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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Monbiot after years of good work
has joined the sneering elite.


No.

Monbiot has not switched sides.

The great thing is, these shills, sleepers, traitors in our midst are FORCED to come out in support of the government on 911, no matter what ingratiating (to the 'left' usually) claptrap they have previously espoused.

It's an ill wind...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the publication of George Monbiot's article in Tuesday's edition of The Guardian, there have been 1000+ responses posted on the Guardian comments page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006831,00.html

Those representing the 9/11 Truth Community have maintained an appropriate level of decorum against much provocation! Many apparently neutral contributors have commented at the difference between civil approach adopted by the Truthers, versus the persistent vitriol and ad hominem attacks dished out by defenders of the OCT. Thanks to Dr. Hemp, Justin, Spiv, Alkmyst, Numeral, Mark Gobell, Ian Henshall and a host of others, for your efforts in presenting the case for 9/11 Truth with such educated & informed aplomb.

I think I'm going to call it a day now, so the following will probably be my last post on this particular Guardian thread:
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Greg Norton:
"And my wager still stands -- 100/1 in your favour, I say no concrete proof of this so-called conspiracy will emerge in the next 20 years. Not a jot."

Rather unfair odds ... against yourself! A discerning review of the posts on this thread, assuming a modicum of objevtivity, would reveal that the evidence is already in plain site ... for those that have the eyes to see!

To ignore the plethora of evidence negating the OCT might be described by some as a symptom of severe cognitive dissonance. However, I would be more charitable and simply acknowledge that those maintaining an existential commitment to the OCT are products of an education system, intent on shutting down the development of independent thought.

The exponential growth of the 9/11 Truth Campaign and even the publication of George Monbiot's essay in the mainstream media, are indicators that this issue is taking a very real hold in the wider consciousness.

How long can the National Media continue to ignore the growing interest in William Rodriguez' UK tour? Local Radio Stations(incl. BBC), local & regional newspapers are clamouring for interviews with him. If there were truly a 'free' press in the UK, it would be reasonable to assume that Rodriguez' presence and his message would at least be reported upon; regardless of the implications and/or potential ramifications.

It is not a case of 'if' the falsehoods of 9/11 become accepted wisdom, it is 'when' ... and that might just be sooner than you think!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes perhaps George did have a Devil's Advocate agenda in getting such a badly researched and poorly presented article such as might get under the editorial censor
Though his articles mostly back up the Rockefeller agenda they are usually well researched and introduce titbits of knowledge not too well known
He usually reserves his vitriol for the powerful
And he's jerked innumerable fans of his to look at Loose Change as well as riling a considerable percentage of the Guardian readership
Well done George, conscious or not

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
Comment near to the bottom of the page. This person sides with the movement but remains quite objective and balanced:

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ps: Having followed some of what Moby's written over the past few years, I'd like to think this hit piece is actually a cunningly subversive attempt to stimulate debate without committing professional suicide by (gasp!) admitting that there may be some very startling realities swilling around at the bottom of the Truth Movement's big barrel of wild claims.

What did it for me was the last para - Moby's claim that the 'only possible explanation' for why the US Government doesn't go around capping everyone who accuses them of complicity is that these claims are pure fantasy: which is the sort of facile nonsense that I wouldn't expect him to be capable of. Ergo, he's having us all on. And it's worked, too. Sort of. Smart chap, eh?


My heart sank at the publication of Monbiot's article. Keith Mothersson and I had met him at the G8 alternative summit gathering near Gleneagles in July 2005 and chatted briefly with him about 9/11. At that time he seemed open-minded about the topic, so I felt surprise and disappointment at the content of his article.

But the public response to it has been heartwarming. I have written to thank Elias Davidsson for his excellent letter in the Guardian. I think George Monbiot has done us a favour, whether intentionally: I wouldn't like to speculate.

I agree with Snowy Grouch's:

"Dont be too hard on Mobiot; I suspect he's been fed some 'rotten fish' if you know what I mean."

Yes, I am sure there is a dirty tricks programme being carried out against this campaign. Various of our opponents have claimed they have been sent abusive e-mails and even death threats from us. The powers of darkness may well be sending them death threats purporting to come from us, in order to set them up against us.

Also we know that some of our staunch supporters are capable of saying and writing counterproductive things: anti-semitic, Islamophobic, fascistic etc. I have just been shown a nasty angry letter someone has sent to George Monbiot, which in my view will be counterproductive. But in a loose network such as ours it is inevitable that some people will write ill-judged things.

Despite that, we are making steady progress and correspondence in the Guardian is a break-through.

Well done all who have contributed to achieving this.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Monbiot Thread Reply with quote

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What is necessary to awaken a sleeping man? A good shock is necessary. But when a man is fast asleep one shock is not enough. A long period of continual shocks is needed. Consequently, there must be somebody to administer these shocks.

There is also the possibility of being awakened by an alarm clock. But the trouble is that one gets accustomed to the alarm clock far too quickly, he ceases to hear it. Many alarm clocks are necessary and always new ones. Otherwise a man must surround himself with alarm clocks to prevent him sleeping. But here there are certain difficulties. Alarm clocks must be wound up, in order to wind them up one must remember about them; in order to remember one must wake up often. But what is still worse, a man gets used to all alarm clocks and after a certain time he actually sleeps better because of them.

Therefore alarm clocks must be constantly changed, new ones must be continually invented. In the course of time this may help a man to awaken. But there is very little chance of a man doing all the winding up, inventing, and changing clocks all by himself, without outside help.

Therefore, in order to awaken, a combination of effort is required. To obtain results a certain number of people must work together.

One man alone can do nothing.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Monbiot now as much as talking about voting for his father's Tory party?!?!
Has he done a Nick Cohen?



http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2008/05/20/nothing-left-to-fight-for/
Nothing Left to Fight For
The most rightwing government Britain has had since the Second World War does not deserve to be re-elected.
By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 20th May 2008.
You can hear the wringing of hands and tearing of cloth all the way down Farringdon Road. Dismayed by the results of the local elections, convinced that Labour will be crushed in the byelection on Thursday, afraid that this will presage disaster in the next general election, my fellow columnists are predicting the end of the civilised world. But I can’t understand why we should care.
Yes, I worry about what the Tories might do when they get in. I also worry about what Labour might do if it wins another term. Why should anyone on the left seek the re-election of the most rightwing government Britain has had since the second world war?
New Labour’s apologists keep reminding us of the redistributive policies it has introduced: Sure Start children’s centres, reductions in child poverty, raising the school leaving age, the national minimum wage, flexible hours for parents and carers, better conditions for part-time workers, the Decent Homes programme, free museums, more foreign aid. All these are real achievements and deserve to be celebrated. But the catalogue of failures, backsliding and outright destruction is much longer and more consequential.
One fact alone should disqualify this government from office: we have a cabinet of war criminals. The Nuremberg Tribunal characterised a war of aggression as “the supreme international crime.” It is not just that Britain’s Labour government launched and has sustained an unprovoked war, it also sabotaged all means of achieving a peaceful resolution. In April 2002 it helped the Bush administration to sack Jose Bustani, the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, in order to prevent him from settling the dispute over Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction. In two separate offers before the invasion began, Saddam Hussein agreed to meet the terms the US and Britain were demanding. But they slapped him down and concealed his offers from their electorates..................

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In two separate offers before the invasion began, Saddam Hussein agreed to meet the terms the US and Britain were demanding. But they slapped him down and concealed his offers from their electorates


Can this be verified? Sounds like political dynamite to me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well there was this:

"Saddam Offered Exile, But Neo–Cons Unleashed Carnage Anyway"

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/jackmorgan/entry/saddam_offered_exile/
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scienceplease wrote:
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In two separate offers before the invasion began, Saddam Hussein agreed to meet the terms the US and Britain were demanding. But they slapped him down and concealed his offers from their electorates


Can this be verified? Sounds like political dynamite to me.


Sept 16 2002

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/16/iraq.un.letter/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2262666.stm
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22september+16+2002%22+iraq+%2 2weapons+inspections%22&meta=

Nov 13 2002

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22november+13+2002%22+iraq+%22 weapons+inspections%22&meta=
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2465463.stm

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George Monbiot sure is an interesting guy - in some ways unfathomable - what he is doing here is truly brilliant!

So good the censors removed it from Bristol Indymedia website
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/688386

George Monbiot plans to arrest John Bolton
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/05/399562.html

The arrest is happening at about 7.30 after Bolton's talk here at CafeDirect Cafe, The Drill Hall, 25 Lion Street, Hay-on-Wye, HR3 5AD
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=HR3+5AD

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i think this is a PR stunt.
Nobody is the least bit interested in buying Bolton's book anyway. Monboit is working for a pro war pro Labour spinsheet so it is Brown and Blair and others close to home he should be aiming for.
I bet Monboit does not show up but some anti war people might which might help to publicise the book.
Monboit is probably doing John Bolton a favour.

You can guess i am not nor ever have been a Monboit fan.

Anyway George Bush is coming to London very soon he is the real one to arrest and send to the Hague.

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karlos wrote:
Anyway George Bush is coming to London very soon he is the real one to arrest and send to the Hague.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More interesting material on George Monbiot - fascinating

Climategate: George Monbiot, the Guardian and Big Oil
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100019523/climategat e-george-monbiot-is-in-the-pay-of-big-oil/
.....The other day, following our debate, Monbiot gloated that debating me was like “shooting rats in a bucket.” Is that so? Well I’d say that trying to argue with someone who plays as fast and loose with the truth as George Monbiot is like trying to wrestle an electric eel smeared with KY jelly.

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'Useful idiots who undermine dissent on Syria':
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2017-07-03/useful-idiots-who-undermi ne-dissent-on-syria/

'....A good example of this kind of wilful misrepresentation is by Brian Whitaker, the Guardian’s former Middle East editor. In a recent blog post, he has accused me and Media Lens, among others, of being “loyal supporters of Hersh” – and by insinuation, of Syrian leader Bashar Assad – of being “sarin denialists”, and of demonstrating blatant hypocrisy in approving Hersh’s use of anonymous sources when we oppose reliance on such sources by other journalists.

Before I address these criticisms, let’s briefly recap on what Hersh’s investigation found.

His sources in the US intelligence establishment have countered an official narrative – spread by western governments and the corporate media – that assumes Assad was behind a chemical weapons attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun on April 4. Hersh’s account suggests that Syria used a conventional bomb to hit a jihadist meeting in the town, triggering secondary explosions in a storage depot containing pesticides, fertilisers and chlorine-based decontaminants. A toxic cloud was created that caused symptoms similar to sarin for those nearby.

Trump was so convinced that Assad had used sarin in Khan Sheikhoun that he violated international law and fired 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase as punishment, even though, according to Hersh, his own intelligence community disputed that this is what had happened. Given that Vladimir Putin is closely allied with Assad, the move had the potential to drag Russia into a dangerous confrontation with the US.

Loyal only to fair debate
So let me address Whitaker’s allegations.

1. Neither I nor Media Lens are “loyal supporters” of Hersh – or Assad. Whitaker is projecting. He has chosen a side in Syria – that of what he simplistically terms the “rebels”, now dominated by Al-Qaeda affiliates and ISIS, backed by an unholy alliance of Saudi Arabia, the US, Europe, Israel and Turkey. But not everyone who opposes the Islamic extremists, or Whitaker’s group of western interventionists, has therefore chosen Assad’s side.

One can choose the side of international law and respect for the sovereignty of nation-states, and object to states fomenting proxy wars to destabilise and destroy other regimes.

More than that, one can choose to maintain a critical distance and, based on experience, remain extremely wary of official and self-serving narratives promoted by the world’s most powerful states. Some of us think there are lessons to be learnt from the lies we were told about WMD in Iraq, or a supposedly imminent massacre by Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi in Benghazi.

These examples of deception should be remembered when we try to assess how probable is the story that Assad wanted to invite yet more destructive interference in his country from foreign powers by gassing his own people – and to no obvious strategic or military advantage. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me three times, I should just admit I am a gullible fool.

I and Media Lens (if I may presume to speak on their behalf as a longtime follower) are not arguing that Hersh’s account must be right. Just that it deserves attention, and that it should be part of the media / public discourse. What concerns us is the inadmissibility of relevant information to the public realm, and concerted efforts to stifle debate. Manufactured groupthink, it has been repeatedly shown, works to the benefit of the powerful, those promoting the destructive interests of a now-global military-industrial complex......'

'....Like Whitaker, George Monbiot, also of the Guardian, has been policing debates about Syria in an attempt to intimidate and silence anyone who questions the official narrative.

Today, on Twitter, he accused me, Media Lens and Prof Ted Postol of “whitewashing mass murder”. Why? Presumably in my case, because I have tried to publicise credible alternative narratives, like the one above, that have been blacked out by the corporate media, and because, in keeping with my views on Herman and Chomsky’s Propaganda Model, I have highlighted Syria as a prominent test case of whether the corporate media is willing to give a platform to such counter-narratives.....'

The whole article is well worth reading.

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Shilling for Israel again
and here for the EU
Lake District becoming UNESCO world heritage site DESPITE George Monbiot's best efforts

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Whole load of info about George Monbiot and his father Raymond who remains a top figure in the Tory party establishment


Who is George Monbiot ?
http://monbiot.scrapthetrade.com/history.xhtml

Personal history

This page is to establish that Monbiot comes from an extremely privilged background and is a member of an extreme right wing, Conservative Party family at the very heart of the British establishment. That is why he has a public profile as a Guardian journalist . The old school tie. Fighting the class war from the top down, not the bottom up. There is no personal animosity in the following, just an attempt to understand the source of Monbiot's extremely negative world view.


Like many of the leaders of the Green movement, Monbiot is descended from aristocracy.

His own ancestors lost their land over 200 years ago. Descended from the French Ducs de Coutard, they fled their estates outside Tours in the Loire Valley in 1789, when the local peasants, stirred by news of Revolution in Paris, began redistributing fields and occupying chateaux. The family slipped across to England and changed their name from Beaumont to Monbiot to evade revolutionary spies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/occupying-the-moral-hi gh-ground-1346850.html


Conservative Party family
Raymond Monbiot, George's father, is a businessman and heads the Conservative Party's trade and industry forum. He was Michael Heseltine's constituency chairman until they fell out over his leadership challenge to Margaret Thatcher. Rosalie Monbiot, George's mother, Tory leader of South Oxford district council for nine years, now serves on various local quangos and committees.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/enter-the-cleanshaven-adventur er-hero-1618791.html

Monbiot attended Stowe Public School
Annual full boarding fees: £29,895
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Good at work, bad at sport, with heterodox opinions and a crippling stammer, I would have been bullied at any school, but at boarding school the bullying was remorseless and inescapable. Sometimes it lasted through much of the night. To have “sneaked” would only have made it worse, so from the age of eight I was thrown upon my own puny resources. It is hard to believe that the teachers didn’t know what was happening: perhaps they thought it was “character building”.

Less visible, but just as prevalent, was sexual abuse: new boys were routinely groped and occasionally sodomised by the prefects. Sexual assault was and possibly still is a feature of prep school life as innate as fried bread and British bulldogs.

http://www.monbiot.com/1998/03/26/acceptable-cruelty/


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I had an unhappy time at university, and I now regret having gone to Oxford, even though the zoology course I took was excellent. The culture did not suit me, and when I tried to join in I fell flat on my face, sometimes in a drunken stupor.

http://www.monbiot.com/about/



On May morning, I was distressed to see that the police had erected metal barriers along the parapet of Magdalen Bridge. Since time immemorial, Oxford students have demonstrated the principles of natural selection by jumping off the bridge and impaling themselves on old shopping trolleys. Now that this tradition has been brought to an end, it surely behoves the police to find some other means by which Nature might be permitted to run her course.
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The father of George Monbiot, Britain's leading anti-globalisation campaigner, is Sir Raymond Monbiot CBE, the deputy chairman of the Conservative party and an executive who made the family's fortune working for Campbell's global canned-soup empire

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2006/jan/08/greenpolitics.conservat ives


Raymond Monbiot, former vice chair of the Conservative Party was behind rule changes to exclude members from voting for the leader

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4220346.stm



In the final days of IDS, Peter Oborne pointed out Ray has wider responsibilities than drawing up reform plans:

'It should be borne in mind that Monbiot is one of the men in grey suits whose heavy duty might be to hand the party leader a bottle of whisky and a revolver in certain circumstances.'

http://daviddavisleader.blogspot.co.uk/2005_05_01_daviddavisleader_arc hive.html


George Monbiot speaking at the Conservative party conference 2006 while his father was deputy leader:video

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Sir Crispin (Tickell) was President of the Royal Geographical Society from 1990 to 1993 and Warden of Green College, Oxford between 1990 and 1997, where he appointed George Monbiot and Norman Myers as Visiting Fellows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Tickell


Sir Crispin Tickell, member of the eugenics Huxley clan.

He is also a patron of population concern charity Population Matters, (formerly known as the Optimum Population Trust), and told Radio 4's Today programme that the ideal population for Britain could be around 20 million. As a member of Lord Rogers' Urban Task Force, Tickell counselled against spreading cities saying that we need denser living, that young adults should not expect to leave home straight away, and that older relatives could live in 'granny flats'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Tickell#Public_Impact


“This book is rightly attracting attention, and raises issues that have long been neglected or deliberately buried … It should make people think; and as the author well says, if we do not like his ideas, then think of better ones. He believes that leaving things as they are is not a serious option. He makes his case.” Sir Crispin Tickell, Financial Times

http://www.monbiot.com/books/the-age-of-consent/


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Environmentalism is fascism
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Ecofascism Revisited
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whole load of info about George Monbiot and his father Raymond who remains a top figure in the Tory party establishment


Who is George Monbiot ?
http://monbiot.scrapthetrade.com/history.xhtml

Personal history

This page is to establish that Monbiot comes from an extremely privilged background and is a member of an extreme right wing, Conservative Party family at the very heart of the British establishment. That is why he has a public profile as a Guardian journalist . The old school tie. Fighting the class war from the top down, not the bottom up. There is no personal animosity in the following, just an attempt to understand the source of Monbiot's extremely negative world view.


Like many of the leaders of the Green movement, Monbiot is descended from aristocracy.

His own ancestors lost their land over 200 years ago. Descended from the French Ducs de Coutard, they fled their estates outside Tours in the Loire Valley in 1789, when the local peasants, stirred by news of Revolution in Paris, began redistributing fields and occupying chateaux. The family slipped across to England and changed their name from Beaumont to Monbiot to evade revolutionary spies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/occupying-the-moral-hi gh-ground-1346850.html


Conservative Party family
Raymond Monbiot, George's father, is a businessman and heads the Conservative Party's trade and industry forum. He was Michael Heseltine's constituency chairman until they fell out over his leadership challenge to Margaret Thatcher. Rosalie Monbiot, George's mother, Tory leader of South Oxford district council for nine years, now serves on various local quangos and committees.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/enter-the-cleanshaven-adventur er-hero-1618791.html

Monbiot attended Stowe Public School
Annual full boarding fees: £29,895
http://www.isbi.com/viewschool.asp?school=2116-Stowe_School



Good at work, bad at sport, with heterodox opinions and a crippling stammer, I would have been bullied at any school, but at boarding school the bullying was remorseless and inescapable. Sometimes it lasted through much of the night. To have “sneaked” would only have made it worse, so from the age of eight I was thrown upon my own puny resources. It is hard to believe that the teachers didn’t know what was happening: perhaps they thought it was “character building”.

Less visible, but just as prevalent, was sexual abuse: new boys were routinely groped and occasionally sodomised by the prefects. Sexual assault was and possibly still is a feature of prep school life as innate as fried bread and British bulldogs.

http://www.monbiot.com/1998/03/26/acceptable-cruelty/


Oxford

I had an unhappy time at university, and I now regret having gone to Oxford, even though the zoology course I took was excellent. The culture did not suit me, and when I tried to join in I fell flat on my face, sometimes in a drunken stupor.

http://www.monbiot.com/about/



On May morning, I was distressed to see that the police had erected metal barriers along the parapet of Magdalen Bridge. Since time immemorial, Oxford students have demonstrated the principles of natural selection by jumping off the bridge and impaling themselves on old shopping trolleys. Now that this tradition has been brought to an end, it surely behoves the police to find some other means by which Nature might be permitted to run her course.
http://www.monbiot.com/2003/06/27/diary/



Monbiot's father


The father of George Monbiot, Britain's leading anti-globalisation campaigner, is Sir Raymond Monbiot CBE, the deputy chairman of the Conservative party and an executive who made the family's fortune working for Campbell's global canned-soup empire

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2006/jan/08/greenpolitics.conservat ives


Raymond Monbiot, former vice chair of the Conservative Party was behind rule changes to exclude members from voting for the leader

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4220346.stm



In the final days of IDS, Peter Oborne pointed out Ray has wider responsibilities than drawing up reform plans:

'It should be borne in mind that Monbiot is one of the men in grey suits whose heavy duty might be to hand the party leader a bottle of whisky and a revolver in certain circumstances.'

http://daviddavisleader.blogspot.co.uk/2005_05_01_daviddavisleader_arc hive.html


George Monbiot speaking at the Conservative party conference 2006 while his father was deputy leader:video

http://www.guardian.co.uk/video/page/0,,1887360,00.html




Sir Crispin Tickell (mentor)

Sir Crispin (Tickell) was President of the Royal Geographical Society from 1990 to 1993 and Warden of Green College, Oxford between 1990 and 1997, where he appointed George Monbiot and Norman Myers as Visiting Fellows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Tickell


Sir Crispin Tickell, member of the eugenics Huxley clan.

He is also a patron of population concern charity Population Matters, (formerly known as the Optimum Population Trust), and told Radio 4's Today programme that the ideal population for Britain could be around 20 million. As a member of Lord Rogers' Urban Task Force, Tickell counselled against spreading cities saying that we need denser living, that young adults should not expect to leave home straight away, and that older relatives could live in 'granny flats'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Tickell#Public_Impact


“This book is rightly attracting attention, and raises issues that have long been neglected or deliberately buried … It should make people think; and as the author well says, if we do not like his ideas, then think of better ones. He believes that leaving things as they are is not a serious option. He makes his case.” Sir Crispin Tickell, Financial Times

http://www.monbiot.com/books/the-age-of-consent/


ecofascism
http://ecofascism.com/

Environmentalism is fascism
http://ecofascism.com/

Ecofascism Revisited
http://skepteco.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/ecofascism-revisited/

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Monbiot is not only a hypocrite, but a bully too':
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-01-12/monbiot-bully-hypocrite/

'...A true environmentalist has to look as critically at western policies in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela and many other areas of the globe as he does at UK policy in the Welsh hills and the Lake District.

All indications are that Monbiot lacks the experience, knowledge and skills to unravel the deceptions being perpetrated in the west’s proxy and not-so-proxy wars overseas. That is fair enough. What is not reasonable is that he should use his platforms to smear precisely those who can speak with a degree of authority and independence – and then conspire in denying them a platform to respond. That is the behaviour not only of a hypocrite, but of a bully too.'

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Re: the ' White Helmets' in Syria whose official name is the ' Syrian Civil Defense force' (having taken that name from the REAL Syria Civil Defence for whom you call 113 inside Syria) and their surreptitious agenda behind their role as a 'humanitarian support' entity (not officially recognised by the UN as a first-responder civil-defence organisation), read here: http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/08/01/james-le-mesurier-the-british-me rcenary-who-founded-the-white-helmets/ http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/08/01/james-le-mesurier-the-british-me rcenary-who-founded-the-white-helmets/
The White Helmets have only ever operated in areas where Islamist terror groups have operated within Syria. Extract: "It should come as no surprise then that, since their founding, the White Helmets have been instrumental in blaming the Syrian government for any and all subsequent chemical weapons attacks in Syria, acting as both witnesses and responders to events that were later proven https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/07/syri-a07.html to be the work of the armed opposition in Syria or staged https://www.yahoo.com/news/mit-expert-claims-latest-chemical-100819428 .html." A very salient fact so often mislaid in the stampede to produce lies, is that the only chemical factory in Aleppo (producing chlorine among other substances) was actually captured by the Al Nusra Front coalition in 2012 http://www.france24.com/en/20121208-syria-warns-rebels-may-resort-chem ical-weapons-assad-united-nations-islamists. It is located about 10km east of Aleppo’s airport on the road towards Raqqa. [source: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-syria-civil-defence-exposes-nat os-white-helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/5547528 https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-syria-civil-defence-exposes-nat os-white-helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/5547528 ].

And for a comprehensive analysis, listen to the following - Tony's Bristol Community Radio Friday Drivetime Politics Show broadcast on 11th November 2016 featuring a recording of a talk by freelance journalist Vanessa Beeley, from 36 mins 44 secs onwards
http://www.radio4all.net/files/tony@cultureshop.org.uk/2149-1-20161111 180002.mp3



Monbiot is not only a hypocrite, but a bully too
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-01-12/monbiot-bully-hypocrite/
12 January 2018
It is time for George Monbiot’s legion of supporters to call him out. Not only is he a hypocrite, but he is becoming an increasingly dangerous one.

Turning a blind eye to his behaviour, or worse excusing it, as too often happens, has only encouraged him to intensify his attacks on dissident writers, those who – whether right or wrong on any specific issue – are slowly helping us all to develop more critical perspectives on western foreign policy goals than has ever been possible before.

I do not lightly use such strong language against Monbiot, someone I once admired. But his column this week drips with hypocrisy as he accuses the rightwing media of being the real villains when it comes to “no-platforming”. Monbiot writes:

But perhaps the real discomfort is that the worst no-platforming of all takes place within our newspapers. In the publications most obsessed with student silliness, there is no platform for socialism, no platform for environmentalism, no platform for those who might offend the interests of the proprietors. …

I believe that a healthy media organisation, like a healthy university, should admit a diversity of opinion. I want the other newspapers to keep publishing views with which I fiercely disagree. But they – and we – should also seek opposing views and publish them too, however uncomfortable this might be.
What free speech advocate would disagree with that. Except it is Monbiot himself who has been using his prominent platforms, at the Guardian and on social media, to discredit critical thinkers on the left – not with reasoned arguments, but by impugning their integrity.

Denied a platform
It started with his unsubstantiated claim that scholars like Noam Chomsky and the late Ed Herman, as well as the acclaimed journalist John Pilger, were “genocide deniers and belittlers”. It now focuses on childish insinuations that those who question the corporate media’s simplistic narrative on Syria are Assad apologists or in Vladimir Putin’s pay.

But worse than this, Monbiot is also conspiring – either actively or through his silence – to deny critics of his and the Guardian’s position on Syria the chance to set out their evidence in its pages.

The Guardian’s anti-democratic stance does not surprise me, as someone who worked there for many years. I found myself repeatedly no-platformed by the paper – even while on its staff – after I started taking an interest in the Israel-Palestine conflict and writing about the discomforting issue of what a Jewish state entails. My treatment is far from unique.

Now the paper is denying a platform to those who question simplistic and self-serving western narratives on Syria. And Monbiot is backing his employer to the hilt, even as he professes his commitment to the publication of views he fiercely disagrees with. That’s the dictionary definition of hypocrisy.

‘Selfless’ White Helmets?
The latest instalment of the Guardian and Monbiot’s long-running battle to silence Syria dissidents arrived last month when Olivia Solon, the paper’s technology writer living in San Francisco, developed a sudden and unexpected expertise in a controversial Syrian group called the White Helmets.

In the western corporate media narrative, the White Helmets are a group of dedicated and selfless rescue workers. They are supposedly the humanitarians on whose behalf a western intervention in Syria would have been justified – before, that is, Syrian leader Bashar Assad queered their pitch by inviting in Russia.

However, there are problems with the White Helmets. They operate only in rebel – read: mainly al-Qaeda and ISIS-held – areas of Syria, and plenty of evidence shows that they are funded by the UK and US to advance both countries’ far-from-humanitarian policy objectives in Syria.

There are also strong indications that members of the White Helmets have been involved in war crimes, and that they have staged rescue operations as a part of a propaganda offensive designed to assist Islamic extremists trying to oust Assad. (Solon discounts this last claim. In doing so, she ignores several examples of such behaviour, concentrating instead on an improbable “mannequin challenge”, when the White Helmets supposedly froze their emergency operations, in the midst of rescue efforts, apparently as part of a peculiar publicity campaign.)

Guardian hatchet job
Whatever side one takes in this debate, one would imagine that Monbiot should have a clear agenda in support of hearing evidence from all sides. One might also imagine that he would want to distance himself from Solon’s efforts to tie criticism of the White Helmets to a supposed “fake news” crisis and paint those critical of the group as Putin-bots. According to Solon:

The way the Russian propaganda machine has targeted the White Helmets is a neat case study in the prevailing information wars. It exposes just how rumours, conspiracy theories and half-truths bubble to the top of YouTube, Google and Twitter search algorithms.
Those are the same algorithms that have been changed in recent months to make sure that prominent leftist websites are increasingly difficult to find on internet searches and their writers’ views effectively disappeared.

Yet Monbiot has been using social media to promote Solon’s cheerleading of the White Helmets and her hatchet job against on-the-ground journalists who have taken a far more critical view of the group.

As set out by Prof Tim Hayward, the Guardian’s response to criticism of Solon’s piece has been typical. The comments section below the article was hastily closed after many criticisms were voiced by readers. The journalists who were singled out for attack by Solon were denied a right of reply. A group of concerned academics led by Hayward who submitted their own article, which detailed publicly available evidence to counter Solon’s simplistic account of the White Helmets, were ignored. Meanwhile, the Guardian’s editors and the reader’s editor have ignored all efforts by these parties to contact them.

Given his claim to be an uncompromising defender of free speech and a fierce advocate of providing platforms to those who can back up their arguments with evidence, however discomforting, one might have assumed that Monbiot would at the very least have lobbied on behalf of Hayward and his fellow scholars. But not a bit of it. Yet again he has joined the dogs of the corporate media baying for blood. Instead he turned to Twitter to claim Hayward and Piers Robinson, an expert on propaganda, had “disgraced” themselves.

Undermining climate concerns
The many tens of thousands of leftists who defend Monbiot, or turn a blind eye to his hypocrisy, largely do so because of his record on the environment. But in practice they are enabling not only his increasingly overt incitement against critical thinkers, but also undermining the very cause his supporters believe he champions.

Climate breakdown is a global concern. Rewilding, bike-riding, protecting bees and polar bears, and developing new sustainable technologies are all vitally important. But such actions will amount to little if we fail to turn a highly sceptical eye on the activities of a western military-industrial complex ravaging the planet’s poorest regions.

These war industries fill their coffers by using weapons indiscriminately on “enemy” populations, spawning new and fiercer enemies – while often propping them up too – to generate endless wars. The consequences include massive displacements of these populations who then destabilise other regions, spreading the effect and creating new opportunities for the arms manufacturers, homeland security industries, and the financial industries that feed off them.

A true environmentalist has to look as critically at western policies in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela and many other areas of the globe as he does at UK policy in the Welsh hills and the Lake District.

All indications are that Monbiot lacks the experience, knowledge and skills to unravel the deceptions being perpetrated in the west’s proxy and not-so-proxy wars overseas. That is fair enough. What is not reasonable is that he should use his platforms to smear precisely those who can speak with a degree of authority and independence – and then conspire in denying them a platform to respond. That is the behaviour not only of a hypocrite, but of a bully too.

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