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ESCHATOLOGY IN THE 21ST CENTURY : INTERFAITH AND COMPARITIVE PERSPECTIVES

As we are going deeper and deeper into another space time consciousness.
I am pleased on behalf of Global Vision 2000 to share new directions on our work.

Watch out for the post this evening as it is a declaration of where we are at and where we are heading as the human species. Laughing

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GLOBAL VISION 2000 ROUNDTABLE

ESCHATOLOGY IN THE 21ST CENTURY : INTERFAITH AND COMPARITIVE PERSPECTIVES


Saturday April 2 2016 AD/ 1437 AH

London


SETTING THE SCENE

The crisis of global human civilisation has been encapsulated and documented by various global institutions, writers, thinkers to date from different religious and ideological perspectives. Given the convergence of a multiplicity of crises especially environmental, ecological, political and economic and the growing momentum towards a WW3 it was deemed essential to look over the horizon by stepping into the past and understand, clarify, contrast what the different faith and secular traditions had to say on the subject of eschatology. The status of this topic is fragmented in officialdom and subject to different interpretations and sharp divisions at an intrafaith level. Yet the subject matter has always been there and holds a powerful hold on the imagination of billions globally. Also with the seemingly demise of secular ideologies such as capitalist and communist orientation there is a rise in end time apocalyptic movements from different traditions seeking solutions outwith conventional party politics and manifestoes. There is also evidence that the powers that be have been tapping into this and manipulating these tendencies for their own ends. In order to deal comprehensively with this theme there is a need for an interdisciplinary approach as it covers theology, religious history, current affairs, politics and economics. It deals with end time, global hope and salvation, heroes and villains, conflict and peace as well as understanding the Deep State, the Occult , NWO and the Age of Propaganda and Deceit.

Eschatology is defined as part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity. This concept is commonly referred to as the "end of the world" or "end time". The word arises from the Greek words meaning "last" and "the study of", first used in English around 1550. The Oxford English Dictionary defines eschatology as "The department of theological science concerned with ‘the four last things: death, judgment, heaven and hell’. In the context of mysticism, the phrase refers metaphorically to the end of ordinary reality and reunion with the Divine. In many religions it is taught as an existing future event prophesied in sacred texts or folklore. More broadly, eschatology may encompass related concepts such as the Messiah or Messianic Age, the end time, and the end of days.

History is often divided into "ages" (aeons), which are time periods each with certain commonalities. One age comes to an end and a new age or world to come, where different realities are present, begins. When such transitions from one age to another are the subject of eschatological discussion, the phrase, "end of the world", is replaced by "end of the age", "end of an era", or "end of life as we know it". Much apocalyptic fiction does not deal with the "end of time" but rather with the end of a certain period of time, the end of life as it is now, and the beginning of a new period of time. It is usually a crisis that brings an end to current reality and ushers in a new way of living, thinking, or being. This crisis may take the form of the intervention of a deity in history, a war, a change in the environment, or the reaching of a new level of consciousness. Most modern eschatology and apocalypticism, both religious and secular, involve the violent disruption or destruction of the world; whereas Abrahamic eschatologies view the end times as the consummation or perfection of God's creation of the world. In which the world began with God and is constantly headed toward God’s final goal for creation, which is the world to come. Eschatologies vary as to their degree of optimism or pessimism about the future. In some eschatologies, conditions are better for some and worse for others.


AIMS

Questions to be addressed-

What is the nature, sources and beliefs of eschatology in the eschaton of Judaism, Christianity and Islam and other traditions?

Are there any commonalities and what are the differences?

What are the implications of eschatology for Human civilisation and World Justice and Peace?

How is this impacting these communities of faith and secularism in terms of preparedness? In terms of agreement, consensus and strategic planning.

Is eschatology being manipulated in the Age of Deceit by the powers that be and how to redress this ?


ETHOS

The Roundtable is envisaged to be a means of bringing leading independent thinkers for Informal discussions of problems to create a better understanding of the ideas, forces and trends affecting humanity. Through direct exchanges to clear up differences and misunderstandings that might weaken peaceful human co-existence. Presentations of upto 30
minutes in duration will be given and all speakers are expected to participate in the all day event in order to create understanding. There will be no strict rules of procedure governing the meeting in order that a relaxed, informal atmosphere conducive to free and frank discussion is facilitated. The Roundtable in no sense a policymaking body. There is no voting and no attempt to reach or adopt resolutions. All individuals are pre-screened and invited in a personal capacity . An invitation only event for individuals who have a track record of research and/or advocacy on the principle of primus inter pares.

The initial stage of this process will be on an interfaith and secularist traditions only event and this stage will exclude any Government, IGO or Banking, Corporate/MNC or mainstream media perspectives.


AGENDA

ESCHATOLOGY IN THE 21ST CENTURY : INTERFAITH AND COMPARITIVE PERSPECTIVES



MORNING SESSION

INTRODUCTION Global Vision 2000 Moeen Yaseen


SECULAR PERSPECTIVES

ZIONIST UTOPIA Ministry of Peace Dr.James Thring

JERUSALEM, BLAKE AND THE ANGLOSAXON TRADITION
Big Blake Project Rachel Searle

GLOBAL STRUCTURAL ELITE Criticalthinking.org Clive Menzies


DISCUSSION



CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVES

Christian Council of Monetary Justice Dr.Simon Mouatt

World Vision Chawkat Moucarry



AFTERNOON SESSION

ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVES

Islamic Party of GB Daud Pidcock

Hizb al Tahrir Yahya Nisbet

Khoei Foundation Seyed Jaafar Milani standing in for Ayatollah Dr.Milani




CONCLUSION (TO BE CONTINUED)
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BEHIND THE HEADLINES
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Moeen Yaseen Global Vision 2000 and Clive Menzies Critical Thinking on the Current Affairs programme Behind the Headlines on Ahlulbayt Satllite Tv channel on Friday 22 July 2016 2000- 2130 http://ahlulbayt.tv/live/

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Imran Hosein 2016 : Biggest Armies in WW3

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Well the Bible says its less than 99% to die - we'll see
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GLOBAL VISION 2000 CONFERENCE ON ESCHATOLOGY IN THE 21ST CENTURY: INTERFAITH AND COMPARITIVE PERSPECTIVES

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ESCHATOLOGY IN THE 21ST CENTURY : INTERFAITH AND COMPARITIVE PERSPECTIVES

http://www.globalvision2000.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=975


AKHIR AZ ZAMAN AN INTRODUCTION

Akhir Az Zaman or end times is the science and knowledge of end times. This is essential research and viewing and is in the process of being arranged chronologically to cover all suitable and appropriate videos available on the internet to date.

ISLAM AND THE END OF HISTORY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-dpaqXEKK0


HAMZA YUSUF SIGNS END OF DAYS -2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8JQqXf-Jv8

ISLAMIC ESCHATOLOGY
Daud Pidcock on EAST AND WEST LEVANT TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms3Robb9aAQ

DAJJAL AND SYMBOLISM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q7JLhoWPh0


GOG AND MAGOG IN THE MODERN WORLD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDLwGaJRto8


DAJJAL THE ANTICHRIST - MYSTERY BEHIND RISE OF BRITAIN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7X1XOV0TN0

BRITAIN: ISLAND OF ANTICHRIST- DAJJAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lg-XsMCyQM


THE ISLAND OF DAJJAL - THE ANTI-CHRIST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXO1g7Wc8o


MADINA RETURNS CENTRE STAGE IN END TIMES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRdJikzQwm4

THE CONQUEST OF CONSTANTINOPLE IN AKHIRULZAMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XbSAYv2oBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzLBvQtroTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8CyZYO9G28

CONSTANTINOPLE AND HER DRAMATIC ROLE IN END TIMES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SwoPCEdIWU

JERUSALEM IN THE QURAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGac5JoNnG0

lLLUMINATI EXPOSED 2014 : END OF TIMES AND WW3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLWnw33xvxE

SECRET SOCIETIES & THE END TIME PROPHECIES
http://www.imranhosein.org/video/85-sign...-2012.html

KHIDR AND AKHIR UZ ZAMAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxXveEztN8

WISDOM OF KHIDR
http://www.theislamictube.com/wisdom-of-...c9c2e.html

ISLAM, UN AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeqn1L275Tk

RIVER EUPHRATES: A MOUNTAIN OF GOLD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu-eghM0Cd0

THE ROLE OF BANKING IN OPPRESSION AND THE HOLY LAND
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Owu4HhL0iU

THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY SYSTEM AND THE FUTURE OF MONEY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8JhmQ73Vq8

THE PROHIBITION OF INTEREST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyVR-apZJk

THE 3RD WORLD ANNUAL CONFERENCE ON RIBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOnpuGpBUUw


WW3

ISIS - WHY THE US AND ISRAEL ORIGINALLY SUPPORTED THEM!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCOFSS9WoXA

THE BIG WAR IS COMING AND WHAT TO DO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPLpHqzipKY

MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION AND THE COMING WORLD WAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd5q6oroWSI

DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD , EMERGENCE OF DAJJAL AND RISE OF IMAM MEHDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBffFN8b0fk

ISLAMIC ESCHATOLOGICAL EXPLANATION OF MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI8bdIipDqk

WW3 IS NEAR AS EGYPT RETURNED TO THE AGE OF PHAROAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhFj3s5O_-U

WW3 RUSSIA SYRIA AND END TIMES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9e9CWjaEds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zO_8lH4lwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wxISR9bsFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6I6I35EMB4

ISLAM, RUSSIA AND CRIMEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadkPvPTooo

ISIS UKRAINE RUM SITUATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZl0Xbm1Z-A

DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN EMPIRE , RUSSIA AND UK ,ISRAEL NEW SUPER POWER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ate1fVVwg4

END TIME DESTRUCTION OF ARABS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbj4uqvbM7M

AN ISLAMIC RESPONSE TO THE IMMINENT ZIONIST ATTACK ON IRAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93bHhM2y1wg

DAJJAL, PAKISTAN, INDIA AND ISRAEL WW3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBRRpbPw

THE SHIA, SUNNI AND AKHIRULZAMAN
http://video.sachinindia.com/watch/m7LGo...osein.html

MYSTERIOUS TRANSFORMATION OF MUSLIM WORLD IN PAST 100 YEARS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrRID3Caf5



IMAM MAHDI

IMAM MAHDI AND THE END TIME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8_DGU4JnOU

IMAM AL MAHDI and THE RETURN OF THE ISLAMIC KHILAFAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Vkvypi-C8


THE PROPHESIED MAHDI
Shaykh Ibrahim Osi-Efa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmkcqv70y50

WHERE SHALL THE MAHDI APPEAR FROM ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpXmCxj3_k

THE MAHDI SHALL COME FROM MADINA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYmVp0tU3xA



THE RETURN OF NABI ISA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oHxB58QMj8


ARMAGEDDON, IMAM MAHDI AND JESUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnwB4agN7Q


THE EMERGENCY OF PROPHECY : THE BLACK FLAGS FROM KHURASAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJknGtKV34I

HADITH OF BLACK FLAGS FROM KHORASAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enxMKVEI0_w


BLACK FLAGS THE BATTLE OF KHURASAN ᴴᴰ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9iDbkR3kU8

THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF IMAM MAHDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrMeZ8rbxts

HOW THE KHILAFAH WAS DESTROYED AND HOW IT SHALL RETURN INSHALLAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTHNr_8uNrw


BURIAL OF SAUDI KING ABDULLAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfnCLpBTwXg

PLUNGING OIL PRICE AND RUSSIAN RUBLE IS START OF WORLD WAR 3 BY DAJJAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xrllkm0jz4

IRAQ SYRIA WAR PUSHING THE WORLD TO 3rd WORLD WAR IN 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPUYU2C8ww


END OF HUMAN RACE, MOST VICIOUS WORLD WAR 3 COMING SOON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaqdmLQ2DcU


END TIMES NUCLEAR WAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMEIYiAr5so

ARMAGEDDON WILL CAUSE 40 DAY COMPLETE DARKNESS THROUGH NUCLEAR CLOUDS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y0pYHfHPvA

MOST BRUTAL AND DESTRUCTIVE WORLD WAR 3 IS NEAR AND POST APOCALYPSE WORLD

Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4oPzyYzGs


THE MALHAMA AND THE WORLD THEREAFTER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk12q4s0JK8


THE RETURN OF JESUS ( AS) AT THE END OF TIMES AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TULPaI7aY24








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ESCHATOLOGY IN THE 21ST CENTURY:
INTERFAITH AND COMPARITIVE PERSPECTIVES


Saturday 3 December 2016 AD/ 1438 AH

Imam Khoei Islamic Centre
Chevening Road, London NW6 6TN


GLOBAL VISION 2000 CONFERENCE
in association with


THE AL-KHOEI FOUNDATION

ASSOCIATION OF BRITISH MUSLIMS

CO-FAITH COUNCIL OF MONETARY JUSTICE

OXFORD CENTRE OF ISLAMIC INFORMATION




SETTING THE SCENE


The crisis of global human civilisation has been encapsulated and documented by various global institutions, writers, thinkers to date from different religious and ideological perspectives. Given the convergence of a multiplicity of crises especially environmental, ecological, political and economic and the growing momentum towards a WW3 it was deemed essential to look over the horizon by stepping into the past and understand, clarify, contrast what the different faith and secular traditions had to say on the subject of eschatology. The status of this topic is fragmented in officialdom and subject to different interpretations and sharp divisions at an intrafaith level. Yet the subject matter has always been there and holds a powerful hold on the imagination of billions globally. Also with the seemingly demise of secular ideologies such as capitalist and communist orientation there is a rise in end time apocalyptic movements from different traditions seeking solutions outwith conventional party politics and manifestoes. There is also evidence that the powers that be have been tapping into this and manipulating these tendencies for their own ends. In order to deal comprehensively with this theme there is a need for an interdisciplinary approach as it covers theology, religious history, current affairs, politics and economics. It deals with end time, global hope and salvation, heroes and villains, conflict and peace as well as understanding the Deep State, the Occult , NWO and the Age of propaganda and deceit.

Eschatology is defined as part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity. This concept is commonly referred to as the "end of the world" or "end time". The word arises from the Greek words meaning "last" and "the study of", first used in English around 1550. The Oxford English Dictionary defines eschatology as "The department of theological science concerned with ‘the four last things: death, judgment, heaven and hell’. In the context of mysticism, the phrase refers metaphorically to the end of ordinary reality and reunion with the Divine. In many religions it is taught as an existing future event prophesied in sacred texts or folklore. More broadly, eschatology may encompass related concepts such as the Messiah or Messianic Age, the end time, and the end of days.

History is often divided into "ages" (aeons), which are time periods each with certain commonalities. One age comes to an end and a new age or world to come, where different realities are present, begins. When such transitions from one age to another are the subject of eschatological discussion, the phrase, "end of the world", is replaced by "end of the age", "end of an era", or "end of life as we know it". Much apocalyptic fiction does not deal with the "end of time" but rather with the end of a certain period of time, the end of life as it is now, and the beginning of a new period of time. It is usually a crisis that brings an end to current reality and ushers in a new way of living, thinking, or being. This crisis may take the form of the intervention of a deity in history, a war, a change in the environment, or the reaching of a new level of consciousness. Most modern eschatology and apocalypticism, both religious and secular, involve the violent disruption or destruction of the world; whereas Abrahamic eschatologies view the end times as the consummation or perfection of God's creation of the world. In which the world began with God and is constantly headed toward God’s final goal for creation, which is the world to come. Eschatologies vary as to their degree of optimism or pessimism about the future. In some eschatologies, conditions are better for some and worse for others.



AIMS

Questions to be addressed-

What is the nature, sources and beliefs of eschatology in the eschaton of Judaism, Christianity and Islam and other traditions?

Are there any commonalities and what are the differences?

What are the implications of eschatology for Human civilisation and World Justice and Peace?

How is this impacting these communities of faith and secularism in terms of preparedness?
In terms of agreement, consensus and strategic planning.

Is eschatology being manipulated in the Age of Deceit by the powers that be and how to redress this ?

Role of Jerusalem in eschaton

ETHOS

The conference is envisaged to be a means of bringing leading independent thinkers for discussion of problems to create a better understanding of the ideas, forces and trends affecting humanity. Through direct exchanges to clear up differences and misunderstandings
that might weaken peaceful human co-existence. Presentations will be given and all speakers are expected to participate in the all day event in order to create a mosaic of understanding.

There will be no strict rules of procedure governing the conference in order that a relaxed, atmosphere conducive to free and frank discussion is facilitated. In no sense is it a policymaking body. There is no voting and no attempt to reach or adopt resolutions. All individuals are invited in a personal capacity. An invitation only event for individuals who have a track record of research or advocacy on the principle of primus inter pares. The initial stage of this process will be on an interfaith and secularist traditions only event.


AGENDA

REGISTRATION 0900 0930


MORNING SESSION 0930-1300


Human civilisation in crisis video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSWrFKmV9c0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB0GLclm_1c

Khilafate’s dismemberment and Islamic civilisation in crisis video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYv7jd7sb-I



Welcome Khoei Foundation

Introduction Global Vision 2000

Eschatology and the end of history Dr. Yaqub Zaki

Future of the Middle East Shaikh Dr.Ramzy


Coffee break


Global structural elite Clive Menzies

Secret societies in prophecy, Biblical icons and mainstream media
Tony Gosling

Q & A session

Lunch 1300-1400



AFTERNOON SESSION
1400-1700


Islamic perspectives : Daud Pidcock

Ayatollah Milani


Coffee Break


Christian perspectives

Literal hermeneutics of the Christian interpretation of end times and Christian Zionism Dr.Simon Mouatt

Rev.Nadim Nassar


Q & A session

CONCLUSION


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Conference held at Imam Khoei Islamic Centre: “Eschatology in the 21st century: interfaith and comparative perspectives”
December 6, 2016
http://en.shafaqna.com/news/40380

SHAFAQNA – Global Vision 2000 the independent UK Islamic think tank held a special one day conference on, “ Eschatology in the 21st century: interfaith and comparative perspectives” at the Imam Khoei Islamic centre in London.

In terms of its work on moving towards the Universal paradigm shift leading British Shia, Sunni, Christian and secular scholars, theologians, academics and political activists presented their research on various aspects of eschatology.

The event enabled perspectives from the disciplines of theology, history, political economy, geopolitics, peace, interfaith and future studies to be articulated publicly for the first time.

These included Dr.Yaqub Zaki, Shaikh Dr. Ramzy, Clive Menzies,Tony Gosling, Ayatollah Milani, Daud Pidcock, Reverend Nadim Nassar and Dr.Simon Mouatt.

In this conference Ayatollah Milani spoke about “The End of Time, Prosperity or Destruction?”

In his paper Ayatollah Milani differentiated between two stages: Before emergence of Al Mahdi a.s and after that significant event.

As for the period before the appearance of al Mahdi a.s. the following signs have been mentioned:

Wars/destruction/huge number of people will perish as a result of war. Some ahadith mention that two third will perish and one third will survive White death and red death. The first one refers to contagious disease spreading rapidly, in the past it was mainly plague, now a days many other diseases are known. Red death refers to bloodshed
The approach of black flags from the East. In the past it was interpreted for Abbasid density and nowadays ISIS try to interpret it in their favor
Dissipation of established moral convictions.
Logic and wisdom being suppressed by whims and desires.
As for the period after the appearance of Imam Mahdi a.s. Ayatollah Milani mentioned the following:

World will witness justice in every aspect of life.
Whims and desires will be controlled by wisdom and divine guidance
Enhancement of intellectual abilities
No poverty seen anywhere
Disappearance of clash of interests. Harmony and peaceful co-existence will govern
Emergence of Imam Mahdi will coincide with the descent of Jesus.
The framework to explore eschatology in the 21st century was approached
from an interdisciplinary, interfaith and comparative basis which lays the foundations for further research, study, contemplation and action.

Moeen Yaseen the Managing Director of Global Vision 2000 stated that “eschatology is a science and we can only see the contemporary world from eschatological perspective”.

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TONY GOSLING INTERVIEW WITH MOEEN YASEEN ON ISLAMIC ESCHATOLOGY AND THE KHILAFATE
on January 11 2017

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BEING HOPEFUL AND INVOLVED
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THE BIG QUESTION
THE ISLAMIC STATE: HOW SHOULD MUSLIMS RESPOND?


Ahlulbayt TV interviews Global Vision 2000 with Moeen Yaseen

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BETTER DAYS PLEASE RESPONSIBILITY STAND TALL


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USA NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS ADMIT TURKEY COUP

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While the Obama Administration and the CIA officially cling to the fig leaf lie that US intelligence was innocent of any involvement in the failed July 15 coup d’ etat attempt by the CIA-run Fethullah Gülen organization in Turkey, the truth is coming out from senior US intelligence insiders themselves. It reflects a huge internal faction struggle within US leading circles in what by all accounts is shaping to be the most bizarre Presidential election year in American history.

The first admission that US intelligence had their hand in the anti-Erdogan coup, a coup launched just days after Erdogan announced a major strategic shift away from NATO and towards Russia, came from Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski is one of the most senior members of the US intelligence establishment, a former Obama Presidential adviser and former National Security Council architect of the Jimmy Carter 1979 Mujahideen Afghanistan terror operations against the Soviet forces in that country.

In a Twitter tweet from his own blog, Brzezinski wrote a precis of a new article he wrote for The American Interest magazine. He writes, “The US backing of the attempted coup against the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was a grave mistake that could deliver a major blow to the US reputation.” That’s definitely putting it mildly given what’s unfolding in Turkey since July 15.

Brzezinski went on to write, “Turkey was on the verge of reconsidering its foreign policy after failure in the Syria during the last five years, and the US miscalculation in supporting the coup and hosting its leader (Fethullah Gülen, now in CIA-arranged exile in Pennsylvania-w.e.) was so serious that it is no longer possible to put the blame on once-US-ally Turkey if it turns its back on US and rethink (sic) its policies.” He continues, “A potential Russia-Turkey-Iran coalition would create an opportunity to solve the Syrian crisis. If Erdogan had the smallest bit of wisdom, he should have come to the understanding that he could not make an independent credibility with the help of some ‘decayed’ Arab countries,” no doubt referring to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the prime financiers of the Syrian terror war against Assad since 2011.

Brzezinski, who together with Henry Kissinger was one of the foremost US foreign policy strategists of the postwar period, the founding Executive Director of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission, and one who still today presumably retains Top Secret clearance access to US intelligence reports, was expressing his fury at the utter incompetence of US intelligence in managing the Turkey relationship. Notably, the person in the US State Department directly responsible for not only the disastrous US coup in February, 2014 in Ukraine, but also for Turkey, is the hapless neo-con perpetual warrior-ess, Victoria “* the EU” Nuland, wife of neo-con Robert Kagan.

Brzezinski’s candid critique was followed up by an even more detailed expose of US intelligence ties to Fethullah Gülen, charged by the Turkish government with treason and backing the July 15 coup. In a guest article in the EU online mgazine EurActiv.com dated 17 August, 2016, Arthur H. Hughes confirms the intimate links between Gülen and the CIA, noting that “Gülen fled to the US with the assistance of the diplomat Morton Abramovitz, CIA agents Graham Fuller and George Fidas, and the above-mentioned Fr. Alexander Karloutsos.”

Gülen CIA friend Bartholomew I

Hughes’ article is a bombshell in many respects, and most definitely in his detailing of the intimate ties between the CIA, Gülen and the current Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, current Archbishop of Constantinople and Ecumenical Patriarch. Hughes described the above-mentioned Father Alexander Karloutsos:

“…one of the members of the American-Israeli lobby in the Constantinople Patriarchate is Father Alexander Karloutsos, Public Affairs Officer close to Archbishop Demetrios (of America-w.e.). Thanks to his ties with high-level officials and Greek-American billionaires, he is basically the only person who controls the money flows from the US to the Phanar (the Greek Orthodox part of Istanbul-w.e.), and that gives him wide possibilities of exerting pressure upon the Ecumenical Patriarchate. On the other hand, Karloutsos is also in good relations with former CIA Director George Tenet, and with the preacher Fethullah Gülen cooperating with the American intelligence.”

George Tenet, a close ally of the Clinton political machine is a Greek-American former head of CIA during the time of Bill Clinton and also George W. Bush. The Clintons are both on record praising Fethullah Gülen. It seems to be a cozy network of CIA-Gülen-Constantinople Patriarchate-Clintons, all financed with “money from Greek-American billionaires.”

Arthur H. Hughes is not a casual commentator on events in Turkey and the Middle East. He was US Ambassador to Yemen in the 1990’s during the Clinton Presidency, then Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs. He also served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Near East and South Asia, and was Deputy Chief of Mission in Tel Aviv. His linking of Gülen to the CIA and to the Constantinople Patriarchate points to one of the least-public and most influential covert CIA-run networks in the world, the anti-Moscow Orthodox Patriarchate of Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople. Hughes suggests that if Erdogan and the Turkish government are serious about dealing with future coup threats, they should put the Constintanople Patriarchate under the magnifying glass.

As I’ve documented in my book, The Lost Hegemon: Whom the gods would destroy, Graham E. Fuller and George Fidas, both decades-long senior CIA officials managed to secure an extraordinary permanent residence in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, over the loud formal objections of the US State Department, in 1999, when Gülen was about to be charged by the Turkish authorities for inciting treason.

Most recently, Fuller felt compelled to write on his blog that, indeed he did help Gülen obtain a US green card, but that no, Gülen was not behind the failed July 15 coup. However Turkish reports place Fuller and another senior CIA ally, Henri J. Barkey, at a luxury hotel on one of the Princes’ Islands in the Sea of Marmara, some twenty minutes from Istanbul the night of the failed coup. In a subsequent appearance at a Washington think tank forum held by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a neo-con address whose chairman is former CIA director, neo-con James Woolsey III, Barkey and his host tried to make a feeble joke about his presence in Istanbul the night of the coup and his ties to Gülen.

For once, Brzezinski is right.

The CIA-Gülen coup d’etat attempt to topple Erdogan after his turn towards rapprochement with Moscow was “a grave mistake.” The consequences, aside from a massive crackkdown on Gülen networks and media inside Turkey, include an open dialogue of Erdogan and the Turkish government of Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım with Russia and now with Iran, about a “solution” to the Syrian war that would include Bashar al-Assad as at least a transition figure.

The Erdogan pivot East since the failed CIA coup has forced the Pentagon to quietly remove its nuclear warheads from Turkey’s Incirlik airbase near the Syrian border to Romania. At the same time, Turkey’s Prime Minister on August 20 stated to the media that Russia could possibly use Turkey’s Incirlik Airbase if necessary, something that certainly produced more acute gas pains in Langley, Foggy Bottom (the more than fitting name for the US State Department headquarters), and the Obama White House.

July 15 may go down in history as one of the most decisive defeats of American global power projection, of the so-called New World Order of David Rockefeller and friends. If so, not a minute too soon for the prospect of a more peaceful world.

F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”



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WORLD WAR WAR III IS ALREADY UNDER WAY
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THE COMING WAR ON CHINA
Thom talks with author and filmmaker John Pilger about his new documentary “The Coming War On China” and the military escalation that could lead World War III.

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AND THEN WHAT ??????????????

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MARTYRS DEFENDING ISLAMIC SOVEREIGNTY AND SACRIFICED IN THE GWOT IN FORMER AND END TIMES ARE AMONGST THE ETERNAL LIVING


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CALIPH OF ISLAM AMIR AL MUMININ SULTAN ABDULHAMID II
LAST KHALIFAH ABDULHAMID II RH┇TRIBUTE
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THE CALIPH - Part 1: FOUNDATION
THE CALIPH - Part 2: DIVISION
THE CALIPH - Part 3: DECLINE
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MORAL, IDEOLOGICAL AND POLITICAL CRISIS OF THE WEST
Tuesday, 14th March 2017

Open Discussions/ Gulf Cultural Club

http://gcclub.org/?p=26950


Moeen Yaseen Chairperson

Prof Ziauddin Sardar *

Clive Hambidge**

Catherine Shakdam***


Chairman, Moeen Yaseen: Last year Global Vision organised a think tank along the same lines but we did not call it the moral, ideological and political crisis – we called it Global Vision 2000 Conference on Eschatology in the 21st Century: Interfaith and Comparative Perspectives. We were looking at the same issues.

A little background. The last time I chaired a meeting here must have been during the crash. The meeting was held at the Kings Cross venue. Are we heading for something big again in the West just now – we shall see.

Just a few comments from my side to set the scene. Since WW2, if we were to take that as a kick off point, obviously in the West we have seen the collapse of communism, the Iron Curtain and the Cold War which led to a unipolar world. That more or less coincided with Gulf War I or II – it depends on how you classify the Iran-Iraq war and the war with Kuwait. So at that time Fukayama referred to the triumphalism and the end of history. Then you have Professor Huntington’s thesis on the end of history and the clash of civilisations.

It has been almost 25 years since then. Have we come full circle and what is the nature of the current malaise that we are seeing. The flyer states: Recent developments in the Western hemisphere have raised concerns among thinkers and ideologues about the state of Western world. From the inflated refugee saga to the Trump phenomenon and the rise of the far right, terms like Apocalypse, Armageddon, Third World War and civilisational collapse suddenly resembled reality lowering the threshold of fear among the “wise” men and women. What is adding to the worry is that those phenomena are embraced by large proportions of the Western societies. This is likely to entrench social, cultural and religious polarisation to unprecedented levels. This seminar is an attempt to contribute to the discourse on the looming Western crisis.

There is no reference to Islam or Islamophobia which is central to this crisis to some extent. So this seminar today is another shot to contribute to the discourse on this crisis and its nature. I don’t think we are going to do justice to it but it is timely and relevant.

Catherine Shakdam: If you look at the constructs Islam has been pitted in terms of the East versus the West or Islam versus the Judeo Christian world. We have been sold the clash of civilisations. I find this very interesting because I do not believe we have a clash of civilisations. What we have is Western constructs: this idea that Western culture and civilisation and the way in which the West understands its culture and identity is better than that of others. So what you have is a very bad case of exceptionalism with ethno centrism.

What I find very interesting is that a lot of the time when we have religious debates Islam somehow sits in a position of vindication of Western values. What we do quite get is that the media and politicians and governments and think tanks and many others have tried to tell the world about what they perceive as Islam. But it is not Islam because they do not understand what Islam is. What they are looking at is cultural Islam.

So when they look at the Islamic world they see culture and they see ethnicity. What they are trying to do is a latent form of imperialism and neo colonialism. They try to own a country’s ideology and direct its tradition and make sure that they bow to the Western dogma and try to abide by Western rules.

It is important we understand this because when they talk about Islamophobia and Muslim radicalism and how it is endangering national security they have to fight someone. What they are really talking about is cultural Marxism. What they are really talking about is assimilation.

The EU has just passed a law demanding that Muslim women be forced to take off the hijab because it goes against secularism. We need to understand that this is not just an attack on Islam and the idea of religion and religious freedom. In fact people now in Western society in this kind of uber liberalism are not allowed to think for themselves and they have to comply and conform to what the state dictates. That to me is the very definition of cultural Marxism. People are being asked to negate and to deny who they are and what they believe so that the state can control them and devise a new identity.

So when we talk about the West versus the East or Islam versus the Judeo Christian world this is really what we are talking. We are really talking about the negation of identity and the simple fact that Islam professes freedom and individualism in the sense that people have the right to critical thinking and the right to chose for themselves the right to be who they want to be and those rights are actually protected. You absolutely have the right to chose for yourself and in religion there is no compulsion. They are trying to denying us this.

That is the first point I wanted to make. I am tired of people trying to frame this clash of civilisations as if one civilisation is better than the other and that is not the case. People are entitled to their faith and their culture and their traditions. We do not have to agree with them but at least accept that they are entitled to them.

When you see for example what is happening in Bahrain, what is happening in Yemen or Iraq and Syria and you see how Wahabism is trying to remap and to redefine what his acceptable culturally this is exactly what the West is doing today. But it is doing it under a different name of national security and counter terrorism. But the nature of this is the same where we have a form of fascism that is very dangerous. How can you deny people their right to their identity and who they are and you are basically calling for the worse kind of enslavement because that leads to cultural genocide.

We think there is a line between liberalism and Wahabism. We think they are polar opposities but they are actually quite similar in their constructs in that they both take some form of moral high ground in order to justify a very violent and dogmatic political construct.

So if people talk about clashes let us talk about those clashes because they are against all of us and they are trying to obliterate all those who stand against them. I think more than ever today when we have discussions on religious rights and how people should behave in the public sphere and how they should divorce God from the public sphere we have to realise that whether we are talking about liberalism or Wahabism we are talking about the same phenomenon. We need to be careful and mindful of the fact that religion in not a nationality, it is just a belief system and it is supposed to transcend nationalism and to unite people on a different level or to a different degree and to promote tolerance. A lot of the time now the media and government associates religion with violence and a form of dogmatism and religion is not that unless you understand Wahabism as a religion but I would reject that.

Another point I want to raise is about the refugee crisis because it has been used to fuel this kind of dichotomy between east versus west and this idea that we have to hate the other, we have to exclude the other and live in a state of exclusion.

I am not sure that you will agree with me but I am still going to say it: the refugee crisis has been used as an asymmetrical weapon of war in that the pain of the Syrian, Iraqi, Yemini and Bahraini people all those people who ran for their lives because they had no choice and lost everything – their pain has been used as a political tool to actually sell racism and xenophobia.

We need to understand the demographics. If you look at Turkey and the refugee crisis you see women and children and you see families. When you look at the arrivals in Europe you need to see that the demography changes to single men. You have less women and less children. We need to ask ourselves why it is that a certain demographic of refugees has been bottlenecked into Europe to spread violence. We are talking about crimes. We are talking about rape and murder and of course it is all being linked back to Islam.

People are making the case that Islam is of course a negation of Western values. We need to do something against Islam, we need to reform Islam. We need to do all these things and to make sure that for the love of God Muslims become less Muslim and more cultural Muslim. They should not pray too hard or pray too loud because it bothers people – it bothers the Western liberals because they do not want people to have a strong identity. They do not want people to be independent full stop. They do not want people to be individuals.

What they are trying to do is to push the refugee agenda and play this humanitarian card against people. They are saying we are good in the West, we are welcoming those refugees. By the way the West created those refugees because we need to remember that those bombs they are running away from are actually Western made bombs.

We need to understand that those people are actually being played as a weapon so they could sell Islamophobia to the world. The more refugees come into Europe (why Europe by the way?) the more crimes are being committed and the more the far right is actually gaining ground.

There is a narrative being played around all of us and we are completely oblivious to it most of the time because we are too busy trying to defend who we feel are our own people. We have to remember that when a crime is committed, number one, we should denounce it. I don’t care if people are Muslim, Jewish, Christians whatever. A crime is a crime and the people who commit crimes should go to jail regardless of who they are, and where they come from. Running away from war and violence does not justify committing another act of violence against other people. That would make us Zionists and I do not believe we want to be that.

We need to be careful when we talk about the refugee crisis because the refugees need to taken care of but we need to make sure they are really being taken care and they are not being played by political powers so that they can score some points and justify their fascist ideology. So far I have seen so many political commentators come out and defend those Muslim refugees just because they are Muslim completely forgetting that those people actually have a different type of agenda and they are actually committing crimes, they are actually soiling our names as human beings – never mind Muslims.

We should speak against it and not allow the tragedy that is war to prevent us from seeing the truth and the fact that we are being played. It is a demographic remapping. They are trying to play demographics and tension will arise because we would have to be stupid to not understand that we can’t justify mass immigration and ask any one country to take millions of people, thousands of people and not expect tension to happen. Of course tension will happen because the state institutions will be stretched. There are only so many resources in one country and it would be ridiculous to argue that the West is richer than other countries so they would have to accept all those people. We do not have to there are alternatives.

And my question is why is that Saudi Arabia is not opening its borders to Syrian refugees. They have a city of tents they use for hajj but they do not use them for refugees. Why? Because they do not want to. The point is to send them to the West so that they West would learn to hate Muslims and that the West would learn to hate the other and would learn to hate different ethnicities and label them as being negative, fefarious and devilish in essence.

I think we have almost lost the battle there because we have not talked about it enough. There is a grand debate about the hijab and I am hoping that this grand debate will illustrate the fact that people are trying to outlaw religion per se. It is not just a Muslim problem, it is a religious problem. We can shed a light on this and the rise of the far right can alert people to the fact of the reality that we are living under today.

I would like to just finish on the rise of the far right because it is troubling. It is very troubling that we have the likes of Donald Trump becoming the norm. The things that he says and the fact that no one is actually being outraged enough to rise and resist him is appalling and very worrying. We make fun of him. But is it not funny. I am not laughing anymore. I thought there was no way he could make it but he did. He made it because he was elected. That tells me somewhere in America people think it is okay to think like this and to speak like this. They want to see the things that he wants to see happen.

He is just a cog in the machine, he is just part of the system and he does not have any real power. But that tells me that the far right has now become the norm and it is okay to hate the other. We do this a lot. We do this all the time. We live in a negation of other people, in exclusion of other people and comparing what we do by saying it is okay, the others are doing worse.

It is not okay. We have to rise. At some point in time we are going to have to decide that we have to do better not just because we don’t want revenge but because we want justice and there is a difference between wanting revenge and wanting justice. I think we have passed the point of revenge because revenge has led Bahrain to bleed and Yemen to bleed and Syria to bleed and many other countries to bleed. So I would like to think enough is enough because war is coming here to the West because communities are being pitted against each other and I would just pray that we have enough reason and insight to understand that it can’t happen here because if it happens here we are done for. Who could speak for us?

With regard to the far right I am referring to the relationship with Wahabism because we have failed to understand that the far right and Wahabism and all forms of fascism are the same. They are the same but they are just dressed differently and are giving rise to a different form of hatred.

Liberalism today is the Western expression of Wahabism and if you look at what is happening in Yemen I would beg you to really reconsider. You don’t want this here. You do not want this to become a form of governance, you do not want this to become a reality. Living in exclusion and being shunned because of who you are and I should know.

When you are being shunned by a system just because you believe differently in religion it is not fun to be sitting where I am sitting and to be called many names and to be told I don’t have the right to be who I am. I am told here in the West that I don’t have the right to be who I am because they don’t like Islam and they don’t like the fact that I was born here but I belong to someone else or another faith and that makes me foreign.

I don’t think that religions make you foreign. I don’t even think that ethnicity makes you foreign. What makes you foreign is that people want to live in exclusion of each other. Geography means nothing. We need to learn to live with each other and we don’t even have to like each other. But what we have to do is recognise that those rights we demand for yourself we have to give to other people because otherwise we are a hypocrites and we are opening ourselves up to fascism.

In conclusion I just hope that this decay which we see in the West is understood in that God has been driven out of the public sphere and I think that is a mistake. If you don’t have a real anchor then this happens. We talked about religion and how it is very bad and it is better to have ethics and morals but how can you have ethics and morals if you do not have religion? And you don’t even have to believe in God. You have to admit that religion offers an anchor without which laws and ethics would have no meaning. Thank you very much for listening.

Chairman: That you very much Catherine for kicking off the debate. Your attempted the diagnosis and you indeed offered a solution. Without further ado I am delighted that Ziauddin Sardar is the next speaker.

Ziauddin Sardar: Salam alekium. Look at these three photographs. (Donald Trump, Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen). They tell us something about the West but they also tell us something about ourselves.



Many of the people who voted for Donald Trump actually believe in God. They are devout Christians. In fact without the support of the Christian right he would probably not have won. Many people who support Geert Wilders, who will probably win the election tomorrow in the Netherlands. Many of the people who actually support these guys (thirty percent in France – one third of France) and almost twenty percent in Holland are actually quite liberal. They are not totally mad. They give us serious concerns and it is perhaps these concerns that have elevated these concerns to this level. Their concerns are not all that different from some of the concerns that we have ourselves.



Let’s switch to ISIS. What does ISIS say? Let’s make Islam great again. That is what the Caliphate is all about. Let’s make Islam great again. Why is it that Islam needs be made great again? Because first of all it is not the dominant power. Secondly a great deal of what Muslim societies say and do seems to have no relevance to modern times. They have come out of a long period of colonisation and there is a great deal of uncertainty and insecurity about us. People who live in Muslim countries have a great deal of insecurity and a lot of their insecurity is blamed on the West.



This was largely because Muslims have no power. This is a product of the fact that power has shifted from where it was conventionally located over the last thirty, forty or fifty years. And their reaction is not all that different from our reaction. ISIS is a fascist organisation. The spread of Wahabi thought is very much a kind of reaction to uncertainty and insecurity. The number of people who have embraced Wahabi thought shows that the people feel uncertain and insecure in uncertain times and they want certainty and security. What these guys want is exactly the same.

The power is shifting from America to China. China is now the leading global power, not America. America is a nuclear power. But essentially China is the leading power, even though America has more weapons than all the empires of history put together. There is also another rising power – Russia. Twenty or thirty years ago if Russia had moved to the Crimea we would have been on the edge of a nuclear war. But in fact Russia took over Crimea within a week. Then Russia moved into Syria. Even the military balance is changing. India is an economic power as well.

So power is shifting And when power shifts from those who have had absolute power then uncertainly and insecurity becomes the norm. And when uncertainty and insecurity becomes the norm you actually go back and grab what you think is your anchor.

For many that anchor is a nationalist, far right identity. Let us not forget that fascism was a dominant entity in Europe fifty or sixty years ago and France was fascist. So was Spain under Franco and there were the Greek generals right up until the 1980s. So fascism is not alien to the West. It is said that racism is only skin deep in Western civilisations. If you scratch it hard it will come to the surface. So going back to that kind of racism is a natural tendency in times of uncertainty, and insecurity, in times when contradictions become the dominant theme.

Another thing which is happening now which may look pretty surprising is populism – the populist movement is moving the far right to the forefront. Most of these movements have genuine grievances at their heart. For example inequality. Systematically inequality has increased over the last twenty to thirty years in every single Western country. Power has not just shifted to other nation states or other super powers if you like (China and Russia) – it has also shifted to other entities that we do not know how to deal with called non-state actors, and I don’t just mean terrorists. I mean multinational corporations who have much more power than nation states. Google, Microsoft or Apple have more power than say France or Belgium in certain areas. And they have played a role not only in increasing inequality but also in increasing uncertainty and insecurity in terms of employment and social media etc.

So populism is actually a product of what has happened in the last twenty to thirty years. Should we be surprised that during the past twenty to thirty years almost every Western university in Europe and the United States has been teaching post modernism which essentially argues that there is no such thing as truth – that all truth is relative. This is a basic theory that most people who study social sciences, education, whatever learn. So you have a whole generation thinking, or being brought up to think, that everything is relative. So why should we be surprised that they come to the conclusion that there is no truth all. So a great deal of what is happening is hardly surprising and it is a result of a genuine political crisis and a genuine moral crisis in the West.

It does mean one of two things. First it means that claim of superiority of Western civilisation just does not hold water anymore. Europe does not do fascism. That was the post war idea. We do not to authoritarianism, we do not do far right movements. That was where the West could claim some kind or moral superiority but all that has gone now. What we are seeing is the shift in power and the political crisis.

The fact that the moral superiority argument has collapsed produced a moral and ideological crisis. But at the same time we see that this tells us something about the West, it also tells us something about us. What it tells us is that there is no such thing as an isolated, encapsulated West out there. There is a West out there that we are going to stand up and hate because we are from the East and we are Muslims, that is what we do, we hate them, we hate the United States. That is the mantra.

Everything is changing. There is no east or west either geographically or culturally. Geographically there is more East in London than there is Karachi. There is more East in the suburbs of Paris then there is in Morocco and Algeria. A great deal of what happens in Morocco and Algeria actually starts in the suburbs of Paris and then goes off to Morocco and Algeria and Tunisia. So there is no specific kind of location where you can say this location is east or west, this location is a location of Western culture.

And culturally of course we are all influenced by the West just as much as the West is influenced by us. What the hell are we doing here? We are here because there are certain Western values that have attracted us to this place.

Yes, Saudi Arabia should accept refugees. But how many Syrian refugees want to go to Saudi Arabia. There is a reason for that. There are certain that the West still represents which we have to accept and acknowledged. So what is happening in the West has a direct impact on us because we live in an interrelated and interconnected world. What happens in the United States and Europe has a direct impact on Pakistan, Malaysia, Iran and the Middle East.

We have to stop thinking in terms of East and West. The political crisis, the moral crisis of the West is as much a political and moral crisis of Muslim societies and in fact Muslim societies went through this crisis first and it has now arrived in the West and it is for us to actively do something about it. Thanks you very much.

Chairman: Thank you Ziauddin. That was very intriguing – a very different approach to the diagnosis about power shifts and also uncertainty.

Clive Hambidge: Salam Aleikum. First of all I would like to thank you for inviting me. When I think of Islam I think of peace, peace, peace. I want to concentrate, even though I am someone who is very aware of the values of sharing and coexistence on the importance of a diverse country where people have the right (we have here a partially functioning democracy) to go to the ballot box but our opinions often stop there. We do not go forward from that.

Tonight I want to focus on America. All we have to do is to have a good look at the three pictures. We see the rise of fascism and the far right. We have to go back to the 1930s and 40s where we saw the rise of the military industrial complex and now the industrial retail complex. We can’t ignore it. This is the power drive and it is fairly and squarely in the ball park of America and it is about America that I want to talk this evening.

I want to look at America from an almost detached from a rather detached perspective and see the vicious role it has played in the Middle East and indeed everywhere through the auspices mainly of the CIA.

We owe an enormous debt of gratitude to people like Snowden and all those who take up, like a hot coal, the cause of freedom from tyranny in the 21st century, the tyranny of neo slavery and misinformation where human beings are seen as disposable products to be used and abused in underground trading – mere commodities. No human being is a commodity. All human beings are valuable and precious in the eyes of God, Allah and that is how we should treat each other.

Therefore when we see such abuse taking place all over the world then it is up to demonstrate, remonstrate, write do whatever we can to bring this to the attention of the world and those in positions of so called leadership.

The figures are staggering as they are sobering: 27 million men, women and children are held, sold and trafficked. This morning slavery, this age old evil, persists and it must be addressed. This is my main point really and obviously then looking at the moral and ethical dimension in looking at our own actions. This must be addressed through volunteerism. The people who act have rid themselves of fear. Fear saps our energy, it takes away the moral compass and stifles our actions and our movements so we allow this rising far right movement which will then enslave us.

In America slavery comes in many forms but it also comes in the form of consumerism. No country in the world is better in enslaving its people into buying things they don’t want than America and so turning their minds away from the real needs: the welfare of the perceived other. I do not see the perceived other – I see a brother and a sister.

We are persuaded to buy into this ever pervasive pathology of consumerism to buy what we don’t need, increase the ever rising scenario of personal debt and the all consuming fear which feeds it and chains us to a subconscious consumerist slavery that saps the energy and the will to help those in forms of deprivation in developing nations and in our own nation.

What is interesting about this is that Trump is an example of this – we see this ego manic with an ego made out of solid gold who is impervious to any criticism. He has just got rid of 45/ 46 federal judges in America so we have fascism and the vote for Trump shows that fascism is on the rise in America. At the same time we see that the states in America, most of the states in America are looking for autonomy and moving away from this centralised form of government and federalism and to understand the nature of freedom and also to look after people. This is developing in America at this very time.

In America we have 150 new co-operatives. Some of them are in woods in the outback where you find machine guns. They are forming co-operatives so in co-operation, informing organisations and then co-ordinating with other organisations, particularly NGO’s, then you have a very powerful force for good.

If you think about the right wing you will find it in America. No country is more skilful than America in enslaving its citizens to market forces. A statement from Norman Chomsky describes corruption and captures the very nature of what I am talking about and what is embodied in people like Trump and the others that we see in the photographs. He says (and this is from this group of business leaders) we have to impose on people a philosophy of futility and make sure that they focus on the superficial, on superficial things of fashionable consumption. We have to try to pursue what we call fanciful wants or invented needs. We create the needs and then get them to focus their attention on them, then they don’t bother us, they are out of our hair.

It is a simple fact that we are influencing each other all the time. What about the essence of Islam? My neighbours downstairs are Muslims. When they have a birthday they bring us presents, they bring us the birthday cake. Many years ago my wonderful companion Suriah and the three children would just pop upstairs without asking knock, come in and be very aware that we would help them with their homework. It was just a natural extension of love and that is the solution to all the problems that we see.

At the present time we are whipped and tossed into a state induced nightmare automated, corralled into small mental places, creating more and more tension. Someone wrote recently even the grass is depressed.

And John Pilger writes in letters from war and death in his new book The New Rules of the World when the American Vice-president Cheney said the war on terrorism will last for 50 years or more it is concocted because of the military-industrial complex. People are making vast profits out of killing people no where else more than in America and also in Britain.

If we look at Syria more than 2.5milllion children – my God! – are starving essentially and living in tents. And how long are they going to be living in tents for? We see the same thing in Somalia. Thousands of people are living in tents with just about enough to be able to survive in a world of plenty which has the means and the organisation to end this terrible, terrible injustice.

We the people must peacefully push, shove, cajole, remonstrate to our presidents and prime ministers. I put Teresa May in the same bracket. They are all moving to the right wing. We have to lay aside our apathy and realise our potential, indeed our very self through selfless activism.

In America I often think that the constitution is ignored. The constitution if one reads it, is not just a constitution for America but for all people. We can take parts of it because most of it is for the protection of all people at all times. So I just want to talk a little about the constitution. Measured the constitution remains radical in that it is wise because justice and freedom are always present much as an elder brother hovering in a moral and ethical dimension looking for signs of maturity sorely lacking in the adolescent sons and daughters of successive American administrations and their increasing connivance with accountable private power.

Nevertheless the constitution and its light remains undimmed drawing to it all those who seek a road map towards justice, equality and freedom. The constitution is not meant to reflect oppressive actions. Neither is it meant to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. We spoke about the dangers of democracy. Democracy is dangerous for the elites because it would inculcate and reflect the movement towards an evolutionary freedom of expression and that expression would abide by the rule of law and its benefactor love.

The past is never over. If we examine it carefully within our own consciousness the past repeats itself again and again and this we call habituation, we form habits of thinking. They can become hardened, they can become hateful or the very opposite. Loving. So the past is not over as it lies cyclically with its arrogance of power, the power in corporations that seek to eliminate democracy.

This is a serious debate in elitist groups where radical takes on the dark stately cloak. Chomsky makes it clear in an interview with John Nicholson entitled radical democracy and he turns to Aristotle and makes it clear rightly that we need to eliminate poverty. Chomsky talks about the welfare state not in the real politik propaganda where slackers are lazy and are happy to survive on handouts. This is nonsense. Deep concern is concern for the welfare of the true sovereign nation and its beleaguered citizens who should not only move the executive levers but the social mechanisms of governance and execution.

The very heart of American leadership, if they are ever willing to find it, should be beating in rhythmical time with the hearts of those less fortunate and indeed those more able. These two groups coming together one to express their concerns and the other to then offer their help.

The growing demand for social justice and equality rises from the convulsions of suffering not just in America but also here and particularly in the Middle East. When we think of Palestine, Gaza, Syria, Lebanon wherever we look there is tremendous suffering. The great exodus from Africa which is only going to increase. We are going to see this through conflict and through political corruption and that is also fuelled by American connivance.

The America people would be clear about what it is that they could do for their country and they would remind themselves of the benevolence of its constitution and the battle ahead for democracy. They would then find the natural law of justice manifesting.

*Ziauddin Sardar is Chair of the Muslim Institute, a learned, fellowship society that promotes knowledge and debate, and editor of Critical Muslim, an innovative quarterly on contemporary Muslim ideas and
thought. He is also the Director of the Centre of Postnormal Policy and Futures Studies, East West Chicago, and the editor of its journal East West Affairs.

He has been described as a ‘critical
 polymath’ and works across a number of
 disciplines ranging from Islamic studies and futures studies to science policy, literary criticism, information science to cultural
relations, art criticism and critical theory.
 He was born in Pakistan in 1951 and grew up in Hackney, East London.

Ziauddin Sardar has worked as science 
journalist for Nature and New Scientist and
 as a television reporter for London Weekend Television. He was a columnist on the New
 Statesman for a number of years and has served as a Commissioner for the Equality and
Human Rights Commission and as a member of the Interim National Security Forum.

Ziauddin Sardar has published over 45 books.
The Future of Muslim Civilisation (1979) and
Islamic Futures: The Shape of Ideas to Come
 (1985) are regarded as classic studies on the 
future of Islam. He pioneered the discussion 
on science in Muslim societies, with a series 
of articles in Nature and New Scientist and a number of books, including Science, Technology and Development in the Muslim
 World (1977), The Touch of Midas: Science,
Values and the Environment in Islam and the
West (1982), which is seen as a seminal
work, The Revenge of Athena: Science, Exploitation and the Third World (1988)
acquired a cultish following and Why Do People Hate America? (2002) became an
international bestseller.

**Clive Hambidge is Human Development Director at facilitate global a human rights NGO. His articles and papers have been published among others in IRIN, Al Haram, The Palestinian Chronicle, Media With Conscience, Dandelion Salad, Sabbah Report, Al-Arabiya and London Progressive Journal. He also had numerous interviews with Press TV. Clive has over 30 years experience working with faith communities which include the Hindu Community in general and in particular with the Head of the London Sevaashram Sangha, Swami Nirliptinanda. He has acted for many years, in an emissary capacity to support the work of the former Anglican Bishop in Jerusalem, his Grace Bishop Riah Abu Al Assal.

***Catherine Shakdam is a political analyst and commentator for the Middle East with a special focus on Yemen and radical movements. She is the Director of Programs for the Shafaqna Institute for Middle Eastern Studies in the UK, and serves as Special Adviser for the Middle East for Prince Ali Seraj of Afghanistan. She also sits as the Executive Director of PASI (Prince Ali Seraj of Afghanistan Institute for Peace and Reconstruction) She is the author of Arabia’s Rising – Under The Banner Of The First Imam. Her writings have appeared on RT, Press TV, Mehr News, The Foreign Policy Journal, The Duran, MintPress, the American Herald Tribune, Open Democracy, the Age of Reflection and many others. She’s the director and founder of Veritas-Consulting.

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