equivalent of £243 a week in today's money, and the average spend now is £130 today for a family of four. As a percentage of earnings we now spend, on average, just 15% on food - not a third or more.

But one thing that was less of an issue in the 1950s was the cost of housing. These costs, including mortgage interest payments or rent, have more than doubled since 1957, according to the government's annual Expenditure and Food Survey.

It cost, on average, £2,300 to buy a house in 1958. Since 1997 alone, house prices have grown by 231% (albeit they've come off slightly over the past 12 months). This means that homeowners are spending more than twice as much of their weekly budgets on mortgage payments and rent as was the norm 50 years ago.

See if you can find a cheaper mortgage deal now

Shifting spending patterns
Figures show that the cost of owning or renting property is now the biggest area of household spending, while the amount spent on food and fuel has fallen over the past five decades.

Last year mortgage payments and rent took up 19% of the average weekly budget compared with just 9% in 1957. The price of transport has also increased, with motoring and travel costs now taking up 16% of people's spending compared with 8% in the 1950s.

Even those rising gas and electricity bills mean we're better off than 50 years ago. The share of money spent on fuel and heating bills has actually halved from 6% in 1957, when coal was the key fuel, to more like 3% today.

See if you can save cash on gas and electricity bills now

Shock tactics or fact?
So what of Norwich Union's shock predictions? Should we be concerned that we could be looking at grocery bills that include £21.23 for 100g of instant coffee, £14.13 for 250g of butter, £98.43 for 500g of cheddar cheese and £57.98 for a pint of bitter down our local?

Well, the latest statistics show that the UK savings ratio went negative in the early months of this year - for the first time since 1958. It recovered slightly in the second quarter but really only slightly, to 0.4%.

In the three months from January to March the average Briton earned £3,751 on average, or £1,250 a month. Yet the average person spent £3,792, leaving a shortfall of £41 in the quarter, or about £13.66 each month. They had to find that from their savings, resulting in the first negative savings rate for six decades.

The average person saved a mere £16 during the three months to the end of June. Average income was £3,826, or about £1,275 a month, with spending of £3,810 in the quarter, or £1,270 a month.

See the top savings accounts

Wage slaves
Of course, you have to factor earnings into the equation to really get a clear picture of just how price rises will hit our pockets.

All being well, wages will continue to rise - although not necessarily in line with the cost of living. However, history shows that earnings do (periods of economic downturn aside) rise higher, and faster than living costs. In my nearly 20 years of working I've never seen it!!

For instance, the average weekly earnings of full-time manual workers are 40 times greater today than they were in the early 1950s. For men, average weekly pay has risen from £9 in 1952 to £360 in 2001, and for women from under £5 to £240. oh come on, we're not all that stupid

Which means that all is not as it first appears. In fact, prices still look pretty good, even if they were to continue to increase as they have done for the past 50 years. Thanks to the advancement of technology and global trade, the cost of living is still cheaper than it was 50 years ago. Debatable? Yea there was surely alot less cr@p to fill your lives with, but with that alot less 'I want, me me me...!!'

Take as an example a Belling cooker that cost £43 19s in 1958. That's the equivalent of £1,876.16 today when you compare it to average earnings in 1958. So yes it is cheaper to build now due to technology advancements but look at the build quality now it truly sucks

Only too right then that it was said to "...really look after itself. It will switch itself on, keep the oven at exactly the right heat and then switch off when the meal is cooked even though you're miles away at work or shopping." It needed to for that sort of money. We wouldn't expect to pay anywhere near that amount today. And thankfully we don't have to.

Or take the price of tea. In 1870 "normal working-class quality" tea sold at 3s 4d per pound-weight. In 1889 Lipton tea was offered at "the phenomenally low price" of 1s 7d per pound.

But compare those prices in today's money and you get a different picture altogether. The 1889 price would be equivalent to £5.83 in today's money and the 1870 price would be a whopping £10.62 today. Not exactly what you call low price. And when compared to average earnings of the day you're looking at £36.03 for a brew in 1889, and an astonishing £87.78 in 1870. Is it worth puting anything here Surprised

But before you settle back and think everything's OK at today's prices, bear one more thing in mind. It's not the people in employment who will be worst hit by a continued rise in prices. It never is. It is those in retirement, who have a fixed income to live off, who will be most affected. And, if you're a day over 20 that will be you (assuming that retirement age is 70 in 50 years' time).

The elderly hardest hit
Older people now have less to spend that pensioners did in the 1950s. Data shows that the basic state pension is just 15.9% of the average wage, compared to 18.4% 57 years ago.

The figures, revealed by the Liberal Democrats, show that in 1950 the average full-time weekly wage was worth £7.08 (equivalent to £499 in today's money) while the basic weekly state pension was £1.36 (£91.65). Last year the average wage had climbed to £549.80, but the pension was just £87.30. and what of the pilfery minimum wage??

The message is, start setting something aside for your latter years. Because as prices rise, which they will do, and pensions fail to keep up (which is almost inevitable) it's will become increasingly difficult to live as comfortably as you might like if you intend to live on a basic state pension alone. So us corporate banking B... can rip you off later just as we have now!! Twisted Evil

Can anyone afford to retire?


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Abby and her new friends discover that supplies won't be shared equally in the new world. A gang of armed thugs have laid claim to all the shops in the area, leaving them short of food and water.


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That depends on the type of retirement package your on. For example those with index linked final salary schemes (re: public sector workers, police MPs, teachers, etc) will be receiving monthly payments well in excess of those who work.

The main reason for our consistent inflation bustings council tax rises and continual service cuts is to fund these unsustainable retirement packages and of course to fund the huge escalating debts incurred as a result of total financial mismanagement of public monies by supposedly public servants.

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Trailer for THE FINAL PROGRAMME (The Last Man on Earth) from Robert Fuest.
This bizarre Sci-fi movie was filmed in 1973 by Robert Fuest. The movie based on the first Jerry Cornelius novel (The Final Programme) by Michael Moorcock.
THE FUTURE IS CANCELLED!
As the world teeters on the brink of nuclear anarchy, swinging London scientific genius Jerry Cornelius (Jon Finch) discovers that the microfilm formula for a self-replicating human being is missing. With the help of the diabolic computer expert Miss Brunner (Jenny Runacre), the pair must race through a wasteland by murder and madness to recover "The Final Programme" and trigger the creation of a startling new messiah.
Also known as THE LAST DAYS OF MAN ON EARTH, this bizarre blend of stylish action, dark satire and wild sci-fi features a score by Moog pioneers Beaver & Krause with Jerry Mulligan.


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But before you settle back and think everything's OK at today's prices, bear one more thing in mind. It's not the people in employment who will be worst hit by a continued rise in prices. It never is. It is those in retirement, who have a fixed income to live off, who will be most affected.


That depends on the type of retirement package your on. For example those with index linked final salary schemes (re: public sector workers, police MPs, teachers, etc) will be receiving monthly payments well in excess of those who work.

The main reason for our consistent inflation bustings council tax rises and continual service cuts is to fund these unsustainable retirement packages and of course to fund the huge escalating debts incurred as a result of total financial mismanagement of public monies by supposedly public servants.

If we had public accountability we might stand a chance!


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Trailer for THE FINAL PROGRAMME (The Last Man on Earth) from Robert Fuest.
This bizarre Sci-fi movie was filmed in 1973 by Robert Fuest. The movie based on the first Jerry Cornelius novel (The Final Programme) by Michael Moorcock.
THE FUTURE IS CANCELLED!
As the world teeters on the brink of nuclear anarchy, swinging London scientific genius Jerry Cornelius (Jon Finch) discovers that the microfilm formula for a self-replicating human being is missing. With the help of the diabolic computer expert Miss Brunner (Jenny Runacre), the pair must race through a wasteland by murder and madness to recover "The Final Programme" and trigger the creation of a startling new messiah.
Also known as THE LAST DAYS OF MAN ON EARTH, this bizarre blend of stylish action, dark satire and wild sci-fi features a score by Moog pioneers Beaver & Krause with Jerry Mulligan.


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was a 50s Vincent Price movie unless that has a different title? The Omega Man with Charlton Heston is a 70s remake I also think its been made more recently with another title again. I found the Last Woman on Earth quite enjoyable too but got rid of it a while ago Wink
Soilent Green with Charlton Heston is pretty spot on with the elites thuggery. But I still say the Directors Cut of Brazil is by far the closest =D strangely still unavailabe in Big Brother central Exclamation

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Insightful article by Jeremy Clarkson - Worth a read...

Monday, 15 December 2008
Jeremy Clarkson - The End Of Days

It’s painting Gordon Brown as a global economic messiah and fiddling about with Vat, pretending that the coming recession will be bad. But that it can deal with it.

I don’t think it can. I have spoken to a couple of pretty senior bankers in the past couple of weeks and their story is rather different. They don’t refer to the looming problems as being like 1992 or even 1929. They talk about a total financial meltdown. They talk about the End of Days.

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US War College warns military must prepare for unrest; IMF warns of economic riots
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.........“Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,” said the War College report. The study says economic collapse, terrorism and loss of legal order are among possible domestic shocks that might require military action within the U.S. .................

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Advert on Prison Planet - not seen this one in my Sunday colour supplement.

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Every time I see that advert, I cannot help wondering just WHO is ramping up the fear level*. If you've ever seen Nic Cage's film 'Lord of War', as every gun-totin' American should, it's very easy to see who would win the shoot out.

As the noted Jewish anarchist, Emma Goldman, so succinctly put it way back:

"Violence from the bottom of society will invariably be met with vastly superior violence from the top"

On a practical note, a one second burst from an AK-47 now costs $50...

* perhaps a rhetorical query as it is well known that flakey bankers live in a permanent state of mortal dread - it's an inherent part of their make-up. They can't help spreading their inadequacies around.

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As the noted Jewish anarchist, Emma Goldman, so succinctly put it way back:

"Violence from the bottom of society will invariably be met with vastly superior violence from the top"



Amen to that. This is the strongest argument for the Ghandian method of non-violent direct action.

There are plenty of examples of gains being made by this kind of approach:

abolition of slavery

emancipation of women

Indian independence struggle

US civil rights movement

movement in Phillipines which got rid of dictator Marcos

Solidarity in Poland

Velvet revolution in Czechoslovakia

Venezuela

even the ending of Apartheid in SA was largely through non-violent struggle.

etc

Yes I know such advances often get reversed. I know all forms of governance have shortcomings, but people's advances are often made through non-violent struggle.
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Tracy Worcester talks about supermarkets and the lack of food security here
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WINNIPEG | Thu Aug 5, 2010 8:28pm EDT

Manitoba (Reuters) - Chicago wheat futures soared on Thursday, settling up the permitted daily maximum for the first time in two years after No. 3 exporter Russia said it would temporarily halt grain shipments.

Russia's worst drought on record has devastated crops in parts of the country and caused international grain prices to spike as markets placed bets that without shipments from one of the world's leading exporters, global supplies would be restricted.

Chicago Board of Trade soft red winter wheat has risen seven of the past eight days and buying by funds and traders initially spilled across the grain markets. Corn and soybeans pared most of their gains to end up 0.8 and 0.2 percent respectively.

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Dare to Prepare: Collapse of Civilization Now Guaranteed

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"It has been written" as the saying goes. For many generations there have been small groups of people who have researched and protested the criminal nature of our rulers who cast their disease on civilization. These activists screamed truth to the masses about humanity's hidden slavery, yet few listened.

However, the injustices have now become too extreme, too obvious, that the truth has risen to near critical mass with the independent-minded population. And indeed many more sheep, who unknowingly fund their own prison, are waking up by the minute.

But can this mass awakening prevent our civilization from collapsing during this detonation period? Sorry folks, the answer is no. Because even if "The Resistance" is successful in swiftly overtaking the controls of government and overturns the Federal Reserve, the dominoes set in motion by the corporate rulers are still likely to fall as they still control the food, the oil, and the heavy weapons. Furthermore, the Federal Reserve will fight it out to the death, and they have the power to simply shut everything down with a flick of the switch.

The excellent story last week by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of Treasury under Reagan, called "The Year America Dissolved" dramatically describes the breakdown of civilization playing out in America:

It was 2017. Clans were governing America.

The first clans organized around local police forces. The conservatives’ war on crime during the late 20th century and the Bush/Obama war on terror during the first decade of the 21st century had resulted in the police becoming militarized and unaccountable.


As society broke down, the police became warlords. The state police broke apart, and the officers were subsumed into the local forces of their communities. The newly formed tribes expanded to encompass the relatives and friends of the police.

With the dollar’s demise, import prices skyrocketed. As Americans were unable to afford foreign-made goods, the transnational corporations that were producing offshore for US markets were bankrupted, further eroding the government’s revenue base.

The government was forced to print money in order to pay its bills, causing domestic prices to rise rapidly. Faced with hyperinflation, Washington took recourse in terminating Social Security and Medicare and followed up by confiscating the remnants of private pensions. This provided a one-year respite, but with no more resources to confiscate, money creation and hyperinflation resumed.

Organized food deliveries broke down when the government fought hyperinflation with fixed prices and the mandate that all purchases and sales had to be in US paper currency. Unwilling to trade appreciating goods for depreciating paper, goods disappeared from stores.

In an interview about the article, Roberts said he tried for years to reach people with facts and figures and hoped some fictional reality would work better. When asked if anything could be done to stop it, he responded "not at this rate." In addition to Roberts' piece comes the elite Rockefeller Foundation's analysis of the future of America. They are strikingly similar in their tone and outcomes:

The years 2010 to 2020 were dubbed the 'doom decade' for good reason: the 2012 Olympic bombing, which killed 13,000, was followed closely by an earthquake in Indonesia killing 40,000, a tsunami that almost wiped out Nicaragua, and the onset of the West China Famine, caused by a once-in a-millennium drought linked to climate change...

Not surprisingly, this opening series of deadly asynchronous catastrophes (there were more) put enormous pressure on an already overstressed global economy that had entered the decade still in recession...prompting the Economist headline: 'Is the Planet Finally Bankrupt?'

These dire circumstances forced tough tradeoffs. In 2015, the U.S. reallocated a large share of its defense spending to domestic concerns, pulling out of Afghanistan... Resource scarcities and trade disputes, together with severe economic and climate stresses, pushed many alliances and partnerships to the breaking point; they also sparked proxy wars and low-level conflict in resource-rich parts of the developing world. Nations raised trade barriers in order to protect their domestic sectors against imports and — in the face of global food and resource shortages — to reduce exports of agricultural produce and other commodities.

With government power weakened, order rapidly disintegrating, and safety nets evaporating, violence and crime grew more rampant. Countries with ethnic, religious, or class divisions saw especially sharp spikes in hostility.

So, the future "has been written" by the masters of the universe and has now entered the collective consciousness of a huge number of people. Whether the motivator is religion, science, economics, philosophy, government, or all of the above; the experts and the commoners alike see it coming, therefore it shall be. And most importantly, the powers-that-be require this rough road in America to pave their global agenda through.

The collapse has even entered into the mainstream debate by default or by popular demand. Given the rapid growth of the the resistance movement on the Internet, the mainstream news outlets know exactly which articles are driving traffic to their respective websites, and it isn't fluff pieces anymore. Sure we may look at a picture of Lindsay Lohan half-naked and wasted in a bar while were on the Huffington Post, but that's not what drove us there. The stories with the sharp fangs of truth and outrage are primarily running the show now and they are fully aware of it.

The Roberts and Rockefeller warnings of complete collapse are a few years out, although we are certainly experiencing the first dominoes falling. It seems futile to try to stop the collapse, therefore the immediate focus should be on preparation. Does that mean we should stop waking people up? No, but we should encourage them to prepare now for a societal breakdown.

To the sheep who happened to stumble upon this radical little article and don't think it can happen in America -- picture your city as Detroit, but without Federal aid, food or fuel . . . and welcome to the new world order!


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The majority of Americans believe that recent government intervention into financial markets, the economy and corporate insolvency has reversed the economic downturn which was described by former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson as being “on the brink” in 2008. The stimulus, bailouts and unrelenting quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve have thus far been perceived as having averted the further erosion of the U.S. real estate and equities markets. And though the Federal Reserve and economic analysts have recently readjusted their economic growth forecasts downward for the next six months, Americans no longer have to worry about, as Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) said on the house floor in October of 2008, the sky falling, multi-thousand point drops in stock markets and martial law in America.

The recovery - if our government, the Federal Reserve and mainstream media are to be believed - is on the road to recovery - albeit slowly and with some more pain ahead.
If we’ve “prevented economic collapse” and “avoided the depression many feared,” according to President Obama, inquiring minds are asking why the Pentagon and US Military are actively and aggressively engaged in planning responsive action to large scale economic breakdown and civil unrest scenarios:
Ever since the crash of 2008 the defense intelligence establishment has really been paying a lot of attention to global markets and how they can serve as a threat to U.S. national security interests. At one upcoming seminar next month they’re taking a look at a lot of the issues.
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According to the report, the Army has spent time on financial market trading floors with JP Morgan and others, in the hopes that they can learn more about how a financial and economic attack may occur, and what the ramifications of such attacks on US stocks and bonds may be.
The Army, in a year-long war games series called Unified Quest 2011, is looking at a variety of possibilities and how to deal with them, including:
the implications of “large scale economic breakdown” inside of the United States
how to maintain “domestic order amid civil unrest”
and ways to deal with fragmented global power and drastically lower budgets
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Clearly, the U.S. government is making contingency plans to deal with a worst-case, all-out-collapse scenario of not only the economy, but our social and political systems.

The war gaming, according to reports, began in 2008 at the onset of the economic crisis, but planners from not just the United States, but around the globe, may have been aware of the dire possibility of economic collapse even earlier. It’s well known that the U.S. government as well as foreign counterparts have been preparing bunkers and continuity of government for decades, but recent preparedness activities suggest that the planning in some aspects has been expedited. Anecdotal evidence indicates that the US government has been the leading buyer of freeze died foods for the last couple of years, and private emergency shelter contractors have reported a shortage in equipment and supplies for building personal-sized bunkers.

In a previous report titled Homeland Security To “Regionalize” Emergency Supplies Over Next 90 Days, we pointed out that FEMA, headed by Department of Homeland Security, is decentralizing emergency supplies from one main distribution facility in Washington D.C. to fifteen regional facilities around the country. Even the Russians and the EU are in high gear. Russia has reportedly begun planning and development of 5,000 new underground bunkers for the city of Moscow scheduled for completion no later than 2012. The EU, in 2006, commissioned the building of a “Doomsday Seed Vault” in a mountainside several hundred feet above sea level. The facility was built and fully stocked with millions of seeds from around the world within 18 months.

Though the activities of global governments in recent years could potentially be chalked up to standard national security preparedness and contingency planning, the most alarming indicator that the U.S. government is not just looking at one-in-a-million possibilities in terms of economic collapse is the training of several thousand U.S. Army soldiers to respond to domestic policing and enforcement issues that may include evacuation, detainment and riot response. The real possibility of the need to deploy U.S. military under martial law exists, and the U.S. government is spending millions of dollars training and equipping soldiers to do so if necessary.
For those who may have their doubts about some of the scenarios these soldiers are training for, we point out the sign being held by one of the riot role players below.

(Photo taken by U.S. Airforce Tech. Sgt. Brian E. Christiansen, North Carolina National Guard at Vigilant Guard training exercise Ft. Richardson, Alaska - April 2010)

More military training exercise pictures and descriptions

It is hard to imagine an America under an economic attack so serious that the U.S. economy could suffer a collapse that would essentially put an end to the world as we have come to know it. But for those who think rationally, especially given the current malaise in financial markets and the U.S. dollar, the possibility cannot be ruled out.

As such, any government acting in the interests of national security would take steps to deal with and respond to such an event(s).
For the average populace prole, however, there may not be any real assistance should something like this occur. First and foremost, any government response to an attack on our financial and economic systems will have the primary goal of maintaining order and the rule of law, as well as continuity of government. This is a given.

This means that if, for whatever reason, be it a collapse of the US dollar that leads to disruptions in the flow of U.S. food supplies or an economic war that goes “hot” leading to worst-case scenarios like cyber attacks on U.S. infrastructure elements like electric and water utility plants or an EMP attack, the government’s mandate will not be to provide food and security for your family, but rather, for those who are deemed essential to accomplishing the primary goals.

This means that when and/or if it hits the fan, you’re going to be on your own.
If you haven’t yet, we recommend taking the advice of FEMA (pdf), who suggest that every family have emergency preparedness supplies on hand, including food and water, for at least a couple of weeks.

For the hard core “preppers” amongst us, you may have already considered this possibility and the chance that the fallout from an economic collapse may lead to an inability to perform daily transactions with the U.S. dollar, food supply disruptions, violence and looting, and even a completely ‘down-grid’ where utilities are completely out of service. If you haven’t, what would you do if you awoke to news of a total meltdown in the US dollar - one that led to rejection of the US dollar as a currency for international settlement?

Will you be the one facing off against highly trained U.S. military personnel holding a “Food Now” sign at an inner city riot?

The U.S. government and many of their counterparts around the world are getting ready - just in case - maybe you should be too.

This is what they have in store for us

http://saladin-avoiceinthewilderness.blogspot.com/2011/01/pentagon-mil itary-actively-war-gaming.html

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