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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, so let me make sure I've got this straight, then. You've got no problems whatsoever with a former KGB agent bulldozing his way to power


Oh, what drivel! Sounds like it comes from another self-righteous Yanqui. Pot calling the kettle black. What about Bush Sr who was head of the CIA before being promoted to President? And his gangster son & his clique of murderers who stole two elections from the US people and is preparing to do so again?

Utter bilge! Where do these cretins come from?

If you didn't already know, TmcMistress (and what kind of fetish is a Tmc Mistress?! ROFL) Europeans, like most of the rest of the world is terrified that your gangster President-by-selection will do something crazy before his term is over. And so do a lot of North Americans apart from the 30% or less that stubbornly (stupidly) insist on supporting a crook, liar and serial killer war criminal.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all fairness Rory,

You are also describing Putin as well as Bush.

Putin does what Bush does but on a slightly smaller scale, for now.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Putin does what Bush does but on a slightly smaller scale, for now.


For now is good enough for me as I'm concerned with what happens in the present. What happens in the future we'll leave for another day. Meantime, what I see is an ex-KGB head behaving in an intelligent and responsible manner as befits a statesman, and similarly the Chinese ... unlike the hysterical warmongers we see in an Anglo-Saxon Alliance in its death throes.

These warmongers need firm treatment. Putin and China are giving it them. Hooray!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

new to the forum but as far as i can tell...no one but no one gets into power anyplace without illuminati or whatever you want to call them, pulling the strings.

communism is a creation by those same wonderful people who are trying to bring you the new world order.

Watching the americans argue hillary and obama in other forums is just gut wrenching...especially in forums where they do not seem to be slouches when it comes to questioning 911.
The majority of people (other forums-) who scream and shout 911 was a set up still seem to forget how to connect the dots when it comes to their upcoming elections.

Anyway my point is simple here I suppose...they are all * evil and in the seven years or so since 911 we still haven't stopped them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh, what drivel! Sounds like it comes from another self-righteous Yanqui.


Oh, joy. Another noobie making "OMG U R FROM TEH AMERICAS" cracks. Should I make a joke about you being snaggle-toothed, or can we just dispense with the bs and move on? Grow up, seriously.


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If you didn't already know, TmcMistress (and what kind of fetish is a Tmc Mistress?! ROFL)


It's a take-off on an indie comic book called Too-Much-Coffee Man.

The rest of your post has nothing worth replying to. I just wanted to clear those couple of things up. Thankfully, even the people on here who disagree with me got over making snide remarks about my being American a long time ago...

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Ok, so let me make sure I've got this straight, then. You've got no problems whatsoever with a former KGB agent bulldozing his way to power, choosing his successor in a supposedly democratic election, stifling dissent and the free press, committing election fraud, passing laws to make it more difficult for opposition parties to establish themselves in the parliament, arresting opposition opponents, appointing himself prime minister, or using trumped up charges to arrest the owners of one of the few remaining competitors to Gasprom and therefore making it easier to nationalize the largest industry in the country...

just so we're clear.


That's right. None of my business and no threat to me and something for Russians to deal with. Just to be absolutely clear, I believe Putin to be a tyrant and you have not reached the same conclusion by way of some brilliant logical clarity. The world is full of monsters running countries but the one to worry about is Bush.
I love the bit about nationalizing (re-nationalizing!!!?) state assets and having to arrest the gangsters who stole them!! Bizarre even by your standards.

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It must be nice to live in so black-and-white a world where you become the good guy simply by virtue of opposing a bad guy...

I'll take your word for it. Have you been on the same course as Gruts, majoring in self-righteous sanctimony?

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I think you missed the point. I didn't refer to you as an American (of which there are many on that continent) but a Yanqui which, in South America, denotes a particular type of obnoxious US American.

I have no problem with the rest of the Americas, just with those of the obnoxious Yanqui mentality. Outside of that there are a lot of really wonderful US Americans, including personal friends who find the Yanqui mentality just as distasteful.

I agree with Blackcat, your self-righteous attack on Putin is quite ridiculous given the enormous influence the CIA plays in all US administrations, not only when its ex-head honcho gets to be one.

Eg. see How the CIA Controls President Ford, http://tinyurl.com/2zupvl


"Snaggle-toothed"? You'll have to explain that. The phrase doesn't exist in UK English. And what is a noobie? Is this an attempt to pull rank? Because if it is, as you will see, on this Forum it's you who's the noobie! Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you missed the point. I didn't refer to you as an American (of which there are many on that continent) but a Yanqui which, in South America, denotes a particular type of obnoxious US American.


Not hardly; I got what you meant. Oddly enough, you seem to be arguing semantics with yourself here.

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I have no problem with the rest of the Americas, just with those of the obnoxious Yanqui mentality.


Meaning, like many on here, anyone who disagrees with you, yes?


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I agree with Blackcat, your self-righteous attack on Putin is quite ridiculous given the enormous influence the CIA plays in all US administrations, not only when its ex-head honcho gets to be one.


Apples and Oranges. This thread was about Putin, therefore, I criticized Putin. Were it about the CIA, or the US Government, then I would criticize those, depending on the topic.

It's patently ridiculous to suggest that I shouldn't criticize one government just because my own is highly faulty; nor, like you, am I going to ascribe good intentions to someone based on nothing more than their opposition to the big, bad USA. Once again, it must be fantastic to live in such a black-and-white world. There's nothing self-righteous about an examination of the facts, or a refusal to deify a man for entirely stupid and obviously ill-informed reasons.

Tell me: Had Bush, instead of every other monstrous thing he is, been an ex-CIA member who even more obviously shoved his way into office with clearly falsified elections, had members of the opposition party and the press arrested, further consolidated industry under a federal umbrella, murdered tons of Mexicans, and appointed himself Vice President at the end of his term, would you not criticize that? Oh, wait, you would, because he's the US President.



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And what is a noobie? Is this an attempt to pull rank? Because if it is, as you will see, on this Forum it's you who's the noobie! Smile


Why ask, and then indicate that you know what it is?

I pay little attention to the part of the sidebar that denotes post counts / join dates, and in the nine months that I've been here (and the 3 or so before that when I was lurking), I'd never seen you post until recently.

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Meaning, like many on here, anyone who disagrees with you, yes?


No. I mean obnoxious, self-righteous Yanquis who think they own the world. That type, fortunately not all US Americans.

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Tell me: Had Bush, instead of every other monstrous thing he is, been an ex-CIA member who even more obviously shoved his way into office with clearly falsified elections, had members of the opposition party and the press arrested, further consolidated industry under a federal umbrella, murdered tons of Mexicans, and appointed himself Vice President at the end of his term, would you not criticize that? Oh, wait, you would, because he's the US President.


As I mentioned already Bush Sr was an ex-CIA director. Runs in the family. You're just ignoring what I've observed about the CIA. Don't split hairs. If you slag off Putin for a KGB past you should expect to be reminded of the CIA connection in the Bush dynasty.

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I didn't know. I guessed correctly. Exercise more caution next time you try to pull rank.

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Well, they do say humor allows you to be more truthful...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Ukraine NATO succession plans spark conflict. Reply with quote

NATO's Ukraine succession plans spark conflict. Putin being surrounded by US client states? Is this wise?

By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow George W Bush has raised the stakes in a row with Vladimir Putin over plans by former Soviet states to join NATO.


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Visiting U.S. President George W. Bush, left, and Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko, right, review an honor guard during official welcome ceremony in Kyiv, 01 Apr 2008

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The only way to deal with gangsters like Bush & Co is to be tough. Putin knows it & he's doing it. This is the only language that the gangster mentality of Bushco understands.

Ever since the Russian Revolution the West has been hostile to Russia, encircling and threatening it. This policy of encirclement is still going on with the US plans to include countries like the Ukraine in the MAP programme before their joining NATO. This is the updated version of the old US 'Rollback Theory' of the 'fifties meant to push the Russians back into their own territory and thus bring them to their knees, turning them into a US client state, ie what the drunkard Yeltsin was allowing to happen before Putin stopped it.

The Global Missile Shield is being put into place in eastern Europe to facilitate a First Strike all-out nuclear attack on Russia. And it was 911 that enabled all this to happen. Unbelievable that the SWP-dominated Anti-War movement in the UK refuses to see that! We all know why.

Few remember that the Cuban Missiles crisis in the '60s which is always presented in the West as having been caused by Russia siting missiles in Cuba (did they really?) whereas the rest of the story is conveniently never mentioned, ie that the placing of missiles was meant as Soviet retaliation for the missiles that the US had already placed in Turkey pointing at Russia.

The US always plays a dangerous game of taunting & provoking and then blaming the other side when it reacts by retaliation. This is one of the reasons that up until Sarkozy there was a long-term Franco-German understanding to decouple European military and foreign policy from the USA. Sarkozy is under strict orders from Bush to get pally with the US trojan in Europe, the UK, in order to stymie European independence.

I would hope that in the long term Europe will work more closely with Russia and China (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation security treaty) to 'quarantine' American aggression against the rest of the world.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only way to deal with gangsters like Bush & Co is to be tough. Putin knows it & he's doing it. This is the only language that the gangster mentality of Bushco understands.

Ever since the Russian Revolution the West has been hostile to Russia, encircling and threatening it. This policy of encirclement is still going on with the US plans to include countries like the Ukraine in the MAP programme before their joining NATO. This is the updated version of the old US 'Rollback Theory' of the 'fifties meant to push the Russians back into their own territory and thus bring them to their knees, turning them into a US client state, ie what the drunkard Yeltsin was allowing to happen before Putin stopped it.


Yeah, the ex-KGB dictator, what a hero... Rolling Eyes

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The Global Missile Shield is being put into place in eastern Europe to facilitate a First Strike all-out nuclear attack on Russia. And it was 911 that enabled all this to happen. Unbelievable that the SWP-dominated Anti-War movement in the UK refuses to see that! We all know why.


Oh please! Do you have any proof that these are meant to be first-strike facilities, outside of rampant speculation? I'm guessing no.

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Few remember that the Cuban Missiles crisis in the '60s which is always presented in the West as having been caused by Russia siting missiles in Cuba (did they really?) whereas the rest of the story is conveniently never mentioned, ie that the placing of missiles was meant as Soviet retaliation for the missiles that the US had already placed in Turkey pointing at Russia.


History 101... I think you're exaggerating the number of people who don't remember this.


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I would hope that in the long term Europe will work more closely with Russia and China (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation security treaty) to 'quarantine' American aggression against the rest of the world.


Oddly enough, I agree with you here, if not with the implied 'black vs. white' nature of things. However, if eight years of Bush have proved anything, it's that American aggression is not dependent on the whims of anyone else. It'd be fantastic, however, if all three of the mentioned players (besides Europe) could just be locked in a never-ending game of a**hole tete-a-tete-a-tete.

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NUCLEAR WAR GETTING CLOSER!

Russian intelligence sees US military buildup on Iran border
RIA Novosti Thursday, 27 March 2008

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MOSCOW — Russian military intelligence services are reporting
a flurry of activity by US Armed Forces near Iran's borders,
a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.

"The latest military intelligence data point to heightened US military
preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran,"
the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet
made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched.

He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against
Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its
knees at minimal cost."

He also said the US Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the
first time in the past four years reached the level that existed
shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of
Geopolitical Sciences, said last week that the Pentagon is planning
to deliver a massive air strike on Iran's military infrastructure in the
near future.

A new US carrier battle group has been dispatched to the Gulf.

The USS John C. Stennis, with a crew of 3,200 and around 80
fixed-wing aircraft, including F/A-18 Hornet and Superhornet
fighter-bombers, eight support ships and four nuclear submarines
are heading for the Gulf, where a similar group led by the USS
Dwight D. Eisenhower has been deployed since December 2006.

The US is also sending Patriot anti-missile systems to the region.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070327/62697703.html


Saudis Prepare for "Sudden Nuclear Hazards" After Cheney Visit
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Last Friday, Dick Cheney was in Saudi Arabia for high-level meetings with the Saudi king and his ministers. On Saturday, it was revealed that the Saudi Shura Council -- the elite group that implements the decisions of the autocratic inner circle -- is preparing "national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom following experts' warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors," one of the kingdom's leading newspapers, Okaz, reports. The German-based dpa news service relayed the paper's story.
Chris Floyd 23 March 2008 www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1463/135/

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* The strategic rational for preëmptive military action was set forth in the 2005 National Defense Strategy of the United States of America. It proclaimed that “America is a nation at war…[and] will defeat adversaries at the time, place, and in the manner of our choosing…[rather than employing] A reactive or defensive approach…Therefore, we must confront challenges earlier and more comprehensively, before they are allowed to mature…In all cases, we will seek to seize the initiative and dictate the tempo, timing, and direction of military operations.” In short, as Henry Kissinger pointed out in The International Herald Tribune, April 14, 2006, it is an assertion of the intention to engage in preëmptive or “first strike” warfare. So, the process that began in Afghanistan and was then carried to Iraq and (on a smaller scale) to Somalia points toward action against Iran.
March 20, 2008 William R. Polk www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/11/6-signs-the-us-may-be-headed -for-a-war-in-iran.html

Iran’s defense spending per capita among lowest in Mideast
IRNA Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - Iran has only a very low miltary expenditure compared with Israel:
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LONDON — Iran’s defense expenditure per capita remains among
the lowest in the Middle East region despite having the second
highest population behind Egypt, according to the new publication
of Military Balance.

The 2008 edition said that Iran’s total defense spending for 2006,
the latest available, was nearly 55 percent less that Israel’s,
despite having ten times the population of the Zionist entity.

Per capita, Israeli regime’s expenditure was calculated to be nearly
17 times higher at an average of $1,737 per person compared with
only $110 for each Iranian.

Israeli and US military spending highest in the world

Israel’s military spending was shown to be the second highest in
the world and only $59 per capita behind the US, excluding Qatar,
which only has a population of less than one million.

Even as a proportion of GDP, Iran’s defense expenditure of 3.3
percent was found to be well less than half of Israel’s 7.9 percent,
which is among the highest in the world and even more than the US.
www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=163138
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Oh please! Do you have any proof that these are meant to be first-strike facilities, outside of rampant speculation? I'm guessing no.


If you're asking for solid proof that the USA has First Strike against Russia in mind then you have to study current US doctrinal declarations as well as to consider the move to place a Global Missile Shield (GMS) in eastern Europe from a strategic point-of-view.

The purpose of the GMS is as follows: as things stand at present no GMS could possibly knock out every missile that is fired against it. It hopes to eliminate the greater part but it is accepted that some would still get through. So it cannot be used effectively as a defence.

But it can be used offensively.
The strategy is to make a massive first (pre-emptive) strike against the enemy. When the enemy retaliates with what missile its got left the GMS is expected to deal with that limited number and to keep America safe from attack.


Poles Protest against US Plans for GMS

In any case, US strategic doctrine for using nuclear missiles is now officially that of first strike. I don't have the references to hand but could dig around and soon find them. A search on the Global Research website should produce these.

As a result of the current US policy of first strike Russia has retaliated tit-for-tat by also placing its system on first strike! This is a crazy and very dangerous situation inviting paranoia of the other's intentions and the unleashing of a first strike by one or the other side mistakenly!

The USA and Russia are like two cowboys playing a game of poker while holding pistols under the table. At any moment one or the other will inevitably lose the game and just before that moment whip out his six-shooter and fire at the other!

The adoption of First Strike strategy, even by one side, is fatal.

The US strategy of using the GMS in a first strike is discussed by a German ex-Luftwaffe officer in the movie, 911 False Flag which I would highly recommend:

"And Putin knows that this Global Missile Defence is, of course, directed against Russia ... whom else should it be directed against? The objective is the following: [the GMD] can never cover the entire area, It can only intercept a limited number of enemy missiles. And this limited number of enemy missiles is the number which is left over after a destructive pre-emptive strike by America, a certain [retaliatory] second-strike capacity of the enemy is still intact.

To intercept the remainder which can still be discharged, that is the objective of the GMD. That means it is supposed to give the Americans the ability to launch a pre-emptive [first strike] attack without consequences and to remain thereby invulnerable."


See http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=113624#113624

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McMadness, while I am fascinated at the thought of the existence of a 21st Century Illuminati I have never yet come across any evidence which points to such in this day and age. Do you have any evidence? If you do I would like to see it.

Similarly any evidence that it was a modern Illuminati that was behind both the Russian Revolution and the NWO. And when I say evidence, clearly I don't mean just some web article making unproven allegations. Anyone could do that.

I'm asking for solid proof. Rolling Eyes

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uesday, April 8, 2008. Issue 3878. Page 02.
Putin Hints At Splitting Up Ukraine
The Moscow Times

President Vladimir Putin hinted at last week's NATO summit in Romania that Russia would work to break up Ukraine, should the former Soviet republic join the military alliance, Kommersant reported Monday.

Putin "lost his temper" at the NATO-Russia Council in Bucharest during Friday's discussions of Ukraine's bid to join NATO, Kommersant cited an unidentified foreign delegate to the summit as saying.

"Do you understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state!" Putin told U.S. President George W. Bush at the closed meeting, the diplomat told Kommersant.

After saying most of Ukraine's territory was "given away" by Russia, Putin said that if Ukraine joined NATO it would cease to exist as a state, the diplomat said.

Putin threatened to encourage the secession of the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea and eastern Ukraine, where anti-NATO and pro-Moscow sentiment is strong, the diplomat said, Kommersant reported.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, who accompanied Putin at the summit, said Monday he did not hear Putin's purported remarks about Ukraine and could not confirm the report.

Putin also offered broader economic cooperation with Georgia's separatist republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as Tbilisi sought NATO approval for eventual membership in the alliance.

In a letter sent to the leaders of the breakaway provinces Thursday -- when NATO members were deciding whether to grant Membership Action Plans to Ukraine and Georgia -- Putin said Russia would move beyond symbolic declarations and offer real economic support to Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Just days before the summit, Moscow officially lifted long-standing embargoes on trade, transportation and financial transactions with Abkhazia.

France, Germany and several other NATO members opposed putting Ukraine and Georgia on the path toward NATO to avoid provoking Russia, and the alliance postponed consideration of their eventual membership.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Ukraine NATO succession plans spark conflict. Reply with quote

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NATO's Ukraine succession plans spark conflict. Putin being surrounded by US client states? Is this wise?

By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow George W Bush has raised the stakes in a row with Vladimir Putin over plans by former Soviet states to join NATO.


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Visiting U.S. President George W. Bush, left, and Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko, right, review an honor guard during official welcome ceremony in Kyiv, 01 Apr 2008


Also I see the Ukrainian getting the next Bond role as total propaganda:- Look join the West and you too could live the American Dream Mad

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McMadness, while I am fascinated at the thought of the existence of a 21st Century Illuminati I have never yet come across any evidence which points to such in this day and age. Do you have any evidence? If you do I would like to see it.

Similarly any evidence that it was a modern Illuminati that was behind both the Russian Revolution and the NWO. And when I say evidence, clearly I don't mean just some web article making unproven allegations. Anyone could do that.

I'm asking for solid proof.



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That should keep you busy full time, for about 3 years.
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...looks like the golf will be off the menu in future!



...maybe thats why G.W. really gave up golf!?

...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1953376/ President-George-W-Bush-quits-golf-in-honour-of-Iraq-dead.html

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Hey Listen (as I hoped) the 'illuminati' and/or the 'elite' and their stooges are falling out amongst themselves - should we do the same?

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Ok, so let me make sure I've got this straight, then. You've got no problems whatsoever with a former KGB agent bulldozing his way to power


Oh, what drivel! Sounds like it comes from another self-righteous Yanqui. Pot calling the kettle black. What about Bush Sr who was head of the CIA before being promoted to President? And his gangster son & his clique of murderers who stole two elections from the US people and is preparing to do so again?

Utter bilge! Where do these cretins come from?

If you didn't already know, TmcMistress (and what kind of fetish is a Tmc Mistress?! ROFL) Europeans, like most of the rest of the world is terrified that your gangster President-by-selection will do something crazy before his term is over. And so do a lot of North Americans apart from the 30% or less that stubbornly (stupidly) insist on supporting a crook, liar and serial killer war criminal.

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Putin nationalising... and becoming a popular figure in the world. Mabe our Labour government should try the same?

.........On Friday, one of the vessels is to be the first Russian warship since World War II to sail through the Panama Canal—long a symbol of U.S. regional clout.
As the Kremlin signals hope for improved U.S. ties under the administration of President-elect Barack Obama, the remarks may have been aimed at assuring Washington that Russia's recent flurry of activity in Latin America is not part of a Cold War-style power struggle with the United States.
At the same time, Putin suggested Russia's military and political ties are growing, regionally and globally.
"We have quite a lot of opportunities, and not only with the countries that you mentioned, but also at the ports of other states," he said.
"I want to tell you a 'terrible military secret,'" Putin said. "When we announced that our military ships would go to Venezuela for joint exercises, we received very many inquiries—frankly speaking, I didn't expect this—from many countries with requests that our ships visit their ports."



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Russian Premier Vladimir Putin says the state might take stakes in major companies to help them cope with the global economic crisis.
Moscow has pledged to provide the country's major firms with more than $200 billion in bailout to prevent damage to the booming economy.
In a televised question and answer session with citizens, Putin also said the government is considering various plan to counter the crisis, Reuters reported.
"Other instruments, for example, include the direct entrance of the state into the capital of big companies, where it will be advantageous for the state, and that means also for the taxpayer, and also in those enterprises that are fundamental for the economy of the whole Russia Federation," he said.
"We do not exclude that these instruments could be used in a rather large-scale way," the Prime Minister added.
Some analysts see the measure as a step by the Kremlin to highlight the state's role in the country's economy.
Russia's GDP grew to $1.3 trillion in 2007.

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taken with a pinch of salt but conflict likely, the Q is really who or when!
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/06-01-2009/106900-georgiab igplan-0
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South Ossetia Press Ministry warns that Georgia and foreign advisors are planning a large-scale operation in South Ossetia

The South Ossetian Press and Social Communication Ministry declared on Monday that a major offensive is being planned by Georgian and foreign forces to strike at Russian servicemen in South Ossetia and this Republic´s security, defence and law enforcement authorities.






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According to declarations quoted in The Georgia Times, "The provocation is planned by Western advisors, Georgian special services representatives and implies active participation of Dmitri Sanakoyev (the head of the "alternative government" of South Ossetia) and his supporters, as well as subversive and reconnaissance special mission units of Georgian Interior Ministry and Defense Ministry in it".

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Expansion of Russian Navy - January 16, 2009, 20:05
From port to port: Kremlin's naval bases abroad
The Navy Headquarters announced on Friday the list of countries where Russia will have naval bases in several years time.
However, the Deputy Chief of Russia's Armed Forces Staff, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, considers that it’s too early to name concrete locations.

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/36015

“The political decision on this matter has been made. Bases will settle down on Sokorta Island (Yemen), in Tartus (Syria) and Tripoli (Libya). Now it’s very difficult to say when these bases will appear in these countries, but in several years time it undoubtedly will happen. From both the economic and the technical military point of view, there is no other way to solve the problem of our Navy’s regular presence in distant sea areas for the protection of Russia’s national interests”, the representative of the Russian Navy Headquarters told ITAR-TASS.

The General Armed Forces Staff completely supported the Navy Headquarters’ offer about the necessity to develop the fleet infrastructure outside the Russian maritime belt.

However, Nogovitsyn in his interview to RIA Novosti declared that “it’s not yet time to speak about the geography of the future bases. Corresponding negotiations with foreign governments are underway”.

The General Staff has already announced their position on this matter:

“We support the position of the Navy Headquarters completely. This problem should be solved, and she will solve it together with the government”, Nogovitsyn said.

Naval bases demand huge investments and onerous infrastructure in terms of costs, size and time. Nogovitsyn said this question is out of the Navy’s competence and was therefore correctly put before the General Armed Forces Staff.

The high costs of warship bases abroad caused the withdrawal of Russian ships from the Vietnamese port Cam Ranh at the beginning of 2000.

After visits of the Russian warships to Venezuela and Cuba there were reports about the possible creation of Russian naval bases in these countries. However, the Russian authorities have denied this, having pointed out that the Venezuelan and Cuban military infrastructure can be used if necessary.

Currently, negotiations about the creation of naval bases for Russian ships in Abkhazia are in progress.

Russia is also discussing the possibility of setting up a repair base for its ships in the Syrian port of Tartus. Currently, a floating Black Sea Fleet repair station is located there.......................

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Kyrgyzstan to shut down NATO's air base
Kyrgyzstan has decided to shut down the Manas Air Base used by NATO to supply its troops in Afghanistan. The Shanghai Cooperation Organization has been insisting on its closure since 2005.
Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev explained the decision was made due to economic considerations and the negative public attitude.
"When there were hostilities in progress in Afghanistan with the use of combat aircraft, Kyrgyzstan made its territory available for fighting international terrorism. But at that time, it was one or two years that were being talked about. Eight years have passed. We have repeatedly raised with the United States the matter of economic compensation for the existence of the base in Kyrgyzstan, but we have not been understood,” he said.
Still, Russia and Kyrgyzstan will continue cooperating with the United States on Afghanistan after the closure of the U.S. airbase in the ex-Soviet Central Asian state, the Russian president said on Tuesday.
"We could join our efforts to promote stability in the region, our countries will help the operations underway in the region. We are ready for coordinated action," said Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, adding that the decision to close the Manas base was up to Kyrgyzstan.
Manas airport in Bishkek has been home to a thousand-strong American airbase since 2001, the year Kyrgyzstan joined the anti-terror coalition set up after 9/11. The US base used to be the main hub for moving men, equipment and supplies to US and allied forces operating in nearby Afghanistan because of its 90-minute flying time to the war, instead of seven hours from other launching areas.

US march towards Asia
U.S. bases in Asia Shahbaz (Jacobabad) Air Base (AB), Pakistan
    Khanabad (K2) Air Base, Uzbekistan
    Kandahar Air Base, Afghanistan
    Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar
    Masirah Air Base, Oman
    Al Dhafra Air Base, UAE

The September 11 attacks made Central Asia a region of high importance for the US Department of Defense. The United States found the Manas base to be useful for Afghan operations. It was named after Chief Peter Ganci Jr. of the New York City Fire Department, who died in the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center carried out by al-Qaeda.
The annual rent paid to the Kyrgyz government was $150 million.
In September 2003 three Kyrgyz citizens were convicted for an attempt to organise an attack on the base. On July 8, 2004 the attempt was repeated by militants believed to belong to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.
2005's Tulip Revolution followed, and President Askar Akayev's exile from the country made US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld visit Bishkek to support the continued US presence at Manas. But the new Bakiyev administration demanded an increase in the rent for the Pentagon's use of Manas. Due to the December 4, 2001 agreement the price was a little over $2 million a year, and the new amount was increased to $100-200 million annually. The sum was clearly drawn out of a hat and after prolonged 12-month negotiations the price was agreed at $17.5 million per year.

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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev signed a joint statement October 11 in Bishkek expressing support for the presence of coalition forces in the Kyrgyz Republic "until the mission of fighting terrorism in Afghanistan is completed."
The Kyrgyz Republic "recognises the important contribution of the international anti-terrorist Coalition, located at the Ganci Airbase, in strengthening regional stability.
Kyrgyzstan - U.S. relations chilled after incidents between locals and military personnel. In one, a Kyrgyz citizen was shot dead by a US soldier - who escaped prosecution due to immunity enjoyed by US military at the base. Some think that if more soldiers arrive, there'll be more trouble.
“I think President Bakiyev is concerned that if a conflict starts in Iran, then this base will be used for transporting military personnel, and this may cause social disturbances,” says Leonid Gusev, political expert.
Around half the Kyrgyz population lives below the poverty line. Political protests flare up sometimes, making the country one of the most politically volatile in Central Asia.
Water is the major domestic source of energy for Kyrgyzstan. But the nation doesn't have enough hydro-electric facilities, and the country has to pay market prices for oil and gas from neighbouring Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.
Kazakhstan, along with China and other members of the Shanghai Co-operation Organization was urging Bishkek to kick the Americans out. Analysts say Russia's view, however, was driven by differing considerations.
“On the one hand Russia is interested in continuing the operation in Afghanistan, which threatens security in the south. But on the other hand, having the US in Central Asia irritates Moscow, which encourages its Central Asian colleagues to curb this presence,” Arkady Dubnov, an international correspondent, says.
For the withdrawal of the US forces from the base Kyrgyzstan expects to have its debts (about $180 million) written off by Russia in return. Manas turned out to be a burden for Askar Akayev, the toppled Kyrgyz President. Current President Kurmanbek Bakiyev promised Shanghai Cooperation Organisation members to close the air base; and has now fulfilled his promise.
In 2006 Kyrgyzstan pretended to play hardball with its American guests, demanding they pay $50 million more or quit. The Americans did neither.
With the U.S. vowing to increase the war effort in Afghanistan, this step of Kyrgyzstan makes the task harder for the coalition forces.
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Does this mean some War Planners could be throwing their Teddy around?
I wonder if Iran is truly be eyed for a supply route?

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The members of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation - Russia and six neighbouring states – have agreed to set up a collective rapid reaction force to combat terrorism, military aggression, and drug trafficking.
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Russia helps create NATO rival force
Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:38:26 GMT
NATO is a military alliance of member states that agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. The combined military spending of all NATO members amounts to nearly 70% of the world's defense spending.
Russia and six ex-Soviet states will jointly set up a special force which can reportedly rival the NATO in terms of military power.
On Wednesday, an accord was signed between the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) members -- Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan -- to establish a rapid reaction unit.
The special forces of all signatories will be at the disposal of the new unit which is meant to suppress military, terrorist and extremist aggression.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said the initiative would allow "operational reaction to threats", adding that the new unit would not be less powerful than NATO forces, AFP reported.
The rapid reaction force "is aimed at strengthening the military capacity of our organization," said Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian whose country currently chairs the CSTO.
Analysts believe the body was initially formed to counter the increasing influence of the western alliance and its possible expansion toward Russian borders.
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U.S. Searches for Alternative to Central Asian Base
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By ELISABETH BUMILLER and ELLEN BARRY
Published: February 4, 2009
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration scrambled Wednesday to come up with an alternative to a crucial United States air base in Central Asia, used to supply the growing military operation in Afghanistan, after the president of Kyrgyzstan ordered the American base in his country closed.

Defense and State Department officials said they had concluded that Russia had pressed Kyrgyzstan, a former Soviet republic, to expel the Americans. Russia has promised not to impede the American-led fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan, but has also sought to push United States forces out of bases it began leasing in Central Asia in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The Kyrgyz Parliament planned to vote Friday on a measure that would close the base at Manas, a major air hub for troops and cargo. Loss of the base would present a significant problem for the Obama administration as it deploys as many as 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan over the next two years. Taliban attacks have made another prime supply route to Afghanistan — an overland pass through Pakistan — highly unreliable.

A senior State Department official said that negotiations with Kyrgyzstan over the base had been halted and that the alternatives under consideration included bases in Europe and the Persian Gulf, as well as a possible expansion of existing bases in Afghanistan.

The United States has leased the Central Asian base since after the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, but American officials said they believed that Russia was using an offer of more than $2 billion in loans and grants to Kyrgyzstan to force the United States out of the region, colloquially referred to as “the Stans.”

“The motivation is to have a strong bilateral relationship with the Stans that prevents the Stans from hosting U.S. or NATO facilities on their soils,” a Defense Department official said.

About 15,000 personnel and 500 tons of cargo pass through Manas each month. The base is also the home of large tanker aircraft that are used for in-air refueling of fighter planes on combat missions over Afghanistan.

The American officials, who insisted on anonymity because of the delicacy of the negotiations, said that it was possible that the United States would resume talks with Kyrgyzstan but that for the next weeks the United States would be investigating whether some of the functions of the base could be relocated, perhaps to more than one place.

The State Department official said it was still possible that the United States might offer Kyrgyzstan more compensation for the base after the other alternatives and their costs had been explored. “Once we evaluate what this is really worth to us, we’ll talk to them about money,” he said. The United States calculates that it pays Kyrgyzstan more than $150 million in assistance and compensation each year. But the State Department official said that only a portion of that money went directly to the Kyrgyz government. “Frankly, we haven’t been excessively generous,” the official said.

The State Department official said that “fundamentally it comes to money, and the Russians are trying to buy us out.”

A statement by the Kyrgyz government on Wednesday argued that the American mission in Afghanistan had outlasted its original goals, the terrorist threat there had “been removed,” and that NATO airstrikes in Afghanistan had caused unacceptable civilian casualties.

The Kyrgyz president, Kurmanbek Bakiyev, announced the decision on Tuesday in Moscow, where his impoverished country won $150 million in aid and the forgiveness of $180 million in debt in addition to the $2 billion in loans. Russian officials claimed that the announcement of the base closure was purely coincidental, but Russia has long resented the United States presence in Central Asia.

If the measure passes the Kyrgyz Parliament on Friday, as expected, Washington would have 180 days to close the base. The senior Defense official said the closure “has all the earmarks of being a done deal.”

Russian officials took pains on Wednesday to reassure President Obama that they hoped to cooperate with him in Afghanistan and elsewhere. But the conciliatory words sounded peculiar beside the blunt fact of the base closure, which seemed to communicate that American plans in the region should be coordinated with Moscow.

“The calculation behind the Russian move is that the Americans have not so many alternatives,” said Fyodor A. Lukyanov, the editor of Russia in Global Politics. “If you need something there, you should go not to Bishkek but to Moscow.”

Russian leaders also hope to secure concessions from Mr. Obama on a variety of issues, among them planned missile defense facilities in the Czech Republic and Poland, revamped security structures in Europe, and a renegotiation of the Start I arms treaty.

President Dmitri A. Medvedev said Wednesday that Russia and its allies were ready for full-fledged, comprehensive cooperation with the United States and other coalition members in fighting terrorism in the region. But he also laid out his own view of the best approach in Afghanistan, with veiled criticism of the United States.

“Democracy cannot be forced — it must grow from within,” he said. “It’s not the number of bases that matters. It would be good if that would reduce the number of terrorists, but the fight against terrorism is not limited to building up military forces.”

But by stressing that they are ready to search for alternatives in Europe, the Persian Gulf and Afghanistan itself, the Americans also appeared eager to signal that they would not allow Russia to dictate the terms of its engagement in Afghanistan or the region.

This is not the first time that United States officials have tangled with Kyrgyzstan over the base at Manas. During negotiations this summer, the State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the United States would pay more than $150 million in assistance and compensation for the base this year. At the time, a government statement said the United States had contributed more than $850 million to support democracy, economic development, aid projects and security in the Kyrgyz Republic since its independence from the Soviet Union.

At a news conference in Moscow on Tuesday, Mr. Bakiyev complained about a 2006 incident in which a United States serviceman had shot a Kyrgyz truck driver on the base, and said Washington had also ignored his requests for more money.

“Eight years have passed,” he said. “We have repeatedly raised with the United States the matter of economic compensation for the existence of the base in Kyrgyzstan, but we have not been understood.”

Kyrgyzstan’s close relations with the United States have long unsettled Russia and China, which both have military interests in the region.

In 2005, the country appeared to move further into Washington’s orbit after a popular uprising, supported in part by the United States, toppled the corrupt and increasingly authoritarian government of Askar A. Akayev, sending the president fleeing across the border. The bloodless coup was part of a wave of popular revolts, known as color revolutions, that remain a source of anger and suspicion among Russian officials, who consider them Washington-hatched schemes meant to undermine Russia’s influence in the region.

Elisabeth Bumiller reported from Washington, and Ellen Barry from Moscow. Alan Cowell contributed reporting from London.

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US Continues Military Encirclement Of Russia, Recent Words Aside

by Rick Rozoff
Global Research, March 9, 2009 - Stop NATO - 2009-03-08

American Vice-President Joseph Biden at the Munich Security Conference in early February pledged to "press the reset button" with Russia.



Since then prominent Washington officials have repeated their intention to reset, reboot and so forth relations with Russia but have, starting with Biden at Munich, not relented in any substantive manner on any of the behaviors and projects that have antagonized Moscow.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently and American President Obama is to meet with his Russian counterpart Dmitri Medvedev n London early next month.

Russia has permitted the US and its NATO allies transit rights for non-military goods to assist the West's expanding war in South Asia, though in the process is abetting the extension of the NATO military nexus from the Baltic to the Black to the Caspian Seas and hence tightening the noose around its own neck.

How are the US and NATO demonstrating their supposed resolve to mend ties with Russia, not in words but in deeds?

Starting at Russia's northwestern most border and proceeding counter-clockwise, in the following manner:

In nine days NATO will commence a ten-day military exercise, Cold Response 2009, consisting of 7,000 troops from thirteen nations in northern Norway, off the coast of the Norwegian Sea, adjoining the Barents Sea and the Russian coast.

It will be a full spectrum exercise with land, naval and air forces simulating an 'emergency' military intervention.

The Barents Observer reports:

"This year, about 700 of the participants are special forces. The [imaginary] conflict increased in 2008 when Northland attacked and occupied Midland. After a cease-fire Northland withdraws its forces and a power vacuum which NATO has to fill, occurred."

Moving slightly southwest, NATO has just completed the four-day Baltic Host 2009 exercise in Estonia, which Russia's Novosti described as involving "a series of scenarios simulating the arrival and deployment of NATO troops in a member country."

Participating in the war games were forces from the United States, Britain, Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in "the first exercise of this type in the Baltic region, which could become a regular event in the future to improve interoperability between NATO troops."

Continuing southward, nine days ago Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and insisted that American Patriot missiles would be deployed in his country.

The new US Patriot PAC-3 missile covers seven times the area of the original model and has double the range, enabling such missiles in Poland to hit Russian territory in the Kaliningrad region.

Two weeks ago US Defense Secretary Robert Gates signed a pact with his Polish opposite number Defense Minister Bogdan Klich "to bolster Poland's special forces and enhance how it operates within the NATO military command structure" as the US armed forces newspaper Stars and Stripes reported...............
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12600

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Russia to upgrade army in response to NATO expansion
17 March, 2009, 17:37

President Medvedev has announced a programme of rearmament for Russia's military, starting in 2011. He says NATO expansion is one of the reasons which make the step necessary.

Speaking at a Defense Ministry meeting on Tuesday, Dmitry Medvedev said, “The analysis of the current political-military situation in the world shows that there still remain threats coming from local conflicts as well as from international terrorism.

“Attempts to expand the North Atlantic alliance close to the borders of our country have not been stopped. This is the reason why we should upgrade our military forces and make them more advanced,” he said.

The President added that despite the current financial problems, “we have all the necessary capabilities”.

The number of military practice manoeuvres carried out each year will also be increased.

"Many types of exercises have been held for the first time over a certain long period, or even in the entire history of the Armed Forces," Medvedev said. He added that the number of those exercises is still insufficient.

”Only exercises similar to real combat operations can enhance the skill and combat readiness of military units. This is something we should never hesitate to spend money on," said the President.

http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-03-17/Russia_to_upgrade_army_ in_response_to_NATO_expansion.html

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