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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Financial support for campaign Reply with quote

The British 9/11 Truth Campaign is in constant need of finance to pay for:
- visiting speakers' travel
- hire of rooms
- printing of materials
- movie making
- equipment
- administrative costs.

We now have an easy method for folk to contribute a donation through this forum, via Paypal and/or via credit card. We hope that that will mean we are not constantly so short of funds.

Please use the Donate Button on the home page of this forum to support the work or the British 9/11 Truth Campaign, if you think this work deserves support.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If supporters would like to invite their email networks to contribute, using either of the following URLs will work:

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https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick&business=911%40rinf% 2ecom&item_name=Donate%20to%20the%20British%20911%20Truth%20Campaign&n o_shipping=0&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=GBP&lc=GB&bn=PP%2dDonations BF&charset=UTF%2d8

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If you would like to place the donate button on your own web site, copy and paste this code into your HTML:

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: financing the campaign Reply with quote

This is mainly directed at Tony who said re. my message on the Forum about helping the campaign by Standing Order that people wouldn't want to do that unless they could have some idea of how the money will be spent - well Xmasdale has already provided a kind of breakdown of typical costs on this thread and one or two others I've consulted said that campaigning costs are self-evident, you don't need to spell those out!

However perhaps you (Tony) could attach a PS to my message on the Forum: "Regular donors to the campaign will be consulted as to how their contributions are to be spent and will automatically receive a copy of the annual audited accounts."

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: financing the campaign Reply with quote

Well,

Since you want to go public on what I think might be better as a private campaign discussion (when's the next meeting sec.?) you've missed my point, so here goes.

What I meant and thought I said was 'people want to know what they will get for their money' which is quite a lot different to 'people want to know how their money will be spent'.

Please see
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=104357#104357
What I suggested was either people should get a snailmail newsletter or else invites to special events such as when we have authors over to speak. People won't want to donate just to get a copy of the accounts.


B wrote:
This is mainly directed at Tony who said re. my message on the Forum about helping the campaign by Standing Order that people wouldn't want to do that unless they could have some idea of how the money will be spent - well Xmasdale has already provided a kind of breakdown of typical costs on this thread and one or two others I've consulted said that campaigning costs are self-evident, you don't need to spell those out!

However perhaps you (Tony) could attach a PS to my message on the Forum: "Regular donors to the campaign will be consulted as to how their contributions are to be spent and will automatically receive a copy of the annual audited accounts."



As regards the above suggested edit - if you can't do that yourself I'll look into why not!!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way there seems to be a problem with the donate button. When I click DONATE PayPal no longer remembers which account (ours) users are donating to. All it allows me to do is log in.

When the button first appeared 2 wks or so ago it worked fine and when you logged into paypal you got straight to a screen enabling you to donate directly to our bank account.

I guess we're dicing with the devil using PayPal but what choice is there?

I just got a PM to the same effect which is why I checked it out.


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We need instructions next to the button....

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Click on 'Send Money' then donate whatever amount you wish to xyz@abc.co.uk

where xyz@abc.co.uk is the email address to which we want people to donate.

Also a good idea to have a name and address to send cheques to.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorted now.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TG stated:-

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What I meant and thought I said was 'people want to know what they will get for their money' which is quite a lot different to 'people want to know how their money will be spent'.


B stated

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This is mainly directed at Tony who said re. my message on the Forum about helping the campaign by Standing Order that people wouldn't want to do that unless they could have some idea of how the money will be spent - well Xmasdale has already provided a kind of breakdown of typical costs on this thread and one or two others I've consulted said that campaigning costs are self-evident, you don't need to spell those out!

However perhaps you (Tony) could attach a PS to my message on the Forum: "Regular donors to the campaign will be consulted as to how their contributions are to be spent and will automatically receive a copy of the annual audited accounts


I can see where TG is coming from in what he says, however I am conscious that when money gets involved things tend to go pear-shaped especially when theres no accountability systems in place.

I believe that people who believe in the cause and that their contribution will make a difference will make a donation. whether it is their voluntary time and/or a financial donation.

So how does the campaign win over potential donaters?

The campaign needs to be run in a business like fashion and with full public accountability, we need a business plan with projects and targets.

Remember those Blue Peter Xmas appeals Wink

For example in September 2006 the DRG event was successfully pulled off at the eleventh hour however the financial and voluntary burden fell on the dedicated few. What would have occured if at the start of 2006 full details of what was planned, a resources requisition had been announced and a request for donations with a target fund of £x had been made. You have to at least give potential volunteers and donaters the opportunity to get involved.

Perhaps a running total on the front page showing total donations to date mayinfluence more donations or registering the campaign as a registered charity? it certainly would provide accountability.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikey wrote:
Perhaps a running total on the front page showing total donations to date mayinfluence more donations


We're working on this.. should be ready by next week.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have seen the result of the work on the sites front/home page appear earlier (but it appears to have been removed. all that remains at present is a space above Bs statement) I was not impressed Mick, because it stated:-

1. amount in dollars. Its a UK not US campaign!

2. and that donations received were nil. I know that is a travesty of the truth.

I hope that not many people saw that Mick because potentially its very damaging for the campaign and its accountability and also will understandably upset those who have to date made financial donations.

Was this action committee/treasurer peer reviewed before being implemented?

I welcome this initiative when it is done correctly.

Also is the donations counter to be included on the campaigns owned official website www.911truthcampaign.net?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikey wrote:

1. amount in dollars. Its a UK not US campaign!

2. and that donations received were nil. I know that is a travesty of the truth.

I hope that not many people saw that Mick because potentially its very damaging for the campaign and its accountability and also will understandably upset those who have to date made financial donations.

Was this action committee/treasurer peer reviewed before being implemented?

I welcome this initiative when it is done correctly.


1. That's chipin for you, it's an American system. You could always learn Flash / Actionscript and make a better one though.

2. Try giving the campaign a dontation if you don't like seeing $0 Wink

The chipin system runs from the date it was implimented, there's not a lot we can do about that.

To answer your final question, Toseef suggested this to Ian who told him to contact me. I think it's a very good idea.

Your constant criticism of this campaign is getting boring Steve. If you're not happy with something, try to fix it or offer an alternative but please stop moaning about every little thing we do. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2. Try giving the campaign a dontation if you don't like seeing $0


I've already given a financial donation to the campaign in the past Mick as the campaign Treasurer wll be able to verify.

I have no intention of making any further personal donations to the campaign until I see a business plan for the UK 911 truth campaign which I feel has a chance of success.

I would however be willing to contribute to this proposal which appeared in the May 2007 agenda minutes:-


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Paul B proposed that the Campaign should refund B as soon as possible. This was unanimously carried.


how about a contribution from rinf.com as well in view of all the rinf links now on this site sending traffic your way. Very Happy

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If I do criticise its meant to be constructive, in what I feel is the best interests, of the UK 911 Truth campaign which I joined in February 2005.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikey wrote:

how about a contribution from rinf.com as well in view of all the rinf links now on this site sending traffic your way. Very Happy

Actually Steve if you had ever checked out the stats you'd realise it's the other way round, besides Google, this site gets most of its traffic from links on 2 web sites - rinf.com and bilderberg.org.

If you need a traffic comparison I can provide it for you: rinf.com gets an average of 206414 hits per day. Do the math.

FYI I've spent that last 4 months working on a system that will give nineeleven.co.uk a 50-50% share of the money made from Google ads placed on rinf.com news pages. It isn't finished yet so there's not much else to say.

Pikey wrote:

If I do criticise its meant to be constructive, in what I feel is the best interests, of the UK 911 Truth campaign which I joined in February 2005.


With the many hours that I and many others around here put into managing the different aspects of this site, the campaign and the wider movement only to hear criticism from people who don't even bother to stack a chair at events, help with event organisation & promotion or help out with event costs, yet find the time to chime in about what should and shouldn't happen, is starting to grate on me. No offense.

By the way, if you really want to see a business plan why don't you make one?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, you have some nerve.

I do not often post on here, but this time I feel that I must.

Surely, as far as accountability goes, Noel has already outlined where money would go and I am pretty sure (although I can not speak for Belinda) that she would outline where many has gone through donations as her role of Treasurer. This is a campaign we are talking about, it is not a business. Just the same as people donate money to other campaigns to support them in their activities, this is what we are aiming to do also. Financial reports are given at the AGM, as you know.

However, I am particularly sickened at the mention of RINF giving a donation to the campaign. Do you realise how much money Mick and myself have put into events which are for the campaign or movement? Where do you think this money is coming from?! With the amount of time, money and effort that both Mick and myself (as well as countless others) have put in, I do find this insulting.

Mick and myself have organised and run several events in Lancaster. We have made losses at most events which has made an impact on our personal lives. We are not bothered about this, it is our choice. We want to get the information out there to people in our community. When was the last time that you made a donation to our events or in Morecambe? When have you helped us to organise or run a local event? What help have you provided on the night of events? When it comes to putting things out or tidying away, we've even had attendees of events help us out to do this. We've had people in their 60s help us.

I am getting bored of hearing all the moaning on this site when you are not pro-active.

I don't see the contribution button as the only means of contributing effectively to the campaign. There are many people in the campaign and movement who spend a great deal of time (and their own money) in organising events (both local and national); producing DVDs, leaflets, flyers; visiting MPs; running their own websites/forums; talking to the media; fundraising; travelling throughout the country to strengthen the network; taking part in protests; making documentaries; undertaking research; providing accommodation in their own homes for supporters and speakers; providing assistance with transport.

The people who do this, do this without public recognition for the most part. They do this to support both campaign and movement. They give up their personal time, sometimes in detriment to their family life. They don't ask for praise. They don't make demands. They don't give ultimatums. They just DO it. They support.

The other interesting thing is that many of those people who do this are not actively involved in this forum.

I understand that not everyone can do everything on the list of things that people do. We all have our own commitments, our own skills and our own choices. This is where I see the financial part comes in. Those who, for whatever reason, 'can't' proactively do something, at least can help support those of us who do.

Rather than picking holes in things, why not do something about it. As I'm sure I've said directly to you before, it is far easier (IMO) to sit behind a computer screen and point fingers than to actually be out there and doing something.

I've heard you say so many times about doing and being pro-active. After, as you say, joining the campaign since Feb 2005, maybe it's time to DO something yourself?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope that's an end to this blame-mongering and that we can take the most cogent points from all. This stuff should be discussed on e-mail gentlemen not here.

We do have a serious problem with the financial side of things IMO in that people will donate if they can see that our organisation has its act together enough to do these three things.

1. Have a cogent plan of achievable goals for the year.
2. Have at least a quarterly printed and posted out newsletter which includes invites to campaign events and socials.
3. Have a credible media operation (several steps up from this press conference).

When the above are up and running we are showing to potential donatees that we are a serious organisation and they will put their hands in their pockets.

We passed a resolution at the 2007 AGM in May to appoint a press officer but that hasn't happened.
Probably because there's no money, it's a skilled and very wearing job so has to be paid, unless there are any volunteers out there.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. Have a cogent plan of achievable goals for the year.
2. Have at least a quarterly printed and posted out newsletter which includes invites to campaign events and socials.
3. Have a credible media operation (several steps up from this press conference).


Could be a catch 22 but if every person on the forum donated just £1 a month, that's enough get things kick started.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup,

See what you're saying but it's not money that's delayed or prevented a printed newsletter being deveoloped it's lack of organisation.

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Could be a catch 22 but if every person on the forum donated just £1 a month, that's enough get things kick started.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See what you're saying but it's not money that's delayed or prevented a printed newsletter being deveoloped it's lack of organisation.


The current (email) newsletter is pretty good... wouldn't be too difficult to make a print version. The printing and postage costs could work out expensive though unless regional groups pay for their own stock like some do with infowars merchandise.

WyldeChylde started a thread about printing a newsletter, great initiative but would be a daunting task to do alone. I suppose we just have to group together everyone who wants to make it happen.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With some freedom from the matrix I have some time to respond to the rant and untrue allegations made against me by Sixy, who for those who are not aware is Mick Meaneys female partner and a primary school teacher.

Unlike some folk I will not refer to your name Sixy since I respect your desire to use a pseudonym on a public forum.

I am prompted also by this recent thread in which Mick sticks the knife in Justin and the Cumbria 911 Truth group (which I joined and have supported since Feb 2005):-


http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=119405&highlight=#11 9405

This is supposed to be a truth site and this is my sincere and honest response:-

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This is a campaign we are talking about, it is not a business.


I'm not saying its a business but that to be successful it needs to be focused and have a business plan.

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However, I am particularly sickened at the mention of RINF giving a donation to the campaign. Do you realise how much money Mick and myself have put into events which are for the campaign or movement? Where do you think this money is coming from?! With the amount of time, money and effort that both Mick and myself (as well as countless others) have put in, I do find this insulting.


Mick asked first if I was going to make a donation so I gave my honest response and asked him if he was.

Lets rewind here. I first started to discuss getting a Lancaster/Morecambe 911 Truth group going back in the early summer of 2006 when Mick reappeared at the Cumbria 911 truth group meetings as the campaign was stepping up a gear with the 5th anniversary events planned for London(re: DRG at Conwy Hall, etc)

I was frustrated that the Cumbria group was doing no local 911 activism other than Justin writing and group meetings with the constituency Lib-dem MP Tim Farron and consequently the group was stagnating. Cumbria meetings were dominated by Justin (or Capt Mainwearing as Laurie suggested on our Sedgefield trip with the london group in May 2005) reading out his superbly crafted letters targeting politicians. A top of the pyramid hitting strategy which I believed would never work.

What I really wanted to do was show 911 truth presentations locally as a group with an LCD projector, but we had no sound & vision gear and no funds.

With support from the West Yorkshire group, particularly Ants and Joseph, and the launch of the David Shayler/Annie Machon roadshow, Micks Lancaster Truth campaign was born.

The first two events were held at Korners pub in Lancaster which Mick had negotiated a price of £35 for hire a a room. Both were well attended, the first being a full house (approx 50) due imo to more time promoting the event and it appearing in the local press and David & Annie being familiar names.

The first event was in December 2006 with David & Annie on the subject of their experience in MI5 and their analysis of 911.

The second event was in January 2007 with Ian Cranes superb 911 and 7/7 connection presentation

With help and support from Penny and Maureen from 911 Truth Cumbria, selling books/dvds, distributing literature, running a raffle both events after paying the expense of the venue and speakers made a healthy profit. Mick took on the responsibility of looking after kitty.

These events were promoted by Mick and me driving atound in my car sticking flyers all over, contacting newspapers, the Bay radio, etc

At each event we asked people provide their e mails for keeping them posted on future events. Towards the end of December my PC became dysfunctional and I could get no-one to be able to sort it so I passed on the e mail listing to Mick at his request.

The second event came up trumps with a guy called Sam who coincidenally I had met in 2005 at Holme. One of his best friends had a partner who was a Chief reporter at the local newspaper and he also had a contact at St Martins college. He proved also on the night to be a good pianist.

This produced a fabulous free hire venue for the third and biggest LTC event William Rodriguez in a lecture theatre at St Martins college Lancaster and a full page spread interview with Willie and promotion of the event in the newspaper.

Mick produced his flyers with had RINF on and my flyers had www.nineeleven.co.uk on them.

Andrew Johnson also played a key part by supplying us with a 10 minute dvd compilation of David Shayler intro/the analysis of the collapse of WTC1,2 and 7 intro as well as providing literature etc. the dvd was played before Willie took the stage.

The event was a huge success with over 100 in the audience and donations flooded in. So after paying Willies,Annies, Ants expenses etc what level were the funds at? I asked Mick a week after the event and he said that he had not counted it up. The answer to that question remains a mystery.

At the event I noticed on the podium were Willie was speaking www.rinf.com in large letters. Thats when I started asking myself what was motivating Mick in his 911 truth activism. What interests were coming first the UK 911 truth campaign or rinf.com?

One of the tasks which became difficult to resolve after the event was the payment of Andrew Johnsons costs. Mick had the funds but he could send the monet to Andrew. Penny sent a cheque to Andrew and got cash from Mick in the end.

After this event the question was how to folow it up. Mick was going with Ian Cranes 911 Occult which I suggested doing later after showing the solid stuff like 911 eyewitness, Press for truth etc as it was a bit risky.

After attending a 911 truth workshop at Blackpool which Annie was running and which sam, Sixy and Mick attended, all contact was lost with Sam and the st Martins venue became only available at a huge cost!. I asked Mick for Sams mobile number but he never obliged.

Communication with Mick became very difficult and I decided to take a back seat and go with the flow.

Mick purchased an LCD projector and selected films to show. and with Sixy the first local RINF.com roadshow began being Press for Truth at the Quakers Friends Meeting House in Lancaster. There were about ten people who attended.

I attended all the RINF.com 911 truth presentations and the format was the same walk in the room and on the screen was RINF.com. There was also no discussion amongst the audience after the showing.

Also as you know Sixy, my dad was suffering with cancer and I was spending as much of my free time with him. Sadly he passed away in October 2007. Crying or Very sad In July 2007 my mobility was reduced when my leg was in plaster after rupturing my achilles tendon.


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When was the last time that you made a donation to our events or in Morecambe?


Every 911 truth related Rinf event I attended after the third Lancaster Truth campaign event I made a donation but i never saw anyone else doing so. I also made a donation at Alberts only Morecambe 911 truth event which you refer to.

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When have you helped us to organise or run a local event?


I did this on the first three events. After that Mick decided to do it his way only.

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What help have you provided on the night of events? When it comes to putting things out or tidying away, we've even had attendees of events help us out to do this. We've had people in their 60s help us.


I did all of this on the first three events. Presumably the people in their 60s you refer to are Albert & Marilyn. Well at the events I attended I taxied them to and from home.

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I am getting bored of hearing all the moaning on this site when you are not pro-active.


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Rather than picking holes in things, why not do something about it. As I'm sure I've said directly to you before,
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it is far easier (IMO) to sit behind a computer screen and point fingers than to actually be out there and doing something.


You mean like getting up at 4am in the morning to do some high risk 911 truth activism on more than one occasion?

I've heard you say so many times about doing and being pro-active. After, as you say, joining the campaign since Feb 2005, maybe it's time to DO something yourself?


I have as many 911 truth activists will be able to verify. Ask Mick for starters. He knows what its like getting up at 4am. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I could shred that apart Steve but I won't waste my time, it's just turning into a bit of a joke really.

Still though, looking forward to you getting a Lancaster based event going.. it's only been 7 months since me and Lou did the last one, nothing holding you back mate Wink Good luck

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dearie me!

I'm not going to reply to the inaccurate comments made by Pikey as I really don't see the point (which is evident on other threads).

I don't see what the relevance of stating my occupation is. It's known on here anyway. Do we need to be labelled according to occupation? Does it matter? Should I get my red pen out?! (Actually, I rarely use a red pen!)

I just feel that it's a shame that several members of a group I was involved with (whether they realised it or not!) feel that it's ok to scandalise situations and make incorrect claims about myself.

I wish everyone all the best with their endeavours, but lets keep it out of the mud now.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I could shred that apart Steve but I won't waste my time, it's just turning into a bit of a joke really.


Well Mick I dont find making false allegations/insinuations against individuals and groups on a public forum funny. Its known as defamation of character Mick. Truth is you cant shred it apart because its all true and you can provide no evidence to show otherwise.

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feel that it's ok to scandalise situations and make incorrect claims about myself.


What inaccurate claims have I made aginst you Sixy?

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I'm not going to reply to the inaccurate comments made by Pikey as I really don't see the point


Its disappointing that individuals who are designated administrator and validated poster by a moderator with zero tolerance are allowed to be get away with such practice without providing evidence.

Justin on the other thread I referred to asked you the key question "What are you trying to achieve Mick?" You did not answer.

I'm confused especially when someone who supports it comes out with the statement "this campaign is fcuked"

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikey,

Maybe you didn't read the part when I said that I wouldn't break down your post as it isn't worth it. This is not a slanging match or an opportunity to try to drag people through the mud. It's just a shame that people use this forum not only to debate but to personally attack.

I don't feel that these back and forward posts are achieving anything for anyone. At the end of the day, it is pretty obvious to me that anyone (past, present or future) who makes any kind of attempt to disagree with any issue or person within the truth movement or campaign is called names (e.g. "shill", "troll") or is faced with some sort of smear campaign against them.

I am not interested in these petty 'fights'. Hence, why I will not respond in such manner. However, if you really want me to point out your inaccuracies and where people have made incorrect claims about myself, pm me, as I now don't see the relevance to other people in reference to the title of this thread. Then, you have my full permission to post my reply into the public domain.

As far as I'm concerned, people using this forum should have wider issues to debate than this. Let's think....erm....9/11? The Iraq War? Civil liberties? etc, etc.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I could shred that apart Steve but I won't waste my time, it's just turning into a bit of a joke really.


Well Mick I dont find making false allegations/insinuations agianst individuals and groups on a public forum forum funny. Its known as defamation of character Mick. Truth is you cant shred it apart because its all true and you can provide no evidence to show otherwise.


You've been given the evidence and you choose to ignore it. That's fine with me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You've been given the evidence and you choose to ignore it


I cant ignore evidence if none is provided Mick

BTW well done with putting the donate system on the official site www.911truthcampaign.net. However when you go on the link there you get this:-


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This recipient is currently unable to receive money.


Maybe thats why donations are still at 20 dollars Sad

Also Linda asked a while ago why the links on the front page to other related sites had been removed. Any chance of putting these back on as you said you would do Mick.

Hope the google ads are generating some much needed funds for the campaign. How much date?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You had the evidence within a day of asking, it's even on the very thread you're linking to above Rolling Eyes

Re the other stuff you mention; You obviously missed the thread and my emails where I stated that I am no longer willing to support this campaign or movement. I don't know / care what's going on with funds. Try asking one of the few people who are willing to share their contact details with you.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You had the evidence within a day of asking, it's even on the very thread you're linking to above


If you are referring to the minutes you have provided on that thread I intend to give me own take on that Mick in due course. Its certainly imo though not evidence that the 911 Truth Cumbria group or those who have supported it (including yourself) is or ever has been anti-semitic, racist, or cultist.

What I was seeking on this thread was evidence to the allegations and personal attack on me by your partner Sixy. Regarding the original purpose of this thread my input was meant to be constructive. sorry if it upset you just wanted the idea to succeed.


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Re the other stuff you mention; You obviously missed the thread and my emails where I stated that I am no longer willing to support this campaign or movement. I don't know / care what's going on with funds. Try asking one of the few people who are willing to share their contact details with you.


Sorry I missed that thread Mick. Could you give us the link to enable me to update myself. I dont have the time to monitor society as you do in order to run rinf.com which as you know I think is an excellent site.

I wasnt aware that you had quit the movement particularly as you identified on here as an "administrator" of the website. I can now understand your comment "the movement is fcuked".

You did copy me in, thank you, to your e mail to the Cumbria group which I read as that you were quitting the Cumbria group only and moving on to more "plausible activism"

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its certainly imo though not evidence that the 911 Truth Cumbria group or those who have supported it (including yourself) is or ever has been anti-semitic, racist, or cultist.


Pikey, I have a Jewish background. I've heard things being said.

If you have anything else to say to me, say it in a pm.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've pmd Sixy and I am delighted to be able to confirm that she now acknowledges the truth that I did physically help/assit with the organisation and make the first three events in Lancaster possible

I will provide further facts on the WTC thread which I refer to earlier to counter the false allegations of anti semitism, racism, and cultism made by Mick about the 911 Cumbria Truth group in due course and before the domain termination day of Friday the 13th!!

It would be helpful Mick if you could provide the link I requested above (here or by pm) and also the e mail listing of those who attended the Lancaster Truth events so that we can e mail them and notify them of future events in North Lancashire and Cumbria.

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I've pmd Sixy and I am delighted to be able to confirm that she now acknowledges the truth that I did physically help/assit with the organisation and make the first three events in Lancaster possible


Well, this isn't quite what I said. Also, I think I'm able to speak for myself.

I thought that issues discussed in pm were meant to be private, the whole point of me communicating with Pikey through pm....and to keep this discussion out of public view, as I had previously requested Rolling Eyes

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