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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:21 pm    Post subject: 16 yrs on: demolition of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory Reply with quote

911 Truth radio discussion countering 16 years of media lies Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:00 pm Fri Sep 08, 2017 TonyGosling
With authors of '911 The New Evidence', Ian Henshall and 'Solving 911' Chris Bollyn

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/cal_lite.php?id=1232&mode=display&cl_ d=8&cl_m=09&cl_y=2017

5-7pm on Friday 8th September 2021
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The Great 9/11 coverup
https://off-guardian.org/2016/09/07/the-great-911-coverup/

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When an event occurs that that fundamentally changes the dynamics of global geopolitics, there is one question above all others whose answer will most assuredly point to its perpetrators. That question is 'Cui bono?' If those so indicted are in addition found to have had both motive and means then, as they say in the US, it's pretty much a 'slam-dunk'.
And so it is with the events of 9/11.
Discounting the Official Narrative as the absurdity it so clearly is, there are just two organisations on the entire planet with the expertise, assets, access and political protection necessary to have both executed 9/11 and effected its cover-up to date (ie the means). Both are Intelligence Agencies - the CIA and the Israeli Mossad whose motives were arguably the most compelling. Those motives dovetailed perfectly with the Neocon PNAC agenda, with it's explicitly stated need for '...a catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor' [1] in order to mobilise US public opinion for already planned wars, the effects of which would be to destroy Israel's enemies.
This article marshals evidence for the proposition that 'Israel did it'.
https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
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1. Rebuilding America's Defences. PNAC September 2000

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea! thanks!

WTC 7 Evaluation
http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/

WTC 7 Evaluation is a study at the University of Alaska Fairbanks using finite element modelling to evaluate the possible causes of World Trade Center Building 7's collapse.
Update: Tune in at 8 p.m. Eastern Time on Wednesday, September 6, 2017, to watch the live stream of Dr. Leroy Hulsey’s presentation from the University of Alaska Fairbanks. There he will present the findings and conclusions of the study detailed in his team’s September 2017 progress report, which will be issued the same day.

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wonderful - with the legendary Aaron Russo too
911 Documentry What Is The Point

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RFID Chip, 911 Was An Inside Job, Rockefeller, New World Order

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BCfm’s 16th Anniversary 9/11 Truth Politics Show presented by Tony Gosling
https://politicsthisweek.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/bcfms-16th-anniversa ry-911-truth-politics-show-presented-by-tony-gosling/

Friday 8th September 2017
[no show on Friday 1st September 2017 due to BCfm moving]
BCfm’s weekly Politics Show presented by Tony Gosling

At five – discussing the big stories in Bristol, Britain and around the world
After six – straight talking and investigative reports with Martin Summers

Listen live http://www.bcfmradio.com/player or http://stream.bcfmradio.com:7017/live.mp3
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First hour: News review: with authors of ‘9/11 The New Evidence’ Ian Henshall and ‘Solving 9/11’ Chris Bollyn.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:09 am    Post subject: 9/11 More evidence of collusion, confusion and cover ups. Reply with quote

The Inside Story Of 9/11 2017 Operation Phoenix Update 2

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The conspiracies that won't go away: Brother of 9/11 victim claim the US orchestrated the atrocity as new study shows it was impossible that the third tower collapsed from fire

By Sue Reid for the Daily Mail 01:14, 09 Sep 2017
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4867124/9-11-conspiracy-theori es-persist-16-years-atrocity.html

Geoff Campbell, 31, was one of 67 Britons killed in the New York 9/11 attacks
His brother refuses to accept the official line and insists there was a cover-up
Matt Campbell will protest outside BBC Broadcasting House on the anniversary
Next Monday afternoon, Matt Campbell will stand outside BBC Broadcasting House in London’s Portland Place, protesting about the killing of his brother, Geoff, and 66 other Britons, in the 9/11 terror attack at the New York World Trade Centre.

After the horror on September 11, 2001, there was no trace of Geoff. The 31-year-old risk analyst had been attending a conference on the 106th floor in the North Tower, a short stroll from the Manhattan apartment where he lived with his American fiancée, Caroline.

At first, his family clung to the hope he was alive, until one year later fragments of a shoulder blade bearing Geoff’s DNA were found among Trade Centre rubble at a landfill site.

Matt began asking questions. He has not stopped since. He, and others who will be at the BBC protest, refuse to accept the official story about 9/11: that four U.S. airliners were hijacked by Islamist terror chief Osama Bin Laden’s pilots. Two were flown into New York’s famous Twin Towers, which collapsed.

Doubts continue to be cast on the official explanation for the 9/11 terror attacks in New York (pictured) +5
Doubts continue to be cast on the official explanation for the 9/11 terror attacks in New York (pictured)
A third rammed into the U.S. Defence Headquarters at the Pentagon in Washington DC. The last went down in rural Pennsylvania, 150 miles north of the capital, after a tussle between the hijackers and passengers, later portrayed in the Hollywood film United 93.

Seven hours later, a third tower at the World Trade Centre, WTC7, fell to the ground over seven seconds, even though no plane had hit it.

The red building, 100 yards from the 110-storey Twin Towers, was less than half their height at just 47 floors, and few people even know of its existence. It had already been evacuated after the planes had hit the main towers.

In total, 2,977 people died, provoking President Bush to mount the ‘War On Terror’ that led to the invasion of Iraq, with the UK in tow.

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Yet as Monday’s anniversary approaches, Matt, a former City worker who is married with three children and lives in Sussex, insists that 9/11 did not happen in the way we have been told and that there has been a huge official cover-up to disguise the truth.

‘There are so many questions that the Americans and the British Establishment refuse to answer,’ he says. ‘I believe that my brother and thousands of others were murdered on 9/11 and there has been a cover-up. We, as a family, are still overcoming this tragedy, but we will never stop seeking the truth.’

He is not alone in his quest. A survey in U.S. magazine Live Science last year revealed that most Americans (53 per cent) believe the U.S. Government has concealed — and continues to conceal — vital information about the 9/11 attacks. Crucially, a team of engineers at the University of Alaska concluded this week, after two years of forensic research, that fire could not have caused the collapse of WTC7.

Indeed, though the official story is that WTC7 was weakened by fires caused by debris from the attack, it’s the only steel skyscraper in the world ever to collapse purely as a result of a blaze.

Geoff Campbell (pictured with fiancee Caroline Burbank) was one of 67 Britons killed in the attack. His brother Matt refuses to believe the official 9/11 explanation +5
Geoff Campbell (pictured with fiancee Caroline Burbank) was one of 67 Britons killed in the attack. His brother Matt refuses to believe the official 9/11 explanation

And a new book by an academic who has become an authority on 9/11, Professor David Ray Griffin, says that to believe that this building fell to the ground without explosives being involved is asking the public to believe in ‘miracles’.

Griffin, a retired philosopher at Claremont School of Theology in California, adds in his bestseller Bush And Cheney: How They Ruined America And The World, about the ex-president and his vice-president Dick Cheney: ‘There is a growing consensus that 9/11 allowed the U.S. to adopt extreme, unwarranted policies. They include the War On Terror and the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq as first steps in taking control of the Middle East.’

He, and other 9/11 sceptics such as Matt, have asked if the attack was, in fact, a copy of Operation Northwoods, an aborted plan during John F. Kennedy’s presidency to stage terror attacks in America and blame them on Communist Cuba as a pretext for a U.S. invasion to overthrow dictator Fidel Castro.

In other words, on that September morning in 2001, did the White House fail to stop — or even fabricate — an outrage against its own civilians so as to provide a pretext for war on Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden?

Although there have been countless conspiracy theories about 9/11, the idea that the U.S. Government connived in it still appears utterly implausible and has, of course, been denied by U.S. intelligence services and the White House.

Initially — like most people in America and Britain, including Matt Campbell — Professor Griffin dismissed any notion that the attacks were an inside job aimed at triggering the war on terror.

It was a year later that he changed his mind, when he was writing about American imperialism and 9/11 for his latest academic work.

This week a team of experts said that fire could not have caused the collapse of WTC7 (circled), adding further fuel to conspiracy theories +5
This week a team of experts said that fire could not have caused the collapse of WTC7 (circled), adding further fuel to conspiracy theories
As part of his research he had come across a ‘timeline’ of the day’s events based on newspaper and television accounts. It raised several anomalies that caused him to doubt the official version of events. And, however outlandish it seems, his argument bears consideration.

One of the most puzzling anomalies was that none of the hijacked planes was intercepted by fighter jets, even though there would have been plenty of time to do so and it is mandatory procedure in the U.S. if there is any suspicion of an air hijack.


In the nine months before 9/11, the procedure had been implemented 67 times in America. Then there were the irregular stock market dealings before the tragedy.

An extremely high volume of ‘put options’ — bets on the price of shares falling — were purchased for the stock of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, the international financier that occupied 22 storeys of the World Trade Centre.

Even more remarkable was the volume of ‘put options’ traded on American and United Airlines, which operated the four aircraft hijacked by the terrorists.

On these two airlines, and only these, the level of share trade went up by 1,200 per cent in the three days before the catastrophe. As the shares dropped in response to 9/11 the value of these options multiplied a hundredfold. Someone, somewhere, made $10 million in profit.

But, of all the conundrums, the most perplexing is how the three World Trade Centre towers fell to the ground.

The official version is that the Twin Towers collapsed because their steel columns were melted by the heat from the fuel fires of the two crashed planes.

This explanation has been repeated in White House briefings, official inquiries into 9/11, leaks by the U.S. intelligence services and almost every TV documentary on the attack in the U.S. and the UK.

However, sceptics say the science does not stand up. They argue that steel does not begin to melt until it reaches around 2,800f, and open fires of jet fuel — such as those in the Twin Towers inferno — cannot burn hotter than 1,700f.

Official reports state the steel in the third tower reached a maximum of 1,100f.

Professor Griffin and other sceptics believe the Twin Towers were deliberately blown up. They claim their controversial theory is corroborated by first-hand testimony from firefighters at the scene.

In oral histories of 9/11 by New York Fire Department staff which have been made public, almost a quarter suggest they heard explosions going off before the World Trade Centre towers collapsed. Of the South Tower, firefighter Richard Banaciski said: ‘There was just an explosion. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way round like a belt . . . all those explosions.’


Colleague Kenneth Rogers heard them, too. He said: ‘There was an explosion in the South Tower. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another . . . I figured it was a bomb because it looked like a synchronised kind of thing.

And Fire Captain Dennis Tardio recalled: ‘I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is being imploded from the top floor down, boom, boom, boom. I stand in amazement. I can’t believe what I am seeing. The building is coming down.’

But a more extraordinary challenge to scientific reason would happen on the day of the attacks in respect of the third tower, WTC7, which contained the offices of the secret service, and then mayor Rudy Giuliani’s emergency command centre, fitted with bullet- and bomb-resistant windows as well as secure air and water supplies.

In 2008, a U.S. Government-ordered report by the prestigious National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded a six-year probe into the WTC7 attack.

Bystanders interviewed by U.S. television that day said there were ‘bang, bang, bang’ sounds before it fell down. Yet NIST insisted there was ‘no evidence’ of a controlled explosion.

The fall was provoked by fires on multiple levels. The heating of floor beams and girders had caused a critical support column to fall, initiating the fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.

This week, eminent Alaska University engineers dismissed this explanation. Dr J. Leroy Hulsey, Chair of the university’s Civil and Environmental Engineering Department, said: ‘Fire did not and could not have caused the failure of this building.’

Griffin adds: ‘We are led to believe that for the first time in the known universe, a steel-framed, high-rise building was brought down by fire without the aid of explosives or incendiaries.

‘More clearly miraculous was the precise way in which WTC7 collapsed [straight down, with an almost perfectly horizontal roofline] into its own footprint. This is the kind of free-fall implosion that can only be caused by a world-class demolition company.’

But there is another perplexing matter regarding this third building. It concerns the bizarre TV reports in the U.S., and the rest of the world, that it had collapsed when it was clearly still upright — announcements made 23 minutes before it had actually fallen down.

One piece of BBC World footage shows a studio anchor talking to news correspondent Jane Standley, who is standing in front of the clearly visible WTC7 tower.

The anchor says: ‘The 47-storey building, situated very close to the World Trade Centre, has also just collapsed. It seems that this was not the result of a new attack. It was because the building had been weakened during the morning attacks.’

Then, oddly, the link to Standley breaks up and is lost.

Of course, this may just be a mistake made on one of the most hectic news days ever. Certainly, the BBC seems to think so.

In a statement made in 2007, a spokesman said: ‘In the chaos and confusion, I am sure we said things which turned out to be untrue or inaccurate, but at the time were based on the best information we had. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage, for reasons of c***-up, not conspiracy.’

This response — and the question of why the BBC announced the fall of WTC7 before it actually happened — has enraged those fighting for the ‘truth’, such as Matt Campbell. They say a series of 9/11 documentaries put out by the BBC have not been impartial or scientifically accurate.

It is why he, and other Britons who disagree with the official version of 9/11, have chosen to make their protest outside BBC headquarters on Monday.

This unlikely rebel, a trained theoretical physicist, former IT expert in the City, and now a reflexologist, has refused to pay his BBC licence fee for the past four years.

He claims: ‘The BBC has presented information to the public that breaks its own editorial guidelines. In at least one documentary, it removed the sounds of huge explosions going off in WTC7 moments before its collapse.

‘I think my brother Geoff and many others were murdered in an event that conflicts with what we have been officially told.

‘I believe there has been BBC complicity in a deliberate cover-up about how thousands died on that day nearly 16 years ago,’ he said yesterday as he braced himself for the sad anniversary.

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16 years on, the controlled demolition of the 9/11 official story
https://politicsthisweek.wordpress.com/2017/09/01/bcfms-16th-anniversa ry-911-truth-politics-show-presented-by-tony-gosling/
First hour: 16th anniversary 9/11 news review: with author of '9/11 The New Evidence' Ian Henshall and not Chris Bollyn. Anomalies in 9/11 story – e.g. intact passports found at scene, terrorists known to authorities; Al Qaeda created by Western Intelligence Services; FBI's Osama bin Laden Unit with 80 officers working in it in run-up to 9/11;  Dave Von Kleist – what is conspiracy theory? – no evidence Osama bin Laden did 9/11 therefore a conspiracy theory – 'conspiracy theory' a CIA weaponised term no. 1035-960; what happened on 9/11 – official story has no evidence – building collapse and controlled demolition – building 7 is the smoking gun;  9/11 building did not collapse due to fire What REALLY sent it down? Shock report reveals 9/11 tower DID NOT collapse because of fire A SHOCK new report into the collapse of World Trade Centre Tower 7 is set to fuel the fires of conspiracy as it suggests multiple blazes caused its downfall; Alaska University WTC7 Evaluation report Dr Leyroy Hulsey explains why Saloman brothers building did not collapse due to fire: video of this week's report. William Rodriguez – explosions in basement;  'In Plane Sight' film by The Power Hour host Dave Von Kleist; Chemists Dr Stephen Jones and Niels Harrit found nano-thermite in debris from twin towers – peer reviewed;  anthrax attacks – proved came from a US laboratory;  Jane Standley on the BBC reported Building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it did; role of press and main stream media – intelligence services and track record of false flag terrorism – Gladio; Netanyahu book 'Terrorism: how the west can win'; 9/11 whistleblowers – Coleen Rowley stopped from arresting 911 terrorists - compartmentalisation a secret services tactic - Barry Jennings an official working for Port Authority, Russian General Ivashov, US General Stubblebine - US Military Officers for 9/11 Truth - David Ray Griffin author of  'Bush and Cheney: how they ruined America and the World' – he discusses movements of Dick Cheney on day – Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth;  paper trail – Saudi government behind 9/11 attacks; free fall of buildings – Grenfell Tower – Fire Brigades 9/11 truthers; motives – Operation Northwoods – Dave Von Kleist discusses motives – Military Industrial Complex needing an enemy – asbestos in 9/11 towers – Project for New American Century; 'New Pearl Harbour' David Ray Griffin book – war without end. Radio4All download pages BCfm audio file Radio4All audio file

Second hour: Investigative reports: Did Israelis do 9/11 or is that anti-Semitic? 5 dancing Israelis; Two main motives 1. Military industrial complex need for war 2. Israel's Yinon Plan to Balkanise the Middle East; Huge private Israeli security company ICTS controlled all three airports where hijackers boarded on 9/11 - Israelis get top security contacts as 'experts' in fighting terror but are they also the 'perfect' terrorism perpetrators? Private arms industry, private security role. Ian Henshall believes 9/11 perpetrators most likely Neocon Mafia type network behind attacks? Three power blocks in the world now and difficult for countries to remain independent: West, China and Russia. Official investigators NIST two whistleblowers Peter Ketcham and Kevin Ryan - Questions and additions from 9/11 truthers – how open minds to 9/11? - Bruce Ivens framed by FBI – honest journalists sacked – three main points to convince people.   Hitler said Poland attacked Germany – psychological warfare. Recent arrests of German police and soldiers who were fascists – and cells of British Army far right extremists27th April 2017: German soldier arrested, planned FalseFlag terror attack on Vienna airport so that refugees would take the blame - 28th August 2017: German police raid homes of men ‘plotting to kill left-wing leaders’ - 05 September 2017: Neo-Nazi arrests: Four alleged members of 'National Action' arrested over terrorism, West Midlands Police revealThe Baron Report. Psychological warfare and 9/11 – The Quilliam Foundation fake Muslim 'think-tank'Webster Tarpley – 'How to stop WWIII' 2006 talk – he discusses moles and patsies.  Sorayah Sepaphor-Ulrich – security companies owned by Israeli  firms. Manfred Petritsch editor of 'All Smoke and Mirrors' German language blog – police state attacking civil liberties – world government and world domination.  Wider context of world domination and globalism. Sibel Edmonds – we have been forced to believe in ISIS. Rita Katz, former Mossad, runs SITE website. What can we do? New Firefighters for Truth and Justice film 'Calling Out Bravo 7' -  '9/11: New Evidence' book by Ian Henshall. Please don't trust Facebook. The next big 9/11 style attack. Failure in law enforcement in The West, whose criminal elite demand to be in a law enforcement free zone, a kind of anarcho-capitalism - www.reinvestigate911.org - subscribe to the email list Radio4All download pages BCfm audio file Radio4All audio file Calling OUT Bravo-7 A Short Film by Firefighters (HD version) from Matt Campbell on Vimeo.

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16 years on - false flag excuse for perpetual war - our controlled demolition of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory

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As we commemorate 16 years since the 9/11 Inside Job of Sept. 11, 2001, we honor the memory of 9/11 Truther, Dick Gregory (1932-2017), object to the continued blood for oil wars and other minerals in Afghanistan, Iraq and many other countries, and often experience the loss of civil liberties at the hands of the Transportation Security Agency (TSA) as they perpetrate fascism at home, especially at the airports with their criminal groping of all passengers under the pretext of searching for terrorists, while we protest the attacks on Muslims and immigrants, who are being attacked by the government under the pretext of a phony war on terror, all since the 9/11 Inside Job.
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/09/09/18802772.php#18802837

On October 7, 2001, the United States illegally invaded Afghanistan, a mineral rich country and in the path of a possible Caspian Sea oil pipeline, under the pretext of going after the pre-arranged long-time CIA operative, Osama bin Laden, who the American public were told somehow master-minded the 9/11 Inside Job, while sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, while hooked up to a kidney dialysis machine. Bin Laden died in December 2001 of kidney failure and Marfan’s syndrome. See the websites below for more information on Osama bin Laden. For information on Afghanistan’s mineral wealth, see: “The War is Worth Waging: Afghanistan’s Vast Reserves of Minerals and Natural Gas” by Michel Chossudovsky, 8/22/17 at
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vas t-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

On October 8, 2001, the Gestapo-named Homeland Security Department was created to supposedly fight terrorism, but in reality, it perpetrates fascism at home with its agency, the Transportation Security Agency (TSA) at airports treating all passengers as criminals and illegally groping people, and its war on immigrants with its then newly named Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency incorporated into the Homeland Security Department.

On October 26, 2001, the falsely named 363-page Patriot Act became law, approved by the entire Congress who did not bother to read this obviously pre-9/11/01 prepared very long bill, which gutted the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. For more details, see: “Debunking the Patriot Act as It Turns 15” by Kate Tummarello, 10/26/16 at https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/10/debunking-patriot-act-it-turns-1 5

In January 2002, the United States military opened an illegal concentration camp at its military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to which 779 men and boys (some were children under age 1Cool were illegally sent after having been kidnapped or bought for ransom, tortured, held without charges or trial for years. Some 41 remain. The largest national groups were Afghans, Saudi Arabians, Yemenis, Pakistanis and Algerians, all from predominately Muslim countries. We heard stories of suicides, hunger strikes, painful forced feeding perpetrated by the United States military at Guantanamo, which name became synonymous with fascism. The 9/11 Inside Job was a pretext for a War on Muslims in particular and immigrants in general, all accused somehow of promoting terrorism, although no explanation has ever been given. In other words, they were all scapegoated, and this scapegoating continues to this day by Democrats and Republicans.

The 9/11 Inside Job was an American Reichstag Fire, perpetrated for the same reason the Nazis burned their own government building, the Reichstag, in 1933: to promote war abroad and fascism at home. A good summary of the 9/11 False Flag operation may be found at: “September 11, 2001: Questions to Ask if You Still Believe the Official Narrative” by Tony Cartalucci, 9/11/17 at
https://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-questions-to-ask-if-yo u-still-believe-the-official-narrative/5608520

The greatest profits are in munitions and oil, the only reason the military exists, and the twin parties of war and fascism, the Democrat-Republicans, are primarily concerned with maximizing profits, the primary goal of the bankrupt social order in which we live, capitalism, and which they represent.

Only the socialist Peace & Freedom Party and the Green Party have anything to offer the workingclass and can save Planet Earth.

The official account of the 9/11 Inside Job is a conspiracy theory by definition and is anti-science. For those of you under age 26 who may not have heard it all in many forms, please make an effort to watch the DVDs and read as many of the websites and books as you can listed at the end of this article describing the many obvious lies of the government’s conspiracy theory.

The 9/11 Inside Job was the American Reichstag Fire to promote war and fascism to maximize the profits of the capitalist class, the same reason for the Nazis’ Reichstag Fire. NO AIR DEFENSE means it was an inside job, and if you need more, CONTROLLED DEMOLITION of the Twin Towers and Building 7, which Building 7 was not hit by a plane, are further evidence of an inside job, all perpetrated by the US military with the planes under remote control guided by the military; THERE WERE NO HIJACKERS on those planes and 9 OF THE SO-CALLED HIJAKCERS WERE ALIVE ON 9/12/01. One demolition substance usedwas nanothermite, only used by the military. In the dust of the World trade Center Towers was found thermite, a military incendiary substance, which as we now know from Chris Bollyn’s book listed below, was created by SCP Partners, a Mossad-run private equity company concerned with “security,” which had in its portfolio a company called Megallurg Holdings, Inc. capable of producing and applying an advanced form of super-thermite. This company was run by former Israel Prime Minister and Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Israel is part of the American military machine and so it is no surprise that Barak was involved in the 9/11 Inside Job. Bombs were exploding in the many basements of the buildings that were demolished. The buildings were shut down many times before 9/11/01, including the weekend before, clearly to plant the bombs and demolition explosives. The entire World Trade Center was run by a security outfit led by Marvin Bush, a brother of the then president, and Wirt Walker, III, a cousin of same. The Pentagon was hit by construction explosives on the side that was under construction that housed bookkeepers about to reveal the till-tapping, as well as by either a small military plane or a military missile. The hole in the ground in Pennsylvania had no bodies, said the coroner; the plane that supposedly crashed there landed at the Cleveland airport. The CIA doubles were incompetent pilots and drunken womanizers, clearly not religious, and obviously not capable of the extraordinary maneuver over the Pentagon or flying huge heavy planes, which planes were at least half empty, and thus their flights would normally have been cancelled as being not profitable. There is much more evidence that 9/11 was an Inside Job, all perpetrated by the US ruling class and carried out by the US military under the direction of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice and Giuliani.

We must always ask WHO BENEFITS? Only the US capitalist class had the MOTIVE, MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY to carry out this heinous crime, killing some 3,000 people instantly, and only the US capitalist class benefited from the 9/11 Inside Job. The government’s anti-science conspiracy theory must be rejected as we reject Nazi Germany’s lies about who perpetrated the Reichstag Fire. With the Communist bogeyman gone as of the 1991 demise of the Soviet Union, the ruling class had to come up with a new excuse for their profitable war machine. They spent 10 years perfecting drone planes and imported their puppet Israel’s scapegoating of Muslims, all with the help of Israelis (See below: Solving 9/11 by Christopher Bollyn (2012) Laughing Israelis at World Trade Center on 9/11/01 identified themselves on TV, and much more on Israel’s complicity in the 9/11 Inside Job and http://www.bollyn.com). ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE FOR PEACE MUST USE THE TERM 9/11 INSIDE JOB and stop repeating the government’s anti-science conspiracy theories as they are all pro-capitalist war propaganda.

The official account of the events of September 11, 2001, has been used:
• to justify the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which have resulted in the deaths of over a million people;
• to authorize torture, military tribunals, and extraordinary rendition; and
• to suspend freedoms guaranteed by the American Constitution such as habeas corpus in the USA, and similar freedoms in Canada, the UK, and other countries.
From: http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/

Your homework on the 9/11 Inside Job follows:
DVD that is a Must See at http://loosechange911.com/
Youtube Movies: 9/11 In a Nutshell, by James Corbett: 5 minutes says it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs_quLjUHwM

10 Disturbing 9/11 Facts: 6 minutes at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnht6NCDtJI

9/11 Suspects: The Dancing Israelis, The Corbett Report: 17 minutes at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHm56O2NTI
Correction on speculation that the Laughing Israelis were a distraction: The Zionists knew they had absolute immunity from prosecution in their complicity in perpetrating the 9/11 Inside Job and view themselves as a master race, “the chosen people,” which we see daily now in Israel. This is further proof that all nationalism is reactionary and religion is both superstition and reactionary.

911 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani, The Corbett Report: 11 minutes at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl85JSvDmsA&index=1&list=PLN6xa7kD9dZ9 gFFM6v6EloLGmQZFyeGqm

CIA Agent Confesses On Deathbed: ‘We Blew Up WTC7 On 9 11’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmx-DiWUqfs

PBS Documentary 9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out Final Edition, 60min (Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I

http://www.heartson.com/Politics/advanced_knowledge.html#warning
came from Condoleeza Rice
(Republican Rice was Secretary of State; Democrat Willie Brown was San Francisco’s mayor.)
“The warning to San Francisco's mayor not to fly to NY eight 8 hours before the September 11th attack came from Condoleeza Rice. [Pacifica Radio, Friday, May 17, 2002]”

http://noliesradio.org/filmfestival 2017 Film Festival lived streamed on 9/11/17 from 3 p.m. to 10 p.m. at the Grand Lake Theater, 3200 Grand Lake Avenue, Oakland, CA. It will be archived for 14 days thereafter. This year’s film festival will discuss why, 16 years later, 9/11 Truth still matters. Feature Speaker: William Pepper, an attorney best known for his expose of the truth as to who killed Martin Luther King, Jr., and is now working on a legal strategy for 9/11 Truth. Also speaking are Radio Host Kevin Barrett, Prof. Tony Hall and Mickey Huff of Project Censored. Lots of films and film clips on the 9/11 Inside Job will be shown.

http://noliesradio.org/
http://noliesradio.org/archives/category/archived-shows

http://sf911truth.org/ (with more information on the 9/11/17 9/11 Film Festival)

http://rethink911.org/
https://rethinkseptember11.wordpress.com/ (Global Interactive Broadcast)

http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/ (Constantly updated)

http://911expertsspeakout.com/
http://911expertsspeakout.org/
http://911blueprintfortruth.org/

http://www.ae911truth.org/ (architects & engineers)
http://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf scientific article: “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe”
by Niels H. Harris, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen.
See also:

Truthseeker: 9/11 Was Inside Job Story, 9/9/13 report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ugCIjzHptA

http://www.bollyn.com
http://iamthefaceoftruth.com/
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html

http://fightingforgod.com/ (Gold, Oil, Drugs)

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files (The 9/11 Files)

http://www.gunsandbutter.org/

http://www.projectcensored.org/
http://projectcensored.org/radio/

http://stephenlendman.org/?s=9%2F11
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/08/03/18740935.php
*Steve Lendman: Fake Washington Terror Plot, 8/4/13: BBC, Fox & Pakistan Observer reported Bin Laden’s death in December 2001; August 2013 closing of embassies is staged.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096 article entitled “Video: BBC Was Half An Hour Too Early Reporting On WTC7 Collapse”

http://www.falseflag.news/

http://boston911truth.org/
http://www.vancouver911truth.org/
http://www.dc911truth.org/ (Washington DC)

Military incinerated remains of 9/11 victims of this military operation, 2/28/12 AP report, “Partial remains of 9/11 victims went to landfill”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2t9PK-Kato

http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/911-truth-15-years-later-jenna-orkin-on-e pa-lies-and-the-legacy-of-911-investigator-michael-ruppert/5548047 9/27/16:Jenna Orkin report on poisons at World Trade Center controlled demolition of 9/11/01 including dust and debris containing dangerous quantities of not only asbestos, but lead, mercury, cadmium, toxic organic compounds such as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), glass fibers, pulverized concrete, and caustic particles so alkaline they had pH levels near that of liquid drain cleaner.: “Over 1,000 people have died from illnesses tied to exposure to debris. That number is expected within five years to exceed the number who were killed on the day of the attacks.” Jenna Orkin, a resident of New York City, co-founded World Trade Center Environmental Organization. See http://wtceo.org/ wherein it states: “The towers also contained approximately 50,000 computers each made with approximately four pounds of lead and this does not take into account the five other buildings that were destroyed. The tens of thousands of fluorescent light bulbs each contained 41 mg mercury. “
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-unspoken-truth-on-911-september-11-th e-new-pearl-harbor/5354760 and some 5 hours total DVDs at
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarti cle&artid=167
http://grtv.ca/themes/9/11-war-terrorism (9/11 videos)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-unanswered-questions-of-911/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-911-reader-the-september-11-2001-terr or-attacks/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-third-wtc-building-which-collapsed-on -911-was-not-hit-by-a-plane/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=9%2F11+Truth+Movement
http://www.globalresearch.ca/theme/9-11-war-on-terrorism
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24721
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21436
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21907
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601 (Griffin: Bin Laden died Dec 2001)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24622 (Dr. Pieczenik: Bin Laden died Dec 2001 of marfan syndrome, genetic disease that shortens life span.)

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-06/michael-ruppert-proof-obama-lyin g-about-killing-bin-laden (DNA sample not possible in time frame given.)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25898
(Roberts, 8/4/11: The Mysterious Death of OBL: Creating Evidence Where There Is None)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-was-an-ame rican-hoax/5350261
(Roberts: 9/17/13: The Killing of Osama bin Laden was an “American Hoax”)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25923
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26897
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24625 (In 48 hours, bin Laden “death” story changed for pending presidential election)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30654 (“Who Was Osama? Who Is Obama? By Michel Chossudovsky)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30671 (One Year On, Still No Evidence For Osama Bin Laden's Killing by Brit Dee)
https://store.globalresearch.ca/store/the-toronto-hearings-on-911-unco vering-ten-years-of-deception/ (2011 Toronto Hearings on 9/11 Truth)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/duty-to-warn-911-and-cognitive-dissonance  /5347923
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wtc-1-and-2-justice-and-9-11-demands-acco untability-forensic-evidence-indicates-presence-of-controlled-demoliti on-material/20979 “WTC 1 and 2: Justice and 9/11 Demands Accountability. Forensic Evidence Indicates Presence of Controlled Demolition Material” by Dick Gregory, 9/10/10.

http://rememberbuilding7.org/

http://www.communitycurrency.org/home
http://www.communitycurrency.org/MainIndexMX.html

http://www.ic911studies.org/

http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/war-games-911-exercise s-offer-too-many-coincidences/
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/giuliani-knew-twin-tow ers-would-collapse-firefighters-not-warned/
https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/clinton-prosecutor-to ld-by-fbi-about-details-of-911-attacks-months-in-advance/
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/pure-fiction-bigelow%e 2%80%99s-new-bin-laden-film-will-reinforce-911-myth/#more-667
(Fiction Film on Bin Laden “death” appearing 1 month before 2012 presidential election-further proof that it was a campaign publicity stunt to boost a failed presidency.)

http://uwaterloo911.wordpress.com/
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/text-of-the-april-gallop-la wsuit/

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.us/index.html
http://911speakout.org/ (physics tutorial)
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.911truth.org/911-truth-statement/ (has excellent investigative questions)
http://stj911.org/blog/ (Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice)
http://wtc7.net/
http://lawyersfor911truth.blogspot.com/
http://911summary.com/legal.php
http://mp911truth.org/ Medical Professionals
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
http://www.ThePentacon.com
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/911-facts.html


READ ALL OF THE FOLLOWING BOOKS:
1. Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert
2. 9/11 Facing Our Fascist State by Don Paul (Excellent research all done in 2001-2002; obviously an Inside Job from the beginning. The evidence is in this book.)
3. Waking Up From Our Nightmare by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman (Good color photos & research)
4. Solving 911 by Christopher Bollyn (2012) (Laughing Israelis at World Trade Center on 9/11/01 identified themselves on TV, and much more on Israel’s complicity in the 911 Inside Job which should surprise no one since Israel, a US military base since its inception in 1948, is and always has been part of the US military-agent provocateur-spy system of US imperialism. EHUD OLMERT, mayor of Jerusalem in 2001, from a terrorist Irgun family, visited New York City on 9/10/11. While all civilian flights were grounded immediately after the 9/11/01 Inside Job and for at least a week thereafter, a full El Al Boeing 747 left New York City’s JFK airport for Israel with authorization from the US Department of Defense, and US military officials were at the JFK airport to make sure this flight was cleared for take-off. Florida, the alleged base of the non-existent “Arab hijackers” was and is a base for Israeli Mossad operations as is the rest of the USA. EHUD BARAK, who has degrees in physics and mathematics, attended Stanford University, was Israel’s Defense Minister during the Massacre of Gaza of 2008-2009, making him a war criminal according to the Goldstone Report, and was Prime Minister of Israel from July 1999 to March 2001, after which he came to the US to work as a partner in SCP Partners, a Mossad-run private equity company concerned with “security,” which had in its portfolio a company called Megallurg Holdings, Inc. capable of producing and applying an advanced form of super-thermite, a powerful explosive, which was found in the dust of the Twin Towers. On 9/11/01, he stated on BBC TV that the world faces a War on Terror and called for an invasion of Afghanistan, clearly the cover for the 911 Inside Job.)
5. Cognitive Infiltration by David Griffin (2010) (The title is an insidious phrase promoted by an appointee of Democrat Barack Obama, Cass Sunstein, a lawyer, (husband of Samantha Power, current US ambassador to UN), promoting an illegal activity, joining and disrupting 9/11 Truth Movement organizations instead of open debate, providing evidence for the government’s conspiracy theory, which does not exist. Sunstein-Obama are openly promoting fascism. On Democrat Sunstein: He was appointed to oversee the National Security Agency in 2013, is a defender of military commissions and endorsed warrantless wiretapping. This book does reiterate all the evidence for the 9/11 Truth Movement in 156 pages plus 477 footnotes.)
6. The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7 by David Griffin (2009)
7. Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive? by David Griffin (2009) (Bin laden died in Dec 2001). See also http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15601
8. New Pearl Harbor Revisited by David Griffin (2008)
9. The Hidden History of 9/11, ed by Paul Zarembka (2008), articles by David Griffin, Jay Kolar, Zarembka, Don Trent Jacobs, Nafez Ahmed, David MacGregor, Bryan Sacks, Diana Ralph, with Appendix by Bertrand Russell: 16 Questions on the JFK Assassination (teaches how to investigate a crime)
10. The 9/11 Conspiracy, edited James Fetzer (2007), articles by John Austin, David Griffin, James Fetzer, Jack White, Judy Wood, Joseph Firmage, Morgan Reynolds, Rick Rajter, Elias Davidsson, Peter Dale Scott, John McMurty plus excellent photos
11. 9/11 Contradictions by David Griffin (2008)
12. The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions & Distortions by David Griffin
13. The New Pearl Harbor by David Griffin
14. Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Griffin
15. Painful Questions by Eric Hufschmid
16. The Iron Triangle (on the Carlyle Group) by Dan Briody
17. 9/11 Revealed: The Unanswered Questions by Rowland Morgan & Ian Henshall
18. 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA by Webster Tarpley
19. Body of Secrets by James Bamford (Good on Operation Northwoods)
20. The War on Truth by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed
21. Towers of Deception by Barrie Zwicker (with DVD enclosed)
22. 9/11 and American Empire edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott
23. Flight 93 Revealed by Ian Henshall and Rowland Morgan
24. The Terror Timeline by Paul Thompson
25. Welcome to Terrorland: Mohammed Atta & the 9/11 Coverup in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker
26. The Big Wedding: 9/11, The Whistleblowers and The Coverup by Sander Hicks
27. The Terror Conspiracy by Jim Marrs
28. Inside Job by Jim Marrs
29. Forbidden Truth by Jean-Charles Brisard & Guillaume Dasquie
30. Pentagate by Thierry Meyssan
31. 9/11: The Big Lie by Thierry Meyssan

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