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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover
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Ambrose Evans-Pritchard 27 APRIL 2016 • 8:18PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-alwa ys-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/

EU creator Jean Monnet was Roosevelt's eyes and ears in Europe. Some called him a US agent
Brexiteers should have been prepared for the shattering intervention of the US. The European Union always was an American project.

It was Washington that drove European integration in the late 1940s, and funded it covertly under the Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon administrations.

US President Barack Obama warned Britain to stay in the EU
US President Barack Obama warned Britain to stay in the EU CREDIT: AFP/GETTY
While irritated at times, the US has relied on the EU ever since as the anchor to American regional interests alongside NATO.

There has never been a divide-and-rule strategy.

The eurosceptic camp has been strangely blind to this, somehow supposing that powerful forces across the Atlantic are egging on British secession, and will hail them as liberators.

The anti-Brussels movement in France - and to a lesser extent in Italy and Germany, and among the Nordic Left - works from the opposite premise, that the EU is essentially an instrument of Anglo-Saxon power and 'capitalisme sauvage'.

France's Marine Le Pen is trenchantly anti-American. She rails against dollar supremacy. Her Front National relies on funding from Russian banks linked to Vladimir Putin.

Like it or not, this is at least is strategically coherent.

The Schuman Declaration that set the tone of Franco-German reconciliation - and would lead by stages to the European Community - was cooked up by the US Secretary of State Dean Acheson at a meeting in Foggy Bottom. "It all began in Washington," said Robert Schuman's chief of staff.

It was the Truman administration that browbeat the French to reach a modus vivendi with Germany in the early post-War years, even threatening to cut off US Marshall aid at a furious meeting with recalcitrant French leaders they resisted in September 1950.

Soviet tanks rumble into Prague
Soviet tanks rumble into Prague
Truman's motive was obvious. The Yalta settlement with the Soviet Union was breaking down. He wanted a united front to deter the Kremlin from further aggrandizement after Stalin gobbled up Czechoslovakia, doubly so after Communist North Korea crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded the South.

For British eurosceptics, Jean Monnet looms large in the federalist pantheon, the emminence grise of supranational villainy. Few are aware that he spent much of his life in America, and served as war-time eyes and ears of Franklin Roosevelt.

General Charles de Gaulle thought him an American agent, as indeed he was in a loose sense. Eric Roussel's biography of Monnet reveals how he worked hand in glove with successive administrations.

General Charles de Gaulle was always deeply suspicious of American motives
General Charles de Gaulle was always deeply suspicious of American motives CREDIT: ALAMY
It is odd that this magisterial 1000-page study has never been translated into English since it is the best work ever written about the origins of the EU.

Nor are many aware of declassified documents from the State Department archives showing that US intelligence funded the European movement secretly for decades, and worked aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into the project.

As this newspaper first reported when the treasure became available, one memorandum dated July 26, 1950, reveals a campaign to promote a full-fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the Central Inteligence Agency.

The key CIA front was the American Committee for a United Europe (ACUE), chaired by Donovan. Another document shows that it provided 53.5 per cent of the European movement's funds in 1958. The board included Walter Bedell Smith and Allen Dulles, CIA directors in the Fifties, and a caste of ex-OSS officials who moved in and out of the CIA.

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Bill Donovan, legendary head of the war-time OSS, was later in charge of orchestrating the EU project


Papers show that it treated some of the EU's 'founding fathers' as hired hands, and actively prevented them finding alternative funding that would have broken reliance on Washington.

There is nothing particularly wicked about this. The US acted astutely in the context of the Cold War. The political reconstruction of Europe was a roaring success.

There were horrible misjudgments along the way, of course. A memo dated June 11, 1965, instructs the vice-president of the European Community to pursue monetary union by stealth, suppressing debate until the "adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable". This was too clever by half, as we can see today from debt-deflation traps and mass unemployment across southern Europe.

In a sense these papers are ancient history. What they show is that the American 'deep state' was in up to its neck. We can argue over whether Boris Johnson crossed a line last week by dredging up President Barack Obama's "part-Kenyan ancestry", but the cardinal error was to suppose that Mr Obama's trade threat had anything to do with the ordeals of his grandfather in a Mau Mau prison camp. It was American foreign policy boilerplate.

As it happens, Mr Obama might understandably feel rancour after the abuses that have come to light lately from the Mau Mau repression. It was a shameful breakdown of colonial police discipline, to the disgust of veteran officials who served in other parts of Africa. But the message from his extraordinary book - 'Dreams From My Father' - is that he strives to rise above historic grudges.

Brexiteers take comfort that Republican hopeful Ted Cruz wants a post-Brexit Britain to jump to the "front of the line for a free trade deal”, but he is merely making campaign hay. Mr Cruz will conform to Washington's Palmerstonian imperatives - whatever they may be at that moment - if he ever enters the White House.

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President Obama's grandfather was a prisoner during the suppression of Kenya's Mau Mau revolt, a shameful episode of British colonial history


It is true that America had second thoughts about the EU once the ideological fanatics gained ascendancy in the late 1980s, recasting the union as a rival superpower with ambitions to challenge and surpass the US.

John Kornblum, the State Department's chief of European affairs in the 1990s, says it was a nightmare trying deal with Brussels. "I ended up totally frustrated. In the areas of military, security and defence, it is totally dysfunctional."

Mr Kornblum argues that the EU "left NATO psychologically" when it tried to set up its own military command structure, and did so with its usual posturing and incompetence. "Both Britain and the West would be in much better shape if Britain was not in the EU," he said.

This is interesting but it is a minority view in US policy circles. The frustration passed when Poland and the first wave of East European states joined the EU in 2004, bringing in a troupe of Atlanticist governments.

We know it is hardly a love-affair. A top US official was caught two years ago on a telephone intercept dismissing Brussels during the Ukraine crisis with the lapidary words, "* the EU".

Yet the all-pervading view is that the Western liberal order is under triple assault, and the EU must be propped, much as Britain and France propped up the tottering Ottoman Empire in the 19th - and wisely so given that its slow collapse led directly to the First World War.

Today's combined threats comes from Jihadi terror and a string of failed states across the Maghreb and the Levant; from a highly-militarized pariah regime in Moscow that will soon run out of money but has a window of opportunity before Europe rearms; and from an extremely dangerous crisis in the South China Sea that is escalating by the day as Beijing tests the US alliance structure.

The dangers from Russia and China are of course interlinked. It is likely - pessimists say certain - that Vladimir Putin would seize on a serious blow-up on Pacific rim to try his luck in Europe. In the eyes of Washington, Ottawa, Canberra, and those capitals around the world that broadly view Pax Americana as a plus, this is not the time for Britain to lob a stick of dynamite into Europe's rickety edifice.

The awful truth for the Leave campaign is that the governing establishment of the entire Western world views Brexit as strategic vandalism. Whether fair or not, Brexiteers must answer this reproach. A few such as Lord Owen grasp the scale of the problem. Most seemed blithely unaware until Mr Obama blew into town last week.

In my view, the Brexit camp should be laying out plans to increase UK defence spending by half to 3pc of GDP, pledging to propel Britain into the lead as the undisputed military power of Europe. They should aim to bind this country closer to France in an even more intimate security alliance. These sorts of moves would at least spike one of Project Fear's biggest guns.

The Brexiteers should squelch any suggestion that EU withdrawal means resiling from global responsibility, or tearing up the European Convention (that British-drafted, non-EU, Magna Carta of freedom), or turning our backs on the COP21 climate accords, or any other of the febrile flirtations of the movement.

It is perhaps too much to expect a coherent plan from a disparate group, thrown together artificially by events. Yet many of us who are sympathetic to the Brexit camp, who also want to take back our sovereign self-government and escape the bogus and usurped supremacy of the European Court of Justice, have yet to hear how Brexiteers think this extraction can occur without colossal collateral damage and in a manner consistent with the honour of this country.

You can quarrel with Europe, or you can quarrel with the US, but it is courting fate to quarrel with the whole democratic world at the same time.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tesco’s PR coup: after Marmite-gate it’s now the little guy’s Brexit friend
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Allister Heath 13 OCTOBER 2016 • 9:04PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/13/tescos-pr-coup-after-ma rmite-gate-its-now-the-little-guys-brexit/

I love Marmite: when I lived in France, we would always make sure that whichever family member was travelling back would make sure to pack a few pots in their bags.

So the fact that Unilever, which owns the spread, has been trying to hike its price is bad news for me and my family.

The fact that its stand-off with Tesco is now over changes little.

But nobody should ever confuse their own immediate self-interest with the good of the nation.

Before I take a closer look at the economics of Marmite, one simple point is crystal-clear.

If, like me, you believe that the pound has been too high for too long and needed to fall to help rebalance the economy, then you must also want the price of imports to rise relative to the price of domestically produced goods.

The whole point of hoping for a lower sterling is that it encourages consumers, at the margin, to switch to cheapened domestic products.

This is temporarily bad for consumers: imports are great.

But we cannot afford as many, and will have to become more productive to fix that.

The UK’s current account deficit is the largest of the G7: we don’t export enough and don’t make enough money on our overseas investments, and are therefore obliged to hand over assets – central London offices or companies – to pay for our imports.

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The UK's current account deficit is larger than any othermajor advanced economy
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I consume lots of imported goods myself, and went on a foreign holiday: the lower pound was painful, but I have no right to complain, and I didn’t.

The UK has been living beyond its means these past few years; we thought the value of our output was higher than it was and the markets, bizarrely, indulged us.

Brexit is the catalyst, not the real root cause, of this return to reality. A lower pound will only work if it slashes the current account deficit.

Ideally, I would like it also to help us consume a little less overall and save a little more.

Sterling is down 21pc on a trade-weighted basis since it peaked last November, Berenberg calculates; it is down 16pc since the referendum. By contrast, trade-weighted sterling slumped almost 30pc in 2007-08 and by close to 20pc in 1992 when we thankfully left the preposterous European Exchange Rate Mechanism.

Current account balance as % of GDP
Britain's current account deficit is bigger than at theheight of the Lawson boom
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The economics establishment hated the first devaluation and liked the second one much more. Yet the post-ERM sterling slump worked; the post-crisis one much less so, but simply because demand was collapsing globally in very different circumstances to today.

The current slide will boost our current account: the fact that we manufacture less as a share of GDP today compared with 1992 doesn’t really matter.

It is also a myth to believe that tradeable services are not price-sensitive. Back to Marmite, which is a much more complex story than first meets the eye.

It is not actually an import, so very little of the above applies to the row with Tesco, which ended last night. Marmite is made in the UK, using largely UK inputs and UK workers; its factory already exists so it doesn’t need to buy new machinery for it from abroad.

Of course, it also imports some raw materials, including for the packaging; and some commodity markets are priced in dollars, so there will be cost pressure there (though scope for negotiation). Modern supply-chains are complex, but there is no way that Unilever’s real costs for Marmite and other products have risen by 10pc, the original amount by which the company wanted to hike its prices.

Companies should have the right to price their products in any way they like within the law.

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If Unilever wants to hike Marmite’s price by 300pc, and the retailers agree to stock it, so be it; we as consumers have the right to switch to cheaper supermarket own labels or to Vegemite (yuck and yuck again).

But companies should always be open about their decisions: the primary reason for the proposed price hikes was that Unilever’s accounts are in euros.

Sterling’s slump has slashed its revenues and profits for the purpose of its accounts. The company believes that it has pricing power, and was trying to recoup some of this; Tesco fought back, in a typical supplier-retailer stand-off.

These sorts of things are perfectly legitimate and happen all the time.

Yet Unilever has a long history of supporting pro-EU causes, and meddling in democratic politics, so its attempt at hiking its prices has infuriated an important section of the population who are now convinced that they are being “punished” for their referendum choice.

A pro-Brexit mass membership pressure group could well emerge, perhaps out of the Leave.EU campaign, and engage in cultural warfare against companies it doesn’t like.

Left-wing groups have hammered energy firms in this way for years; it could soon be the turn of the Right to do the same.

Unilever and its ilk need to tread much more carefully: the political scene has changed forever.

Tesco, by contrast, is playing a clever PR hand: it has turned itself into a neutral advocate of consumer interests – a campaigner for lower prices.

This is an astonishing transformation by Dave Lewis, who has slowly been rescuing Tesco.

He cleverly didn’t take sides on Brexit: he realised that a company that employs so many people and serves so many consumers needs to stick to commerce.

A Unilever veteran, he knew where that company produced its goods, the real impact of the slumping pound and what its margins are (much higher, in fact, than Tesco’s).

The showdown with Unilever was a masterstroke, as was its prompt resolution: I still remember when a decade ago, long before banker-bashing had even been invented, Tesco was the most demonised company in Britain, viewed as too nasty towards suppliers.

Today, it’s a supplier that is under fire, and Tesco which is being lauded.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a call to discuss Brexit fallout on Press TV last night
Secession, About Time Too! Beginning of the End of European Union. #Brexit Fallout on @PressTV

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boioioioing!

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Absolutely MINDBLOWING article - survey etc - repeating this from above

Scots prefer post-Brexit UK to independence, poll finds
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/scots-want-stay-part-post -brexit-uk-poll-finds/

The poll's findings suggest that most Scots do not want another referendum on independence despite the EU vote
(Photo: Getty) Chris Green 0:01 Saturday July 30th 2016
A clear majority of Scots want the country to stay part of a post-Brexit UK rather than becoming independent and remaining part of the EU, an opinion poll has found. The results of the survey, carried out a month after the result of the European referendum, calls into question Scotland’s appetite for a re-run of 2014’s vote on independence. “The arguments for Scotland remaining a part of the UK are just as compelling as they were in 2014 – in or out of the EU” Lord Dunlop The YouGov poll found that 46 per cent of Scots would prefer to remain part of a post-Brexit UK, while only 37 per cent favoured of breaking up the Union and being allowed to remain in the EU. The results will be seen as a blow to the SNP’s hopes of securing independence for Scotland following the UK’s decision to leave the EU last month, which came despite 62 per cent of Scots voting to remain.
IndyRef2? Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, warned in the aftermath of the result that a second referendum on Scottish independence was now “highly likely” as voters would be furious at the prospect of being dragged out of the EU against their will. The survey also found that the result of the EU vote has not had much of an impact on people’s opinions on independence, with a majority of people continuing to favour remaining part of the UK. Only 47 per cent said they want Scotland to become an independent country, while 53 per cent want to keep the Union intact, the poll of more than 1,000 Scottish adults found. The survey also showed that more Scots would rather be part of a post-Brexit UK with no access to the EU’s single market than leave the Union to secure continued free trade, with 40 per cent favouring the former scenario and only 34 per cent the latter. “Inevitably, some will suggest that the high-water mark of Scottish independence has now passed, especially as it was thought that leaving the EU might persuade No voters to change their minds and vote against the Union,” said Joe Twyman, YouGov’s head of political and social research. “However, the situation is, naturally, more complicated than that. There remains a great deal of uncertainty about what the UK’s relationship with the EU will look like…once precise details of Brexit are hammered out it could change the whole context of the independence debate.” ‘Divisive constitutional debate’ The Scottish Conservatives said the poll’s findings “completely exposes the SNP’s post-Brexit hyperbole” and called on Ms Sturgeon’s party to “get back to the day job, instead of agitating for yet another independence drive”. Scotland Office Minister Lord Dunlop added that another “divisive constitutional debate” was not want the country wanted. “The arguments for Scotland remaining a part of the UK are just as compelling as they were in 2014 – in or out of the EU,” he said. “The Prime Minister has been very clear that we are going to make a success of Brexit, and the focus now needs to be on collaborative working with the Scottish Government as ‘Team UK’ to ensure the best possible deal for Scotland and the rest of the UK.” However, the SNP pointed out that support for independence had risen since YouGov’s last poll on the subject, suggesting that No voters were reconsidering their views in light of the UK’s decision to leave the EU. “In light of the overwhelming vote to remain in the EU, it is right that the Scottish Government explores every option to protect our relationship with and place in the EU – including the option of another independence referendum if that is what it takes,” said SNP business convener Derek Mackay.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's great that you can see into the minds of everyone in Scotland.
At this early stage it's guesswork.

Polls can be accurate or inaccurate so some folks can go round the media telling other people what to think.

For sure there are no guarantees we'd get another referendum, no guarantees we'd win, and no guarantees we'd lose.

Last time out, every trick in the book was used, and i do mean every trick in the book. This includes people who are dead, somehow being able to vote, the link up between various right wing factions, of the Orange Order etc. An orchestrated riot in George Square. An attempt to effectively bring terror to the streets of Glasgow.

Folk living in England being able to vote if your English simply because there is a holiday home up here, and guess who owns most of the land?

Scotland gets the Commonwealth Games a month before the vote, Rangers get put into liquidation by HMRC, after an attempted clamp down on Sectarian singing at football matches, brought in by the SNP.

What else, oh yeah everyone working in the public sector being told to vote to stay or lose there jobs.

Then obviously the media was extremely out of order.

Leave and you won't get into the EU....laughing at the prospect of Scotland taking up the Euro.

It's the media who pour all this out. Scotland wants to go in a different direction, equates to Scotland being beggars, thieves and vagabonds, only not worded so nicely.

So now we wait and see. The attack dogs are out already, all the usual suspects.

Let them say what they will, but the will of the Scottish people would have been a lot different if we didn't have every single press room on the planet trying to do the Tories a favor in exchange for life peerages and tax breaks.

Do you think it's any coincidence the first person Cameron went to thank was Bloomberg? Do you think it's any coincidence the Scottish Referendum was a data mining test, the kind of not seen in some time, or perfected in America?

Do you think a fair and unbiased media would have altered the vote?

We know all the usual tactics will be used to stoke the fires of hatred.

All the things that needed to be covered up, the enquiries were put on hold into Iraq, VIPaedo Ring etc.

We now also know an aeroplane that was blown up in the borders wasn't blown up by the Libyans, so guess what, we were lied to about that as well.

They wanted to get all this timelined so that it wouldn't affect the vote and now the alarm bells are ringing, because essentially we've got English votes for English laws, but we have English votes for Scottish laws.

Then after our referendum, we have one to leave the EU which contradicts what was being said about Indyref.

Contradictions abound you need to make up your mind on whether you dig the queen, the royal family, westminster, the City of London Corporation, white collar crime, the prime minister showing his hand via offshore trading scandals based around new government policies.

I could go on, but you know all these things. We are against the same things, just without the bigotry and propaganda.


The thing that spooks people are things like pensions being cut. Scotland stays in the UK, they get cut anyway.

Also the timing. It just simply does not fit with the pre-determined media timeline to affect the vote in any way shape or form. By that i mean they are not organized for it.

So look out for some stalling tactics to get the US one out of the way and all the autobots once again directed against Democracy.

Scotland might just get it and if they do i'll not be voting to stay in a fake union that suits one side more than the other.

I won't be voting so all the best jobs go down south and the talent also follows.

I don't want to be part of a Nuclear program when we have been developing renewable technology up here for a long time.

People will get into this thing that the financial district gets to decide if it's viable or not.

People rigging the oil price to stave of a mega collapse, turning around now and saying oh but what about the oil price dropping?

Coouldn't care less. We've shale in the North Sea, massive fishing grounds that can possibly be reversed and a lot of land that the queen liked to give away as presents to war heroes and war criminals.

So on the back of this, you can go tell Google or Facebook, my entire family will vote to stay and with a few years passing, the 150,000 votes to make up are sorted by the passing of the older generation and all the folks too young to vote, now being able to.

It's daft Tony, and it certainly brings into question whether you're desperate for a story or wish to actually do the groundwork yourself. Rather than push the Press TV narrative.

Pushing a poll as some form of reasoning, before people are thinking about Indyref, is about as ridiculous as the poll itself.

Just like the phrase, Leaving the UK. We wouldn't be leaving anywhere, but rather not be subjected to the unanimous English vote, which is always a vote for stupid.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidentally, RT streamed the UKIP conference in Glasgow, before the vote, where the number two in charge, told the viewers to go on the Orange March in Edinburgh. Streamed on Youtube by RT.

The same folks streamed the orchestrated riots in George Square, you've guessed it, RT again.

Then after the Indyref vote, guess who comes out saying the vote was rigged? You've guessed it, Russia.

Where was the story pushed, RT.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you seen the Daily Mail's fishing poll, #throwscotlandout over on Twitter?

Data flowsand the Mail make a tonne of money pushing the paper overseas.

Haha, and we are all pawns in the whole escapade. You couldn't make it up.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicola Sturgeon -
- a creature of David Rockefeller and Cecil Rhodes

First Minister speaks at Council on Foreign Relations
11/06/2015 14:52
Nicola Sturgeon addresses think tank in Washington.
http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/First-Minister-speaks-at-Council-on-F oreign-Relations-19e5.aspx

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said:

Its a pleasure to be here in the United States, in Washington DC and of course here in this well respected organisation.

One of the things I’ve often been reminded of since I arrived, is the fact that the very bonds between Scotland and the USA go back centuries.

They run from the discussion and debate between enlightenment thinkers such as David Hume and Benjamin Franklin; to the modern exchange of university graduates and the connections between our technology companies. Our relationship is cultural, social, historic and economic. We value those things very highly. And from what I’ve seen on my visit, I’m sure that those ties will continue and strengthen for generations to come.

So it’s a pleasure to be here at the Council on Foreign Relations – an organization which for more than 90 years has contributed to that exchange of ideas between the USA and the wider world.

And I’m especially pleased to be speaking at this particular time. I’m very aware that there is a strong interest here in recent political developments, not just in Scotland but in UK as a whole - and in the implications of those developments for Europe and the wider international community.

Before we begin our discussion, therefore, I want to briefly provide my thoughts on where the UK and Scotland stand now.

And in doing that, I’ll talk about two referendums and one election. I shall look back at the referendum on Scottish independence last year, and the UK General Election last month; and I’ll also look forward - to the referendum on the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union, which will take place sometime before the end of 2017 – although the exact time is yet to be determined.

Now, as you’ll probably all be aware, the first referendum - on Scottish independence in September –didn’t exactly turn out as I would have wanted! But while it may not have transformed Scotland's constitutional position, it did undoubtedly transform Scottish and had a transformational effect on UK politics as well.

Firstly it made Scotland one of the most politically engaged countries in the world. Nearly everyone became involved in a peaceful and passionate debate about the kind of country they wanted to live in. That has had lasting consequences.

For example in the UK General Election last month, turnout in Scotland was 5 percentage points higher than in the rest of the UK. Many people, who maybe hadn’t previously been interested in politics, understand that their vote and their voice really matter – they feel involved in decision-making in a way which hasn’t happened before.

And so regardless of the result, the referendum itself has been good for Scotland – we are more energised, informed and empowered than we have ever been before.

The result from that referendum also provided part of the context for last month’s UK General Election.

To the casual observer the UK election produced a very clear result, with the election of a majority Conservative government, and saw David Cameron remaining as Prime Minister.

But when you look in more detail, something striking and more complex emerges – in many ways there were four different elections last month in the different nations of the UK. Those elections had very different results and those results have significant implications for the UK and how its governed as a country.

The Scottish National Party won 56 seats out of the 59 in Scotland; Labour were clearly the biggest party in Wales; the Conservatives gained 60% of the seats in England; and Northern Ireland has always had a different system of party politics.

Shortly before the election I raised the question of what is an electoral mandate in the UK when the four nations are pulling in different directions. In practical terms simply winning enough votes and seats in England, can secure a Parliamentary majority. But when a government is achieved only by winning seats in one of the four nations of the UK - what kind of mandate is that?

The Conservative Party has the right to form the Government of the UK. But it was not the biggest party in three of the four nations of the UK – far from it - and so the legitimacy of its actions in those other nations comes very clearly into focus.

And so as I discussed with the Prime Minister when he came to see me after the election - what happens to the future of the UK in the years ahead will depend on how responsibly Westminster deals with that reality.

I'm not planning to refight the independence referendum on the immediate horizon - but if the UK is to remain intact it must adapt to multinational and multi-party politics in a far more substantial manner.

Here in the USA, you’re used to the idea of 50 different state governments making very different choices about very significant issues. But that’s not something the UK governments are used to – for much of the last century, it’s been a remarkably centralised state. And it’s now increasingly clear that for the UK as a whole, one size doesn’t fit all. And a one size fits all approach will not fit the bill for the future.

The distinct political identities which seem to be emerging in different parts of the UK, are also relevant to the third vote I want to talk about – the coming referendum on the UK’s membership of the European Union.

It’s also a matter of considerable interest here in the US too.

What I find odd about this referendum is that the Prime Minister says that he wants to stay in Europe; both of the biggest UK parties want to stay in Europe; there’s overwhelming support – or so it seems - for the EU in the Westminster parliament; and yet David Cameron has us standing perilously to the exit door to appease members of his own party. Many of them will not be happy with any renegotiation of the UK’s terms of membership, and will campaign for an “out” vote regardless.

The UK Government’s approach seems especially odd in Scotland. In last month’s general election, across the whole of the UK, parties which want to leave the European Union got more than 12% of the popular vote. In Scotland, the figure was less than 2%. Only this week, an opinion poll of Scottish voters has shown that 72 per cent would vote to remain in the EU, with only 28 per cent saying they would vote to leave.

This is not surprising given the economic significance of EU membership. In Scotland alone, 30,000 jobs relay on exports to the EU.

So a referendum simply isn’t a priority for most people in Scotland. But it is possible – depending on how the result goes across the UK – that Scotland could be forced out of the EU against our will.

That’s why the European question is in some ways directly linked to the question of how the UK is governed.

One of the things that Scotland was consistently told, in the two years leading up to the independence referendum, is that we are a valued and equal partner in a UK family of nations. And so surely it shouldn’t be possible for Scotland’s voice to be overruled in an EU referendum.

That is why the Scottish Government is arguing for a “double majority” provision in that referendum – where the UK can only leave the EU, if each nation of the UK votes to leave. That sort of territorial requirement is used in federal countries such as Canada or Australia. It’s time to apply it to the UK - which is a multinational state – to give meaning to the views that the UK is a family of nations.

I said last week, in a speech to the European Policy Centre in Brussels, that if Scotland were taken out of the EU against our will, the groundswell of opinion in Scotland could produce a clamour for another independence referendum which may well be unstoppable.

The UK Government can remove that possibility at a stroke by agreeing to the 'double majority' provision. The referendum legislation should demonstrate what we have so often been told – that the UK Government sees the UK as a family of nations.

It’s clear from what I’ve said that these are momentous and exciting times for Scotland and indeed for the UK as a whole. That brings challenges – of course – but it also brings considerable opportunities.

The coming months and years give us a chance to secure greater powers for Scotland - allowing us to build a powerhouse economy and ensure a more equal society; they provide an opportunity to secure better governance across the whole of the UK; and they will see a vote that I hope will reaffirm the place of Scotland and the UK within the European Union.

All of those outcomes are possible, but none of them are guaranteed. They require positive argument and constructive negotiation from political leaders across the UK.

I’m determined that the Scottish Government will take the lead in making those arguments and contributing to those negotiations. Because if we achieve those three objectives, it will be good for Scotland and indeed for every nation of the UK; it will secure our place in Europe and the wider world. By doing that will help us to strengthen our friendships and alliances - both here in the heart of Washington, and right across the world.


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Banksters will 'smash up' UK economy on 2017 Article 50 Brexit
Well that 'smash up' quote is just me actually but it's pretty accurate
More and more 'insiders' like Shell's Vince Cable and Tony Blair's Alasdair Campbell are saying this
When they trigger article 50, let them have it!

British economy ‘will turn nasty next year’, says former Business Secretary Sir Vince Cable
‘People think no there's no problem with the economy, but they’re paying more for their food and their petrol and that’s going to hit them next year,’ he says
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/sir-vince-cable-british-eco nomy-will-turn-nasty-next-year-says-man-who-predicted-2008-economic-cr ash-a7394316.html

Rachael Pells Education Correspondent Wednesday 2 November 2016324 comments

Sir Vince Cable challenged former Chancellor Gordon Brown over his economic policies and correctly predicted the economic crash Getty
The British economy “will turn nasty” and could fall into recession as a result of Brexit, former Business Secretary Sir Vince Cable has said.

Recent economic growth and reassurances over sterling value may have led Britain into a false sense of calm, but living standards are being cut and longer-term problems are imminent, he warned.

“The two ways that economics are going to turn nasty are because devaluation – which may well grow - cuts peoples incomes,” he told The Independent. “They’re paying more for their food and their petrol, and that’s going to hit people next year particularly.

“The second is that businesses have just stopped investing, and that feeds through into potential recession and stores up long-term problems.

“Part of the problem is that George Osborne went round with this ‘Armageddon’ that the world was going to collapse and it hasn’t. So people think there’s no problem but there is.”

Speaking ahead of his return to the further education sector, the former Business, Innovation and Skills Secretary called for a review of government spending in education in particular.

Working with the National Union of Students, he will lead a new research project, Students Shaping Further Education, into how major reforms to the sector will affect current and future students across the UK.

The review will consider all aspects of the industry, including funding cuts to apprenticeships – which he says could ultimately affect productivity and add a further blow the economy.

“One of the problems with Brexit is that it’s sucking the energy out of the Government,” he said. “The really big thing about the UK is productivity if we take our eyes off that that’s bad.”

“It is a little bit like the Peanuts cartoon, where he walks off the cliff but is still peddling furiously, and hasn’t actually dropped. The economy is a little bit like that at the moment.”

“The economy looks alright in sterling terms but if you translate it into dollar terms, it is a lot smaller than it was and people are not aware of that, and people are going to feel it in the next few years.”

In the years before the global economic crisis, Sir Vince warned openly of the dangerous market banks were creating with easy lending and challenged the then-Chancellor, Gordon Brown, on his policies.

In November 2003, he said: “Is not the brutal truth that the growth of the British economy is sustained by consumer spending pinned against record levels of personal debt, which is secured, if at all, against house prices that the Bank of England describes as well above equilibrium level?”

Experts this week warned that sterling is likely to plunge to a new record low once procedures to leave the EU begin.

Sterling has already dropped by nearly 20 per cent against the dollar since the Brexit vote, becoming the world’s worst-performing currency in October.

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Theresa May 'defies Brexit vote' and opts into new EU-wide security measures
Exclusive: Britain will agree to the automatic sharing of DNA samples, fingerprints and vehicle registration data, after months of uncertainty

Rob Merrick Deputy Political Editor @Rob_Merrick Tuesday 1 November 2016
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-has-decided- to-opt-into-eu-crime-fighting-measures-risking-anger-of-brexit-tory-mp s-a7391666.html

Theresa May has risked the anger of hardline Brexit supporters by deciding to opt in to a series of EU-wide crime-fighting measures, The Independent can reveal.

Britain will agree to the automatic sharing of millions of DNA samples, fingerprints and vehicle registrations, to speed up the hunt for suspected terrorists and major criminals.

Parliament supported opting back into the so-called Prüm Convention last December – but ministers had refused to say if the decision would be derailed by the June decision to leave the EU.

Now Brandon Lewis, a Home Office minister, has revealed the Government will press ahead, in a letter sent to a Commons committee which is investigating the issue.

The decision will come as a relief to the police and security services, who have argued EU-wide co-operation is essential to catch foreign criminals and terrorists who commit offences in Britain.

Senior officers had spoken of their fear that having to renegotiate vital information sharing would take years, leaving dangerous gaps in intelligence in the meantime.

It will also raise their hopes that Britain will also remain a member of Europol – a decision that must be made by the end of the year – and continue to enforce the EU-wide arrest warrant.

But some Brexit-supporting MPs have attacked moves to tie Britain into EU police and criminal justice measures, on the grounds of cost and democracy.

They argue it will involve spending millions of pounds on new IT systems to allow EU members to search this country’s DNA, fingerprint and vehicle registration databases.

Some have disputed a guarantee that only the personal details of people who have been convicted of an offence in the UK will be handed over to a foreign police force.

And they have attacked putting Britain’s DNA and fingerprint databases under the control of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) – which Ms May has vowed to break from.

One Brexit-supporting Conservative MP, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, said she would be writing to David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, to demand the move was only temporary.

She told The Independent: “I have no problem with data-sharing if it’s important in fighting crime, but as long as that data remains under our control.

“It will be unacceptable to the British people – who have voted to regain control of their nation – to find out that their most important data, such as fingerprints and car registrations, will continue to come under the ruling of the ECJ.”

Tim Farron, the Liberal Democrat leader, said it was now crucial that the Prime Minister also “sign up to Europol and other crime fighting powers”.

He said: “Organised crime and criminals do not stop at the cliffs of Dover and Britain gains from being part of the European Arrest Warrant, Prüm and Europol.

“I worry that with Brexit we will recreate the Costa Del Crime and we should do everything in our power to make sure no criminal can avoid justice.”

Mr Lewis revealed the decision in a letter to the Commons European Scrutiny Committee, which assesses all draft EU legislation brought before Parliament.

He wrote: “The Government does not envisage the initial timeline for implementing Prüm being affected by the decision to leave the EU, and is continuing with the implementation of Prüm.

“We are confident that the exchange of data will start to take place in 2017.”

Mr Lewis added that it was “premature to speculate” on what sort of agreement the UK would seek to reach after leaving the EU.

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Hallo Dave. Yes you cannot escape the political corruption and twisting perversion of powers.
Lawyers for Britain have just made the same point as Rees Mogg.
If our MPs pursue this line then there will be a real and deep revolt against the stitch-up with all sorts of dangerous implications. Its early days yet and of course we await the result of the government's appeal to the SC.
I'm glad that the ever vigilant pen of that excellent commentator Gerald Warner has been busy so promptly with this piece. He says it all! (below)
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A PROVOCATION TOO FAR.

"Parliament v. People is the true title of the legal case heard in the High Court today, in which three judges ruled that 650 individuals had the right to frustrate the wishes of 17.4 million voters. The official term for this pyramid of oligarchic control by a tiny, privileged minority is parliamentary democracy.either the courts nor Parliament had any locus in this dispute. The referendum on 23 June was one of those rare and exceptional occasions when the entire citizenry of Britain had, with Parliamentary agreement, dispensed with the usual intermediary representatives and institutions to whom they normally delegate the governance of their country, for the purpose of reaching a major decision by universal consent.
By the European Referendum Act 2015, Parliament temporarily resigned its authority back into the hands of those from whom it is derived: the electorate. This was voted for by 544 MPs to 53. It is arguable that the dissenting 53 have some case for interfering with Brexit; the 544 have not the shadow of a justification for doing so.

The House of Commons resigned its responsibility on this issue because it was confident the electorate would vote the “right” way, i. e. Remain. Now that it has voted the “wrong” way, MPs want to intervene and amend the Brexit process into a de facto Remain settlement. Do they and the activist judges who have sought to frustrate the clearly expressed will of the British people realize how dangerous their behaviour is?

During the past half-century the twin enforcement instruments of unpopular liberalism have been the courts and the legislature, increasingly unrepresentative of the national will. As mass immigration, to take a key issue on which there is a fissiparous divide between the establishment and the population at large, MPs facilitated the influx and the multiculturalism that alienated the public, while judges notoriously lenient with serious criminals imposed hate laws in which the doctrine of “aggravated” offences carrying heavier sentences ended the ideal of equality under the law, hard won over centuries.

There is now widespread contempt for the law due to its manipulation by the establishment against the public interest. The High Court should have refused to hear today’s case on the grounds that no court should attempt to tamper with the will of the nation, expressed in a referendum pre-sanctioned by Parliament. But judicial activism has become part of the political landscape. The extent to which a handful of activist judges can distort a constitution was dramatically illustrated as early as 1973 in the United States with the Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade.

Now there is talk of Parliament “asserting itself”, “taking back control” and so on. The reality is it is trying to take back a control it voluntarily relinquished, not from the executive but from the people. The royal prerogative, in this situation, is a more genuinely democratic instrument of government than a partisan House of Commons attempting to renege on the compact it made with the electorate in the Referendum Act.

Can you imagine how Brexit would fare at the hands of a Remain-dominated House of Commons? The hundreds of amendments and conditions with which Europhile MPs would hobble the Government? This legal case is nothing to do with maintaining the constitution and everything to do with neutering the popular decision of 23 June. It would be difficult to exaggerate the danger of the confrontation being provoked by the two most unpopular institutions in the country, drunk on entitlement.

Behind the legal jargon and pompous political declarations, the doctrine being proclaimed is that the largest popular vote ever recorded in British history can be obstructed and reduced to next to nothing at the whim of the moat cleansers and duck-house maintainers at Westminster. Never have we seen a more dramatic illustration of the weasel “I am a representative not a delegate” with which Sir Bufton traditionally justifies his latest treachery.

Yet this perverse decision may be providential. Despite public outrage over the MPs’ expenses scandal, the Augean stables remain uncleansed. MPs are now likely to offer the public a provocation too far. The same applies to the politicised courts which have no right to involvement in Brexit. The British are slow to anger, implacable once aroused. There are petty tyrants nearer home than Brussels who need to be removed. The backlash from this provocation will exceed anything witnessed in any of our lifetimes. It could lead to very radical reform. The House of Commons needs to be tamed as the House of Lords was a century ago.

And a petty indulgence, if one may: I told you so. From the first it was evident that the absurd Article 50 was never going to be anything other than a drag-anchor on Brexit. The week after she became Prime Minister, Theresa May should have discarded that cumbrous mechanism, notified Brussels of our departure, declared UDI, sent a team to negotiate trade matters and set civil servants to drafting a comprehensive EU Law Repeal Bill. Failing that, she should at least have triggered Article 50 instantly.
Instead, endless delay and prevarication, the manufacture of innumerable issues for pointless “negotiations” and obstruction by civil servants have allowed fanatical Remainers to regroup and lay a minefield gravely prejudicial to investment, prosperity and, above all, sovereignty.

The one hope is that, on appeal, the Supreme Court will have the sense quickly to quash this absurd challenge to the will of the British people. Otherwise we shall find ourselves in a constitutional crisis on the scale of 1642 and 1688. Iain Martin rightly conjures the prospect of millions of angry people descending on London. Unless, however, the anti-British elite surrenders unconditionally and abandons its ambition to annul the popular will, that may be the beginning of events whose end cannot be predicted.





Jacob Rees-Mogg, MP, said the High Court's ruling goes against the decisions it has made in the past, where it has upheld the royal prerogative.


"What surprises me is every court case brought against a European treaty [where] the powers were flowing to the European Union the courts upheld, they upheld the royal prerogative."

“And now when it’s about taking powers away from the European Union suddenly they are ruling against the royal prerogative. So I think it is a very surprising judgment and we will need to look at the politics of it very carefully.”

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'Change Britain'.
https://www.changebritain.org/brexit-means-brexit
https://www.twitter.com/change_britain

They stand for:
Among other significant challenges, Brexit means:
People who voted Leave and people who voted Remain coming together to find the best way forward.
Using all our people and resources to help us navigate through the most significant change to the UK’s economic, diplomatic and democratic arrangements in 40 years.
Engaging individuals and communities across the country with the Brexit process
Improving how our politics works so that the divide between voters and politicians – something the referendum exposed so starkly  “ is bridged, and the bond between the people and their government is irreversibly strengthened
Ending the free movement of people from the EU without denying our businesses with the skills and talent they need to grow.
As free movement ends, enabling EU nationals living and working in Britain to stay here and feel valued, and ensuring the same for UK nationals in EU countries.
Amending and incorporating large areas of EU regulation into UK law as UK legal supremacy is restored.
Identifying effective new funding formulas for agriculture, science, research and poorer regions and agreeing priorities for additional investment when the UK’s financial contribution to the EU budget ends.
Getting British businesses the best possible deal to sell goods and services into the Single Market
Negotiating new trade agreements with the world’s fastest growing markets
Redefining and strengthening our defence and security relationship with European nations and our NATO allies
Supporting EU nations to strengthen the European economy, meet environmental challenges together and manage migration flows on the EU’s borders
Learning to think globally, not just regionally

so I'll give them a try and see if they are any good. I won't hesitate to speak out if they go soft on leaving. I also support Leave.eu

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The Queen 'said she backed Brexit' in run-up to EU referendum

The Queen's view on Brexit has been the subject of much debate
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/brexit-latest-news-queen-said -she-backed-uk-leaving-eu-a7495926.html

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The Queen supported EU withdrawal in the run-up to the referendum, it has been claimed.

Laura Kuenssberg, the BBC's political editor, said she was told about the alleged comment months before the eventual appearance of The Sun's "Queen backs Brexit" headline in March.

The front page story caused one of the biggest rows of the referendum campaign, leading to a successful complaint to press regulator Ipso by Buckingham Palace, which said it was "misleading".

The Sun stood by its story, saying it had two sources for the claim that the Queen had "let rip" at then deputy prime minister Nick Clegg about Europe at a lunch at Windsor Castle.

Mr Clegg has named then justice secretary Michael Gove as the source of the story, but Mr Gove has never confirmed the allegation.

Ms Kuenssberg said that her "jaw hit the floor" when an unnamed contact told her that the Queen had told a private lunch that she could not see why Britain could not simply leave the EU.

The BBC political editor told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "In a casual chat with one of my contacts, they said 'Do you know what? At some point this is going to come out, and I'm telling you now and I don't know if the BBC would touch it, but the Queen told people at a private lunch that she thinks that we should leave the EU'.

"Apparently at this lunch she said 'I don't see why we can't just get out. What's the problem?'

And a row ensued. "My jaw hit the floor. Very sadly, I only had one source. I spent the next few days trying to prove it. I couldn't find the evidence.

"Lo and behold, a couple of months later, someone else did. Of course then ensued a huge row between that newspaper and the Palace over what had really been said or not said.

"There were lots of moments in the referendum campaign but for me that was one when my jaw did hit the floor. Very frustratingly, the story did eventually emerge, whether it was true or not."



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Come on she went to Germany before the referendum claiming the importance of European unity .. she says it publicly, to the whole f'ing world ..
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/06/24/queen-asks-for-european-uni ty-_n_7658078.html

Lets not forget that this royal parasite that nationalists love so much, took a fake name of Windsor to hide her real surname in case of anti-German resentment after WW2 .. Queen Elizabeth Saxe Coburgh-Goetha II, of Romanian-Hungarian lineage.

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Brexit: UK should leave EU because it is unsuccessful, says former Bank of England governor
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Lord King says there are 'real question marks' over whether it should seek to remain in the customs union

Andrew Woodcock, Gavin Cordon 16 minutes ago

The UK should leave the European single market because the EU has been "pretty unsuccessful", a former governor of the Bank of England has said,

Lord King, who led the Bank for 10 years, warned there are "real question marks" over whether it should seek to remain in the customs union, which might constrain its opportunities to forge new trade deals.

The crossbench peer also acknowledged that Brexit will bring "great political difficulties", but said that there would also be "many opportunities" economically for the UK striking out on its own.

His comments came as it was reported that the billionaire businessman chosen by US President-Elect Donald Trump as his new trade chief has said that Brexit represents a "God-given opportunity" for other countries to take business away from the UK.

Wilbur Ross, the US commerce secretary designate, said Britain was facing a "period of confusion" following the vote to leave the EU and that it was "inevitable" there would be "relocations", according to The Times.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Lord King said it was too early to judge the economic impact of Brexit, despite data since the June 23 referendum being more positive than some economists had predicted.

He said: "I think the challenges we face mean it's not a bed of roses - no-one should pretend that - but equally it is not the end of the world and there are some real opportunities that arise from the fact of Brexit we might take.

"There are many opportunities and I think we should look at it in a much more self-confident way than either side is approaching it at present.

"Being out of what is a pretty unsuccessful European Union - particularly in the economic sense - gives us opportunities as well as obviously great political difficulties."

Lord King said it made no sense for the UK to seek to join Norway as a non-EU member of the single market, which would allow free access for businesses but probably mean accepting freedom of movement of EU citizens.



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And he raised doubts over the merits of remaining within the customs union, which would allow Britain to trade goods without border tariffs, like Turkey, but restrict its ability to strike its own trade deals.

A Turkey-style arrangement would make it "more difficult to take advantage of those opportunities," said Lord King.

"I don't think it makes sense for us to pretend we should remain in the single market and I think there are real question marks about whether it makes sense to remain in the customs union. Clearly if we do that we cannot make our own trade deals with other countries."

Lord King said the Government should outline its policies on immigration "sooner rather than later", arguing that it would be a "mistake" to make them part of the withdrawal negotiations which will be triggered when Theresa May invokes Article 50 of the EU treaties next year.

Mr Ross will be responsible for negotiating a free trade deal with the UK and his reported comments will raise concerns the incoming US administration will seek to exploit Britain's isolation following Brexit.

His remarks were said to have been made to an audience of Cypriot financiers in the days following last June's referendum vote - before he had been appointed to Mr Trump's cabinet.

"I recommend that Cyprus should adopt and immediately announce even more liberal financial service policies than it already has so that it can try to take advantage of the inevitable relocations that will occur during the period of confusion," he is quoted as saying.

He is said to have added that the UK's withdrawal from the EU was a "God-given opportunity" for financial rivals of the City of London, naming Frankfurt and Dublin in particular.

Labour said his comments, should be a "salutary warning" that other countries were ready to take advantage of the UK's vulnerability post-Brexit.

But a Government spokesman sought to play down the report saying: "We will build a relationship with the new administration based on substance not rumour."

Meanwhile, Lord King defended his Bank of England successor Mark Carney against charges that he has been too "political" in warning about the possible economic consequences of leaving the EU.

Mr Carney had been put in an "almost impossible position" but had remained within the Bank of England's remit to outline the possible path of economic growth in the short term should Britain vote to leave the EU, he said.

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Documentary evidence the EEC and EU was designed in 1942 in Berlin by the Nazis
http://www.deliberation.info/what-bbc-wont-tell-you-about-brexit/

EEC & EU as ‘soft-fascist’ German cartel

No single market
We are meant to be operating under the bloc’s Single Market mechanism as an EU member.
The EU describes it as “one territory without any internal borders or other regulatory obstacles to the free movement of goods and services.” It’s basically meant to stimulate competition and trade, improve efficiency, and helps cut prices. We are meant to operate as one. Basically, it only works if all countries are identical and work as a hive, like the Borg in Star Trek. That sounds like a Utopian ideal, and it has not worked at all. At the beginning of September, my colleague Oscar Williams-Grut pointed out that the so-called Single Market has a massive problem – Germany. German manufacturing is a booming behemoth, while almost every other nation bar Greece is at some sort of low. Britain’s manufacturing sector is not he same as it was back in 1950s, and we now depend a lot on imports and exports (I will come to this later). Greece’s rebalancing towards exports has been achieved simply by imports collapsing. All you need to do is take one look at that country and realise there is nothing about that nation that is rebounding at the moment.

At the mercy of Germany

Concerns over the Single Market being a whole load of poppycock are more relevant than ever, especially since the eurozone debt crisis of 2009.
First and foremost, even though we are meant to be part of one big unit, we have no fiscal union to address underperforming areas.
In Britain, for example, London may generate greater amounts of wealth than certain regions in the country. If somewhere like Nottingham was struggling, the money is redistributed to pay for welfare or prop up the local economy. Infrastructure, like new railway lines, could be installed to link cities and create greater connection for people working or looking to expand business. In the EU, we don’t have this. Just look at Greece and the sorry mess it is. Sure, we lend money and force them to gut their country from the inside out, but a loan is not a re-distribution of wealth. Countries that need to devalue their currency to spur exports can’t. The bloc is not a “single” anything.

Destroying national sovereignty

Relinquishing national sovereignty sounds a lot like right-wing hooey, but having a look at how the EU has operated in the worst of times hasn’t resolved any of these concerns.
Sovereignty is meant to be when a state has the absolute power to govern itself, make, execute, and apply laws, and impose and collect taxes.
Of course, being part of a union means we should all technically share that burden and have a say in what laws are enacted, while also making sure others aren’t penalised to the advantage of other nations. It shouldn’t be all bad. Take a look at Greece again. The country has teetered on the brink of collapse so many times, it might as well jump off the cliff. But it can’t because it’s stuck with loans it doesn’t want, that seem near impossible for it to pay back. The one time it did show some semblance of sovereignty or power was at its referendum on the bailout. The public voted against the extremely harsh (and arguably necessary) conditions in exchange for emergency cash. And we all know how that turned out – an utterly pointless exercise. All that happened is that Greece wound up owing its creditors so much that they used it against them in their next round of negotiations.

Renegotiations look impossible
There are a few things that Britons are getting really tired of, and a growing mountain of examples to show how the UK doesn’t really have much of a say in what happens within the bloc.Since 2010, the EU has introduced over 3,500 new laws affecting British business. Business for Britain highlighted in its report in June that the sheer volume of red tape that affects the UK is costing billions.

“The British Chambers of Commerce has shown that the total cost of EU regulation is £7.6 billion per year,” said the report. “Since the Lisbon Treaty came into force in December 2009, it has cost British businesses £12.2 billion in extra regulation.”

“When the UK joined the EU in 1973, we had 20% of the votes. Today we only have 9.5% of the votes. British MEPs voted against 576 EU proposals between 2009 and 2014, but 485 still became law.”

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Who is Who:
The main sponsors of the “Brussels EU”
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/brussels_eu/who_is_who/architects.h tml
Picture of a meeting of Hallstein, Erhard, Westrick, Carstens and von Hase
CE | Brussels | P-002432/00-3 | 19640424
From the beginning, one of the main financiers of the “Brussels EU” was the West German Government. On April 24, 1964, the key architects of the “Brussels EU” – all of them active members of the IG Farben/Nazi coalition during WWII – met at the “Brussels EU” headquarters to stake their claims on the future of the European continent. Apparently they were so sure about their success to take control over Europe in their 3rd attempt, via the “Brussels EU”, that they posed proudly for this picture. The men shown in this picture are:

U Commission President Walter Hallstein – the boss of the “Brussels EU”
German Chancellor Ludwig Erhard
Ludger Westrick, Head of the German Chancellery
Karl Carstens, German Secretary of State for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Karl-Günther von Hase, Head of the Press and Information Service of the German government

The roots of the “Brussels EU”
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/brussels_eu/roots/index.html

Newly discovered documents reveal that the undemocratic structure of the "Brussels EU" has its roots in the post WWII plans of the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition in a conquered Europe.

Following are a few of the most important documents, to be used by teachers, politicians and anyone who is interested in preventing the “Brussels EU” from establishing a dictatorship of corporate interests in Europe.

Reich Chancery memorandum: „Organization of the German Economy“ (July 9, 1940)
Meeting at Reich Economic Ministry: Reorganization of European economy (July 22, 1940)
Walther Funk: The economic reorganization of Europe (July 25, 1940)
Joseph Goebbels: The Europe of the future (September 11, 1940)
Werner Daitz: The reorganization of Europe on a racial and territorial basis (Second half of 1940)
Joachim von Ribbentrop: Speech on the prolongation of the Anti-Comintern Pact (November 26, 1941)
Karl Megerle: "European themes" (prob. Autumn 1941)
Vidkun Quisling: Norway and the Germanic task in Europe (September 25, 1942)
Werner Daitz: Genuine and spurious continental spheres. Laws of Lebensraum. (Second half of 1942)
Joachim von Ribbentrop: European confederation (March 21, 1943)
Joachim von Ribbentrop: Establishment of a “European Committee” (April 5, 1943)
post-war plans of IG Farben
This letter, written by the IG Farben executives to the Nazi government, is particularly important for several reasons:

It outlines the plan of the world’s largest chemical/pharmaceutical cartel, IG Farben, for a Europe under its control.
This letter is a response to the request by the Nazi government to IG Farben for its blueprint for a new economic order in Europe under the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition.
The date of the letter, July 20, 1940, corresponds with the first phase of WWII, where the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition had conquered central and western Europe in Blitzkriegs. In Summer of 1940, after the conquest of France, it seemed only a question of time until the IG Farben/Nazi-flag would flutter over Europe.
It is a highly significant fact that the greatest concern of IG Farben in a subjugated Europe was the new regulation of patent law and its control over the chemical/pharmaceutical markets of Europe via patented products.
This document was also part of the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunals against IG Farben, documented at www.profit-over-life.org

Notiz für den Herrn Reichsaußenminister (September 1939, in German)
Aktenvermerk über die Besprechung in Görings Hauptquartier am 19. Juni 1940 (June 20, 1940, in German)
Gustav Schlotterer über die "Neuordnung Europas" (July 19, 1940, in German)
Versammlung der AO der NSDAP (July 26, 1940, in German)
Léon Degrelle: "Le rôle de la Belgique dans la nouvelle Europa" (October 20, 1940, in French)
Vidkun Quisling: "Denkschrift über die Regelung des Verhältnisses zwischen Norwegen und Deutschland" (October 25, 1940, in German)
Unterredung zwischen dem Reichsaußenminister Joachim von Ribbentrop und dem Admiral Darlan (May 11, 1941, in German)
Martin Bormann: "Nationalsozialistische Zielsetzung in Osteuropa" (July 16, 1941, in German)
Karl Megerle: "Positive Presse- und Propagandathesen" (September 27, 1941, in German)
Aufzeichnung über die Unterredung zwischen dem Führer und dem Grafen Ciano (October 25, 1941, in German)
Hitlers Empfang des finnischen Außenministers Witting (November 28, 1941, in German)
Aufzeichnung über die Unterredung zwischen Reichsmarschall Göring und Marschall Pétain (December 3, 1941, in German)
Ernst Freiherr von Weizsäcker: Tagebuchauszüge (Dec. 1939 - Nov. 1941, in German)
Der niederländische Staat in dem neuen Europa (August 1942, in German)
Baldur von Schirach: Rede anläßlich der Europäischen Jugendtagung in Wien (September 14, 1942, in German)
Joseph Goebbels: "Das neue Europa" (October 4, 1942, in German)
Adolf Hitler: "Verfügung" (November 4, 1942, in German)
Anton Reithinger: Die europäische Wirtschaftskraft bei planvoller Zusammenarbeit (November 13, 1942, in German)
Werner Frauendienst: "Der innere Neuaufbau des Reiches als Beitrag zur europäischen Ordnung" (1942, in German)
Arthur Seiß-Inquart: "Zum 10. Jahrestag der Machtübernahme" (January 29, 1943, in German)
Joseph Goebbels: "Erlaß über die Behandlung der europäischen Völker" (February 15, 1943, in German)
Franz Alfred Six: "Das Europabild des 20. Jahrhunderts" (March 3, 1943, in German)
Wipert von Blücher: "Goebbels "Leitsätze" für die Gestaltung eines Neuen Europas" (March 16, 1943, in German)
Hans Frohwein: "Grundgedanken eines Planes für das neue Europa" (June 7, 1943, in German)
Notiz betreffend die Gründung eines europäischen Staatenbundes (August 1943, in German)
Carl Clodius: "Leitsätze zur wirtschaftlichen Neuordnung Europas" (August 20, 1943, in German)
Notiz für Herrn Reichsaußenminister (November 16, 1943, in German)
"Entwurf zu einer Denkschrift betreffend die Gründung eines Europäischen Staatenbundes" (Autumn 1943, in German)
Adolf Hitler: Rede zum 11. Jahrestag der Machtübernahme (January 30, 1944, in German)
Schlußprotokoll der Arbeitstagung des Arbeitswissenschaftlichen Instituts der Deutschen Arbeitsfront (March 19, 1944, in German)
Herbert Bäcke: "Das Schicksal der europäischen Landwirtschaft" (Juni 29, 1944, in German)
Karl Heinz Pfeffer: "Die europäische Besinnung" (October/December 1944, in German)
Mario Mantovani: "Sull'idea europea. Il nemico numero uno" (May 1940, in Italian)
Alberto De Stefani: "Il riordinamento e la pacificazione dell'Europa" (October 1941, in Italian)
Camillo Pellizzi: "L'idea di Europa" (December 1942, in Italian)
Due lettere di Camillo Pellizzi a Ugoberto Alfassio Grimaldi (August 12 and September 4, 1943, in Italian)
Carlo Borsani: "Scoperta dell'Europa" (June 18, 1944, in Italian)
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Who is Who in the “Brussels EU”: The Main Sponsors
Who is Who in the “Brussels EU”: The “Founding Fathers”
A Europe by the people for the people: No Dictatorship by the Pharmaceutical Cartel for us and our children!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely MINDBLOWING article - survey etc - repeating this from above

Scots prefer post-Brexit UK to independence, poll finds
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/scots-want-stay-part-post -brexit-uk-poll-finds/

The poll's findings suggest that most Scots do not want another referendum on independence despite the EU vote
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A clear majority of Scots want the country to stay part of a post-Brexit UK rather than becoming independent and remaining part of the EU, an opinion poll has found. The results of the survey, carried out a month after the result of the European referendum, calls into question Scotland’s appetite for a re-run of 2014’s vote on independence. “The arguments for Scotland remaining a part of the UK are just as compelling as they were in 2014 – in or out of the EU” Lord Dunlop The YouGov poll found that 46 per cent of Scots would prefer to remain part of a post-Brexit UK, while only 37 per cent favoured of breaking up the Union and being allowed to remain in the EU. The results will be seen as a blow to the SNP’s hopes of securing independence for Scotland following the UK’s decision to leave the EU last month, which came despite 62 per cent of Scots voting to remain.
IndyRef2? Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, warned in the aftermath of the result that a second referendum on Scottish independence was now “highly likely” as voters would be furious at the prospect of being dragged out of the EU against their will. The survey also found that the result of the EU vote has not had much of an impact on people’s opinions on independence, with a majority of people continuing to favour remaining part of the UK. Only 47 per cent said they want Scotland to become an independent country, while 53 per cent want to keep the Union intact, the poll of more than 1,000 Scottish adults found. The survey also showed that more Scots would rather be part of a post-Brexit UK with no access to the EU’s single market than leave the Union to secure continued free trade, with 40 per cent favouring the former scenario and only 34 per cent the latter. “Inevitably, some will suggest that the high-water mark of Scottish independence has now passed, especially as it was thought that leaving the EU might persuade No voters to change their minds and vote against the Union,” said Joe Twyman, YouGov’s head of political and social research. “However, the situation is, naturally, more complicated than that. There remains a great deal of uncertainty about what the UK’s relationship with the EU will look like…once precise details of Brexit are hammered out it could change the whole context of the independence debate.” ‘Divisive constitutional debate’ The Scottish Conservatives said the poll’s findings “completely exposes the SNP’s post-Brexit hyperbole” and called on Ms Sturgeon’s party to “get back to the day job, instead of agitating for yet another independence drive”. Scotland Office Minister Lord Dunlop added that another “divisive constitutional debate” was not want the country wanted. “The arguments for Scotland remaining a part of the UK are just as compelling as they were in 2014 – in or out of the EU,” he said. “The Prime Minister has been very clear that we are going to make a success of Brexit, and the focus now needs to be on collaborative working with the Scottish Government as ‘Team UK’ to ensure the best possible deal for Scotland and the rest of the UK.” However, the SNP pointed out that support for independence had risen since YouGov’s last poll on the subject, suggesting that No voters were reconsidering their views in light of the UK’s decision to leave the EU. “In light of the overwhelming vote to remain in the EU, it is right that the Scottish Government explores every option to protect our relationship with and place in the EU – including the option of another independence referendum if that is what it takes,” said SNP business convener Derek Mackay.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/environment/fears-china-security-m ay-underlie-mays-hinkley-delay/

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If these figures are correct, it is a much higher entry point than the previous referendum. I'd take that. Clearly it's inaccurate because the country has voter fatigue. Their just simply isn't the energy left to even be bothered about another one, even if Serco did rig the last one, or whether lots of obstacles were in the way, i just don't think it would work.
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Theresa May's Brexit speech in full: Prime Minister outlines her 12 objectives for negotiations
Britain is leaving the Single Market but will still cooperate in other areas
Agency Tuesday 17 January 2017
1. Certainty
2. Control of our own laws
3. Strengthen the Union
4. Maintain the Common Travel Area with Ireland
5. Control of immigration
6. Rights for EU nationals in Britain, and British nationals in the EU
7. Protect workers' rights
8. Free trade with European markets
9. New trade agreements with other countries
10. The best place for science and innovation
11. Cooperation in the fight against crime and terrorism
12. A smooth, orderly Brexit
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Brexit and the Battle for Democracy

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The Brexit vote was a blow for democracy, for the people against the establishment. But the backlash against it, from lords to lawyers to MPs to CEOs, proved the fight is only just beginning. In this 20-minute film, Paul Embery, Harsimrat Kaur, Tom Slater, Gisela Stuart and Bruno Waterfield relive the Glorious Referendum, reflect on the history of the struggle for suffrage, and discuss how we can make good on the democratic promise of 23 June. Watch and share!

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EU vetos Deutsche Boerse-London Stock Exchange merger deal
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/deutsche-boerse-lse-merger-plans-0917368 35.html
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ReutersMarch 29, 2017
European Competition Commissioner Vestager holds a news conference after EU antitrust regulators blocked the proposed merger of Deutsche Boerse and the London Stock Exchange, in Brussels
European Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager holds a news conference after EU antitrust regulators blocked the proposed merger of Deutsche Boerse and the London Stock Exchange on Wednesday as expected, saying that the deal would have harmed competition because of the companies' combined market power, in Brussels, Belgium March 29, 2017. REUTERS/Yves Herman

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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - An attempted merger between the German and British stock exchanges was struck down by European regulators on Wednesday, formally ending a deal that unraveled in the wake of Britain's vote to leave the European Union.

"We could not approve this merger on the terms ... proposed," said European Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager, blocking the 29 billion-euro ($31 billion) deal to combine Deutsche Boerse (DB1Gn.DE) and the London Stock Exchange (LSE.L).

A merger would have created Europe's biggest stock exchange. But the European Commission objected, saying the deal, which was the pair's fifth attempt to combine, would have resulted in a monopoly in the processing of bond trades.

Selling MTS, the LSE's Italian fixed income trading platform, would have removed the Commission's concerns but LSE declined to do so.

"How exactly these markets work and the products traded can seem like rocket science," said Vestager. "But actually our competition concerns with this merger are very simple."

"In some markets Deutsche Börse and London Stock Exchange both provide the same services. And in some of these markets they are essentially the only players and the merger would therefore have led to a de facto monopoly."

The EU rejection comes on the day the British government started proceedings for leaving the European Union, a move which industry sources have said undermined the merger plans.

The Brexit decision had prompted German politicians to demand that the headquarters of the exchange group move from London to Frankfurt, creating a conflict that caused the deal to unravel.

Further complicating the picture, German police and prosecutors had opened an investigation into possible insider trading by Deutsche Boerse Chief Executive Carsten Kengeter, the man who was set to lead the combined group.

"It is always the same," said one Deutsche Boerse manager, commenting on the long saga of the two exchanges trying to join together. "Attempt to merge. Fall on your face. Save up money. Next merger attempt. Fall on your face," he said.

While Wednesday's announcement marks the official end of the deal, there was already no hope left that it would go ahead after the LSE took the unusual step last month of saying it would not accede to EU demands that MTS had to be sold if the deal was to be approved.

Shares in the LSE were up 2 percent at 3,085 pence by 1130 GMT on Wednesday, after it announced a share buyback, while shares in Deutsche Boerse were up 1.7 percent at 83.23 euros.


POWER STRUGGLE

The proposed merger threw a spotlight on clearing, whereby stock, bond and derivatives trades are completed, even if one side of the deal goes bust.

The LSE's clearing arm, LCH, is one of the world's biggest, and the exchange had agreed to sell its LCH's Paris arm to French bourse Euronext if the merger went ahead. That sale will now not happen, the LSE said.

This presents a problem for Euronext, which had opposed the tie up of London and Frankfurt, because it uses LCH in Paris to clear its own share trades under a deal that expires next year.

Euronext Chief Executive Stephane Boujnah said on Wednesday that it was still willing to buy the business.

"But in the absence of obtaining an agreement, Euronext is fully committed to securing the best long-term solution for its post-trade activities," Boujnah said.

LCH in London dominates the clearing of euro-denominated derivatives, an activity some EU policymakers want shifted to the euro zone to come under the supervision of the European Central Bank because Britain is leaving the EU.

The bourse merger could have helped by shifting euro clearing to Deutsche Boerse's Eurex arm in Frankfurt. The collapse of the deal may now prompt the European Union to take action to engineer such a shift.


(Additional reporting by Huw Jones in London and Andreas Kroener in Frankfurt; Writing by John O'Donnell; editing by Philip Blenkinsop, Greg Mahlich)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felix Fedre Youtube comment wrote:

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The original creator of the EU was a man named Richard Coudenhove Kalergie. He launched it in the 1920's, under the name, The Pan European Movement.
He was an evil man but he certainly wasn't a National Socialist.
He said in his book, Practical Idealism, "the European race must disappear and be replaced by a negro/Asian race".
He wanted all the Europeans to stop existing no matter where in the world they reside.
His book contains the first use of the idea of"diversity" to target a race of people and destroy it.
Today, European leaders are given the Kalergie award when they have shown particular
zeal in the destruction of their white population through mass immigration for example.
Recent recipients of the award are Tony Blair and Angela Merkel, anyone who doubts this, need only Google the information.
The European Union was created to destroy the European people, Britain have to leave it if we want to survive as a country and more importantly as a people.

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The roots of the “Brussels EU”
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/brussels_eu/roots/index.html

Newly discovered documents reveal that the undemocratic structure of the "Brussels EU" has its roots in the post WWII plans of the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition in a conquered Europe.

Following are a few of the most important documents, to be used by teachers, politicians and anyone who is interested in preventing the “Brussels EU” from establishing a dictatorship of corporate interests in Europe.

Reich Chancery memorandum: „Organization of the German Economy“ (July 9, 1940)
Meeting at Reich Economic Ministry: Reorganization of European economy (July 22, 1940)
Walther Funk: The economic reorganization of Europe (July 25, 1940)
Joseph Goebbels: The Europe of the future (September 11, 1940)
Werner Daitz: The reorganization of Europe on a racial and territorial basis (Second half of 1940)
Joachim von Ribbentrop: Speech on the prolongation of the Anti-Comintern Pact (November 26, 1941)
Karl Megerle: "European themes" (prob. Autumn 1941)
Vidkun Quisling: Norway and the Germanic task in Europe (September 25, 1942)
Werner Daitz: Genuine and spurious continental spheres. Laws of Lebensraum. (Second half of 1942)
Joachim von Ribbentrop: European confederation (March 21, 1943)
Joachim von Ribbentrop: Establishment of a “European Committee” (April 5, 1943)
post-war plans of IG Farben
This letter, written by the IG Farben executives to the Nazi government, is particularly important for several reasons:

It outlines the plan of the world’s largest chemical/pharmaceutical cartel, IG Farben, for a Europe under its control.
This letter is a response to the request by the Nazi government to IG Farben for its blueprint for a new economic order in Europe under the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition.
The date of the letter, July 20, 1940, corresponds with the first phase of WWII, where the IG Farben/Nazi-coalition had conquered central and western Europe in Blitzkriegs. In Summer of 1940, after the conquest of France, it seemed only a question of time until the IG Farben/Nazi-flag would flutter over Europe.
It is a highly significant fact that the greatest concern of IG Farben in a subjugated Europe was the new regulation of patent law and its control over the chemical/pharmaceutical markets of Europe via patented products.
This document was also part of the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunals against IG Farben, documented at www.profit-over-life.org

Notiz für den Herrn Reichsaußenminister (September 1939, in German)
Aktenvermerk über die Besprechung in Görings Hauptquartier am 19. Juni 1940 (June 20, 1940, in German)
Gustav Schlotterer über die "Neuordnung Europas" (July 19, 1940, in German)
Versammlung der AO der NSDAP (July 26, 1940, in German)
Léon Degrelle: "Le rôle de la Belgique dans la nouvelle Europa" (October 20, 1940, in French)
Vidkun Quisling: "Denkschrift über die Regelung des Verhältnisses zwischen Norwegen und Deutschland" (October 25, 1940, in German)
Unterredung zwischen dem Reichsaußenminister Joachim von Ribbentrop und dem Admiral Darlan (May 11, 1941, in German)
Martin Bormann: "Nationalsozialistische Zielsetzung in Osteuropa" (July 16, 1941, in German)
Karl Megerle: "Positive Presse- und Propagandathesen" (September 27, 1941, in German)
Aufzeichnung über die Unterredung zwischen dem Führer und dem Grafen Ciano (October 25, 1941, in German)
Hitlers Empfang des finnischen Außenministers Witting (November 28, 1941, in German)
Aufzeichnung über die Unterredung zwischen Reichsmarschall Göring und Marschall Pétain (December 3, 1941, in German)
Ernst Freiherr von Weizsäcker: Tagebuchauszüge (Dec. 1939 - Nov. 1941, in German)
Der niederländische Staat in dem neuen Europa (August 1942, in German)
Baldur von Schirach: Rede anläßlich der Europäischen Jugendtagung in Wien (September 14, 1942, in German)
Joseph Goebbels: "Das neue Europa" (October 4, 1942, in German)
Adolf Hitler: "Verfügung" (November 4, 1942, in German)
Anton Reithinger: Die europäische Wirtschaftskraft bei planvoller Zusammenarbeit (November 13, 1942, in German)
Werner Frauendienst: "Der innere Neuaufbau des Reiches als Beitrag zur europäischen Ordnung" (1942, in German)
Arthur Seiß-Inquart: "Zum 10. Jahrestag der Machtübernahme" (January 29, 1943, in German)
Joseph Goebbels: "Erlaß über die Behandlung der europäischen Völker" (February 15, 1943, in German)
Franz Alfred Six: "Das Europabild des 20. Jahrhunderts" (March 3, 1943, in German)
Wipert von Blücher: "Goebbels "Leitsätze" für die Gestaltung eines Neuen Europas" (March 16, 1943, in German)
Hans Frohwein: "Grundgedanken eines Planes für das neue Europa" (June 7, 1943, in German)
Notiz betreffend die Gründung eines europäischen Staatenbundes (August 1943, in German)
Carl Clodius: "Leitsätze zur wirtschaftlichen Neuordnung Europas" (August 20, 1943, in German)
Notiz für Herrn Reichsaußenminister (November 16, 1943, in German)
"Entwurf zu einer Denkschrift betreffend die Gründung eines Europäischen Staatenbundes" (Autumn 1943, in German)
Adolf Hitler: Rede zum 11. Jahrestag der Machtübernahme (January 30, 1944, in German)
Schlußprotokoll der Arbeitstagung des Arbeitswissenschaftlichen Instituts der Deutschen Arbeitsfront (March 19, 1944, in German)
Herbert Bäcke: "Das Schicksal der europäischen Landwirtschaft" (Juni 29, 1944, in German)
Karl Heinz Pfeffer: "Die europäische Besinnung" (October/December 1944, in German)
Mario Mantovani: "Sull'idea europea. Il nemico numero uno" (May 1940, in Italian)
Alberto De Stefani: "Il riordinamento e la pacificazione dell'Europa" (October 1941, in Italian)
Camillo Pellizzi: "L'idea di Europa" (December 1942, in Italian)
Due lettere di Camillo Pellizzi a Ugoberto Alfassio Grimaldi (August 12 and September 4, 1943, in Italian)
Carlo Borsani: "Scoperta dell'Europa" (June 18, 1944, in Italian)

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http://www.presstv.com/program/20160622/0623_debate.mp4
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'EU seeks to make an example of Britain to deter others from leaving'
Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:30AM
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/04/30/519986/EU-Britain-Brexit-Ther esa-May-snap-election

European Union leaders unanimously adopted their Brexit strategy at a special summit in Brussels on Saturday, agreeing on the guidelines for the bloc’s negotiations with London. This was the first meeting without the UK since the British premier triggered the exit process a month ago. The EU leaders warned Britain that its exit from the European Union would come at a cost and that London should pay the price for the decision. Press TV has talked to David Ayrton, a member of Britain's Labour Party, and Tony Gosling, an investigative journalist, to discuss the reasons behind the European Union's toughness in dealing with Britain.

Tony Gosling maintains that by adopting an unbendable stance against Britain, the EU leaders intend to make an example of Britain for other European countries that might be planning to follow suit and abandon the bloc’s membership.

“It is not going to be punitive. It seems that they are speaking with a forked tongue at the European Union in Brussels about how they are going to [deal] with this,” Gosling noted.

“I think what is happening right now is that they are dusting off the torture chambers in Brussels,” he continued. “They are preparing to put Britain on the rack. The most important thing to do, from their point of view, is to make an example to other European countries. Particularly this year we have got the French presidential elections, just about to be completed, and we have got German elections coming later on this year. A very strong message needs to be sent for the German political classes, opinion formers, the media, and the people that Britain is going to pay the price for this.”

Gosling further defended Britain’s decision to pull out of the European Union, arguing that the EU political structures, including the European Commission, have been created based on undemocratic procedures.

“What we are removing ourselves from as Brits is the European political structures; that is to say, the European Commission which is appointees-only. This is not democracy. These people are appointed to those jobs. They are failed politicians, not just failed but rejected politicians. People who have been kicked out in democratic elections around Europe find themselves suddenly at the top of the tree politically, drafting new laws in the European Commission,” Gosling commented.

He also censured the performance of the European Parliament which he described as a massive “gravy train” and hailed Britain’s upcoming detachment from the body. “It’s not a parliament really. Because they cannot draft laws in the European Parliament. All they can do is to just delay them. And it ends up being a kind of pointless exercise,” the journalist analyzed.

Gosling also said that it is a good thing to be out of a structure like the European Court of Justice. As a case in point, he referred to one of the most recent decisions made by the court which allows European employers to sack an employee just for wearing a headscarf. They even insist that this is not considered as religious discrimination, he said.


The image shows David Ayrton (L), a member of Britain's Labour Party, and Tony Gosling, an investigative journalist, on Press TV's 'The Debate' show April 30, 2017.
The other panelist on the show, David Ayrton , however suggested that the main motivation behind Britain’s exit from the European Union is economy, and therefore it is better for politicians and the media to concentrate on the economic aspects of the process rather than the democratic deficiencies of the EU.

Ayrton explained that all major institutions, including those of the UK, have important democratic deficits, which highlights the need for a constant process of democratization.

He pointed out that instead of getting involved in all this froth, which is the product of the dominance of the far-right, “serious forces need to concentrate on the question of the economy and full access to the European single market which is [UK’s] main trading partner... And I think that is clearly what the people in Scotland and Northern Ireland voted for when they voted overwhelmingly to stay in the European Union,” Ayrton concluded.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jacob Rothschild, Bilderberg & the Nazis signal Britain may be able to secure 'soft' Brexit & keep open borders
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-may-secure-sof t-eu-withdrawl-european-single-market-theresa-may-david-davis-german-f oreign-a7796721.html

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Davis has ALREADY caved in to EU demands in the Brexit negotiations
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/david-davis-brexit-briefing-live -10649824
The Brexit secretary has agreed to the EU's timetable on talks - but insists it's "consistent" with the Article 50 letter

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a fan of Bruges Group but Associate membership could be what they're after?

Jean-Claude Juncker will issue a white paper in 2017 outlining the need for a new Treaty, which is highly likely to follow the plans set out in the ‘A Fundamental Law’ paper.



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