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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Deborah Simon and Loose change...ulterior motive? Reply with quote

www.EricHufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html

A third edition of Loose Change is being prepared for release in movie theaters nationwide this fall, according to the video's producers.

Deborah S. Simon received special thanks in the video's credits for providing footage and other help in producing Loose Change. Simon told AFP that she even handed out copies of the video in front of the White House. Who is Deborah Simon, and why is she helping produce and promote Loose Change?

Deborah Simon (nee Cox) is married into the billionaire Simon family of Indianapolis. The family owns the Simon Property Group, Inc., which boasts as being the largest U.S. real estate company. The Simon family owns, develops, and manages more than 280 shopping malls in the United States and 50 similar properties in Europe and Japan.

The Simon family, strong supporters of Zionist causes, the Clintons, and the Democratic Party, also own the Indiana Pacers basketball team. The campus of the Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis is named after Max and Mae Simon, the parents of Melvin, Fred, and Herb.

Melvin Simon, the Brooklyn-born founder of the company, also owned a Hollywood production company and produced more than 20 films. Simon is remembered for such films as Porky's, Love at First Bite, and Zorro, the Gay Blade.

As of January 2005, Porky's is still the highest-grossing movie from Canada.

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More notably, Simon has had business partnerships with both Larry Silverstein and the Australian-Israeli billionaire Frank Lowy, the leaseholders of the destroyed World Trade Center. In the late 1980s, Silverstein and Simon developed a mall in Manhattan together, and after 9-11, Simon teamed up with Lowy's Westfield America in an attempt to take over the prestigious retail properties belonging to Taubman Centers, Inc. of Detroit.

Silverstein and Simon both sit on the advisory board of the Steven L. Newman Real Estate Institute of Baruch College in downtown Manhattan.

In addition to supporting the Clintons, the Simon family has provided generous financial support to a number of Indiana senators, governors, and congressmen. Lee H. Hamilton, for example, the retired congressman who came out of retirement to serve as vice chairman of the 9-11 Commission, received a great deal of money from the Simons during his political career.

During his 34-year career in Congress, Hamilton served as chairman of several key committees, such as the Committee on International Relations, the Joint Economic Committee, the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Select Committee to Investigate Covert Arms Transactions with Iran. Although he has retired from Congress, Hamilton remains a member of the Department of Homeland Security Advisory Council and the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

As director of the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, Hamilton still receives generous financial support from the Simon family.

Birch Bayh, the former senator from Indiana, has been on the board of directors of the Simon Property Group since 1993 when his son, Evan, was governor of the state. The younger Bayh is now a U.S. Senator.

Diane Meyer Simon was director and administrator of the elder Bayh's senate office with whom she worked from 1968 to 1981. When Bayh was defeated in 1980, Diane Meyer married the billionaire Herbert Simon in 1981.

Christopher Bollyn is a journalist who writes for American Free Press of Washington, D.C.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info MFP

I have yet to see the perfect, flawless 9/11 truth DVD. When Eric H and Chris B produce a film of comparable quality to Loose Change 2, I'm sure people will take note.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
Thanks for the info MFP

I have yet to see the perfect, flawless 9/11 truth DVD. When Eric H and Chris B produce a film of comparable quality to Loose Change 2, I'm sure people will take note.


Not knocking the excellent Loose Change film...although i just realised there is no mention of WTC building 7 in it...most obvious smoking gun.
Just making the point that the 9/11 truth movement must be very careful who they associate with...the masonic/zionist network are some of the most craftiest people on the planet who nearly always have a hidden agenda to suit their cause...they are the masters of subtle infiltration like a grub in an apple.Without doubt the pro Israel/Solomon nutters were involved in 9/11 along with the Bush factions so Loose change having links with the Simon dynasty is a little bit worrying...
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with sharing information. My concern with this approach is that it feeds upon itself and causes witch hunts and divisions into different camps and general fear and loathing. And what this movement needs more than anything is unity and a sense of confidence that the evidence, when taken altogether, speaks for itself.

With the growth of 9/11 truth DVDs and the advent of google video and similar in the last year, people can choose between what DVD presentations to recommend to people depending on what they feel will be most effective. They can cut and paste different bits to make their own compilations.
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Neal quote

"Nothing wrong with sharing information. My concern with this approach is that it feeds upon itself and causes witch hunts and divisions into different camps and general fear and loathing. And what this movement needs more than anything is unity and a sense of confidence that the evidence, when taken altogether, speaks for itself.

With the growth of 9/11 truth DVDs and the advent of google video and similar in the last year, people can choose between what DVD presentations to recommend to people depending on what they feel will be most effective. They can cut and paste different bits to make their own compilations. "


Do you think though that of all the smoking guns building 7 is the one that can easily be proven and points the finger at many in the secret service/CIA who must have been in on it...lets see the hollywood film makers counter that one
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not knocking the excellent Loose Change film...although i just realised there is no mention of WTC building 7 in it


I'll knock it then.

It was made with a political agenda. The kids that allegedly made it appear to have been spoon fed what to put in it. The whole reason it's been promoted is because it doesn't even mention Zionist involvement, or come from anyone that has exposed the Zionist threat. Like all the other so-called alternative media; it points at the patsy who didnt fly the planes, didn't plan 911, didn't mail out anthrax, didn't poison our water with fluoride, etc. For all we know the patsy is controlled. He may be no more guilty than we are for paying taxes.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Loose Change is good because a film that included every single aspect would last what - 4 or 5 hours, and who is going to watch that.

Look at how long the book Crossing the Rubicon is, and that does not touch on a huge number of issues.

Yes - the "perfect" 911 documentary has not been made, but that's OK - there is plenty of information that is getting out there.


I am planning on meeting my local MP, and am still practicing my 911 in 15 minutes approach.


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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simonralli wrote:
I think Loose Change is good because a film that included every single aspect would last what - 4 or 5 hours, and who is going to watch that.


Considering all the nonsense and mistakes they included, you'd think they could have mentioned the 5 dancing Israeli's or some Zionist involvement. Consider the fact that this video has been promoted by EVERYONE including FOX NEWS!

Check out this screen grab from a site I know to be "Ctrl'd":



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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They banned you for being a tool by the looks of it, as for Fox news 'promoting' LC, what transpired was the boys hijacked a Fox news TV crew who were at a Cindy Sheenan event, they were lucky to get someone open minded enough to report on them.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the article that produced that list of mistakes was full of *.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Eric Hufschmid & the Virus Mentality Reply with quote

I came across a large website I think belonging to Eric Hufschmid not so long ago - I only read a bit of it and didn't take it very seriously, had I done so I would have ended up so totally confused before long that I would have believed myself to be a "disinformation agent" trying to deceive myself!!

If anyone is a "disinformation agent" Eric Hufschmid is for making everything so confusing and complicated and as always with those who are members of the virus mentality, pointing fingers everywhere but at themselves! I prefer to accept some of the blame for what we are unearthing in so much as I keep thinking - how come I am here in the middle of all this and have only just begun to realise what is going on? I may now be able to tell Heaven from Hell - but why aren’t I happy and snug in Heaven??!! Might we ALL have played some part in this great "Conspiracy" at some point and now it's our job to get busy sorting it all out??!!!

Just look at this from Hufflepuff's website, it's truly ridiculous!!!

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99% of the 9-11 truth seekers are worthless

Take a look at all of the web sites on the Internet that expose 9-11, and ask yourself, how many of those web sites actually have intelligent, unique information?

There are only a few people doing actual research about 9-11. The vast majority of truth seekers are simply regurgitating research done by other people, and mixing in their silly opinions or disinformation.

Almost all the web sites, books, and videos about 9/11 can be thrown in the trash, and nobody will be harmed by it. In fact, the exact opposite will happen. Once they are discarded, we can clearly see who has something intelligent to say about the subject.

Why are so many people creating web sites, blogs, and videos? Are they really adding intelligent information to what already exists? Or are they doing this merely for their own self gratification? Or do they do this for fame or money?

Or could this situation be more sinister? Could some of them create worthless sites in order to bury the few good sites? Could they be deliberately mixing disinformation into their sites to confuse people?


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"Loose Change"?

Why would anybody want to investigate the three, wonderful young men (Korey Rowe, Dylan Avery, and Jason Bermas) who created Loose Change?

The reason is that the criminal network that staged the 9/11 attack may be promoting Loose Change in order to push aside more important people and videos.

From the criminal's point of view, there is a big advantage to promoting Loose Change rather than somebody like myself. The main advantage would be to create the illusion that they are exposing corruption.

Millions of people around the world are demanding that 9-11 be exposed. The media companies and the 9-11 truth groups are under pressure to expose it.

In order to create the illusion that they are trying to expose corruption, they are selecting the Loose Change video. This fools people into thinking they are trying to expose 9-11, when in reality they are hiding some of the most important information and people


True example of "virus mentality" thinking! This man probably doesn't even "trust" himself - in fact I doubt he knows the meaning of the word!

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mason-free party wrote:
Do you think though that of all the smoking guns building 7 is the one that can easily be proven and points the finger at many in the secret service/CIA who must have been in on it...lets see the hollywood film makers counter that one


If I were making a 9/11 DVD, the incredible WTC 7 collapse and Larry Silversteen would be v prominent
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: WTC 7 Reply with quote

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If I were making a 9/11 DVD, the incredible WTC 7 collapse and Larry Silversteen would be v prominent


And Silversteen has helped to make this issure very "prominent" at the moment with the reopening of the new WTC 7 building which has been shown on The News when, speaking for myself anyway, so many people have just started to "take in" that it went down in the first place!

It is rather like that little piece of film - it shows it "collapsing" then you see it back up again!

Yes, lets make the film!!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out the rules of disinformation and weigh them against these quotes:

Ally wrote:
They banned you for being a tool by the looks of it


I'm not karim. Rolling Eyes

orestes wrote:
And the article that produced that list of mistakes was full of *.


It might be, but you didn't demonstrate it.

Jane wrote:
If anyone is a "disinformation agent" Eric Hufschmid is for making everything so confusing and complicated and as always with those who are members of the virus mentality, pointing fingers everywhere but at themselves!


http://erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm

You just don't want people uncovering the truth about the setup alternative media do you?

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't demonstrate it. I started writing a response to the article but I couldn't be bothered. It would have read 'That's just abuse, not an argument', 'You missed the point there' etc etc. It wasn't worth the time. There are much better rebuttals of loose change. This is quite good but I think it is mostly relevant to the first edition.

http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR/2005_07_21_Michael_Green_Loose_Ch ange_analysis.htm
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madthumbs wrote:
Check out the rules of disinformation and weigh them against these quotes:

Ally wrote:
They banned you for being a tool by the looks of it


I'm not karim. Rolling Eyes

orestes wrote:
And the article that produced that list of mistakes was full of *.


It might be, but you didn't demonstrate it.

Jane wrote:
If anyone is a "disinformation agent" Eric Hufschmid is for making everything so confusing and complicated and as always with those who are members of the virus mentality, pointing fingers everywhere but at themselves!


http://erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm

You just don't want people uncovering the truth about the setup alternative media do you?



Me & Jane disinfo agents eh! Laughing


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