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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to bring this up but the usual suspect connection can be drawn between the key players here - with Israel right in it as usual.

Keywords are

B'nai B'rith ADL

Judith Miller

Tom Mangold

Labour donor

Rothschild

Oil

BBC is run by .......

And before y take offence I am well reminded that Theodore Herzl said antisemitism would be encouraged.

The corrupt Internationalist/Bolshevist/Zionist jews plus their willing recruits of any psychopathic criminal persuasion WANT to divide decent Jews, Christians, Mulsims etc. To call them at their game decent people all over must unite and not be afraid to call out the elephant in the room.

Is Bliar still in Jerusalem??

BTW I am coming round to the idea that even some masons may be decent chaps after all... Either that or they are awfully good at character disguise. What we have are agents of the elite everywhere, stirring things up, poin=soning wells, confusiong issues and trying to tarnish by association.

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Mangold is a dodgy git. Investigate!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone has just sent me this which I assume is the Hansard transcript of what took place in the House of Lords, on what date I do not know.

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Dr David Kelly
2.59 pm
Lord Berkeley asked Her Majesty’s Government:

Whether, as a result of new evidence recently published, they will set up an inquiry under the Inquiries Act 2005 to investigate in full the circumstances surrounding the death of Dr David Kelly.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Justice (Lord Hunt of Kings Heath): My Lords, we have no plans to do so.

Lord Berkeley: My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that Answer, but is he aware of the new book by Norman Baker MP, which collects a large amount of new evidence? I do not know whether he read it over the Christmas holiday, but it is quite a frightening read. It concludes that suicide by Dr Kelly would be extremely unlikely and is certainly not proven beyond reasonable doubt. As my noble friend will know, the Hutton inquiry was not statutory, and no evidence was taken under oath, so is it not now necessary for the Government to set up a proper statutory inquiry to investigate fully the circumstances of the death of this senior government employee?

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: My Lords, I have read extracts from the report, which I would describe as a good Christmas read. There was a thorough inquiry by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hutton, who reached the conclusion that Dr Kelly committed suicide. He found that the cause of Dr Kelly’s death was:

“Haemorrhage ... Incised wounds to the left wrist ... Coproxamol ingestion and coronary artery atherosclerosis”.

He was,

“satisfied that no other person was involved in the death of Dr Kelly”,
because,

“A very careful and lengthy examination of the area where his body was found by police officers and by a forensic biologist found no traces whatever of a struggle or of any involvement by a third party ... The wounds to his wrist were inflicted by a knife which came from Dr Kelly’s desk in his study in his home, and ... It is highly unlikely that a third party or third parties could have forced Dr Kelly to swallow a large number of Coproxamol tablets”.

Lord Thomas of Gresford: My Lords, the then Lord Chancellor, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, used an exceptional power to direct the coroner not to continue with the original inquest and not to resume it unless there was an exceptional reason. The inquiry of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hutton, is the only time this provision has been used in a non-statutory inquiry. Surely the new evidence that has come to light since the Hutton inquiry and to which Mr Norman Baker refers in his book is an exceptional reason, which requires the events to be fully investigated, witnesses to be called and cross-examined and a verdict to be reached beyond reasonable doubt, just as in the current lengthy inquest relating to the Princess of Wales.


8 Jan 2008 : Column 741

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: But, my Lords, the Hutton report was sent to the coroner at the end of the inquiry in accordance with Section 17A and, in an open court hearing on 14 March 2004, the coroner himself decided that there was no exceptional reason to resume the adjourned inquest. There is much supposition in the report but, if evidence there is, it is open to Mr Baker and any other person, if they wish, to seek a new inquest under Section 13 of the Coroners Act 1988.

Lord Stoddart of Swindon:
My Lords, surely that is not good enough. The book by Mr Baker is well researched and shows that there is no evidence that Dr Kelly was suicidal in any way. Furthermore, Mr Baker absolves MI6 and the CIA from any blame but believes that perhaps some very nasty people in Iraq, who did not want things disclosed, might have been behind his death. Do we not owe it to Dr Kelly’s wife and family to have another, thorough inquiry in the light of this new evidence?

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: My Lords, I do not think that any of us can speculate on what Dr Kelly’s family are thinking at the present time or around the tragic circumstances of his death some years ago. I have nothing further to add. The Government believe that the inquiry by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hutton, in this matter was conclusive. The noble and learned Lord set out the reasons for his conclusion. I say again that, if any person has evidence, they can take it to the authorities—to the police—and there is a procedure for a further inquest to be held. That is surely the approach that should be taken here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldhansrd/text/80108- 0002.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

numeral wrote:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldhansrd/text/80108- 0002.htm

Anyway,My Lords, my noble lords, my noble friends etc. Who the hell is this nobility and aristocracy to be trying to sort anything out? They are all horrible aristocratic bloodline pigs troughing it at the temple of Baal.
It makes me sick to even survey their musings
Kelly was murdered - every sliver of a brain cell knows that

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hutton and Falconer noble and learned?
What kind of idiots or traitors are these?
To the tower with them both!

For 'special' read criminal.

xmasdale wrote:

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath: My Lords, I have read extracts from the report, which I would describe as a good Christmas read. There was a thorough inquiry by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hutton, who reached the conclusion that Dr Kelly committed suicide. He found that the cause of Dr Kelly’s death was:

Lord Thomas of Gresford: My Lords, the then Lord Chancellor, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, used an exceptional power to direct the coroner not to continue with the original inquest and not to resume it unless there was an exceptional reason. The inquiry of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hutton, is the only time this provision has been used in a non-statutory inquiry. Surely the new evidence that has come to light since the Hutton inquiry and to which Mr Norman Baker refers in his book is an exceptional reason, which requires the events to be fully investigated, witnesses to be called and cross-examined and a verdict to be reached beyond reasonable doubt, just as in the current lengthy inquest relating to the Princess of Wales.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the humourless Mr. Gosling has deleted yet another thread.
Oh the power this contol freak wields!

The thread on chemtrails and my little video promotion.
Strange skies etc.

Are there any other moderators on this website besides this fellow?

Can't he be checked somehow?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

London Mick wrote:
I see the humourless Mr. Gosling has deleted yet another thread.
Oh the power this contol freak wields!

The thread on chemtrails and my little video promotion.
Strange skies etc.

Are there any other moderators on this website besides this fellow?

Can't he be checked somehow?

Tony's humourless? I don't think so.
The chemtrails thread has gone?
It's still visible on mine
Control Freak?
Well not exactly
Calm down

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:51 am    Post subject: New film Reply with quote

Just found this upcoming documentary on Kelly and the Anthrax attacks and other bio-scientists deaths

http://deadinthewoods.com/

Anyone any thoughts on this, as it appears to have serious production values and backing?

There are segments of it on youtube aswell.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mangold is a dodgy git. Investigate!


Indeed.

If ever there was classic signs of a paid, embedded PR agent for H.M. SIS it's him.

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Just found this upcoming documentary on Kelly and the Anthrax attacks and other bio-scientists deaths

http://deadinthewoods.com/

Anyone any thoughts on this, as it appears to have serious production values and backing?

There are segments of it on youtube aswell.



Great. About time a decent doc looked into the scientist "deaths". The media are in collective ostrich [or is it emu?] land on that one and have been for years.

Does it give a broadcast date?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Why didn't heatseeking helicopter detect David Kelly's body? Reply with quote

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1048585/Why-did-heat-seeking-h elicopter-fly-exact-spot-David-Kelly-8217-s-body--detect-nothing.html
Why did a heat-seeking helicopter fly over the exact spot where David Kelly’s body was found - and detect nothing?

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Mail on Sunday, August 24, 2008

Police failed to find the body of missing Government scientist David Kelly despite using a helicopter with heat-seeking equipment and flying over the exact spot where his corpse was later discovered.

Dr Kelly’s body was found in July 2003 at the height of the controversy over Britain’s invasion of Iraq.

Unusually, no inquest into his death has ever been held. Instead, the Hutton Inquiry was set up by Tony Blair to investigate the circumstances surrounding his death.

In January 2004, the inquiry concluded that the weapons inspector had committed suicide after he was unmasked as the source of a BBC report alleging Labour had ‘sexed up’ its dossier on weapons of mass destruction.

He died after swallowing up to 29 co-proxamol painkillers and cutting his left wrist with a knife.

But now details of the police search for Dr Kelly in the hours after he was reported missing have raised questions about why his body was not discovered sooner.

These include confirmation of the route the police twin-engined Eurocopter EC 135 took and the times it was airborne.

The flight summary – released under the Freedom of Information Act – confirms that, at around 2.50am on July 18, the helicopter flew over the patch of woodland where Dr Kelly was later discovered at 8.30am by a volunteer search party.

It is situated at Harrowden Hill, a mile from his home in Oxfordshire.

The development is significant because the pathologist who attended the scene told the Hutton Inquiry that the latest time Dr Kelly could have died was 1.15am.

It means his body would have been lying in the woods for at least 90 minutes – raising questions about how well the thermal-imaging equipment was working.

Despite arriving at the woods at midday, pathologist Dr Nicholas Hunt said he only took the temperature of Dr Kelly’s body at 7.15pm.

This suggests it would have been warmer than the 24C (75F) recorded, and therefore even more visible to a heat-seeking device.

The revelations are likely to fuel the many conspiracy theories surrounding Dr Kelly’s death; in particular that, for some reason, his body was moved into the woods after his death.

It also adds to speculation that he was the victim of a Government plot to silence him.

Continued ...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an interesting chat to Dr David Halpin about this the other day.

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/33836
http://www.radio4all.net:8080/files/tony@tlio.org.uk/2149-1-davidhalpi ndavidkellymono.mp3

Iraq War Crime Cover-Up - Expert evidence the David Kelly inquest never heard
Dr. David Halpin is a retired trauma surgeon from Devon
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/431903.html
David Halpin is a supporter of the Morning Star who offered his professional advice that it was highly unlikely that Doctor David Kelly could have died by slashing his wrist. In addition to David Halpin the Kelly investigation group consisted of Rowena Thursby, Swedish Radiologist Stephen Frost, Retired anaethnatist Searle Sennett and ot.hers.

Discussion about the Coroner's Act governing suspicious deaths and inquests and the how the British state is subverting that law. Section 17a of the Coroner’s Act of 1988 allows for a public enquiry to save distress to relatives and for economy. It is appropriate for multiple deaths such as the 7/7 London bombings but not for a single death.

Discussion also of mistakes by Dr. Nicholas Hunt, the government's foresnsic pathologist.

Thames Valley police's Operation Mason, to find Dr. Kelly commenced, it seems, before he had even left his home.

Recent evidence has come to light that there were no fingerprints on Kelly's knife nor were there any traces of Kelly's body on the Oxfordshire helicopter's infrared scanners.

See also:
Uncovering the Truth about the Death of David Kelly by Rowena Thursby
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3249

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Recent evidence has come to light that there were no fingerprints on Kelly's knife nor were there any traces of Kelly's body on the Oxfordshire helicopter's infrared scanners.


What is the significance of the infrared scanner not finding Kelly's body warmth? After all the body was there, was it not? Are we saying it had cooled down because COD was much earlier?

How would this gybe with the time he was witnessed last alive?

Not that I harbour much doubt he was murdered...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing article about this on Prison Planet today
'Kelly was Murdered' Says UK Intelligence Insider
Simon Aronowitz: ThoughtCrimeNews.com/PrisonPlanet.com

Shocking new details about the death of Dr David Kelly emerged exclusively today on the Alex Jones radio show. Michael Shrimpton, a UK national security lawyer who was a guest on the show, revealed that sources within MI5 and MI6 are `furious' that Kelly was murdered.

http://www.radio4all.net:8080/files/tony@tlio.org.uk/2149-1-dialect200 90704.mp3

Shrimpton spoke in depth about the details of Kelly's murder on 17th July 2003, information which has been withheld by the British press.

With apparent backing from the organisations whose members he claims to speak for, Shrimpton presented their view that Dr Kelly had been murdered by a team of assassins and the charade of an apparent suicide was then played out to cover this up.

Speaking with impeccable credentials, including contributions to the Journal for International Security Affairs and having previously given a closed-doors confidential briefing to the US Senate Intelligence Committee, Shrimpton exploded the much-reported myth that Dr Kelly had taken his own life.

He spoke of the probable method of Kelly's death, the group which most likely carried out the assassination, who arranged it and finally where the responsibility lies. Additionally, he explained the political context and motive for Kelly's murder.

David Kelly went missing on 17th July 2003 and was found dead on 18th July. In the previous days, Kelly had testified before Parliament's Foreign Affairs Select Committee that he was not the source of a BBC story which had accused the Government of making false claims about Iraq's WMD. When Kelly's body was found, the British press quickly reported it as a suicide, though several analysts had their doubts.

On Jones' show, Shrimpton explained how he had learned that David Kelly was the BBC's source before the BBC disclosed this fact. He went on to explain that his source from within the intelligence community knew David Kelly personally, and did not believe that he had committed suicide. After making their own enquiries, says Shrimpton, this source determined that Dr Kelly had not committed suicide, but rather had been assassinated.

Apparently at ease to discuss these explosive disclosures, Shrimpton explained that there was advance knowledge of Kelly's death in Whitehall, but that the deed itself was most likely carried out by the French external security organisation, DGSE. There was no indication that anybody in MI5 or MI6 had been involved. He went further by suggesting that the hit squad itself was composed of Iraqis from the former regime's Mukhabarat intelligence organisation, recruited from Damascus with the help of Syria's own intelligence apparatus. They were apparently then flown into Corsica, seven days prior to the murder. He doubts that any of the hit-squad are still alive.

Officially, Kelly's body was said to have been found in a copse, in a wood, but the forensic tents were set up in the adjacent field, suggesting, says Shrimpton, that the body was found in the field. This has not been explained to his satisfaction.

The incision in Kelly's wrist was probably to conceal the injection of both Dextroprypoxythene, the active ingredient in Co-Proxamol, and Succinylcholine, a muscle relaxant, rather than as evidence of his bleeding to death, as highlighted by a group of six doctors in letters published in the British press. Shrimpton further agreed with the doctors by pointing out that Kelly only had one Co-Proxamol tablet in his body and that this was not sufficient to kill him.

According to Shrimpton, Kelly was murdered because he had been talking to the press and there was a fear of what else he might discuss with journalists. Furthermore, Kelly was due to return to Iraq and may have learned fresh information on that trip which Whitehall could not afford to trust him with.

Shrimpton's appearance on Jones' show gave him the first public opportunity to bring forward his information, since the story has been effectively censored by the British Press, who according to Shrimpton are concerned about losing the pro-Euro Tony Blair as Prime Minister were they to publish details of Kelly's assassination. Blair's departure, he says, could threaten Britain's proposed adoption of the Euro as the national currency.


Whilst this story begins to circulate in the USA, the coverage in the UK may well remain nil, whilst maneuvering behind the scenes attempts to pre-empt Shrimpton's accusation of government-sanctioned murder of one of its own operatives.

Only with public support, and a belief that this information should be widely known, can this information be brought into the wide open and covered by the mainstream media.

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Coming soon: transcript and MP3 file of the interview. E mail this out to EVERYBODY, it is a story of vital significance.



and here's a reminder - David Kelly's final interview
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=268935367757039981

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never was your signature line more relevant!
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Shrimpton took his time... amazing how bad matters have to get before those with a conscience act...

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Shrimpton took his time... amazing how bad matters have to get before those with a conscience act...


Those with a conscience, working for MI5 and speaking out? Got to be more to this than face value.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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for those who haven't seen it already

the BBC appear to think he was murdered too


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This is the first time ive seen this , BBC is made a contraversal docu . Wonders will never cease.
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http://www.visitlondon.com/events/detail/5393108

Screening of Anthrax war July 17 London

see this article for details

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/111971/Kelly-s-book-of-secrets


KELLY’S BOOK OF SECRETS

Sunday July 5,2009

WEAPONS inspector David Kelly was writing a book exposing highly damaging government secrets before his ­mysterious death.

He was intending to reveal that he warned Prime Minister Tony Blair there were no weapons of mass destruction anywhere in Iraq weeks before the ­British and American invasion.

He had several discussions with a publisher in Oxford and was seeking advice on how far he could go without breaking the law on secrets.

Following his death, his computers were seized and it is still not known if any rough draft was discovered by investigators and, if so, what happened to the material.

Dr Kelly was also intending to lift the lid on a potentially bigger scandal, his own secret dealings in germ warfare with the apartheid regime in South Africa.

US television investigators have spent four years preparing a 90-minute documentary, Anthrax War, suggesting there is a global black market in anthrax and exposing the mystery “suicides” of five government germ warfare scientists from around the world.

Director Bob Coen said: ‘‘The deeper you look into the murky world of governments and germ warfare, the more worrying it becomes.

“We have proved there is a black ­market in anthrax. David Kelly was of particular interest to us because he was a world expert on anthrax and he was involved in some degree with assisting the secret germ warfare programme in apartheid South Africa.”

Dr Kelly was found dead in woods near his Oxfordshire home on July 17 2003. His apparent suicide came two days after he was interrogated in the ­Commons over his behind-the-scenes role in exposing the flaws in the “sexed-up” Number 10 dossier which justified Britain going to war with Iraq.

Conspiracy theorists have claimed he was murdered.

British author Gordon Thomas said last night: ‘‘I knew David Kelly very well and he called me because he was working on a book.

“He told me he had warned Tony Blair there were no weapons of mass destruction. I advised him that as he had signed the Official Secrets Act life could get ­difficult for him.

“I gained the impression that he was prepared to take the flak as he wanted his story to come out.”

Anthrax War will be screened ­privately in London on July 17, the sixth anniversary of Dr Kelly’s death.

KELLY’S BOOK OF SECRETS

06.07.09, 10:12am

Yes we ALL suspected that Tony BLiar and this Government have blood on their hands.

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JUST ANOTHER MURDER OF SOMEONE IN THE WAY

06.07.09, 8:31am

I have yet to meet someone who does not think Dr Kelly was got rid of as he was in the way of war and treading on the feet of those neck- high in lies.
Bankrupt Britian was led into what most think was an illegal war and Kelly was going to out the truth.
How many public people have been victims of timely , convenient deaths as they were about to make shattering announcements that did not suit those at the top, in Blair/Brown Britain ?
Just look at the list and it is no wonder Clair Short has been on mute for all these years!
Robin Cook, David Kelly, Diana and so mny Police deaths and others around these people were so timely, that we have difficulty accepting the official 'suicide' or 'accident' conclusions.

Since Blair the Liar or BLIAR, as he is now known, there have been so many cover-ups of so many suspicious deaths and convenient suicides and unlawful killings that one wonders how the press has managed to swallow their words for so long and how the Police have managed to stay clear of the truth without breaking some of the eggs they have had to tread carefully on.
The public has not been fooled by all the cover-ups even if the press cannot say so and most have absolutely no trust in the Lord Hutton, Lord Baker or Lord Stevenson styled inquests we have been served.
They have not been swallowed and TRUST has gone.
People have been paid in cash and peerages , for the SILENCE necessary in cover-ups at the top.
The inquest into the Iraq war, as the Inquest into the death of Diana were to be behind very tightly closed doors until the public protested, but even with the doors open, the remit of the Inquests leaves little chance of the REAL TRUTH and nothing but the truth, coming to light.

If Britian is not purged at the top, things will get much worse.
Bliar should be outed for all he had done under his Nu labour era and Brown should be ashamed that he did not have the courage to Clean-Up Britain and come clean himself, in order to save Britian, a nation which is now seen as both morally and financially bankrupt .

• Posted by: Penny • Report Comment

POLICE SATE BRITAIN

06.07.09, 4:53am

And we thought Russia was bad!!!!!!

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NO, THAT'S MILLBANK

06.07.09, 3:15am

SO THIS IS WHERE THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HANG OUT
05.07.09, 8:24pm

Kelly is reported to have said that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
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Politics is always full of dead bodies, from the Kennerdy brothers to Hugh Gaitskill killed by the Russians to allow the path clearing to get Harold Wilson into Power..and he was paid handsomely as a director of a Russian timber exporting company that exported no wood !
You should read more Harry Chapman Pincher / Peter Wright books !

Robin Cook was waiting for the return of Parliament and said that he was going to attack the Labour government on its reasons for going to war , and old" Golden elephants" Clare Short has been ever so quiet since !
The first responders to Robin Cook said that he had suffered a broken neck, his ex wife, who was a doctor said that he was fit as a fiddle and had no heart problems.

Dr Kelly said that "should the Army invade Iraq he would be found dead under a hedge"
John Scarlett the ex head of MI6 was tasked with changing the information that was issued to Parliament so as to make a pretext for Tony's War on Muslims which had been a long time in the making and so we can now see why it was so important for the British Royal family not to marry into the muslim world and have muslim half brothers.
Scarlett got caught out when the "dodgy dossier" was sent to the Americans and was published.

The next news that you will see coming out is the new enquiry into London's 7/7/ and the exercise constructed by Peter Powers based on the proposition that 5 muslims might bomb London's underground stations... the exercise-with COBRA in session moved from "exercise" to real time with bombs really going off in the same 5 stations as the exercise was being carried out in.The new Isrealli PM was kept in his hotel room by the security services until after the bombs..which was a bit of a surprise as the Met said that they had no prior warning !
Funny, because it was already posted on the isreali press websites.
And don't start telling me about the families of the 54 dead British people being upset- because we are one of them.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

After Parliament is purged the truth can be set free and we will all be safer for the change.
(Though some may find the rope is a little too tight )

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SO THIS IS WHERE THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HANG OUT

05.07.09, 8:24pm

Kelly is reported to have said that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
How would he know as his trips to Iraq were as follows:
The first was on 19 May 2003, when he was prevented from entering Iraq from Kuwait because he did not have the proper documentation.
The second trip was from 5 June 2003 - 11 June 2003, when Kelly went to view and photograph the two mobile weapons laboratories
6 DAYS HE SPENT IN IRAQ.
So how the hell did he know there were no WMD in Iraq.
The rest of the so called Inspection team were given the runaround by Saddam who wanted them to think he had WMD in the hope that it would make the allies think twice about invading.

As for Mr Kelly's murder.
I suggest you read what his wife had to say about her husband just before his death:

She told the inquiry into his death that her husband had been utterly dismayed by the media frenzy around him.
Janice Kelly said he became: "distracted... dejected... desperate...I just thought he had a broken heart. He had shrunk into himself".

Murder conspiracy - you must be joking!!!!

• Posted by: G0LDENARR0W • Report Comment

MURDERED

05.07.09, 6:55pm

Of course he was murdered, people don't write emails detailing their plans for the future then go out and kill themselves hours later. Anyone who gets in the way is got rid of, let's not forget Robin Cook who conveniently fell off a crag in the middle of nowhere, was then found within hours by a group of people who were never identified and then there was no inquest, which is rather strange when a former foreign secretary dies in such mysterious circumstances. The again hehad just resigned in protest about attacking Iraq and was starting to give some embarressing interviews.
While we're at it I recon John Smith was helped along after being PM for only two weeks so that Tony Blair could nicely step into his shoes.

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So does that mean CT can no longer be used as an epithet for delusion and insanity? I doubt it.

As for 'poor' Dr.Kelly - 'He who lives by germ warfare...'

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13 doctors demand inquest into Dr David Kelly's death

By Glen Owen and Miles Goslett - 12th July 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199109/13-doctors-demand-inqu est-Dr-David-Kellys-death.html

The death of Government scientist David Kelly returned to haunt Labour today as a group of doctors announced that they were mounting a legal challenge to overturn the finding of suicide.

Unusually, no coroner's inquest was held into his death. The only official verdict has come from the Hutton Inquiry, commissioned by Tony Blair, which concluded that Dr Kelly, 59, died from loss of blood after cutting his wrist with a blunt gardening knife.

Critics regarded the report as a 'whitewash', and Mr Blair remains acutely sensitive to the accusation that he has 'blood on his hands' over the scientist's death.

But now a team of 13 specialist doctors has compiled a detailed medical dossier that rejects the Hutton conclusion on the grounds that a cut to the ulnar artery, which is small and difficult to access, could not have caused death.

It will be used by their lawyers to demand a formal inquest and the release of Dr Kelly's autopsy report, which has never been published. It will also be sent to Sir John Chilcot's forthcoming inquiry into the Iraq War.

The 12-page opinion, a copy of which has been seen by The Mail on Sunday, concludes: 'The bleeding from Dr Kelly's ulnar artery is highly unlikely to have been so voluminous and rapid that it was the cause of death.

'We advise the instructing solicitors to obtain the autopsy reports so that the concerns of a group of properly interested medical specialists can be answered.'

The doctors do not say how, or why, they believe Dr Kelly did die but they have worked closely with campaigning Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker, who believes that the scientist was murdered by enemies he made in the course of his work as a weapons inspector.

And two of the doctors have added to the sense of persistent intrigue surrounding Dr Kelly by claiming that thousands of emails relating to the case had 'vanished' from their computers, in what one claimed was an act of 'state-sponsored sabotage'.

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Good on ya Doctors. Thanks for not letting Bliar and co off the hook so easily.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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for those who haven't seen it already

the BBC appear to think he was murdered too


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This is the first time ive seen this , BBC is made a contraversal docu . Wonders will never cease.



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As examples, 'Dead in the Water' (on Israel's murderous attack on the USS Liberty), and the three hour-long episodes of 'Gladio',
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Page from the BBC today, but not linked for long from the main pages...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8147454.stm
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I wouldn't like to be Ali Campbell's life insurance broker right now ...
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I wouldn't like to be Ali Campbell's life insurance broker right now ...


Is this an admission (in an around about way) of the likely murder of Dr Kelly chek?

Well knock yourself out mate,finally something most here agree on.

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I was told by a researcher for the BBC Conspiracy Files David Kelly programme that the police had told him it was a 'wet operation or wet disposal', special forces jargon for 'murder made to look like suicide' by an extra-judicial death squad which tallies with what Norman Baker MP says.
Was that Cheney's death squad?

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? No fingerprints were found on the gardening knife allegedly used by the scientist to cut one of his wrists;

? Only one other person in the whole of the British Isles committed suicide in the same way as the scientist allegedly did in 2003;

? There was an astonishing lack of blood at the scene despite death being officially recorded as due to a severed artery;

? The level of painkillers found in Dr Kelly's stomach was "less than a third" of a normal fatal overdose.

The Lewes MP also suggests that the knife and packs of painkillers found beside Dr Kelly's body were taken from his home in Southmoor, Oxfordshire, during a police search after his death and later planted at the scene.

He tells in his book how he was contacted by "informants" during his "journey into the unknown".

One is alleged to have told him Dr Kelly's death had been "a wet operation, a wet disposal".

Mr Baker explains: "Essentially, it seems to refer to an assassination, perhaps carried out in a hurry."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488662/Iraq-whistleblower-Dr-K elly-WAS-murdered-silence-says-MP.html


Quite right. Shameless Campbell was close to the dark heart of this murderous business.
It was his management of the press campaign outing - betraying - Kelly that cleared the way for his demise.
This operation was straight from Chile's Pinochet regime.
It couldn't happen in Britain, could it?

see also
http://dr-david-kelly.blogspot.com/2006/08/wanted-inside-information-o n-dr-kellys.html

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"A suspicious pattern of deaths of prominent microbiologists has emerged around the world, but especially highly-advanced researchers connected with the USA, the UK, Russia, and Israel. Were many of these microbiologists murdered because of what they knew or had discovered?"

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http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4904.shtml

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According to the UK’s Sunday Express, British weapons inspector Dr. David Kelly was writing an expose which would include his work with anthrax. Dr. David Kelly was an expert in biological warfare agents, as well as a former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq.

An excerpt from the newspaper article reads, “He had several discussions with a publisher in Oxford and was seeking advice on how far he could go without breaking the law on secrets.”

Dr David Kelly’s death -- said to have been suicide -- came days after he gave testimony to the House of Commons about a memo which purported that Britain had “sexed up” a dossier on Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction.

The allegations of a potential Kelly expose come from a new film about biological weapons being debuted in London on the sixth anniversary of Dr. Kelly’s death, titled “Anthrax War.” The documentary was shown earlier this year on Canadian public television.

A suspicious pattern of deaths of prominent microbiologists has emerged around the world, but especially highly-advanced researchers connected with the USA, the UK, Russia, and Israel. Were many of these microbiologists murdered because of what they knew or had discovered?

The following quote is taken from ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses‘ the leading policy “white paper” of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), which essentially dictated the Bush regime’s “defense” policies from early 2001: “ . . . advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.” See page 90 for the participants credited with this document.

Dr. David Kelly was head of microbiology at Porton Down and worked with two American scientists, Benito Que, 52, and Don Wiley, 57. Both Que and Wiley had been engaged in DNA sequencing that could provide a genetic marker based on genetic profiling. Google ‘Genome specific biological warfare.’

In November 2001, Benito Que left his laboratory after receiving a telephone call. Shortly afterward he was found comatose in the parking lot of the Miami Medical School. He died without regaining consciousness. Police said he had suffered a heart attack. His family insisted he had been in perfect health and claimed four men attacked him. Later, however, the family inquest returned a verdict of death by natural causes.

There are some unanswered questions about Benito Que’s death.

Who was the caller who caused Benito Que to leave his lab? What attempts did the police make to track the four alleged attackers -- after police admitted that Que was the “probable” victim of an attempt to steal his car? What happened to Que’s sensitive research into DNA sequencing? How close were Que’s connections to Dr. David Kelly?

Also in November 2001, a few days after Que died, Don Wiley, one of the foremost microbiologists in the United States, disappeared off a bridge spanning the Mississippi River in Memphis, Tennessee. He had recently left a banquet for fellow researchers in Memphis. Weeks later, Wiley’s body was found 300 miles down river. As with Que, his family said he was in perfect health. There was no autopsy. The local medical examiner returned a verdict of accidental death. It was suggested that Don Wiley had a dizzy spell and fell off the bridge.

Why did Wiley park his car on the bridge? Why did he leave the keys in the ignition and his lights on? Why did Wiley drive to the bridge when his father’s house, where Wiley was staying, was in the opposite direction, and just a few miles away? What happened to Wiley’s research into DNA sequencing? How close were Wiley’s connections to Dr. David Kelly?

Also in November 2001, another microbiologist, Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, was found dead. Dr. David Kelly, as head of microbiology at Porton Down, played a key role in debriefing Pasechnik when he fled from Russia to Britain in 1989. Kelly also helped Pasechnik create Regma Biotechnologies. Regma was allowed to set up a laboratory in Porton Down.

Research at Porton Down is classified as top secret. In August 2002, Regma Biotechnologies obtained a contract with the U.S. Navy for “the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax.”

It’s a rather strange coincidence that Regma biotechnologies commenced a three-year tenancy at Porton Down on 17 July 2000 and Dr. David Kelly died three years later on 18 July 2003.

The Times obituary for Dr. Pasechnik, said, “The defection to Britain in 1989 of Vladimir Pasechnik revealed to the West for the first time the colossal scale of the Soviet Union’s clandestine biological warfare programme. His revelations about the scale of the Soviet Union’s production of such biological agents as anthrax, plague, tularaemia and smallpox provided an inside account of one of the best kept secrets of the Cold War. After his defection he worked for ten years at the U.K. Department of Health’s Centre for Applied Microbiology Research before forming his own company, Regma Biotechnics, to work on therapies for cancer, neurological diseases, tuberculosis and other infectious diseases. In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the disposal of the Government, in the light of the threat from bioterrorism.”

On December 14, 2001, Set Van Nguyen, a microbiologist, was killed at an animal diseases facility in Geelong, Australia. The lab had recently been featured in the journal Nature for its work in genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing. Scientists there had created a virulent form of mousepox. “They realized that if similar genetic manipulation was carried out on smallpox, an unstoppable killer could be unleashed.”

A statement from police, published in the Geelong Advertiser, said that Set Van Nguyen, 44, “appeared to have died after entering an airlock into a storage laboratory filled with nitrogen. His body was found when his wife became worried after he failed to return from work. He was killed after entering a low temperature storage area where biological samples were kept. He did not know the room was full of deadly gas which had leaked from a liquid nitrogen cooling system. Unable to breathe, Mr. Nguyen collapsed and died.”

Details of the coroner’s report into the death of Set Van Nguyen were published in 2007.

Not long before Set Van Nguyen was killed, a Manhattan hospital worker, aged 61, died after inhaling anthrax. The name of the hospital worker was Kathy Nguyen.

It is also worth mentioning that there is now a prime intelligence focus on the use of a sophisticated computer program, Promis, that was stolen from the Washington company that created it, Inslaw. After Promis was stolen, Inslaw’s president, Bill Hamilton, said “The theft of our software would give any country a flying start in keeping track of just about anybody’s work. It is capable of integrating a wide number of data bases.”

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Russia Today (18 July 2009):

A team of eight UK medical experts say that Dr David Kelly, a leading weapons inspector who was at the centre of a row about why Britain went to war in Iraq, was unlikely to have committed suicide.


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Did MI5 kill Dr David Kelly?

Just another crazy conspiracy theory? But, amid claims he wrote tell-all book that vanished after his death, it's one that refuses to go away

By Sue Reid
Last updated at 2:08 PM on 27th July 2009
Daily Mail

[David Kelly’s] book would have been hugely contentious... but it has now come to light that there may be another compelling reason why Dr Kelly might have been murdered.

Amazingly, 12 other well-known micro-biologists linked with germ warfare research have died in the past decade, five of them Russians investigating claims that the Israelis were working on viruses to target Arabs.

The Russian plane in which they were travelling from Tel Aviv to Siberia was shot down on October 2001 over the Black Sea by an 'off-course' Ukrainian surface-to-air missile. Dr Kelly knew the victims and asked MI6 to find out more details. However, they drew a blank.

Five weeks later, Dr Benito Que, a cell biologist known to Dr Kelly, was found in a coma near his Miami laboratory. The infectious diseases expert had been investigating how a virus like HIV could be genetically engineered into a biological weapon.
Dr Que, 52, was found unconscious outside in the car park of his lab and died in hospital. Officially, he suffered a heart attack - although his family say he was struck on the head. Police refused to re-open the case.

Ten days after Dr Que's death, another friend of Dr Kelly died. Dr Don Wiley, 57, one of America's foremost microbiologists, had a U.S. Government contract to create a vaccine against the killer Ebola fever and other so-called doomsday germs. His rental car was found abandoned on a bridge across the Mississippi. The keys were in the ignition and the petrol tank full. There had been no crash, but Dr Wiley had disappeared. The FBI visited Wiley's laboratory and removed most of his work. A month later his body was found 300 miles downstream, with evidence of severe head injuries. No forensic examination was performed and his death was ruled 'accidental'.

The most mysterious death of them all happened to Dr Vladimir Pasechnik - a Soviet defector Dr Kelly knew well... He seemed healthy when he left work on the night of November 21, 2001. Returning home, the 64-year-old cooked supper and went to sleep. He was found dead in bed the next day. Officially, the reason given was a stroke. However the Wiltshire police later said his demise was 'inexplicable'.

It is against this extraordinary background of highly suspicious deaths that Dr Kelly's own death occurred. As we know, an inquest on his body was ruled out by Oxfordshire's coroner, a highly unusual move.


On the day he died, Janice has confirmed her husband was a distressed man. Dr Kelly lunched with her, before going out for a walk on Harrowdown Hill at 3.30pm. It was a walk he made regularly at the same time of day - something anyone watching his movements would have been well aware of.

That day, events were already in motion elsewhere. An hour before, at 2.30pm, a senior policeman sat down at his computer at Thames Valley Police headquarters in Oxfordshire. He began to create a restricted file on his secure computer. Across the top he typed a code name: Operation Mason. Although its contents have never been made public, it would detail the overnight search for Dr Kelly. Incredibly, he created this file an hour before the scientist even left home. After Dr Kelly's corpse was found at 8.30am by the volunteer searchers, the senior policeman made his last Operation Mason entry. It simply states: '9.00am. 18.07.03. Body recovered'.

Most intriguingly, at 8am, half an hour before Dr Kelly's body was discovered under the tree, three officers in dark suits from MI5's Technical Assessment Unit were at his house. The computers and the hard-disk containing the 40,000 words of the explosive book were carried away. They have never been seen since.

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