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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Without good organisation we are lost Reply with quote

It’s time for decent people to organise!

By Justin Walker on behalf of the UK Whole Truth Coalition (www.wholetruthcoalition.org)


You’ve been rumbled Mr Davis ...

David Icke’s recent participation in the Haltemprice and Howden 'Big Brother' by-election has exposed just what is really going on behind the scenes as regards the tiptoe advancement of the Hidden Global Elite (sometimes referred to as the Illuminati or the New World Order) and their fascist agenda for the UK and, indeed, the rest of the world.

Throughout the election campaign, which David Davis tells us he called in order to stimulate an open and honest discussion about the emerging ‘Big Brother’ state, Davis refused to debate in any sort of way with David Icke and even prevented him physically from attending a public meeting where he a nd Bob Geldof were speaking. In fact, no-one was allowed to debate publicly with him during his carefully controlled campaign - Shan Oakes, the Green Party candidate, was even prevented by a Davis’ campaign team member from attending the public meeting that was addressed by Shami Chakrabarti of ‘Liberty’.

However, the truth about what was really going on had already started to emerge. Working on information provided by truth researcher Andrew Cheetham, David Icke had learned that the Davis campaign was being supported by MPs and organisations which have direct links with leading Neo-conservatives in America along with dubious ‘security’ companies which benefit directly and financially from the existence of a totalitarian ‘Big Brother’ state.

But equally worrying was the information that came to light during the campaign concerning the current director of the British civil liberties group ‘Liberty’, the aforementioned Shami Chakrabarti CBE. Her direct involvement at a senior level with the British-American Project (partly supported by GM foods giant Monsanto) and the Ditchley Foundation (of which she is a Governor), casts very real doubts about her professional commitment to open transparent government and protecting our civil liberties. Both of these organisations, or ‘think tanks’ as they like to be called, are considered by researchers to be mini-Bilderberg groups, especially as discussions that take place amongst the influential participants are considered very private and non-attributable.

Click on these f ollowing links get the full picture about what really happened in this by-election and the questions that David Davis refuses to answer:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14409/82/
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14515/82/

The only sensible conclusion you can arrive at from what happened during this campaign is that David Davis is a fraud and that this whole ‘civil liberties’ campaign supported by the Conservative Party elite is nothing more than a scam and a sham to hoodwink a gullible electorate into believing that David Cameron can be trusted to look after our civil liberties for when the British people put him into Number Ten with a decisive majority, as seems very likely at the moment. As far as the Hidden Global Elite are concerned, just as they had with their fast-tracked puppet Tony Blair, they will have their man in place to ensure that no-one gets in th e way to slow down or stop their ‘Big Brother' agenda - especially when engineered events and ‘false-flag’ attacks are carried out to speed things along.

Very rarely has a leading political figure been exposed in such a damaging and decisive way in so short a period of time. And the excellent news is that there is now a Hull Truth Group forming which has the avowed intention of getting this information out to Davis' unsuspecting constituents who have absolutely no idea as to how they have been duped in this by-election.

But what is happening in Hull must now start to happen in all parts of the UK, especially as the Hidden Global Elite, aided and abetted by their puppets and 'useful idiots' in Parliament, are moving into the home straight with much of their criminal agenda well out in front. The simple truth is that ordinary decent people must organise - and organise fast to end this gathering nightmare!


Our MPs .....

All MPs have been emailed, sent and given personally information that proves that the official account of 9/11 does not stand up to any sort of close scrutiny. Even when they are told that the Laws of Physics have to be suspended to ensure that the official narrative makes any sort of sense, they do and say nothing. My own MP, the Liberal Democrat Tim Farron, an otherwise excellent constituency MP, told me outside his constituency office in Kenda l that he had a real problem believing the official account of 9/11 after the evidence we had shown him, but in the three years he has been aware of this evidence he has never once voiced his concerns publicly. British troops are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq as a direct result of what happened on 9/11. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed and maimed horribly as a direct result of 9/11. Our civil liberties are being taken away from us as a direct result of 9/11. The War on Terror is utterly bogus. There are huge question marks about what really happened on 7/7. And our MPs, including the outspoken Norman Baker who argues that David Kelly was murdered, say and do NOTHING in public! Just what the hell is going on?

And when it comes to the advance of the European Superstate, the situation is hardly any better. Yes, there are EU sceptics amongst our MPs on both sides of the House, but they will not look at the BIG PICTURE. For example, George Osborne, the Shadow Chancellor, has now attended three consecutive Bilderberg Group meetings (the latest of which even discussed the microchipping of Americans under the pretext of fighting terrorism) but nobody has ever seriously challenged him inside the House of Commons about his involvement with this extremely secretive, undemocratic and sinister group that can affect global economies and start wars. All MPs have had concrete proof sent to them about the existence of unelected, unaccountable and extremely secretive int ernational networking organisations made up of powerful and influential people, but they prefer to look the other way and let democracy suffer.

The simple truth for Britain is that our freedoms and our abilities to decide our own destinies are being taken away from us and handed over to the unelected and largely unaccountable European Commission, whilst our civil liberties are disappearing as we allow ourselves to be deceived by criminal 'false-flag' terrorist attacks and the resulting bogus War on Terror. And we haven't even begun to look at the man-made Global Warming scam which is being used to tax us more and to control our everyday lives whilst attempting to plant more fear into all of us. Nor the suppressed ‘free’ energy technologies (Tesla and the like) or medical breakthroughs based around the biophysics of medicine that would benefit all of humanity. Nor even have we mentioned the effects of the infamous EU-backed Codex Alimentarius that will destroy organic farming and the Natural Health Care Industry.

The bottom line is that there is evidence that would stand up in any properly conducted Court of Law that there is a Global Conspiracy being carried out by a tiny powerful minority to sentence the decent, peace-loving peoples of this world to an Orwellian nightmare ... and our elected representatives, our servants when all is said and done, are doing nothing, absolutely nothing about it. But with your help, this is al l about to change!


Local Truth Groups ...

What is happening in Hull must be replicated all over the country in a very short period of time . There are already many localised groupings of enlightened people who can see the ‘Big Picture’ and who meet regularly to discuss how to stand up to this growing nightmare of a situation. What is being proposed here will not only complement all the good work that is currently going on, but will give the British truth movement as a whole a much sharper focus to work with. The most important thing is that whatever we do, we must not be hierarchical in our structure or thinking – if you have leaders and a pyramid command structure, you can be controlled by the Hidden Global Elite through their puppets and useful idiots ... just as our MPs are. We must all do our own thing locally, backed up with support, encouragement, information and guidance from key websites such www. wholetruthcoalition.org, http://www.truthforum.co.uk and www.davidicke.com.

Certainly, it is the intention of those of us who are behind the UK Whole Truth Coalition that we simply act as an information clearing house with no control whatsoever over local groups. Where a group would like support for an event or action they are doing, then we would, using our considerable network of like-minded people, put the word out for that support and would help to co-ordinate the response, if that is helpful to the group concerned.

Local Truth Groups must spring up quickly in every city, town and community in the country. They must pursue their elected representatives (MPs MEPs, MSPs, Members of the Welsh Assembly and local councillors) with the clear evidence that there is a Hidden Global Elite operating to worsen considerably the overall human condition. They must challenge and expose those senior elected representatives of our political establishment who are either actively involved with or knowingly compliant to the Hidden Global Elite. Those found with a case to answer must be brought to justice through the British courts for their treasonous and, in some cases, murderous acts.


Actual setting up of a Truth Group....

If you would like to set up a Truth Group in your area , or you have something similar already set up, please contact us at jrgwalker@aol.com and b.mckenzie@btinternet.com. Using our comprehensive network of contacts we will see if we can locate other like-minded people close to you to build up your numbers. For those starting out with just themselves or a friend and having never done anything like this before, here are just a few tips which you may find useful:

1. Have fun! The best way to get an active and effective group together is for everyone to become good friends. For your first meeting, consider hosting a small food and drinks party at your home and just have a great time getting to know each other. People who laugh and have fun show no fear ....and it is the absence of fear that will turn you into an effective truth campaigner. Indeed, your positive and fearless attitude will put real fear into the guilty parties that you are seeking to expose.

2. Agree to meet at least twice a month and don’t get bogged down in formalities - take very brief minutes of the meetings to remind yourselves of the tasks that need doing but keep the meetings lighthearted with a minimum amount of formal 'Chairing'. Find out the strengths of the people attending the meeting and encourage them all to get involved. All truthseekers have particular areas of interest - try and ensure that no one person dominates the meeting with their own area of expertis e.

3. Set yourself the initial task of a basic political audit of the geographical area that you wish to cover. Check out the parliamentary constituency or constituencies in your area and who are the MPs. Find out who your MEP is and, if you are in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, who your other elected representatives are. Check out your local council to see which Party is in overall control, if any, and who are the key council officers and officials serving the councillors.

4. Using the internet, check the profile and voting behaviour of your MP. A useful resource is Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia - just feed your MP’s name into a search engine and you will find the relevant page. It is a good idea that you all task yourselves with finding out as much as you can about your political representatives, and then meet up to swap notes and so build up consensus profiles that you can work with.

5. On the crucial issues already outlined above, prepare very polite letters to ask your representatives for their views. Monitor carefully their replies and please send copies to myself at jrgwalker@aol.com and b.mckenzie@btinternet.com so that we at the Whole Truth Coalition can build up an overall picture of how our MPs are reacting to the growing UK truth movement

6. Find out when your MP holds his or her surgery and go along - the ideal number is for three of you to go, t wo to politely ask the questions, the third to film the meeting with a camcorder. If the MP objects to being filmed and being put on record, make sure you film his or her objections - we at www.wholetruthcoalition.org. will put it up on YouTube for the world to see!

7. Find out if any senior members of your MP’s political party are visiting your area - if they are, be ready to ambush them nicely with carefully prepared and polite questions, again filming this questioning for posterity. Entertaining or revealing responses will again be given a much wider airing with our help.

8. Also, make contact with other similar campaigns in your area and again swap notes and so exert even more pressure on your elected representatives.

9. Contact your local newspapers and radio stations and brief them fully about your concerns. Suggest they do a feature on the grassroots truth movement spreading throughout your area and indeed the country. Take part in 'phone-ins' and make sure the 'gatekeepers' at the BBC have a hard time.

10. Thoroughly investigate organisations which would appear to be advancing the Hidden Global Elite's agenda using stealth and deceit, especially the bogus 'training' charity 'Common Purpose' and the new 'green' grassroots organisation 'Transition Towns'.


Conclusion .....

We have reached a very crucial time in our battle with the Hidden Global Elite. The prison gate is starting to close with most of the inmates totally oblivious to what's coming. The proverbial 'Middle England' Daily Mail readers can see a large number of the dots (people being fined for putting out their wheelie bins too early etc. etc. etc.) but very few of them, as yet, are joining the dots to see the 'Big Picture'. The David Davis by-election fiasco has proved just how important it is that we target the 'chosen one', David Cameron, and so expose his future role in overseeing the final stage in taking Britain into the Orwellian nightmare of a Global Fascist Government. All politicians must now become answerable to their criminal inaction but the Conservatives, in particular, must be prevented from having a massive landslide at the next General Election - we all know what has been ‘achieved’ by the last young and charismatic Prime Minister with a huge majority! And we must also expect another massive 9/11 style 'false flag' attack to speed up this global agenda.

So please get involved ... we have all the evidence we need, we now just have to get it out to the decent people for them to rise up in ‘lawful rebellion’ to derail this oncoming nightmare. If you need further prompting, have a look at these two short but inspirational videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVyQ1PCNlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbk8XKcaM_Y

Justin Walker (jrgwalker@aol.com)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About those videos, especially http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVyQ1PCNlA

It is true that thoughts have some effect on a quantum level but people can take this too far. Simply believing that the world is OK will not make it so. We need to know the wrong, before we can make things right. Then if we know that things are wrong, how can we believe otherwise? Sorry, blind faith will not save the world, it needs action.

There's often the misconception that "it can't happen to me" but sometimes the unexpected does. How many people have been victims of crime when they didn't expect it? I'm not saying that what we think doesn't sometimes have an observable effect but if what we believe always had profound effects, there would be few crimes, few accidents and few people getting hurt.

Many years ago I was religious and the whole congregation prayed for a woman with cancer. Several of us laid our hands on her and we felt energy like electricity go into her. We were 100% convinced that she was cured!

A few weeks later she died.

Then they told me that it must have been because her lack of faith! I was left wondering, in the light of our faith, how it went wrong....


When the media fills peoples' minds with scenes of violence it does have an effect but there's no real mystery in that.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John wrote:
"Many years ago I was religious and the whole congregation prayed for a woman with cancer. Several of us laid our hands on her and we felt energy like electricity go into her. We were 100% convinced that she was cured! "



In the first century A.D. Simon (the Sorcerer) Pater (NOT Peter) stole the name christian, mixed it with the Babylonian Mystery religion and formed a new religion called christianity, that teaches the opposite of what Christ taught,

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8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
8:18 And when Simon (Simon Pater NOT Simon Peter Cephas)saw that through laying on of the Apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Spirit.
8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, let's leave the quantum physics and religion for other threads - this is about organising the truth movement into effective Truth Groups all over the country and tackling the politicians head on and nailing them with their lies and deliberate inactivity on camera. We have very little time left - let's get on and ORGANISE OURSELVES EFFECTIVELY. Millions of decent people need us to connect the dots for them and so wake them up!!!

Belinda and I want emails from people who are prepared to get off their backsides to spend a little time getting a proper network off the ground. If you already have a Truth Group of some description, please let us know.

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Justin wrote:
Please, let's leave the quantum physics and religion for other threads - this is about organising the truth movement into effective Truth Groups all over the country and tackling the politicians head on and nailing them with their lies and deliberate inactivity on camera. We have very little time left - let's get on and ORGANISE OURSELVES EFFECTIVELY. Millions of decent people need us to connect the dots for them and so wake them up!!!

Belinda and I want emails from people who are prepared to get off their backsides to spend a little time getting a proper network off the ground. If you already have a Truth Group of some description, please let us know.

Thanks

Justin
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Dear Justin.

I apologise, it was just to show what a nuisance “truthseeker john” has become, and he is not here to learn the truth or help us.

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Please don’t confuse religion with the Bible; this is about some of the Real Law’s and about understanding them correctly.

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Here in Britain, yes we do need massive overwhelming support but when people have connected the dots then what?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin wrote:
Please, let's leave the quantum physics and religion for other threads - this is about organising the truth movement into effective Truth Groups all over the country and tackling the politicians head on and nailing them with their lies and deliberate inactivity on camera. We have very little time left - let's get on and ORGANISE OURSELVES EFFECTIVELY. Millions of decent people need us to connect the dots for them and so wake them up!!!


Justin, That’s what I am saying!

Justin wrote:
So please get involved ... we have all the evidence we need, we now just have to get it out to the decent people for them to rise up in ‘lawful rebellion’ to derail this oncoming nightmare. If you need further prompting, have a look at these two short but inspirational videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVyQ1PCNlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbk8XKcaM_Y

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So what is this video you recommend, if it's not about quantum physics and belief/religion then?


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The point is that not everyone is into religion and New Age stuff and we need all the help we can get. It is yourself who is referring to quantum physics and religion - as can be clearly seen by the videos you recommend. By contrast, I am saying it needs action not just belief or wishful thinking. I am trying to present a balanced view.

John wrote:
Simply believing that the world is OK will not make it so. ..... Sorry, blind faith will not save the world, it needs action.

Apparently you speed-read instead of trying to understand what people have said.

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Dear Justin.

I apologise, it was just to show what a nuisance “truthseeker john” has become, and he is not here to learn the truth or help us.

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Andrew, no-one knows the whole truth about everything but from early childhood truth has been my main concern. For this I got bullied at school but I still wouldn't try to be popular and blindly follow the crowd - I still don't try to be popular (or follow the crowd) today.

After I had finished school, I privately studied theology (amongst other things) and deeply thought about things and for around 30 years (I am now 60) I read my bible for hours almost every day in my search for truth. I thought I had found it but it came as a real disappointment, when I started to realise that much in religion is not true (and much in the bible isn't true) and truth matters to me a lot, it always has.

On a metaphysical level the truth is (in a sense) inside us but religion has us looking elsewhere while people quote from a holy book, pray or expect someone in the sky to help them. Now however, we have the New Age movement with lots of people believing that all they have to do is believe to make it come true. Belief only has some effect and one cannot save the world through belief alone. It needs action.

I am by no means saying that there isn't a First-cause but the Creator is not what many people suppose and if we are truth seekers, we become honest with ourselves and tackle the make-believe. We can believe that the earth is flat as many people did at one time but that does not make the earth flat. Most people believed the official 9/11 story and it's likely that most people still do - but that does not make the official 9/11 story true. It's the same with religion, the Truth isn't always what we want to believe.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truthseeker John, I apologise if I misunderstood you but the time for deep contemplation about 'creation' must be suspended, the time for practical action to stop the prison gate from shutting, with all of us on the inside, is NOW.

I see you are from Yorkshire....are you up for starting or becoming active in a Truth Group, if you are not already a part of one.

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Truthseeker John, I apologise if I misunderstood you but the time for deep contemplation about 'creation' must be suspended, the time for practical action to stop the prison gate from shutting, with all of us on the inside, is NOW.

I see you are from Yorkshire....are you up for starting or becoming active in a Truth Group, if you are not already a part of one.

Best wishes

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Thanks Justine, I would love to be able to do that but I’ve got ME/CFS which can make me extremely tired (and very forgetful) and I don’t think I would be reliable enough. I would love to be able to help that way but just writing stuff on here sometimes wares me out for days! My ‘personal life’ has come to a standstill because of 9/11 and it was a rude awakening to discover how bad the world is. I cried and cried but then realised that that’s not helping, so went to every antiwar demo I could and also stood outside the town hall giving out leaflets… I was good at that! But now, going into town and doing such things would knacker me for days, or even weeks! So instead I concentrate on the internet and do the best I can to awaken people to what is really going on. If I can help I will and there certainly is a need in my city, where most people are not interested or they have a political party agenda.
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Justin wrote:
"So please get involved ... we have all the evidence we need, we now just have to get it out to the decent people for them to rise up in ‘lawful rebellion’ to derail this oncoming nightmare. If you need further prompting, have a look at these two short but inspirational videos:"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVyQ1PCNlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbk8XKcaM_Y


Justin what is a lawful rebellion please.? I’ve watched a part of the first video (streaming problem), so if I believe what exactly, this will make it go away.?




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For loosed till dawn are we.
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Talon and tush and claw.
Oh, hear the call!--Good hunting all
That keep the Jungle Law!
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I am doing this in my area on my own (or with IanFantom in Newbury) and I am struggling to motivate myself.
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Justin what is a lawful rebellion please.? I’ve watched a part of the first video (streaming problem), so if I believe what exactly, this will make it go away.?


If your government is commiting illegal acts you are lawfully entitled to rebel non-violently to remove that government by whatever peaceful means at your disposal. There are constitutionalists within the broader truth movement (attempting to stop the EU bandwagon) working on this. As regards making your own reality and breaking away from concensus reality, get hold of and read David Icke's latest book which explains it all very well (and look at the link below).....advanced quantum physics is mind blowing stuff and knocks most of conventional science that we are taught at school and university into the dustbin. I'm just grateful I was thick at school when it came to the sciences and my head wasn't filled with conventional nonsense that I would then spend my life defending like some people do on this forum when they have been though the advanced education system and think they know it all. Wisdom, as they say, is knowing how little you know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5ASd2W-v9Y&feature=related

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If your government is commiting illegal acts you are lawfully entitled to rebel non-violently to remove that government by whatever peaceful means at your disposal.

No thats not the Law at all. Thats the so called law dictaded by them.
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As regards making your own reality and breaking away from concensus reality, get hold of and read David Icke's latest book which explains it all very well (and look at the link below).....advanced quantum physics is mind blowing stuff and knocks most of conventional science that we are taught at school and university into the dustbin. I'm just grateful I was thick at school when it came to the sciences and my head wasn't filled with conventional nonsense….

Just because something is written in a book it doesn't make it right. Ike is right about some things but about other things he’s not right. I don’t understand a great deal about ‘advanced quantum physics’ and apparently neither does David Ike. The New Age movement is basing itself on things that are half true, taken out of context, or simply untrue and the sheep blindly follow.

If you dare look into it you will find that the New Age stuff is part of the NWO conspiracy. You can take my word for it or David Ike’s word and I can see you will likely favour Ike, but if we want to get things done it would be wise to not promote ‘New Age’ or David Ike.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin, you have a link to this also which is very misleading.


http://www.ianrcrane.co.uk/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=20
Only low-potency, “me too” supplements available that will do
nothing for your health.
All or most foods genetically-modified.
Beneficial supplements unavailable or sold by prescription only.


I’ll take it to another thread but Ian’s missed something very important here.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew. wrote:
Justin, you have a link to this also which is very misleading.


http://www.ianrcrane.co.uk/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=20

Don't think I agree with you on that.

Goodnight..

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ascorbic Acid Is Not Vitamin C
This will be a short chapter, but after you're finished with it, you will know more about vitamins than 95% of clinical nutritionists, doctors, supplement sales force, or bodybuilders. If that sounds arrogant or overstated, it really isn't my fault. I'm just a messenger; a purveyor of information. Either I'm right or the 95% are right; can't be both.

Without further ado, here's the kernel: ascorbic acid is not vitamin C. Alpha tocopherol is not vitamin E. Retinoic acid is not vitamin A. And so on through the other vitamins. Vast sums of money have been expended to make these myths part of Conventional Wisdom. If you have several college degrees and all this is news to you, don't feel bad. Unless you think your education ended at Commencement. Which is generally true.

WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS

Vitamins are not individual molecular compounds. Vitamins are biological complexes. They are multi-step biochemical interactions whose action is dependent upon a number of variables within the biological terrain. Vitamin activity only takes place when all conditions are met within that environment, and when all co-factors and components of the entire vitamin complex are present and working together. Vitamin activity is even more than the sum of all those parts; it also involves timing.

Vitamins cannot be isolated from their complexes and still perform their specific life functions within the cells. When isolated into artificial commercial forms, like ascorbic acid, these purified synthetics act as drugs in the body. They are no longer vitamins, and to call them such is inaccurate.

A vitamin is

" a working process consisting of the nutrient, enzymes, coenzymes, antioxidants, and trace minerals activators."

- Royal Lee "What Is a Vitamin?" Applied Trophology Aug 1956


http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/vitaminC/Ascorbic-Acid-Is-Not-Vitamin-C .shtml

Ascorbic acid is just the antioxidant outer shell ? the protector of all these other synergists so that they will be able to perform their individual functions.

And will block up take of real vitamins.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew (with a stupid full stop)

you are wasting everyone's time with such pedantry

you are now a critic


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If your government is commiting illegal acts you are lawfully entitled to rebel non-violently to remove that government by whatever peaceful means at your disposal.

No thats not the Law at all. Thats the so called law dictaded by them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Andrew (with a stupid full stop)

you are wasting everyone's time with such pedantry

you are now a critic


Andrew. wrote:
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If your government is commiting illegal acts you are lawfully entitled to rebel non-violently to remove that government by whatever peaceful means at your disposal.

No thats not the Law at all. Thats the so called law dictaded by them.



People have a God given right to self defence Tony
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great initiative Justin - good to see some people getting their backsides into gear!

A global political shift is taking place as people begin to see the lies and the liars.

Though the videos are rather patronising......

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tony for your support.

I can also assure you, Truthseeker John, that David is extremely critical of 'The New Age' movement and agrees with you that it is part of the Matrix Programme of control. However, I don't just follow David blindly - I've known the guy for over twenty years as a good but critical friend and I have to say in all honesty that I have yet to prove him wrong on any of the main themes or to find fault with any of the details he has exposed. As I know from the recent by-election, he does his research extremely thoroughly before he puts pen to paper.

Andrew, Ian Crane is one of the best Truth researchers in the country and has done us a huge service by exposing Codex Alimentarius. If you haven't already done so, go to one of his talks.

As Tony implies, being super critical about things and we get nowhere. I'm not perfect nor have I got everything right.......but I know I'm going in the right direction. And that's what is important.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If your government is commiting illegal acts you are lawfully entitled to rebel non-violently to remove that government by whatever peaceful means at your disposal.


This is joke. Double speak garbage. If you believe this they won. Who created the law of entitlement?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin wrote
"Andrew, Ian Crane is one of the best Truth researchers in the country and has done us a huge service by exposing Codex Alimentarius. If you haven't already done so, go to one of his talks.
As Tony implies, being super critical about things and we get nowhere. I'm not perfect nor have I got everything right.......but I know I'm going in the right direction. And that's what is important."


Yes I know he has done research and a lot of work, but we all have to take constructive criticism and keep looking (a truth critic) so for me to be rediculed and now called a truth critic is double speak. It is possible (fact) that the vitamin supplement industry is/can be used as a Trojan horse on this issue. And I’m saying that Ian may not be aware of it and being used to push a wrong message.

Justin I’m not being personal but as you know, we have to have broad enough shoulders to take criticism. And thanks for waking people up to what’s going on Justin
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Codex Alimentarius Reply with quote

Hi Andrew,

I assume that before you start to 'split hairs' with my Codex presentation, you will have the common decency to watch it all the way through?

For the record, since my Codex presentation has been uploaded on to both YouTube and Google Video, it has been reviewed by both John Hammell of the International Advocates for Health Freedom and Scott Tips President of The National Health Federation - both of whom have acknowledged the accuracy of the Codex related content.

Just a few days ago John Hammell wrote: 'Ian, I just watched all 9 segments of your presentation on You Tube and also listened to the audio from a radio broadcast that you did, and I want to thank you for the very good work you've been doing to raise awareness of this complex issue.'


As for 'being used' to push any particular agenda, Andrew, you of all people should be aware that I value my ability to remain independent. As it states on my website, 'Ian is an independent researcher; he is completely self-funded. The views expressed in his talks and DVD's are based entirely upon his personal knowledge and research.'

My presentations are updated on a continuous basis. Last Friday, I recorded a new DVD presentation titled, 'Bio-Spiritual Warfare - Humanity Under Attack'. This DVD will be available in early September and will be followed up with, 'Psycho-Spiritual Warfare - Battle for Freedom'

While some elements of the Truth Movement are kept bogged down in the debate as to what did or didn't occur on September 11th 2001, those who believe themselves to be the rightful rulers of this Global Fiefdom are working to advance their agenda exponentially.

One-dimensional 'Truth Activism' is like debating whether England would have won the 1986 World Cup if the Referee had seen Maradona's handball. We know Maradonna handled the ball (the photographic evidence is conclusive), just like we know that the physical evidence does not support the official account of 9/11 ... but is imperative that we move on and keep pace with the game.

As far as the NWO agenda is concerned, 9/11 may have served to awaken thousands (or maybe even millions) of people to the 'Big Lie' but it also serves to keep their eye 'off the ball' as to what is occuring and on-going in the deeper geo-political arena.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Ian,

''Only low-potency, “me too” supplements available that will do
nothing for your health.''

'' Beneficial supplements unavailable or sold by prescription only.''

What I'm saying Ian, from this direct quote is that there is no such thing as beneficial supplements or high potency supplements [pharmaceuticals] If it has been updated then fine, which this direct quote would suggest otherwise. I didn't know if you knew this, so as to at least inform people so they could decide for themselves.Could you please show us where this is explained in your work as I know you have done a lot of work and i appreciate it but am unable to find it.

Thank-you Ian for all your hard work.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Codex Alimentarius & Food Supplements Reply with quote

Hi Andrew,

these quotations are taken directly from this document, produced by the National Health Federation.

Which you would have known, had you watched the first 60 secs of my Codex presentation

Andrew, I readily accept that I am not a pharmacolgist or nutritionist, neither do I practice complementary or alternative health care. Consequently, I am reliant on those who are specialists in these area for many specifics.

I am however horrified at the total lack of awareness regarding the pernicious Codex agenda. The Club of Rome creation known as the Codex Alimentarius Commission is creating the template for implementing global legislation.

The ultimate objective of the NWO/corporate driven Codex Alimentarius agenda is to keep the population dumbed down and docile by feeding them sh*te and getting them addicted to pharmaceuticals. Big Pharma sees each Human lifeform as nothing more than a potential revenue stream 'From Concep$ion to D£ath'

If you want to argue semantics, I would suggest that you take the issue up directly with Dr. Robert Verkerk, Chief Executive of the Alliance for Natural Health and Scientific Advisor to the National Health Federation NGO with observer status on the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses (CCNFSDU).

There is a plethora of information on the subject but as I state in the presentation, it is imperative that people do their own research. However, you may wish to start here.

Meanwhile, I had expected rather more of you Andrew!

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PS. You're not working with Rima & Burt ... are you?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

''If you want to argue semantics,''

So we should tell some of the truth but not necessarily all of it.?

And you say

Meanwhile, I had expected rather more of you Andrew!

I'm not being personal Ian, just searching for the truth all of it, as I think its important.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Codex Alimentarius & Food Supplements_2 Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:

'So we should tell some of the truth but not necessarily all of it?'

I don't profess to 'tell' anyone the 'truth' ... the onus is on each and every one of us to find 'the truth' for themselves. I would never claim to do any more than sow seeds (no pun intended!) for people to follow up for themselves.

Anyway, enough of this ... watch the video and take a look at the Codex big picture... then come back and tell me if you still think I might be pushing someone else's agenda.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian I am unable to watch the video at the moment.

So anyway I asked if you were aware of the point I made. To which you could have simply replied yes that particular point is covered but thank-you anyway or no I wasn't aware of it and said as I'm into searching for information on this subject I'll take a look into it and what information do you have. And I'm not saying that you are pushing any agenda but that it is being used by big pharma to get people to accept supplements by reverse psychology. Not forgetting the bigger issue of say for example terminator seeds and the suicide of farmers held to ransom and also the GM poisoning of our staple food crops that has been going on for years and is already here, with the same people that manufacture GM products with influence in the manufacturing of these supplements also for many years.
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