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How the CIA and Military Control the Music Industry

'When everything else in the world seems to be upside down, at least we can find our comfort in rock music, by listening to our old heroes, who truly know what the world is about and how to rebel against it.

At least this is what we are led to believe.'

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How the CIA and Military Control the Music Industry
by Wes Penre, Illuminati News, Dec 21, 2008

Categories: The Controllers of Art | Articles by Wes Penre




Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young


W

hen everything else in the world seems to be upside down, at least we can find our comfort in rock music, by listening to our old heroes, who truly know what the world is about and how to rebel against it.

At least this is what we are led to believe.

As I write this, it's been ten years since I published my first article on the Internet and at the same time established the "Illuminati News Website". Although it has been a challenge and I have had wonderful, and not so wonderful, responses over the years, there is one subject I have brought up that has caused more upsets and uproar than any other, and that is the exposure of the music industry, to which I have dedicated a whole section. It is a holy cow, indeed.

Of course, most people who are blues and rock'n'roll fans have heard about Robert Johnson and how he sold his soul to the Devil at the Crossroads in exchange for brilliant musical skills. Whether this is a myth or if it's true, I leave for you to decide, but strange things are happening behind the scenes in the Music Industry and unfortunately, the rock stars most of us have worshipped are not always what we thought they were. Although the Robert Johnson story could be a myth, he is not the only one claiming to have sold his soul to the Devil for fame and fortune. There are quite a few admitting to the same thing, where Bob Dylan is one of them as we shall see later in this article.


The Music Industry as a Propaganda Machine

First of all, before we start putting the pieces together, we need to dissolve the myth that the Music Industry has our best interests in mind. By now, more and more people become aware of that this world is to a major degree controlled by a secret cabal we call the Illuminati, a Shadow Government if you will, who wants to create a New World Order and a One World Government. They have already taken over a big part of world politics, business, education and religious movements. This fact is accepted by many, because the evidence is overwhelming, so why would this cabal, who wants total control and the ability to take over our minds and thinking processes, leave the film and music industries alone?

Bob Dylan
Bob Dylan

Put yourself in these people's shoes and you will understand what I'm talking about. If I were them, the music and film industries would be two of the first things I wanted to control. Why? Because here you have a golden opportunity to influence the masses and lead them in any direction you want. All you need to do is to create super heroes (Gods) that people can look up to and follow. Although Bob Dylan sings in "Subterranean Homesick Blues" in 1965,

"Don't follow leaders
Watch the Parking Meters"

he must have known pretty well that although they are true, these are just empty words. By writing those lines, his audience would be even more attached to him and he would really create followers. So it's a contradiction, and some would call it "reversed psychology".

Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath

We see a similar phenomenon when Black Sabbath is singing about how we should fear the Devil and cry to God for help. How come then they are not creating a Christian fellowship, but instead it has the opposite effect? It is because they are actually leading the audience into violence and darkness by tuning down the guitars to lower vibrations, turning up the volume to maximum and repeating hypnotic riffs over and over again. What stays in people's minds is not that we should turn to God, but that Black Sabbath is singing about the Devil and demon possession and it's cool. People start getting interested in mysticism and occultism of the darkest kind instead, as per the plan. It's mind control, my friends. But it's not just the audience that is mind controlled, so are many of the artists as well, which brings me to the real purpose of this article - to expose who is pulling the strings on the artists and ultimately - us!


Military and Intelligence Connection

It's public knowledge now, due to the "Freedom of Information Act", that MK ULTRA mind control is the real deal and that psychiatrists working for the CIA used sophisticated mind control techniques on people who had no wish to participate[0]. This destroyed the lives of the victims and many of them died as a result of the experiments. The government created Manchurian Candidates to use in the Cold War, but also as political assassins in general. However, we are told that these experiments stopped some time in the 1970s and are now just another dark chapter in American history. Victims and researchers are telling us different, though. These experiments have continued up to this day, but under other code names and are now even more sophisticated. The Illuminati scientists are very knowledgeable about how the human mind works and understand how to manipulate it.

These mind control techniques are what has been used in the music industry and are still used today in Grunge, Gangsta Rap, Hip Hop or any new genre. Same old techniques with new labels...

David McGowan, a brilliant researcher, is in the process of publishing a very detailed and lengthy series of articles called "Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation", and the first twelve parts are published here on the Illuminati News Website and the rest will be published as soon as David has finished them. It is an amazing body of research, where he effectively is pointing out the fact that more often than not, the top artists within the music and film industries, their managers and producers have military and/or military intelligence connections. Many are also involved in organized crime, drug dealing, murder, prostitution, child pornography, snuff movies and black magic. Here are a few examples of musicians from the hippie era, who have family ties to people within the U.S. Military:

Jim Morrison of "The Doors": His father was the U.S. Navy Admiral George Stephen Morrison[1]. Jim was more or less brought up on military bases and abused by his father.

Frank Zappa: Son of Francis Zappa, a mathematician and a chemist, working for the U.S. defense industry[2]. Frank himself, although one of those who was in the frontline of creating the Hippie Movement, never made it a secret that he had nothing but contempt for this culture. He was also a great supporter of the Vietnam War[3]. Frank was married to Adelaide Gail Sloatman, who comes from a "long line of career Naval officers, including her father, who spent his life working on classified nuclear weapons research for the U.S. Navy. Gail herself had once worked as a secretary for the Office of Naval Research and Development (she also once told an interviewer that she had “heard voices all [her] life”). Many years before their nearly simultaneous arrival in Laurel Canyon, Gail had attended a Naval kindergarten with “Mr. 'Mojo Risin’” himself, Jim Morrison (it is claimed that, as children, Gail once hit Jim over the head with a hammer). The very same Jim Morrison had later attended the same Alexandria, Virginia high school as two other future Laurel Canyon luminaries – John Phillips and Cass Elliott."[4].

"Papa" John Phillips of "The Mamas and the Papas": Son of a retired Marine Corps officer (Captain Claude Andrew Phillips)[5]. "John attended a series of elite military prep schools in the Washington, D.C. area, culminating in an appointment to the prestigious U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis...John married Susie Adams, a direct descendant of ‘Founding Father’ John Adams. Susie’s father, James Adams, Jr., had been involved in what Susie described as “cloak-and-dagger stuff with the Air Force in Vienna,” or what we like to call covert intelligence operations. Susie herself would later find employment at the Pentagon, alongside John Phillip’s older sister, Rosie, who dutifully reported to work at the complex for nearly thirty years. John’s mother, ‘Dene’ Phillips, also worked for most of her life for the federal government in some unspecified capacity."[6]

Stephen Stills of "Buffalo Springfield" and "Crosby, Stills, Nash (and Young): Born to a Military family[7]. Stills was educated primarily at schools on military bases and at elite military academies.[8]

David Crosby of "The Byrds" and "Crosby, Stills, Nash (and Young)": "...the son of an Annapolis graduate and WW II military intelligence officer, Major Floyd Delafield Crosby. Like others in this story, Floyd Crosby spent much of his post-service time traveling the world. Those travels landed him in places like Haiti, where he paid a visit in 1927, when the country just happened to be, coincidentally of course, under military occupation by the U.S. Marines. One of the Marines doing that occupying was a guy that we met earlier by the name of Captain Claude Andrew Phillips"[9] (father of "Papa" John Phillips. Small world, Wes Penre's comment).

"Suffice it to say that the Crosby family tree includes a truly dizzying array of US senators and congressmen, state senators and assemblymen, governors, mayors, judges, Supreme Court justices, Revolutionary and Civil War generals, signers of the Declaration of Independence, and members of the Continental Congress. It also includes, I should hasten to add – for those of you with a taste for such things – more than a few high-ranking Masons. Stephen Van Rensselaer III, for example, reportedly served as Grand Master of Masons for New York. And if all that isn’t impressive enough, according to the New England Genealogical Society, David Van Cortlandt Crosby is also a direct descendant of ‘Founding Fathers’ and Federalist Papers’ authors Alexander Hamilton and John Jay."[10]

Jackson Browne: "...the product of a career military family. Browne’s father was assigned to post-war ‘reconstruction’ work in Germany, which very likely means that he was in the employ of the OSS, precursor to the CIA. As readers of my “Understanding the F-Word” may recall, U.S. involvement in post-war reconstruction in Germany largely consisted of maintaining as much of the Nazi infrastructure as possible while shielding war criminals from capture and prosecution. Against that backdrop, Jackson Browne was born in a military hospital in Heidelberg, Germany."[11]

Gram Parsons of "The Flying Burrito Brothers": "...was the son of Major Cecil Ingram “Coon Dog” Connor II, a decorated military officer and bomber pilot who reportedly flew over 50 combat missions."[12]

Jimi Hendrix of "The Jimi Hendrix Experience": "Hendrix was born on November 27, 1942, in Seattle, Washington, USA, while his father was stationed at an Army base in Oklahoma."[13]

Michael Jeffrey, Jimi Hendrix' Manager: Michael Jeffrey admitted to being an Intelligence Agent. Information was uncovered by Hendrix' biographers Harry Shapiro and Caesar Glebeek in their book, "Jimi Hendrix: Electric Gypsy; from rock historian R. Gary Patterson in his book, Hellbounds on Their Trail: Tales from the Rock ‘n’ Roll Graveyard"[14]; and from John McDermott and Eddie Kramer in their book, "Hendrix: Setting the Record Straight"[15]. The following is a summary of their collective findings:

* Jeffrey often boasted of "undercover work against the Russians, or murder, mayhem and torture in foreign countries." Jeffrey’s father said his son had been stationed in Egypt years earlier and could speak Russian.

* Friends of Hendrix suspected Jeffrey was crooked and they (the friends) confiscated documents from his office which indicated he was embezzling large amounts of money from Jimi’s concert performances. The friends gave the documents to Hendrix, who reportedly took legal actions to recover the embezzled money.

* In July 1970, two months before his death, Hendrix broke all communications with Jeffrey. At that time, Hendrix told film director Chuck Wein: "The next time I go to Seattle will be in a pine box."89

* Two days after Hendrix’s death, Michael Jeffrey confessed to recording engineer Alan Douglas that he was involved in the murder. "In my opinion," Douglas reportedly stated, "Jeffrey hated Hendrix".

Joni Mitchell: "...her father [Bill Anderson] [was] an officer in the Royal Canadian Air Force. During the war years, she moved with her parents to a number of bases in western Canada."[16]

"Colonel" Tom Parker, Elvis Presley's Manager: "...at about the age of 20 [he] joined the United States Army, despite the fact he was not a U.S. citizen [he was Dutch and his real name was Andreas Cornelis (Dries) van Kuijk, Wes Penre's comment]. Van Kuijk was stationed in Hawaii, at a base commanded by a Captain Tom Parker. After leaving the service, van Kuijk adopted the name Tom Parker.[18]

All these military connections are hardly coincidences. I strongly recommend that you read the whole series of articles by David McGowan. It is stunning to learn that all these people mentioned above (except Col. Tom Parker) moved approximately at the same time to Laurel Canyon in California, without knowing each other beforehand (at least that's what we are supposed to believe), and there they started the Hippie Movement together. And here is the key: they all had military connections!

For us who used to believe that the Hippie Movement was a grass root movement against the Vietnam War and authority better think again. David shows us without any doubt that the Hippie Culture which started out in Laurel Canyon, California, had shady origins to say the least, and corruption, crime, murder and you name it followed in its trail and was part of the daily life of the so-called "peace movement", which escalated into the Charles Manson murders. Manson himself, of course, was a central figure in the Hippie Peace Movement and good friends with among others Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys and Neil Young.


Mind Control, Occultism, and Satanism in Rock Music

Fritz Springmeier
Fritz Springmeier


Occultism and science go hand in hand and one wouldn't do well without the other. There are several excellent books written on the subject of occultism and Satanism, among which Fritz Springmeier's and Cisco Wheeler's, "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave"[17] is perhaps one of the better in the genre. In this book, among other things, they mention that the music industry (and the Country Music Industry in particular) is loaded with artists who work as mind control programmers, and many of the musicians are mind control slaves with split personalities, themselves victims of MK ULTRA mind control. Mentioned are Kris Kristofferson, Jerry Lee Lewis, Glen Campbell, and Willie Nelson as being programmers, working for the Illuminati. The Country Music Industry is nothing but a front for secret Illuminati drug smuggling, according to Fritz Springmeier, Cisco Wheeler, former Illuminati mind controlled slave Cathy O'Brien, and other victims of MK ULTRA who have come forth to speak the truth, fearing for their lives while doing so.

In Monarch Programming [an MK ULTRA offspring] the use of mirrors is a basic, important tool to make split multiple personalities. This may sound esoteric and unbelievable to those who are not at all familiar with the techniques, but after reading Springmeier's and Wheeler's book, the following becomes much clearer:

The "mental mirrors", which are programmed into the victim, create thousands of alters (artificial personalities), which can then be programmed in whatever way the Illuminati programmer wants. It's very similar to partitioning a computer hard drive into hundreds, (sometimes even thousands) of partitions and fill each partition with whatever information you want. When opening one of the hard drive partitions, you can access what is in there, but the specific section of the hard drive "doesn't know" what the other sections contain. When the mind is split, the handler and/or the programmer can then make any partition in the brain the "active" one, which means the personality which is programmed into that partition will be the main personality. By using trigger words or codes embedded into the program, the programmer/handler can then switch between the pre-programmed personalities of the victim and bring forth a totally different character, setting that one as "active".

This is very useful if you for example want to create a public person who is an excellent entertainer with a gentle personality as a front, someone who appears to be a balanced family person, and then by using trigger words he/she can change into a cold-blooded killer, a drug dealer, a spy or whatever you want to use him for. No one would have suspected this person, because whatever criminal act he/she is programmed to do, it's literally "out of character". And just like the example with the hard drive, the victim himself is often not aware of his different personalities and often doesn't even remember the crime he committed.

Here are some more excerpts from Springmeier/Wheeler's book in regards to mirrors:

"The child must learn to match identical items very early--even before they can speak. This is so they will be able to build mirror images into their mind. All the senses are trained for building the mirror images; for instance such as silks and cottons can be used for the sense of touch" Chapter 1 page 12. "The elements that make up who a person is--i.e. personality elements such as memories, are fractured. These fragments have in turn often been built up into full-blown personalities with all the elements of full-blown personalities. There is no "real" person, just as if you smash a mirror into a thousand pieces, there is no single piece that is the "real" original mirror but rather simply fragments that can in turn operate as mirrors.

However, there is still a primal self. Early splits are led to believe they are the core" Chapter 1 page 28. "Children are set in front of circus mirrors that make them taller or smaller for programming. They are set in front of mirrors which duplicate their image." Chapter 4 page 64. "pg. 90 Book 3 Ozma of Oz, "Princess Langwidere's sitting-room was paneled with great mirrors, which reached from the ceiling to the floor; also the ceiling was composed of mirrors, and the floor was of polished silver that reflected every object upon it. So when Langwidere sat in her easy chair and played soft melodies upon her mandolin, her form was mirrored hundreds of times, in walls, and ceilings and floor, and whichever way..." This is the mirror programming that has been done to so many victims! Chapter 5 page 112. "Mirrors, and lots of them, are important in occult programming because they make images. They create so many internal images one doesn't know which way to go " [Chapter 10].

The following format the words in italic are direct quotes from Lena Pepitone's book which is entitled Marilyn Monroe Confidential An Intimate Personal Account, NY: Simon & Schuster, 1979. · p.16- "Floor-to-ceiling mirrors were everywhere. Even the dining alcove at the rear of the living room had a table with a mirrored top. All these mirrors didn't cheer things up." In programming Monarch slaves, mirrors are used a great deal. Within the Monarch slave's mind, countless mirror images are made. The slave sees thousands of mirrors everywhere in their mind. Because Marilyn was so stripped of any personal identity, she decorated her house as her mind looked on the inside--full of mirrors. Although other Monarchs may have some desires to decorate with mirrors, Marilyn is the most extreme case I know of filling one's house full of mirrors" [Chapter 12].

With this in mind, it's interesting to read the lyrics from the song called "Room full of mirrors" by Jimi Hendrix. The lyrics go:

"I USED TO LIVE IN A ROOM FULL OF MIRRORS
ALL I COULD SEE WAS ME
WELL I TOOK MY SPIRIT AND I CRASHED MY MIRRORS
NOW THE WHOLE WORLD IS HERE FOR ME TO SEE
I'VE GOT A WHOLE WORLD THAT'S HERE FOR ME TO SEE
NOW I'M SEARCHING FOR MY LOVE TO BE

BROKEN GLASS WAS FALLING IN MY BRAIN
CUTTIN' AND SCREAMIN' AND CRYING IN MY HEAD
BROKEN GLASS WAS FALLING IN MY BRAIN
IT USED TO FALL ON MY DREAMS AND CUT ME IN MY BED
IT USED TO FALL ON MY DREAMS AND CUT ME IN MY BED
I SAID MAKING LOVE WAS STRANGE IN MY BED"

Jimi Hendrix
Jimi Hendrix

The book (and movie) "The Wizard of Oz" is used in Illuminati mind control on a regular basis; this has been confirmed by many mind control survivors. Therefore it is interesting to note that Pink Floyd's incredibly successful album, "The Dark Side Of The Moon"[19] from 1973 seems to be tightly connected to "The Wizard of Oz" movie from 1939 in an interesting way, possibly to trigger mind control survivors. Here is a quote from Wikipedia:

"When the album is played simultaneously with the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz, numerous images from the film appear to synchronise with the music and lyrics. Band members firmly state the phenomenon, dubbed "Dark Side of the Rainbow" or "Dark Side of Oz" by fans, is a coincidence."[20]

Jim Morrison
Jim Morrison


Jim Morrison, the lead singer in "The Doors", who died from a heart attack at the age of 27, admitted to being possessed, and his band members, interviewed after his death, acknowledged the fact and that they themselves noticed this, especially when they played on stage. Jim was convinced he was possessed by the spirit of a dead shaman, who also was his musical guide and from whom he got his charisma. Whether this entity was actually what possessed him or not is up for debate, but there is no doubt that Jim was possessed by something. It shows clearly in this video clip. After Jim left The Doors, he claimed that the shaman had abandoned him and he was "alone with himself", which made him very lost and confused. He complained that his charisma and musical drive were gone due to that the shaman had left Jim's body.

Bob Dylan, Jewish singer, composer and poet, is perhaps one of our most admired artists now living. Though he supposedly converted to Christianity in the late 70s, he has been dedicated to the Jewish Mystery Religions and the occult most of his career. His "Christian Period" may very well have been sincere, but he is once again back where he started and his logo is that of Jewish Freemasonry and Egyptian Mystery Cults, as we can see here:

Bob Dylans' logo Bob Dylans' logo
[The above items come from bobdylanstore.com]

Another thing about Dylan, which I find quite interesting, is from an interview with Ed Bradley on "60 Minutes", around the time when Dylan released the first volume of his book, the trilogy: "Chronicles". I happened to watch it on video.google, more or less by accident (the video clip has since then been removed). Here Dylan suggests he made a bargain with the Devil. This is how the story goes:

Ed Bradley, in the beginning of the interview, asks Dylan how he could write such incredible songs in the 60s. Dylan replies that he really doesn't know; that they were "magically written", and that he can't write songs like that anymore. He also tells Bradley that he felt pretty early in his life that he had a certain "destiny" that he had to keep silent about. By the end of the interview, about 14 minutes and 50 seconds into it, Bradley asks:

- Why do you still do it...why are you still out here?

Dylan replies: - Well, it goes back to that destiny thing. I made a bargain with the...(here Dylan catches himself and doesn't complete the sentence. He continues): You know, a long time ago and...I'm...holding up my end...

Bradley: - What was your bargain?

Dylan: - To get where...ah...I am now.

Bradley (smiling): - Should I ask whom you made the bargain with?

Dylan (nervously smiling and stuttering) - With...with...with...yeah, with the Chief...eh...the Chief Commander...

Bradley: - Of this Earth??? (which is the Devil)

Dylan: - Uhm...of...of this Earth and the world we can't see (Dylan's smile and nervous laughter is shifting back to the melancholy sadness that has been his only expression throughout the whole interview up until Bradley asks about the Devil).

One important thing to remember, though, is that not all artists and musicians are mind controlled, and some don't know anything about what is really going on in the business. Besides that some parts of the industry don't make much sense, they just write it off as oddities. In fact, you don't need to put everybody under mind control to accomplish your goal. As long as the trend makers are either controlled or "one of them" by free will, the rest will follow. When a new trend is created by one or a few artists, more artists will start creating similar kind of music, and the snowball is rolling. The ones who follow often do so without any knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes; they are just milk cows to the Industry.


The Origins of Rock Music

Most people think that rock music started in the 1950s and was a new musical invention. In fact, rock music is an ancient music form, originating from the old Mystery Religions:

"Since the launching of the Beatles as an international project via TV in 1963, "rock" has been the most influential recruiter to Satanism. Rock was created, and is still coordinated by Crowley’s followers and by the OTO network, in cooperation with WICCA. It is, not so incidentally, also the Satanist’s biggest money-maker, and believed to provide the chief logistical support for deployments and other activities of the OTO-WICCA efforts world-wide.

There is nothing spontaneous or accidental about "rock." It is a product of classical studies of the ancient Phrygian terrorist cult of Satan-Dionysos, the model for the Roman Bacchic cults of similar characteristics. Crowley’s control of the "rock industry" has been documented by a team of [private] investigators, who have also noted, that in addition to the Satanist lyrics, Satanist messages embedded sublimely in rock recordings are a key feature of this subversive operation.

The "rock rhythm" itself is copied from the old Dionysian-Bacchic cults. Even without the drugs and sexual orgies which are characteristic features of hard-core rock affairs, repeated, frequent, hours-long exposure to constant repetition of "rock rhythms" produces lasting, drug-like effects on the mind of the victim. Reducing sexual practices to the level of bestiality, is a crucial feature of Satanism in all historical periods studied, from Phrygian Cybele-Dionysos cult-period onward."[21]

Aleister Crowley
Aleister Crowley (with the same occult symbol in the middle of the pyramid as on Bob Dylan's logo above)


For those unfamiliar with Aleister Crowley mentioned in the quote above, he was a Freemason, a magician, an occultist and the Grand Master of the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis), which is an occult order, based on the teaching of the old Egyptian and Eastern Mystery Religions, still alive and practiced in today's society, often by people in high positions inside business, politics and entertainment. Many rock musicians, such as Jimmy Page and John Bonham (deceased) in former Led Zeppelin, Sting, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Ozzy Osbourne, The Eagles, David Bowie and The Doors, to name a few, see Crowley as their mentor and spiritual guide. Jimmy Page has one of the largest collections of Crowley's books in the world and even bought his property by Lake Lochness in Scotland. Crowley named himself "The Beast 666", which is Satan's number.[22]

Gavin Baddeley[23], another Crowley student, is the head of Church of Satan in Great Britain, and the author of the book, "Lucifer Rising: Sin, Devil Worship, and Rock'n'Roll"[24]. This is actually an excellent resource if you really want to know what the music industry is all about. In the book he is interviewing artists that are overtly and covertly satanic, many of them also admitting to being members of the Church of Satan, which makes shocking reading. The book definitely kills the myth that occultism and Satanism in rock music is just a gimmick; it's the real thing. The information comes directly from the horse's mouth.


The Destruction of Fine Art

Years ago, I believe in the 1990s, there was a documentary on Television about a famous young New York "painter", who sat in a bar with a reporter, bragging over his art, drinking whisky like water. Then he showed the reporter his art gallery. Well in there, you could see about twenty painters creating paintings like if it was in a factory. Ten, maybe twenty unfinished canvases were lined up against the wall, and the painters walked from painting to paining, back and forth, and added something new to each one. Our famous, bragging "painter phenomenon" with the whisky glass looked at the finished paintings and either accepted or rejected them. Then he put HIS signature on them, although he never even used one brush stroke on any of them. Later he sold a painting for around $800,000.00. The real painters, who had created his work, were nothing more than slave labor and were poorly paid.

This is the effect of the OTO-connected Andy Warhol, who finally destroyed fine art in the 60's with his so called pop-art. He said in an interview something to the effect that "fine art is dead - this is the art of the New Era" (referring to his own pop-art). An act of rebellion or an act with a purpose to degrade art like they've done with music? Warhol was a big puppet for the Illuminati Elite; by degrading the art we also degrade the human spirit.

Picasso once said that to be able to create a good "alternative" art form and even abstract art, you basically must be an excellent traditional painter first. He was right, and if you look at his early work, you can see that he was mastering traditional painting before he changed styles into what he became famous for. But his wise words now seem to be forgotten.


Put in Perspective

In the beginning of this article we talked about Hollywood and the Music Industry as propaganda machines, which is exactly what they are. Entertainment - yes, but with a specific message. You may say that of course there are rock groups that are overtly Satanic and destructive, but there are also artists that are gentle, writing beautiful songs about love and harmony. How can they possibly be part of the Agenda? But they are, often without their knowledge. This is how it works, in a nutshell:

The Illuminati works with the principles of Yin and Yang. There has to be a balance; that's why many of them also are philanthropists to counter the negativity they are involved in. If all music was dark and Satanic in its nature, most people would reject it. There has to be music for everybody, but they also know that where you put your intention and your energy, that's where you get results. And if you watch Hollywood movies and listen to the lyrics of your music heroes and are knowledgeable about the occult and the Illuminati Agenda, you will soon discover how much occult symbolism and covert promotion for a World Government and a unity of all people and races into one united world there is in the context. There is nothing wrong with being united, and many people embrace it, such as the New Age Movement (another culture created by the Illuminati). However, they don't know what uniting means in this case and what the end product will be. They only know that their heroes are singing about love and unity and it sounds like a good thing. The Power Elite is not stupid, they know how the human mind works.

This is how art, music and film are intertwined with the New World Order Agenda:

1. Let's say that the Illuminati is ready to move on to the next level of control over the world and they need to indoctrinate people in a new way to have their support. Much of the planning is political and financial in nature and is happening behind the scenes, but two of their most powerful instruments are Hollywood and the Music Industry, because that is where they can reach the masses. So they are deciding to set a new trend to promote their latest strategy.

2. They use mind controlled people (musicians/actors/producers etc.) and other greedy artists, who have sworn obedience to the cause to set this trend, in exchange for wealth, drugs, groupies and/or whatever they want, in order to be satisfied. Those controlled artists and actors are heavily promoted with techniques learnt from Nazi Germany, which developed the most extraordinary techniques to manipulate the masses that this world has ever seen. L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, confessed to his disciples in writing that he used Goebbels’ Propaganda Machine to get people into the cult (and keep them there). The Illuminati have no problems promoting whatever they want, and have people respond like they want them to.

3. The “trend-makers” set the direction for the new trends, and people will start worshipping those new idols.

4. Other (often more talented) musicians follow up on that trend and create their own version of the new idea. Those musicians also get contracts with the Record Companies, and can be ordinary people like you and I, who have never been tampered with in mind control programs like MK ULTRA and Project Monarch. Those musicians (and actors) don’t have to be severely mind controlled to unwittingly help out with the Agenda of the Elite. They just jump on the same bandwagon as the trend-makers, and the snowball is starting to roll. Thus, the Illuminati, who basically invented the trend, can sit back and watch. We, the citizens, are doing the rest for them. And of course, there is a financial aspect to it as well; whatever it takes to make an extra buck. Thus, they also sign up artists they know will probably only have one hit and then they throw them out.

5. Other gifted musicians and actors, who are creating art that goes outside the Agenda – or against it – have little chance to get their message out broadly, because nobody at the top of the Industry (where the money is) is willing to promote them. It is the same pattern as within politics. Only those who are promoted by the super-wealthy Elite stand a chance. The International Bankers (The Illuminati) are the ones who own the Industry. As soon as someone outside the Agenda is creating something new (may it be a new type of music trend, a new label with contrary or new fresh ideas) which is either against their interests or a threat in the sense of competition, the Illuminati is quick to buy them out. If the Company or the persons refuse to sell, they are threatened. We all have seen Mafia Movies. That is exactly how it works.

So are we supposed to stop listening to the music we've always liked after have read this article? It's up to each one of us to make that decision, but for mass mind control like this to work, the receiver has to be ignorant of what is going on or it won't work. I am torn myself, because I love some of the old music from the 60s-70s and I still listen to it with pleasure, but without being indoctrinated and seeing the musicians as heroes. On the other hand, by buying the music, I support this criminal industry, which I don't like to do. So that's where I stand, in all honesty.


Conclusion

From what we have discussed in this article, we can see the pattern. It is no coincidence that so many mega rock stars have military and Intelligence family ties. It's within the Military complex and the Intelligence Agencies that mind control takes place, and many of those rock stars are either under mind control or just greedy, willing to follow any agenda to get an abundance of money, sex and drugs. We also see that behind it all lurk the secret societies with their occult knowledge. The guru for many rock stars is Aleister Crowley, a magician who spent his life in and out of asylums due to the rituals he practiced and all the drugs he took. Also, people close to him had a strange tendency to die before their time. But he had great occult knowledge and this knowledge is used within the music/film industries as well as high up in the Illuminati.

The reason why we have financial meltdown, why life is so hectic and why all these wars are going on all over the planet is because there is a secret powerful cabal of occult practitioners behind the scenes creating this chaos with a long term goal to accomplish a One World Government where no one is free and nothing but slave labor to those in power. This is a goal they have been working on for centuries and it's a huge task to accomplish, and they know that they would have little chance to reach there unless they had Hollywood and the Music Industry to use as major propaganda machines.

On the bright side, people are currently waking up to this fact and start getting their voices heard. However, we are racing against time, because the Power Elite is quite close to accomplishing their goals and we need to act now if we will stand a chance. Once they succeed, it will be next to impossible to reverse the effects.

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[0] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA

[1] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison#Early_years; http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

[2] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa#Early_life

[3} ^ http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

[4] ^ ibid.

[5] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Phillips_(musician)#Early_life

[6] ^ http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

[7] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Stills#Early_years

[8] ^ http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

[9] ^ ibid.

[10] ^ ibid.

[11] ^ ibid. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Browne#Early_life_and_songwriter_ for_others

[12] ^ http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

[13] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_hendrix#Early_life

[14] ^ http://www.amazon.com/Jimi-Hendrix-Electric-Harry-Shapiro/dp/031213062 7

[15] ^ http://www.amazon.com/Hendrix-Setting-Straight-Edward-Kramer/dp/044639 4319

[16] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joni_Mitchell#Early_life

[17] ^ http://www.amazon.com/Illuminati-formula-create-undetectable-controlle d/dp/B0006QXVU4

[18] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tom_Parker#Real_birthplace

[19] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon

[20] ^ ibid.

[21] ^ http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_lucytrust 03.htm

[22] ^ To read more about the Illuminati, occultism, secret societies and and Aleister Crowley, see the following sections of my website: The Illuminati, Secret Societies and Occultism. Occultism in relation to entertainment, see section The Occult Rock Music.

[23] ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Baddeley

[24] ^ http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/105-3916154-7459636?url=search-al ias=stripbooks&field-keywords=lucifer+rising
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I'm not convinced by this. Just about anybody in the 1960s had family with military ties (WW2 being just 20 years beforehand)
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Nah,can't see this either!

Next you'll be saying all media outlets are controlling us by advanced,and not so advanced propaganda methods for decades Wink

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Phew! Since I don't worship Satan, believe in him, want a one world government or carry out mind controlled missions I've obviously been wise to avoid listening to The Doors or Bob Dylan and stick with death metal and black metal.
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Phew! Since I don't worship Satan, believe in him, want a one world government or carry out mind controlled missions I've obviously been wise to avoid listening to The Doors or Bob Dylan and stick with death metal and black metal.

I just took a random CD and Root it was and still spinning as I type Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: How the CIA and Military Control the Music Industry Reply with quote

Linda wrote:
How the CIA and Military Control the Music Industry

'When everything else in the world seems to be upside down, at least we can find our comfort in rock music, by listening to our old heroes, who truly know what the world is about and how to rebel against it.

At least this is what we are led to believe.'

Read more...

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00357.html


I put this up on Media thread, but it is linked to this music/control business:

Disco_Destroyer put a Peter Tosh video clip up on another thread - 'Banking Collapse'. I watched it, ever having heard of Peter Tosh; then I checked out some of the related clips. It seems he was threatened by 'Security Forces' (see end of this video clip) with death; and sure enough, he was killed in highly suspicious circs. There are oodles of related clips which come up, and I don't have time to check them out, but the guy certainly was trying to give people 'the Truth':

This is just part one of 10-part documentary; others are linked):

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJ0b98bI1o&feature=related

And I've now found out he was assassinated on 11th September, 1987!!
Chile 11th September 1973; Peter Tosh 11th September 1987; US 11th September 2001.

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I've only read a little of the linked material, and though it may not be very convincing or well explained, to me, it is plainly obvious that "they" use all media in their mass mind control.

Why wouldn't they?


I'm only posting to this thread to note that I have it from an unimpeachable (imo) music industry source that Special Branch maintain a small section dedicated to monitoring all music and song lyrics released in the U.K.

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If anyone here buys mainstream music and film more fool them Razz
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simplesimon wrote:
I've only read a little of the linked material, and though it may not be very convincing or well explained, to me, it is plainly obvious that "they" use all media in their mass mind control.

Why wouldn't they?


I'm only posting to this thread to note that I have it from an unimpeachable (imo) music industry source that Special Branch maintain a small section dedicated to monitoring all music and song lyrics released in the U.K.


This police monitoring music and lyrics is the opposite of control being exerted. How the music industry is supposed to be 'controlled' (beyond pure commercial interest) is beyond me. Unless one believes, as per the article, Satan is preoccupied with doddering old rock groups many of today's youth are totally unfamiliar with (I spoke to a teenager recently who had never even heard of Jimi Hendrix!). Indeed, all that article indicates is that some people need to get hip to the groove, daddyo.
There is a staggering amount of music available these days and huge swathes of it represents people who aren't moulded by major labels into purely money making operations making independent music it would be functionally impossible to 'control'. How do 'they' use music for 'mass mind control'?

However, I would be grateful if you could possibly give any elaboration from your 'music industry source' as to how this police monitoring apparently works as I find it intriguing.
On one hand, it's the kind of dumb thing you can see them doing, on the other how does it possibly work and what's it for?
Quite how they are supposed to monitor something as vast as all the music that gets released (including many releases that are only available mail order from obscure indie labels ) is beyond me. Do they monitor all genres? Is there an officer who looks at what's happening in the world of Pornogrind? Cybergrind? Nintendocore? (Nintendocore exists, I kid you not -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendocore). Do the police seriously monitor what Crowbar Abortion, Anal C*nt, Ish*trobots and Nunwhore Commando 666 are singing about these days? How on earth can they keep up with literally thousands upon thousands of bands in a totally bewildering array of genres. Does this mean some copper has studied the lyrics to copper c*nt by Hard Skin? (you walk the streets with a tit on your head...Copper copper copper! C*nt c*nt c*unt!...)
I would guess they monitor 'extremism' in music but to what end? Fun-da-mental had media attention and controversy over the 'pro-terrorist' all is war that has yet - AFAIK - to be formally released in this country, but you can still buy it easily enough. Obscure grindcore band Scalplock saw the world watch indifferently as they had the fiercely anti-Israel spread the germs over the human worms be turned down by a string of pressing plants due to inner sleeve art depicting a swastika merged with a star of David, but they found a pressing plant that would handle it and it's freely available offending artwork intact. I have a copy. What do the police care about such examples?
Otherwise are they looking for stuff that is unlawful? But in what way?
If anything, the kind of hysteria over music in the 80s that saw the Dead Kennedys prosecuted in America for 'distributing harmful matter to minors' and political controversy raised about Crass in the House of Commons regarding their anti-Falklands war EP and spoof tape about the sinking of the Belgrano seems to have faded. Leftover Crack can sing I pledge allegience to no flag
Top that bottle with an oily rag
We're building up an army fast
To destroy the pigs and break the upper class
and nobody really cares.



Ok, America can still be a bit funny, but this is the country that persistently refused to let New Model Army tour for God's sake.
Given the total dearth of meaningful radical movements in this day and age when instead people do stuff like chunter on about Jews on internet forums or think they're being, like, way radical by reading daft sites like Rense why does it matter? It's not like music is some big threat is it?

I am not challenging your assertion as I think it could possibly be true - I just find it perplexing and suspect it may mean time and taxpayers money are being wasted on a totally pointless endeavour.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've skimmed this thread only, attracted as ever by Dogs posts who seems to be missing the point in this case.

I mean, I'm listening to The CIA Was Never Interested in "Counter Culture's" greatest hits at the moment, which, for those of you who don't know, had a massive hit with "The Beatles Just Got Lucky With Their Groovy Haircuts", c/w B Side, Drugs Arrived Everywhere by Accident.

NSI's post seems to hit my nerve, without a mention of Jews or Israel.

And why should it.

A question I have debated ad nauseam:

How did we get from Stockhausen to Boyzone ?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh man, that was written with all the insight of somebody for whem reading about it was the closest they ever got to the 'counter-culture'.

And anyway, wasn't it the KGB (in cahoots with their Black Power and Stop the War labelmates) behind Woodstock and the IoW Festivals?
Thought that was common knowledge in Daily Express land.

Still, nice to see from your writing style that you're not stinting and taking plenty of drugs now Mark.

Score another one for 'attempting to influence' being hyped up to full-on 'control'.

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Mark Gobell wrote:
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Well Mark that's lovely but just to be clear I'm simply seeking clarification on exactly how 'they' might be controlling the choonz we all enjoy - vague allusions to the CIA being interested in the 'counter culture' and 'drugs being everywhere' don't quite provide the required narrative. Though I admit I have sometimes pondered why certain crazed popsters were suddenly drawn to the frenzied rhythms of Negro jazz while getting ripped to the tits during the 1920s. And I do keep hearing that Paul McCartney was replaced by an imposter, presumably at the behest of the New World Order, so who knows.

I am also seeking clarification as to how and to what end special branch allegedly monitor all music and lyrics - which must include everything from Girls Aloud through DJ Scotch Egg to Aanal Nathrakh and everything in between. I don't think that's an unreasonable question. Human stupidity is such I don't preclude the possibility - in fact I find the notion quite entertainingly surreal - the idea of some dibble trying to make sense of Ministry's Jesus built my hotrod (or pretty much anything by Aanal Nathrakh for that matter) is the kind of thing I'd like to be true.
This is irrelevant anyway as it is SimpleSimon's anecdote and he sent me to Coventry a long time ago so it is unlikely he will elaborate unless one of the other boys asks him very nicely.
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Dogsmilk wrote:
Phew! Since I don't worship Satan, believe in him, want a one world government or carry out mind controlled missions I've obviously been wise to avoid listening to The Doors or Bob Dylan and stick with death metal and black metal.


Great to know there are other metal fans on this forum!

Extreme metal is my main passion, and there are loads of bands these days it seems with an anti NWO message.

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Much of this is laughable rubbish...
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Jimi Hendrix of "The Jimi Hendrix Experience": "Hendrix was born on November 27, 1942, in Seattle, Washington, USA, while his father was stationed at an Army base in Oklahoma."[13]

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Tony's bipolar funda-metalism missing the thrust of the rock splendid iron axe, yet again . . .

chek wrote:
Oh man, that was written with all the insight of somebody for whem reading about it was the closest they ever got to the 'counter-culture'.


I smoked pot for ages !!

I even inhaled once or twice !!!!

I listened to unfashionable music, even when it was unfashionable.

I still do, even though the fashion has changed by the time I get to the bridge . . .

You are absolutely incorrect Chek. I don't read rubbish at all.

And in doing so, choose my authors very carefully.

I'm currently enjoying Angel at the Fence . . . a tour de force of the genre in my, incredibly humble, semi-literate opinion.

chek wrote:
And anyway, wasn't it the KGB (in cahoots with their Black Power and Stop the War labelmates) behind Woodstock and the IoW Festivals?


You're kidding !

I was there and had no idea !!!!

chek wrote:
Thought that was common knowledge in Daily Express land.


blasted eck Chek. I'll order some back issues man.


chek wrote:
Still, nice to see from your writing style that you're not stinting and taking plenty of drugs now Mark.


How in the name of the great Osama did you conjour up the courage to be so libellous ?

chek wrote:
Score another one for 'attempting to influence' being hyped up to full-on 'control'.


I'm too stoned to even attempt to understand that Cheky baby love . . .

Kisses and peace Chek man . . . or woman . . .

Knock at the door - gotta go . . .

Back.

It was just some Orthodox April Gallop pollster trying to sell me some 11/9 Truth Hoax Thingy about no planes and the like . . .

Would you believe it eh ?

Like White Phosphorous (WP) in Gaza eh Chek.

Chek on another forum as Chek NI wrote:
As a perhaps dissident (a term I prefer to 'fake') truther I'm more interested in what actually happened than in shoring up myths. In much the same way as it's unrealistic in expecting people to be able to differentiate between WP explosions over Gaza and those that might happen in an episode of Scooby-Doo, I suppose.
C'est la vie.


truthmover wrote:

That's a shi tty comment for you to make. You make a lot of shi tty comments.



ChekNI wrote:
One does tend to reach a point when attempted sales of waddling, quacking waterfowl being purveyed as cats wears thin.


truthmover wrote:

I don't like you.


ChekNI wrote:
No problem. It's probably because I'm a bit of a cu nt.


Charming.....

By the way my lovely no planes debunker, how's the no planes at the Pentagon thing going Chek ?

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By the way my lovely no planes debunker, how's the no planes at the Pentagon thing going Chek ?


Did this thread just undergo some sort of Möbius-type transformation?
Are the Shillklown Stalking Gang now franchising?

The trouble with being semi-literate is that by definition, at least 50% of what is read is not understood.

Now what's all this about "no planes" at the Pentagon?

Certainly CIT have recorded many witnesses on location in the vicinity of the Pentagon that mutually corroborate an airliner approaching the Pentagon at low level on the morning of 911.

And that's mostly where any similarity to the US Govt.'s version of events and reliable evidence ends.

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chek wrote:
Mark Gobell wrote:
By the way my lovely no planes debunker, how's the no planes at the Pentagon thing going Chek ?


chek wrote:
Did this thread just undergo some sort of Möbius-type transformation?


My semi literate response to that question is:

I have never heard of Möbius and can't be bothered to google Möbius so I don't know if this thread's transformation has undergone some sort of Möbius-type transformation.

It has undergone some sort of transformation though. That much is obvious. Hope you're not objecting, if so, I'll start a new thread and pose the same question again.


chek wrote:
Are the Shillklown Stalking Gang now franchising?


Why in the world do you insist on trying to label people who post stuff that questions / challenges your posts, as members of a gang that are in opposition to you.

People can post stuff like questions Chek, without being signed up members of a particular doctrine.

Your insistence on attempting to categorise them as such speaks volumes for how you see these issues.

The semi-literate among us might even begin to think that your knee jerk, imaginary associations are attempts to denigrate and smear . . .

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The trouble with being semi-literate is that by definition, at least 50% of what is read is not understood.


I can read and write, but not at the same time. I don't understand much of what I read and when I've re-read it a few times and still don't understand it, I ask questions. Just like you do here:

chek wrote:
Now what's all this about "no planes" at the Pentagon?


Are you semi-literate chek ? Why are you asking questions ? Don't you understand the question?

chek wrote:
Certainly CIT have recorded many witnesses on location in the vicinity of the Pentagon that mutually corroborate an airliner approaching the Pentagon at low level on the morning of 911.

And that's mostly where any similarity to the US Govt.'s version of events and reliable evidence ends.


That is part of what I did understand from your posts at truthaction.org that I linked to.

Your post that started that thread, is here:

Chek NI @ truthaction.org wrote:
This must be about the only 911 site not discussing the recently filed Gallop case.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/911_survivor_blasts_Rumsfeld_Cheney_No_1 217.html

One of the things working against her is that she supports the CIT case that what we have been led to believe about the Pentagon strike is not true and furthermore, discussion of which is verboten in some quarters.

One of the overwhelming factors for those concerned about "disinfo" is the citing of witnesses who claim to have seen the strike happen. Indeed on 911 Blogger, this is exactly the case and has resulted in some voting down of those who are prepared to see beyond the implications of the infamous "honeypot" warning, as I believe Jim Hoffman christened it.

I examined a cited witness claim in detail to see what gives, and this is what I found. But I couldn't see a way to post it at Blogger so here it is here.

Transcript of the video statement of Pentagon strike witness Isabel James:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ihc1_pentagon-eyewitness-isabel-jam es_news

Reporter: 'You say that you saw a plane actually strike the side of the Pentagon. Tell me exactly what you saw'.

Isabel James: "I saw a plane going down - big plane, commercial liner type, going down, full speed and just ... inside ... the side of the Pentagon.
Uh, obviously it was going in the Pentagon purposely, and we were driving down Columbia Pike, and it just flew right over us. As I said full speed and I told my husband 'it's going in the Pentagon! It's going in the Pentagon!' and then we heard ... the ..er ...huge crash, saw this fireball .... and flame ... and smoke ... and....".

Reporter: 'So you actually saw the plane impact the side of the building'?

Isabel James: "Yes I did".

And that satisfyingly definite edit point is where most "truthers" stop listening. Case closed.
But wait - there's more:

Reporter: 'Just one plane'?

Isabel James: "Just one plane".

Reporter: 'Tell me a little bit about the size of the plane. Did you see any commercial markings ... any markings at all on the plane'?

Isabel James: "I didn't see any marking because it was...um... we just saw the underneath portion of it, ... so and it.. it just...as I said was going full speed so we... we didn't have time really to see anything, plus with the trees ... you know maybe if I could have looked at it longer maybe I would have seen something but with the trees there.. the treeline we didn't see any type of marking ... but it was a big plane maybe 737 my husband said 747 but I ... I'm not positive I don't know for sure ... but it was big uh definitely the kind of plane you you you get on when you want to fly to LA or wherever".

Now here's the thing.
If Isabel James view was obscured by trees then she was anything up to half a mile away or more, as the only trees on Columbia Pike that could have blocked her view are those in front of the Navy Annexe. The yellow line of sight on the map below indicates where Columbia Pike seperates into Oakland, and the red outlined area isolates the trees that block the view to the impact point. If indeed the aircraft passed over the heads of Mr. & Mrs James then both the OCT and the (disputed) NTSB data could place them a further half to quarter mile back from that closest point.



With the topography of the area she could not have seen the Pentagon itself, so what she actually saw was a low flying aircraft followed by "we heard ... the ... er ...huge crash, saw this fireball .... and flame ... and smoke ... and...."

CIT have applied similar scrutiny to the oft-quoted "witnesses", but again of course, most of us are too lazy to double check, and accept words such as those of Ms. James at face value. God help us.

In other words, just like a member of a magician's audience, and as painstakingly explained previously by CIT, she fell for the military deception exactly as planned.

As do some, yea, even unto this day.


For those, normally too lazy to double check Chek, here's the link to the truthaction thread that you started:

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4800&postdays=0&postorder =asc&start=0&sid=4faa9bb2132adfce01dbeab0583527b4

Now, for the semi-literate Chek, what military deception might you be referring to here ?

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Why don't you sign up and find out, instead of doing the same creepy forum stalking routine like the Shillklown Gang are wont to do?
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Is that it ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chek wrote:
Why don't you sign up and find out, instead of doing the same creepy forum stalking routine like the Shillklown Gang are wont to do?


In fact, Chek first wrote:

chek wrote:
Why don't you sign up and find out


I have no idea why she advises that I sign up to something, without stating what that something is.

Assuming she means the truthaction forum where the entire planet can read about Chek's post about the Pentagon, then I'm stumped as to why I should have to sign up to a forum which I can already read and why signing up to that forum would provide an answer to my question.

Then, she added to her post: (as per the edit)

chek wrote:
instead of doing the same creepy forum stalking routine like the Shillklown Gang are wont to do?


Are you having a bad day Chek ?

Again Chek, I counter your dizzying attempts to associate my post with your declared opposition with a statement I posted earlier, which you seemed to have ignored:

Mark Gobell wrote:
Why in the world do you insist on trying to label people who post stuff that questions / challenges your posts, as members of a gang that are in opposition to you.

People can post stuff like questions Chek, without being signed up members of a particular doctrine.

Your insistence on attempting to categorise them as such speaks volumes for how you see these issues.

The semi-literate among us might even begin to think that your knee jerk, imaginary associations are attempts to denigrate and smear . . .


On another thread where Chek waxes lyrically about Scottish science, whilst simultaneously attempting to silence a poster on a Scottish forum topic, I posted a link to Chek's new found Pentagon Orthodoxy some 9 days ago.

To date that post remains unanswered. . .

Now Chek may have received email notification of my reply to that thread, she may have ignored it. Either way, she's had 9 days to respond to it and yet today when she does eventually respond on this thread, I still don't get my question answered.

The semi-literate among us might think you are evading the question Chek.

Or, in fairness, just having a bad day maybe?

Anyway Chek, care to answer this repeated question please:

Mark Gobell wrote:
Exactly what military deception might you be referring to at the Pentagon ?


For a mind so full and confident on 9/11 aircraft issues Chek, your silence is simply not credible.

Now, elucidate . . .

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Whom It May Concern.

Take note that the poster/stalker known as Mark Gobell is being ignored by me.

A stalker, for the benefit of those unclear as to the definition, is a sub-species of forum inhabitant who takes a morbid interest in other posters rather than the topics at hand.

You might like to check out this joker's last half dozen posts for confirmation.

You might also choose to while away the time as to wonder why poster/stalker Mark Gobell has never posted on the actual subject of 911 on a 911 Forum and why should he start now.

On the other hand you may find, like me, that life's too short or you've got some important paint drying that needs a close eye kept on it.

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chek wrote:
To Whom It May Concern.

Take note that the poster/stalker known as Mark Gobell is being ignored by me.

A stalker, for the benefit of those unclear as to the definition, is a sub-species of forum inhabitant who takes a morbid interest in other posters rather than the topics at hand.

You might like to check out this joker's last half dozen posts for confirmation.

You might also choose to while away the time as to wonder why poster/stalker Mark Gobell has never posted on the actual subject of 911 on a 911 Forum and why should he start now.

On the other hand you may find, like me, that life's too short or you've got some important paint drying that needs a close eye kept on it.


Chek, as I've asked previously, are you OK?

I am genuinely concerned about your mental health.

Your post is irrational and without any foundation whatsoever.

My question to you remains, in the interests on 9/11 Truth and where your current attitude lies with respect to what happened at the Pentagon:

Mark Gobell wrote:
Exactly what military deception might you be referring to at the Pentagon ?


You may try to evade the question Chek, with smears and libellous statements, but your continued obfuscation will be judged by all.

This is a public forum Chek where we have had many an encounter in the past.

Indeed, this forum provides ample evidence of your willingness to engage with any and all posters who offer counter arguments to your stated position.

For you to now declare that a 9 day old unanswered question and it's follow up by me amounts to some kind of "stalking" is beyond belief and lacks any foundation.

I remind you, that all I have asked of you is to respond to this question:

Mark Gobell wrote:
Exactly what military deception might you be referring to at the Pentagon ?


And your response is that I am somehow stalking you.

Disgusting and pathetic.

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To Whom It May Concern


The stalker Mark Gobell wrote on Fri Jan 09 7:44pm, adding his normal attempted insouciance gobbledegook of a reply - the same sort that got him suspended when he pulled it regarding Ian Neal last year and wot Mr. Gobell finks is so clever -, to a thread that's been dead since last September:
Stalker Gobell wrote:
Meanwhile, us dumbed down folk are still waiting for the videos of at least one of the, presumably, innumerable vehicles that crash into concrete and steel structures and then, with or without a flash, disappear....

Whilst you're all waiting for that to happen, you might be interested in StefanChekNI as the new, no planers . . .

I, for one, do not, knowingly, imbibe fluoride, so it must be something else.


In his rage at going unnoticed, he apparently has begun a forum stalking campaign. Taking it upon himself to cross post from another topic regarding April Gallop, the Pentagon survivor on another forum into completely unrelated threads on this forum, he posed the question:

Stalker Gobell wrote:
Exactly what military deception might you be referring to at the Pentagon ?


To which I advised him to sign up at the forum and pursue the topic.

Which stalker Gobell apparently doen't find suitable.

Diddums.

Disgusting and pathetic is right, as most whining usually is.

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Disgusting and pathetic is right, as most whining usually is.

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The truth, of course, is that there are some extremely sinister control freaks in the music industry but that's been lost in this game of ego-fuelled ping pong.

Feel free to explain yourself Chek.

Can everybody talk to the topic not take out the talker.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
The truth, of course, is that there are some extremely sinister control freaks in the music industry


The even worse truth is that there are some extremely sinister control freaks in every walk of life, which is one reason I resolved back in 1978 never to work in private industry again.
Never mind what those who are condemned to the lives of trafficked slaves in every commodity that serve the underbelly of our civilisation have to contend with.

Of course there are a similar amount in public service too, but they're more constrained there.

However, despite the implications, it's the art that keeps the industry afloat. People, on the whole like that which is pleasing on many different levels. The sharks like to think that it all happens because of them, and as long as they are happy to delude themselves that is the case, the artists are ok with that. As long as they get distributed and publicised. That's no guarantee of course, and there are exceptions which test the rule, but on the whole talent will out.

But then, despite his prodigious reputation for ripping off others, I think (among many others) that Jimmy Page is very talented, so what do I know?

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but that's been lost in this game of ego-fuelled ping pong.


Ah yes. Stalkers have a pattern of trying to reduce everything to their level. Poor Mark can hardly keep his pants dry over no planes at present, but he just can't conceive how to go about dealing with it.

And as his adopted demeanour generally irritates me and makes me sick, I don't feel inclined to assist with suggestions. I mean, take "imbibed"? from his 9th January post which everybody must surely have read, he thinks. When was the last time that word saw the light of day outside of a performance of "Martin Chuzzlewit"?

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Feel free to explain yourself Chek.


I don't have to explain myself thanks Tony, I already posted what I need to say.

TonyGosling wrote:
Can everybody talk to the topic not take out the talker.


Well ... quite.
Can the management not do something about the blatant and obvious disruptors infesting this forum?

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This audio discussion about Hollywood is very ...er interesting:

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What the HELL is Debbie Harry getting herself involved with this sick dross for?


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